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always connected Windows Vista mobile computer.

HTC PHONE
i think i seen that phone on Easydevices website, called the Advantage, although i think it runs Mobile 5 rather than Vista,
all i know is, ive got mine preordered
http://www.easydevices.co.uk/pp/PDA/HTC/HTC_Advantage_X7500.html

What I dont get is why they are releasing the Advantage with Windows Mobile 5 instead of 6. Easydevices also have the HTC S710 which has Mobile 6.
They should be using Mobile 6.

HTC P9500 (Shangri-La)

I'm not sure who to blame, you guys who didn't notice the title, or insider666 who seems to be .. weird on this introduction with almost nothing to say about it. Anyway if you look at those photos, the unit runs on Windows Vista. Yes, Vista the full PC-class OS, not the strip down mobile Windows Mobile. Also note the Windows key on the keyboard.
Anyway, I'm not sure where did this news come from, but I'm not having luck on google on this. However, both the pics above may have been photoshopped, you never know, until we get a more reliable source

it does look like the HTC advantage, and it does look like its been photoshopped, cause the windows key looks awful bright.
but hey, if it runs vista i'll be impressed but i think it'l be mobile 5 if not 6

here is the rough spec for P9500:
It is a Vista Plus WM 6
7" Screen
40GB HD
VGA for VT
WIFI
HSDAPA,UMTS
GPS
Fingerprint Recognition
Semi-auto Sliding.

insider666 said:
It is a Vista Plus WM 6
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What would the point in that be?
www.seehtc.com
Thats the official Advantage page.
I just hope that the T-Mobile version (T-Mobile Ameo) will be upgradable to WM6, otherwise it will be made obsolete within 3 months of hitting the market.
Oh and the second pic just looks like an early mock up of the I-mate Ultimate 7150.

This is not an HTC advantage, please bear in mind.
It will be out in Q4 2007.
Here is another one, HTC P6550 Sedna (Not P6500 Sirius)
3.5" Screen
3.0 Mega pixel autofocus camera,
fingerprint recognition
credit/smart card reder
support GPS and A-GPS.

insider666 said:
This is not an HTC advantage, please bear in mind.
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That doesnt explain why it will use both Vista and WM6, please explain what the point in using Dual OS's would be along with how these will be partitioned.

i doubt very much it will use both
vista is not likely to be compiled for more platforms then x86-32 and 64
and wm6 is arm based
if it's running vista is will have a pc cpu
and if it have that kinda power it would be easier to emulate wm6 then to put in a arm cpu in the device too

My guess: virtualization of WM to operate HSPDA and GSM phone and data services; that way they don't have to write a phone program for Vista (or maybe MS wants it that way).
This is a space HTC can't ignore considering the popularity of the Sony UX models and the growing buzz around the OQO 02 and its WWAN EV-DO.

I expect the reason for 2 OSes on the one device will be
WM6 for low power requirements & day long operation of Push mail as in the manner that current devices can manage.
Vista for the times that a standard PC app is required at the expense of only being able to run for 3 - 5 hours.
The base Windows CE is available for x86 machines but I expect a dual processor setup to support the low power requirements of WM6 compared to Vista.

IMHO, this super dude is a smart-ass. He seems to be photoshopping the images leaked/released by HTC in this PDF doc.
Folks, take a look at this

Does this mean that HTC is slowly venturing in laptop market?

Universal + WM6 supports HSDPA?

Hi all,
Is it possible for Universal to support HSDPA by upgrading to WM6?
I thought Universal can support HSDPA just like Hermes... My Universal was delivered just 2 weeks ago, and I'm migrating my data from Hermes to Universal just now. After setting up everything, I found this problem...
Any suggestion for this situation?? (I love big screen and useful keyboard that the reason why I changed from Hermes to Universal.)

yasunari said:
Hi all,
Is it possible for Universal to support HSDPA by upgrading to WM6?
I thought Universal can support HSDPA just like Hermes... My Universal was delivered just 2 weeks ago, and I'm migrating my data from Hermes to Universal just now. After setting up everything, I found this problem...
Any suggestion for this situation?? (I love big screen and useful keyboard that the reason why I changed from Hermes to Universal.)
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No, it won't support it ever.

I'm afraid different hardware is required for HSPDA.
Sorry.
Psi

And I'm planning switching to Hermes!
You won't ever have HSDPA with this machine.

The question though is whether you really need HSDPA or now. Apart from using your PPC as a modem you should be on the safe side for most browsing / downloading senarios. The QVGA resolution of the Hermes makes the device a whole lot less usable for many things like web browsing, PDF / Office files (Excel at 320*240 = not fun!) and ebooks. That said the Hermes ain't half bad either of course - I just don't get HTCs policy to not include a VGA screen in such a high end (/ priced) device. Guess it will remain their secret forever...

Falk said:
The question though is whether you really need HSDPA or now. Apart from using your PPC as a modem you should be on the safe side for most browsing / downloading senarios. The QVGA resolution of the Hermes makes the device a whole lot less usable for many things like web browsing, PDF / Office files (Excel at 320*240 = not fun!) and ebooks. That said the Hermes ain't half bad either of course - I just don't get HTCs policy to not include a VGA screen in such a high end (/ priced) device. Guess it will remain their secret forever...
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well there would be no sense in putting a VGA display on (guessing; may be wrong) 2,8" display of Hermes.

Thanks all. I'll return to use Hermes then.
By the way, what is the option for people who need mobile phone with qwerty Keyboard, VGA screen, VM6 and HSDPA??
Another mobile? or Modify universal?!

None at the moment.
Btw, the upside of a QVGA device is the smaller size. And QVGA devices are very much usable with web browsing using Opera Mini.. Not to mention that you won't need a stylus for most QVGA devices now.
But if you do excel sheets a lot. Stick to VGA.

yasunari said:
Thanks all. I'll return to use Hermes then.
By the way, what is the option for people who need mobile phone with qwerty Keyboard, VGA screen, VM6 and HSDPA??
Another mobile? or Modify universal?!
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Maybe this will do:
http://www.glofiish.com/index3.htm?no=m800

Hmmm..... Pity about the RAM. I cannot think why someone would build a new davice with only 64 Meg.

kartam said:
well there would be no sense in putting a VGA display on (guessing; may be wrong) 2,8" display of Hermes.
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Some devices have 840x480 at that screen size. Granted though that it's a bit overkill ;-)

list of vga device
actually device whith vga screen and other high spec aren't legion but in few month :
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=vga
E-TEN Glofiish V900
I-Mate Ultimate 9502
Gigabyte g-Smart i350

New polaris, not that impressed (ex wizard)

Hi , got my new orbit 2 (polaris) the other day and im not that impressed by it as yet.
I came from using my trusty vario(wizard) and it doesnt seem (as yet) much quicker than that.
I know it has built in gps, radio etc. But i cant put me finger on it why it hasnt impressed me much. i played a bit of video on it and it was a bit jumpy, also scroll is a bit iffy.
Can anyone enlighten me as to what it can do and do better than my old phone?
Or what to use to make it a pleasure to use.
Thanks.

Please read the already posted threads relating to your questions...
These questions have been asked and answered several times before, so please use the search tool.

Stu308 said:
Hi , got my new orbit 2 (polaris) the other day and im not that impressed by it as yet.
I came from using my trusty vario(wizard) and it doesnt seem (as yet) much quicker than that.
I know it has built in gps, radio etc. But i cant put me finger on it why it hasnt impressed me much. i played a bit of video on it and it was a bit jumpy, also scroll is a bit iffy.
Can anyone enlighten me as to what it can do and do better than my old phone?
Or what to use to make it a pleasure to use.
Thanks.
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Believe me..it could be one of most impressif pocketphone's out there..but the only problem with this device is that HTC didn't do there homework that good and put this device to soon on the market.
But when the new firmware (with drivers) come's online it will be one of the finest pocketphone's out there at the moment.
The only think for us is to pray that HTC will make the firmware with the drivers, otherwise it will go into be books as a slow and bad preforming device 4-ever and HTC will loose a lot of trusty customers!
But like the other also said..it's being sad in a lot off topics now..so lets use the other threads for the complenning

i agree. i bought mine a week ago. the touch cruise and i am not that impress coming from a tmobile mda aka wizard. i still use my wizard. love it but cruise slow. internet is slow. features are wack. the only good thing is the radio but i dnt listen to radio and tomtom navigation. i live in nyc i use the subway so not that usefull to me. htc better come good or its apple for me.

dortyboy said:
htc better come good or its apple for me.
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This is exactly what I'm thinking...HTC really messed this wicked phone up....Gonna wait for the Xperia or Samsung i900.

You aren't getting drivers for it. You are getting a software patch that helps fix a few things like scrolling and some basic touch screen functionality, nothing to do with video.
unfortunately, if you want to watch movies you have to convert them yourself and spend the time doing it, then you can have some fun with high quality movies or shows.
i will think twice before I buy my next handset. I don't expect the most amazing device in the world, but I don't like to be mislead in advertising.

Funny, I find my Cruise does everything I ask of it. I find it an improvement in almost every way over the KJAM (OC'ed to 247mhz), and the Treo 750.

Can someone give me some links to help please? Thanks.

JNGold said:
Funny, I find my Cruise does everything I ask of it. I find it an improvement in almost every way over the KJAM (OC'ed to 247mhz), and the Treo 750.
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How is your cruise setup?
I've just installed Coreplayer .....runs pathetic....picture hardly moves when running a 480MB avi.
Camera...you can forget that....never seen such rubbish...I'm sure the image quality is good...nobody should have to wait that long to take a picture.
I have a UK O2 Orbit 2....got rid of the O2 taskbar icon (after reading it was a memory hogger).
Installed :
HTC Home Screen...
HTC Theme (black) tsk file 102KB vs 200+KB for the 02 Theme.
Skype
Core Player 1.1.1
Opera 9.33
OTO
Calculator skin
WMP Skin
Advanced Configuration
PocketCM Keyboard (one of the best touch apps....never knew I could touch type that fast)
I for one am willing help in what it takes to have this phone running to at least 2/3 of its potential. Compared to my friend's Hermes...thats faster....got suckered into touch and WM6 Pro....
Where as touch v1 is a decent attempt (O2 just messed it up) I'm sure V2 only get better...Microsoft really need to integrate touch into the OS..(whats with the small up arrow next to keyboard selection on the taskbar...with so much empty space around it?....saving on real estate ?).
To me this OS looks/feels the same as the one I had on my SPV C500 years ago...(have you seen the WM6 original calculator !) 3rd party can only do so much.
Well I think HTC better watch out....to sell an expensive phone half finished...well what you say...advertising SOLD IT. But theres a few phones coming out soon and if they utilize the hardware and have half decent software then HTC will have to up the ante...should be interesting.
At the moment we will have to wait for what improvements HTC brings to this COOL LOOKING phone.
Sorry...I'm just a bit disapointed.

pistonripper said:
How is your cruise setup?
I've just installed Coreplayer .....runs pathetic....picture hardly moves when running a 480MB avi.
Camera...you can forget that....never seen such rubbish...I'm sure the image quality is good...nobody should have to wait that long to take a picture.
I have a UK O2 Orbit 2....got rid of the O2 taskbar icon (after reading it was a memory hogger).
Installed :
HTC Home Screen...
HTC Theme (black) tsk file 102KB vs 200+KB for the 02 Theme.
Skype
Core Player 1.1.1
Opera 9.33
OTO
Calculator skin
WMP Skin
Advanced Configuration
PocketCM Keyboard (one of the best touch apps....never knew I could touch type that fast)
I for one am willing help in what it takes to have this phone running to at least 2/3 of its potential. Compared to my friend's Hermes...thats faster....got suckered into touch and WM6 Pro....
Where as touch v1 is a decent attempt (O2 just messed it up) I'm sure V2 only get better...Microsoft really need to integrate touch into the OS..(whats with the small up arrow next to keyboard selection on the taskbar...with so much empty space around it?....saving on real estate ?).
To me this OS looks/feels the same as the one I had on my SPV C500 years ago...(have you seen the WM6 original calculator !) 3rd party can only do so much.
Well I think HTC better watch out....to sell an expensive phone half finished...well what you say...advertising SOLD IT. But theres a few phones coming out soon and if they utilize the hardware and have half decent software then HTC will have to up the ante...should be interesting.
At the moment we will have to wait for what improvements HTC brings to this COOL LOOKING phone.
Sorry...I'm just a bit disapointed.
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we have 2 differents polaris , mine is the all time better pocketpc (I owned all the precedent)

Aww, no one being much help to me here. Come on guys give us a clue.
Don't know whether to swap it for a Kaiser/stellar instead????

pistonripper said:
How is your cruise setup?
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Mine is setup like everyone else. I have done all the performance hacks I know of (WM Cache, GlypheCache set to 64K, etc). I have over 25 applications installed.
I've just installed Coreplayer .....runs pathetic....picture hardly moves when running a 480MB avi.
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Coreplayer just released 1.2 which performs much better on the TC. Also, I have encoded many of my vids for PPC viewing since I have owned nothing but WM devices for many years now.
Camera...you can forget that....never seen such rubbish...I'm sure the image quality is good...nobody should have to wait that long to take a picture.
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Disable the shutter sound, it helps.
I for one am willing help in what it takes to have this phone running to at least 2/3 of its To me this OS looks/feels the same as the one I had on my SPV C500 years ago.
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Welcome to the world of Windows Mobile. However, the inclusion of Touch Flo is probably the most unique WM experience offered by a WM device.
..(have you seen the WM6 original calculator !) 3rd party can only do so much.
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Install the HTC Calculator.
Well I think HTC better watch out....to sell an expensive phone half finished...well what you say...advertising SOLD IT. But theres a few phones coming out soon and if they utilize the hardware and have half decent software then HTC will have to up the ante...should be interesting.
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Aside from the video driver issues (which BTW hasn't bothered me that much), what software do expect HTC to ship with the device? HTC has done a good job integrating TouchFlo and HTC today into WM. It sounds to me like your complaints software-wise are more directed to MS rather than HTC.

Stu308 said:
Aww, no one being much help to me here. Come on guys give us a clue.
Don't know whether to swap it for a Kaiser/stellar instead????
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Since both devices are the same performance and feature-wise your only decision is whether you require a physical keyboard on the Tytn II.

pistonripper said:
I've just installed Coreplayer .....runs pathetic....picture hardly moves when running a 480MB avi.
Camera...you can forget that....never seen such rubbish...I'm sure the image quality is good...nobody should have to wait that long to take a picture.
I have a UK O2 Orbit 2....got rid of the O2 taskbar icon (after reading it was a memory hogger).
Installed :
HTC Home Screen...
HTC Theme (black) tsk file 102KB vs 200+KB for the 02 Theme.
Skype
Core Player 1.1.1
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I would suggest you installing Core Player 1.2.0

Thanks all...going to install Coreplayer 1.2.0....I did the tweaks, glyph and sound on the shutter..no effect really...maybe I've got a dud....warms up too in my hand....
Also if anyone is running the HTC home screen...which one is it ?...there so many to choose from...
Is there one specifically for the Polaris ?...I've seached and found many versions and variations.

but why does it seem as slow as my wizard? I thought the processor was supposed to be much faster? And the scrolling is finnicky to say the least.

i just downloaded coreplayer 1.3.0. whats so special about core player?

it's the player which supports most formats

I have the Orbit 2, and when I first tried using Internet Explorer I was very disappointed with the extremely slow and jerky scroll, if you could call it 'scroll'. Now that I have managed to install SPB Pocket Plus with the 'Smart Scroll' feature enabled, I'm now happy with that aspect. I haven’t tried video on it yet, but my thoughts now are that I do like the device, especially because of its form factor and looks. Before the Orbit 2 I had the SPV M3100 (Hermes), prior to this I had the SPV C500, and prior to that I had the original windows Smartphone, the Orange SPV.
For me, the Orbit is a step in the right direction, but I will be a little disappointed if video is unusable.

Overall I am happy with my Cruise (I have gotten a sim-free version). Apparently a number of people complain about speed, and I have noticed that this is also related to owners of Cruise who are on the O2 network. My guess is O2 loaded their version with useless software which reduces performance.
Regarding the video issue, I user Coreplayer 1.2 (coreplayer is a must), I encode my videos in QVGA resolution and they seem fine to me. True, you won't be able to take an existing DVD quality rip and expect Cruise to show it well, even in Coreplayer.
Performance-wise, Cruise could probably do a little better given its specs, but overall, I still think it is a very good and practival device.
Hopefully video issue will be addressed, I am not 100% confident it will be fully resolved though. Though the device works fine for me, it is quite upsetting to know that its hardware is not fully utilised...
As my closing statement have a look at the text below, from
gizmodo. com/gadgets/what.s-wrong-with-windows-mobile/whats-wrong-with-windows-mobile-and-how-wm7-and-wm8-are-going-to-fix-it-333536.php
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Microsoft is working to fix the whole WM platform. Here's how:
Even when using a super sluggish WinMo phone, it's less an example of a manufacturer not meeting the minimum requirements for RAM, ROM and CPU power, and more a problem of software which has not been optimized to run on it. This is often the service provider's fault. For example, two phones with the same 400MHz processor can be totally different depending on how much optimization the provider decides to do. When you're using a slow phone, blame the provider.
On the same token, the Windows Mobile OS team actually does set a minimum hardware requirement for the "core" features of the OS to make sure the user experience is a good one, but the minimum-requirement bar may be set too low. When companies add apps on top of the core, things start to wobble. Product manager Derek Snyder told me that Microsoft will raise the bar for minimum requirements to a level where phones can be loaded with more software without slowing down the most basic of tasks (e.g. sliding open the AT&T Tilt from portrait to landscape mode).
=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I dont get the difference between Smartphone and PPC

hi there,
i was looking for a new phone and got the at&t Samsung Jack. I understand that it is considered a smartphone and i though that as such, needs specific smartphone software. After searching the web for some applications it occurred to me that smartphone and windows mobile are somewhat the same thing. I am not sure though what the difference is. I know that i can install some software that i used for my kaiser but not all software. what do i have to look for and where is the best place to get my hands on some nice cabs?
thanks,
G

thanks for all the answers...

smartphone= WM STANDARD, no tuchscreen
pocket pc = WM PROFESSIONAL, touchscreen
www.pdadb.net if you need more infos

for what

znial said:
smartphone= WM STANDARD, no tuchscreen
pocket pc = WM PROFESSIONAL, touchscreen
www.pdadb.net if you need more infos
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i understand. what i don't get is, what do i have to look for when it comes to software?! i have a bunch of cab's that worked on my kaiser but don't work on the jack. is that because one is the standard edition and the other one the professional edition? when i look for software, what do i need to look for? wm standard or smartphone apps?
thanks,
G

You have to look out for windows smartphone apps. Actually smartphone is a misnomer as the touch version of win mobile is also called a smartphone. However for software searching PPC means touch version and SMARTPHONE means nontouch version. Actually this happened with me also as I had no idea about the difference of software compatibility in SM and PPC. Now I have known that PPC platform is much wider, versatile with respect tl software availability. I hope this serves your purpose. If you love apps I think you may regret changing over to smartphone from PPC. Some PPC apps do get installed on smartphones but only a very few of them can be used satisfactorily mainly due to navigational problems. However most of the PPC apps donot get installed on smartphones.

parthabhatta said:
You have to look out for windows smartphone apps. Actually smartphone is a misnomer as the touch version of win mobile is also called a smartphone. However for software searching PPC means touch version and SMARTPHONE means nontouch version. Actually this happened with me also as I had no idea about the difference of software compatibility in SM and PPC. Now I have known that PPC platform is much wider, versatile with respect tl software availability. I hope this serves your purpose. If you love apps I think you may regret changing over to smartphone from PPC. Some PPC apps do get installed on smartphones but only a very few of them can be used satisfactorily mainly due to navigational problems. However most of the PPC apps donot get installed on smartphones.
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thanks for the great info, it makes more sense to me now. i didn't really want to switch from ppc to sm. i was just sick of my kaiser. the touchscreen drove me nuts. i cant stand the way it works. i wish it would be as smooth as the apple. (don't get me wrong, i hate apple).
i looked at a few phones and decided to go without touchscreen. i bought the nokia e71 but wasn't a big fan of the menu and the symbian os. i think it looks more refreshing than the windows os but its too much work to even send out a text message...i probably didn't get to know it good enough though...
however, i don't need too many apps on my smartphone. just emails, calendar and tomtom if possible. i have a hard time finding a cab though for a tomtom version that works...
thanks,
G
p.s. what is a good site to download smartphone apps?

http://www.smartphone-freeware.com/
as well as not having touchscreens, smartphones generally dont need to be as high specced to get hte same speeds. this means they are cheaeper and in my experience tougher to break xD

Windows Mobile 7....soon...very soon

Probably everybody already knows that Microsoft was working on totally new Windows mobile version what will have multi touch gestures and fully revamped UI something like Vista style.
The latest news is that it will be shown off at Mobile World Congress next month with expected release date late this year. I hope to see some leeks very soon in these forums
You can read full article here.
Cheers, whitealien

it could be very interesting, get it works on polaris

I'm scared that it'll be too heavy for the Polaris isn't it?
And no multi-touch for us, or am I wrong? Don't know if multitouch is possible with resistive technology :/

polaris cant even touch win7. we might get cooked ROMs with similar UI

Thank you for the news.

what he meant is be prepared to buy a new powerful device ...

Kiiv said:
I'm scared that it'll be too heavy for the Polaris isn't it?
And no multi-touch for us, or am I wrong? Don't know if multitouch is possible with resistive technology :/
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Maybe it works perfect on de Polaris.
See with windows Vista en Windows 7
Windows 7 can easy on a light system with 1 GB memory.
I can't wait to test mobile 7 on my polaris

TLdesign said:
Maybe it works perfect on de Polaris.
See with windows Vista en Windows 7
Windows 7 can easy on a light system with 1 GB memory.
I can't wait to test mobile 7 on my polaris
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i wish...but...good luck at that
from what i know not even HTC LEO is confirmed to run it smoothly as it only meets minimum specs (and all devices below it cant run wm7)...
im gonna be looking for tegra devices...
cheers

sounds pointless, i'm sick of buying phone os's that need a quicker CPU than the average laptop.