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O2 English --> O2 Trad. Chinese successful

I have successfully flashed an O2 english machine into a traditional chinese one. I just wanted to point couple things out that slowed me down during upgrading:
1) if your ntrw shows something like "usage... etc" that means you have an incorrect version. Please download version 2.0
2) when replacing the information in the hex editor, you do not have to highlight the part to be replaced, just click once to the beginning of the header, then click paste, it'll replace by itself. I tried to highlight the part to be replaced and delete and paste again.. etc with no luck. Remember it has to look like the original, 3-4 lines of 00 then ff ff.. etc, if you did it wrong it will only have the ff ff parts right after the 416 bytes (this worked for me)
3) when putting in the SD card, it does not necessarily give you the prompt to flash in several seconds, i've seen it pop up after several minutes, so give it some time and not panic
Those were just some of my experiences that I thought could be amended to the procedures to clarify some things, because one would have to dig through many topics to find the above solutions as I did (which i don't understand why the authors won't edit their procedures to make it perfect).
Anyhow, I have one final question. I read the thread on how to remove T-mobile's customizations somewhere, but how do I remove O2's cusomization? If I can figure this out I'll make my O2 w/ dopod rom into an O2 trad. chinese rom. Thnx

Here's another thing I wanted to ask, when I change the rom and flahs w/ the cht.xxx file from ftp (the O2 rom) does it include the ext roms? Or should I d/l them cab by cab and install separately? Or does this need to be unlocked like some other threads say?

dragonone said:
Here's another thing I wanted to ask, when I change the rom and flahs w/ the cht.xxx file from ftp (the O2 rom) does it include the ext roms? Or should I d/l them cab by cab and install separately? Or does this need to be unlocked like some other threads say?
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What brand and size of SD card had you used?

i used the lexar 256mb bundled w/ my o2
i've also used panasonic high speed pro 512mb on another machine
but i don't know how that relates to my ques~

yipfu said:
dragonone said:
Here's another thing I wanted to ask, when I change the rom and flahs w/ the cht.xxx file from ftp (the O2 rom) does it include the ext roms? Or should I d/l them cab by cab and install separately? Or does this need to be unlocked like some other threads say?
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What brand and size of SD card had you used?
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Ext & radio rom is included. :lol:

Still no body knows how to unlock the ext-rom?

Still no body knows how to unlock the ext-rom? I try everyehere here, but still no one can do it?

I've been wondering that myself since I moved over from a PDA2k and saw how easy it was to do it there with the Unlocker tools.
Apparently, since it's so comparatively new and the architecture is allegedly different from some of the other models, the only individual who went far enough to hack it is no longer active or no longer a willing participant in the community. His much-appreciated hack simply cleared out the Extended ROM area and moved it into the usable Storage memory area.
Until we get more people who are acclimated and bold enough to risk tinkering with their Magician models, it's either an all-or-nothing scenario when it comes to the Extended ROM. For me, I decided to hold out from installing the "BigStorage" hack until I know we can easily go back and forth without jeopardizing our devices with SD card-flashing techniques. There seems to be too many variables (read: ROM variations) to make me feel comfortable about possibly flashing some other carrier's version or rendition of the ROM onto my i-mate NA-850MHz JAM.

Ext rom
Ok Beondthetech I understand - it's not to easy load aplications to ext rom (like MDA2) . We wont personalize our devices after loading system ( after Hard reset ). Aplications like ewallet , callmanager , ... etc. Metod is not relevant. W wont only automatically instal other programs ( not included on rom ). Or what's the metod to enrich orginal rom. But I prefer upload ext rom. Tools like Unhide and Unlock not work ( Error: FL_IOCTL_HW_PROTECTION- Yhe parameter is incorrect). When I try something write i saw Cannot copy : error code 19 The media is write protect (after use loadvdisk.exe) Thanks for all replies . Sorry for my english.

As I understand it, the memory configuration and layout is different between the Blue Angel and the Magician devices, so the Unlock tools won't work.
I decided to remove my Extended ROM portion altogether and use Anansky's BigStorage hack. I now have 27MB of Storage area instead. I copied out the Extended ROM's CAB files and incorporated it into my normal "build" when redoing all my applications on a new device.

How to make your own ExtROM for the Magician
I recently managed to make my own ExtROM for my Magician.
A short howto:
1. First dump your rom to a SD-card, using the well know method.
2. Next get the rom to your pc, using ntrw
3. Using a Hex-editor, copy 2BC019C (HEX) till 3EC019C (HEX) to a file.
4. Mount that file as a virtual Harddisk (I use the virtualdisk-plugin for total commander)
5. Modify your ExtROM on that Virtualdisk.
6. Umount the Virtualdisk.
7. paste the contents of the (modified) file back into the rom-file, at precicly the same position and save it under a different name.
8. put the modified rom back onto your SD-card, using ntrw.
9. Flash your Magician, with the new rom.
Have fun with your modified ExtRom

Re: How to make your own ExtROM for the Magician
DrChair said:
I recently managed to make my own ExtROM for my Magician.
A short howto:
1. First dump your rom to a SD-card, using the well know method.
2. Next get the rom to your pc, using ntrw
3. Using a Hex-editor, copy 2BC019C (HEX) till 3EC019C (HEX) to a file.
4. Mount that file as a virtual Harddisk (I use the virtualdisk-plugin for total commander)
5. Modify your ExtROM on that Virtualdisk.
6. Umount the Virtualdisk.
7. paste the contents of the (modified) file back into the rom-file, at precicly the same position and save it under a different name.
8. put the modified rom back onto your SD-card, using ntrw.
9. Flash your Magician, with the new rom.
Have fun with your modified ExtRom
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Does that remove the simlock?

Re: How to make your own ExtROM for the Magician
Oesie said:
Does that remove the simlock?
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Nope, it's only a way to customize which things are installed after a hard-reset.

Hi DrChair,
I have a question for you. How did you find out that The LOC 2BC019C (HEX) till 3EC019C (HEX) is the ExtROM ?
Thanks

Hi!
I can not find this section in my file. i use hdd Hex editor. see the attachment. thankx

Pamela said:
Hi!
I can not find this section in my file. i use hdd Hex editor. see the attachment. thankx
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You miss understand. 2BC019C (HEX) is Location not Content.

ups...
Sorry... :wink:
thankx

Pamela, he is referring to the exact position in the file, not a hex string to search for.
The idea is that you're ripping a chunk out of the ROM dump and turning that into a mountable volume, to which you can modify the contents, then inject the modified chunk back into the ROM dump, then SD-flash your device.
3EC019C hex = 65,798,556 decimal
2BC019C hex = 45,875,612 decimal
65,798,556 - 45,875,612 = 19,922,944 bytes
So, from the ROM dump you make, you'll be ripping out nearly 19 MB into a file that you'll use as a "virtual hard disk" to make changes as necessary.
WinHex and UltraEdit are two good hex editors, and WinHex is good for ripping chunks out and injecting them back in (you don't want to "insert" the code, but replace the 19,922,944 bytes with your modifications - inserting will make the ROM dump file larger and corrupt it).

little_frog said:
Hi DrChair,
I have a question for you. How did you find out that The LOC 2BC019C (HEX) till 3EC019C (HEX) is the ExtROM ?
Thanks
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I was trying to understand Anansky's bigstorage rom, by comparing it with my own rom, when I stumled over something that looked very much like a FAT16 bootsector. So I had the start-address. Knowing that the size of the ext-rom was 1300000 (hex) it's simple math to find the end-address.

DrChair said:
little_frog said:
Hi DrChair,
I have a question for you. How did you find out that The LOC 2BC019C (HEX) till 3EC019C (HEX) is the ExtROM ?
Thanks
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I was trying to understand Anansky's bigstorage rom, by comparing it with my own rom, when I stumled over something that looked very much like a FAT16 bootsector. So I had the start-address. Knowing that the size of the ext-rom was 1300000 (hex) it's simple math to find the end-address.
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Thanks.. DrChair

BeyondtheTech said:
Pamela, he is referring to the exact position in the file, not a hex string to search for.
The idea is that you're ripping a chunk out of the ROM dump and turning that into a mountable volume, to which you can modify the contents, then inject the modified chunk back into the ROM dump, then SD-flash your device.
3EC019C hex = 65,798,556 decimal
2BC019C hex = 45,875,612 decimal
65,798,556 - 45,875,612 = 19,922,944 bytes
So, from the ROM dump you make, you'll be ripping out nearly 19 MB into a file that you'll use as a "virtual hard disk" to make changes as necessary.
WinHex and UltraEdit are two good hex editors, and WinHex is good for ripping chunks out and injecting them back in (you don't want to "insert" the code, but replace the 19,922,944 bytes with your modifications - inserting will make the ROM dump file larger and corrupt it).
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Wow! Is it possible for any1 to make an App that will do this Automatically? similar to the bytecopy app provided by some1 in this forum(great work btw!)? Or go the distance and upload a cooked ROM with the most useful apps that will go in after a Hard Reset?(based on the experience of the gurus and nice peeps in the house)

Use at own risk.
Sorry if it sounds too technical, but theoretically, one can go into the bootloader mode of the Magician and just dump the Extended ROM area to the SD card (i.e. d2s 82BC019C 83EC019C [untested!]), then 'ntrw read' it, mount it, edit it, unmount it, 'ntrw write' it, then 's2d 82BC019C 83EC019C' to write it back to the Magician.
I haven't found any documentation on 's2d' so that might be the reason he's dumping the entire ROM, then extracting the Extended ROM portion.
There are a good threads on how d2s/s2d is used on an iPAQ and an XDA II, but I'm sure it can be applied to most Pocket PCs:
http://discuss.pocketnow.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=46855
http://en.pdamobiz.com/en/forum/PDAforum_posts.asp?TID=62&PN=1
And these are possible commands and its arguments for use in the bootloader mode:
http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/h2200-port/1/0146.html

Hi!
I have problems to mount the file to a disk. What ending should the file have? *.iso *.nrg ???!!!
i also have problems with total commander. the plugin does not work...
Plz HELP!
Pam

Hi!
now i fixed my problems... thankx
But an other question:
Is it possible to create a small ext. Rom only for IIWPO so that the rest of the Storage is useable to install Programms in?
What about a NEW self cooked Rom with IIWPO. There are many threads about this with the other HTC devices. Is it possible with the Magician without loosing the Big Storage??
Thankx. By, Pam

BeyondtheTech said:
theoretically, one can go into the bootloader mode of the Magician and just dump the Extended ROM area to the SD card (i.e. d2s 82BC019C 83EC019C [untested!])
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That would be d2s 82c00000 83f00000
BeyondtheTech said:
I haven't found any documentation on 's2d' so that might be the reason he's dumping the entire ROM, then extracting the Extended ROM portion.
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I didn't know that command existed. I thought i tried that once (s2d, without any arguments) to flash back a entire rom when I'd put back the sd-card when i was already in BL-mode, but iirc that gave me an "Invalid Command" message...
Anyways i'll give it another try this weekend.
And thanks for the url's, already googled for boatloader commands but found none

Pamela said:
Is it possible to create a small ext. Rom only for IIWPO so that the rest of the Storage is useable to install Programms in?
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I'm still trying to figure that out aswell, but uptill now without any succes...
It would be nice to have approx 10 MB ext-rom and the rest added to storage.

Extended ROM

hey Does any one have any tools to unlock the Extended Rom for my Magician (O2 xda2 mini), i wanna install some cabs in there pls do help.

1.Download Resco Explorer or Total Commander (cos you will need either these 2 program to enable "Reveal all files"
2. To unhide the Extended ROM, after you reveal all files, go to your File Explorer (Start, Programs, File Explorer)
3. Using the File Explorer, go to Windows folder and find this file called LoadVDisk.exe and then just run the file
4. Next, using File Explorer again, and go to \My Device and you should see the Extended ROM folder
5. Click on the Extended ROM folder and find the necessary cab file and click on it..
6. soft reset
also the search function is also quite useful. try it once in a while...

hey thanks for the advice will check on it, thank you.

hey man it works so how do i place another program in ext rom and will it be installed everytime i hard reset, and yeah since its unlocked how do i lock it again. than for the help hoping for a reply soon.

u cant place any new programs in the ext ROM. that ROM is supposed to be inaccessible to u. ur ext ROM should be hidden after the soft reset. check it!

You may not be able to place anything in the ExtROM till you unlock it. You have only "unhide" the ROM by running that utility. Till you unlock it you can only read the contents not write into it....

so tell me how do i unlock the ext-Rom of a magician, has anyone got any idea, pls let me know if there are any possibilities, i want to unlock the ext. rom of my O2 xda2 mini, pls help.

There are more possibilities read its content, (unhiding it). One possibility to hard reset it (pressing the Power button while pushing RESET). This will erase every data+programs from the device.
When the 1st boot finishes the ExtROM cabs are beginning to install. You have to Soft Reset the device (pushing RESET) to interrupt it. No cabs will be installed and ExtROM will be readable.

asinan said:
so tell me how do i unlock the ext-Rom of a magician, has anyone got any idea, pls let me know if there are any possibilities, i want to unlock the ext. rom of my O2 xda2 mini, pls help.
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There are no unlockers for Magician AFAIK. But now most of the people go for big storage hack with which you get 27MB of extra space for storage. Put ExtROM on the SD card. Lots of material avilable on this forum for doing so..

what is the advantage of having a big storage other than ext.Rom, if i need to can i reverse the process back to normal.

The term “Big Storage” in a nut shell is the process of modifying the built in ROM file of the Magician and deleting its “Extended ROM” contents which frees up approx 20Mb of space. This new space or “Storage” can be used to install 3rd party apps etc and won’t be deleted after a hard reset. The only way to restore the contents is by “Flashing” the ROM again with a new complete ROM File. - excerpt from ampda guide

so what is the latest rom with the big storage for a magician. i surely would love to make a switch over. thank you.

The latest and last ROM for the Magician is 1.13 with Radio 1.12. Actually you can convert any ROM to BS.

Autorun and crossbow

Faria and NTS seem to know this...
How do we get the extended rom to automatically run on Crossbow? I've searched Google and others and haven't found a thing. Is it a reg. setting or what?

jwzg said:
Faria and NTS seem to know this...
How do we get the extended rom to automatically run on Crossbow? I've searched Google and others and haven't found a thing. Is it a reg. setting or what?
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Ok, you have an autorun.exe in the windows directory, and a config.txt file in the windows directory. The config.txt is the same as it was in WM5 just a location change. Have all your lines point to \extended_rom\ and youll be fine

Wrong thread I know - but I looked all over the place and can't seem to find the definitive answer ... so here goes - am I correct in assuming that it's possible to delete the contents of ext_rom once you've used them? I guess that they are only for installing into the "real" storage, and just as long as you don't need them following a hard reset, they are just taking up some space .. am I correct?

I'm working with orwell's. Those files aren't there, so what has to happen?

radiotrib said:
Wrong thread I know - but I looked all over the place and can't seem to find the definitive answer ... so here goes - am I correct in assuming that it's possible to delete the contents of ext_rom once you've used them? I guess that they are only for installing into the "real" storage, and just as long as you don't need them following a hard reset, they are just taking up some space .. am I correct?
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No. In AKU 2.x and above, the extended rom partition is locked and cannot be written to and cannot have files deleted.

jwzg said:
I'm working with orwell's. Those files aren't there, so what has to happen?
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If you are on orwells, you need to do it the WM5 way from what I understand.

nottoosmart said:
If you are on orwells, you need to do it the WM5 way from what I understand.
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I'm not too smart either...can you give instructions?

In the system hive, (default.hv) you should have:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"TurnRadioFlag"=dword:0
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Extended_ROM\\config.txt"
"AutoRun"="\\Extended_ROM\\autorun.exe"
Most of the WM6 ROMs are missing the last two keys, thus the Autorun of the Extended_ROM is disabled by default.

eluth said:
In the system hive, (default.hv) you should have:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm]
"TurnRadioFlag"=dword:0
"AutoRunCFG"="\\Extended_ROM\\config.txt"
"AutoRun"="\\Extended_ROM\\autorun.exe"
Most of the WM6 ROMs are missing the last two keys, thus the Autorun of the Extended_ROM is disabled by default.
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in all honesty, you are wrong. Even if those lines are there, for some reason the checkautorun still looks in the windows directory for the config file and the autorun file. I have searched the whole default.hv and still cant figure out why. You figure it out and ill give you a cookie.

How to modify win folder ?

Hi,
Iwant to cook a rom and i want to add/ remove somme exe & dll.
Example: How to remove explorer.exe and replace it to total commander.exe ?
Is it possible?
Thx a lot

it's possible, but I would NOT try it
also, to answer your question: all files are automatically dumped into the Windows folder by default, so just edit anything

mbarvian said:
it's possible, but I would NOT try it
also, to answer your question: all files are automatically dumped into the Windows folder by default, so just edit anything
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thx a lot

You probobly wount get a one solve all solution since the apps are working diffrently. For youre example there is no need to remove if the purpose is just to reprogram how file extinction is handled. Basicly you remove a code and file and replace it whit anotherone, operation itself is easy. The tricky part is to get it working stable on all areas, remember one aplication is depending/working togheter whit another one. Now if you remove it you need to reconfigure how that string is handled whit another solution.
A good example is removing mediaplayer, possible. But hell

raiisak said:
You probobly wount get a one solve all solution since the apps are working diffrently. For youre example there is no need to remove if the purpose is just to reprogram how file extinction is handled. Basicly you remove a code and file and replace it whit anotherone, operation itself is easy. The tricky part is to get it working stable on all areas, remember one aplication is depending/working togheter whit another one. Now if you remove it you need to reconfigure how that string is handled whit another solution.
A good example is removing mediaplayer, possible. But hell
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hum ://
i try it on a wm6.1 emulator. It work. But i'm not sure if it work on the kaiser. (i'm afraid to brick the phone and can't reflash it after ...)
When i cook the rom, the final size is 8Mb
If i remember what i read...the rom size can't work if the size is under 64mB ?? (whrite / wrong ??? )

nyco said:
hum ://
i try it on a wm6.1 emulator. It work. But i'm not sure if it work on the kaiser. (i'm afraid to brick the phone and can't reflash it after ...)
When i cook the rom, the final size is 8Mb
If i remember what i read...the rom size can't work if the size is under 64mB ?? (whrite / wrong ??? )
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8MB does not sound right. Which kitchen are you using?