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TomTom Nav 3 on SD Card

Hi folks,
is there a way to place TT N3 on my 512 MB SD card? Since I've got the maps on it and TT N3 is of no use without them, I just would find it logical to put them together and remove the whole lot by taking the SD out.
The BT GPS receiver software should still stay on the MDA.
Thanks

It wont work because some files are also written to the main memory even if you choose sd card as install destination.

You can move the app itself over to SD but performance suffers badly and it results in frequent lock-ups. It's not a supported configuration and best avoided.

During installation of TTN3 I installed the app on Storage Card and not in Main memory. Indeed a few items are installed on main memory, but the main app itself resides on CD Card. I have not experienced a lockup o f TTN3 during normal use.
I am a happy user of TTN3 on SD Card.
O2 XDA-I 32 MB:
ROM Version: 4.01.16 ENG
ROM Date: 02/04/04
Radio Version: 4.16.00
Protocol version: 32S54

The lockups occur most on MDAII/XDA2/Qtek2020/iMate.
It is all dependent on the max. data-transfer rate of your SD-card.
I can run from SD fine, IF I do not use POI.
BTW: I dont see the advantage for MDAII/XDA2/Qtek2020/iMate to run completely from SD. With every Hard-reset you will have to re-install because of the tiny bits that are installed in main memory.
For XDA1 I can imaginge that limited memory space is a reason.

tomtom on sd
i have tomtom on my sd!
it can be done!
The app and all components in their own folders on the sd!

From my experience installing TomTom on the SD card does not seem to work to good…

Poor performance huh!!!!
hmmm not sure about the poor performance!
Could you advise me of what I will gain by adding TomTom3 to my XDA rather than my 512mb SD card?
I would love to know what I am missing out on speed wise! :lol:

After a short amount of time TomTom just starts to slow down and then dies!! - Installing TomTom into Main Memory or Storage/ExtRom works fine...

Jimbob, are you saying that you could remove your sd card and have a complete install of tomtom 3 on it, if you try the sd in another phone/pda I think you will find errors thrown up because files will be missing.

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cruisin-thru
You are correct!
I have tried it! it works fine!
merlin_uk
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Thats not how it works!
If you had any shred of brains, you will know that processes only run as quick as the item they are running on!
As long as all other apps and utils are not running, TomTom will run at full capacity!
Dont listen to merlin_uk he knows not***************************
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JimBobUK, please remove your comments towards myself from this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=61794#61794
I was only talking from my experience... there is no need to be nasty!!
If your comments are not removed I will report this post to the moderators.
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JimBobUk, there are other ways to point out that someone is wrong. Merlin was not offensive, so no reason for you to react like that.
now for the issue:
My experience is that TomTom can lock-up IF the data transfer rates of your SD-card are not high enough. I experienced this. It has nothing to do with TomTom itself, but with the maps/poi files.
I would like to know HOW you did install tomTom on the SD card completely. When I tried it I noticed some bits that were installed in main memory. Also the registry settings are in main memory. THIS means that if you put your SD-card in another (similar) device TomTom wont work. Also, after a hard-reset TomTom wont work.
These findings were reason enough for me NOT to install TomTom itself on SD.

Our US Editor is always looking for ways to install SatNav to memory cards and leave as much precious system memory free. He has been investigating which components of TomTom can safely be installed to a memory card and which need to remain in main memory.
His findings are about to be published in a short guide he has prepared on how best to achieve this with Tomtom Navigator. It requires some work and mods to the registry and there are parts of the install that need to be left installed in main memory if you want a stable system as well as registry entries etc.
It is not possible to install every element of TomTom Navigator to SD such that transferring the card to another device will allow access to TomTom.

i will put my card in another device that does not have TT3 installed and give you the results
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So there’s no confusion, I thought I would restate my experiences when installing and using TomTom 3 on an SD Storage Card…
When installing TomTom, for the application I specified that the installed location would be the SD Storage Card. Installation went smoothly and the following components were installed as follows:
Installed onto the SD Storage Card:
TomTom Navigator Voice
TomTom Navigator
Installed into Main Memory:
TomTom Wizard
TomTom GPS
What happens is that the components TomTom Navigator Voice and TomTom Navigator get installed on to the target specified during installation and components TomTom Wizard and TomTom GPS always get installed into Main Memory.
I then install the TomTom Maps on to the SD Storage Card.
The above installation all seemed to worked perfectly… but what I was finding was that when using TomTom in the car and after some time driving, TomTom seemed to slow down… what I mean by this is that the refreshing of the screen slowed down and began to become jerky… some time after this the device would hang which meant doing a soft reset (a little difficult when driving!!)
So I uninstalled TomTom and then reinstalled it, but this time I stated that the installed location for the application would be Main Memory, which meant that only the TomTom Maps would be installed onto the SD Storage Card. By doing this, it all seemed to fix the problem for me…. at the time I did not have time to investigate the reasons why I was having these problems, I just needed to have a working version of TomTom that I could rely on in the car.
The problem could not be anything to do with the number of processes running as I always made a point of closing everything first before running TomTom. Also if it was a process problem, then this would have affected TomTom irrespective of whether it was run from Main Memory or Storage Card.
My conclusion at the time was that it was not going to be suitable for me to run TomTom from the SD Storage Card, and therefore decided to install to Main Memory instead. This has recently changed, however, and I now run TomTom 3 from my Extended Rom which all seems to work great and frees up my Main Memory.
I hope this clarifies my experiences with TomTom 3.

Has anyone else got problems recieving phone calls whilst using TTN3 ?, my phone wont ring whilst TTN3 is running and i seem to miss all my calls,
Is there a solution to this at all ?
Cheers

merlin_uk said:
I now run TomTom 3 from my Extended Rom which all seems to work great and frees up my Main Memory.
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Probably a silly question, but how did u install TT3 to ur X. ROM?
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smiley_thing69 said:
Probably a silly question, but how did u install TT3 to ur X. ROM? Smiley
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When you run the installer you choose 'Storage Card' rather than 'Main Memory' but this does not install everything to storage card.
We will be publishing an in-depth guide to how to move everything that can be safely run from the storage card shortly at PocketGPSWorld. There are a few small files that need to be left in main memory to ensure stability.

smiley_thing69 said:
Probably a silly question, but how did u install TT3 to ur X. ROM?
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I used the ExtendedRom Unlocker to gain access to the ExtRom, the download can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=567
I then copied the content from the ExtRom to my SD Storage Card and then deleted everything from the ExtRom.
When reinstalling TomTom you should now be able to select the ExtendedRom as the target installation location...

TomTom SD Card Install?
Hello,
Does anyone know whether it's possible to put an install for Tom Tom onto an SD Card?
I've got to install TT onto like 70 M1000s then ship them out. I'm concerned that the battery may die in transit and main memory will be wiped. In which case TT will need re-installing :evil:
I've gotta get an activation code for each copy of TT before installing it onto the M1000 and the install takes over 30mins
With activesync I'm not able to install it onto more than one unit at any one time but if I could copy the files direct to SD card and run the install from there I could save myself a lot of time and hassle! Plus if the battery runs out I could fire up the install and everything would be sweet.
My concern is putting the install onto the SD card and passing the activation code to it.
If anyone knows an answer to this I'd be grateful for some pointers!
Thanks

Install TomTom 6 on Storage card as much as possible

Even if you said to TomTom 6 to be installed on the Storage Card, it will install itself on the MAIN memory !
Has someone managed to move the 2 biggest files:
- Tomtom navigator.exe (~2MB)
- data.chk (~2MB)
to the storage card to save (4MB here!!) the precious main memory ?
I have found nothing except this but it is for TomTom 5:
http://www.4winmobile.com/q-how-can...934.html?sid=494a2df12b48a1e8fdca8ae0e7bfb752

Yes, I moved the whole Tom Tom directory that is installed to the Main Memory, to the Storage Card and run the Navigator exe from there.
Another thing is if you do a Hard Reset you dont after reinstall it again, it will run directly from the Storage Card, you just have to create a shortcut.

The difficulty with copying everything across to the SD card is that TomTom Home then can't find the installation on the pocket PC. Have you found any way around this?
Andrew

Yes, what are the consequences of moving the folder to the storage card ?

chris247 said:
Yes, what are the consequences of moving the folder to the storage card ?
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Well, the only problem is that it is a little slower to startup and get going, but once thats done Ive never noticed any difference.
The only thing is you cannot use the Today plugin (but I never did anyway), I just created a new shortcut in the Start Menu, that does it for me.

I agree with coercri (although I don't find it is any slower to start from my SD card, probably because I stuck in a relatively fast card ). But that still doesn't get around the problem of not being able to update the POIs using TomTom Home (which is much more convenient than copying the individual files to a number of map sub-directories). Maybe the answer is a Registry hack to point the installation directory to the card. I will try it.

I don't use the Home application so this is why it has never bothered me, I donwload the Camera Updates and just copy them to the GBMAP directory.

Thanks for you advice. I moved my TomTom folder in Program Files from main memory to the SD card. It works great !
The speed is the same as on the main memory and the application load is as fast as on the main memory. Maybe this is due to the fact that I took a fast SD card.
I am not using TomTom Home so I don't have this problem. I suggest you use Resco Explorer Registry editing tool and make a search for '\Program Files\Navigator' you should find so occurrences, change them to '\<name of your storage card>\Program Files\Navigator'

Thanks for that. In the end, I simply went back to copying the OV2 files across.
Incidentally, I have now moved TomTom to the Extended ROM and it is faster than running from the SD Card.

"Storage Card" as "My Documents" causes doubled files

I have a Blue Angel with WM5 and I did a Registry Hack to use my SD Card as "My Documents" (not in a subfolder!).
Now, when I open a programm like TomeRaider or Word, in the file list I see every file twice. I think the system looks at"My Documents and Storage Card separately, despite the renaming. Does anybody know how to fix it?

The difficulty in working with files and directories on Pocket PCs has bugged me since their inception. I am hoping that WM6 will improve on that. We'll see.
In the meantime I've found that if I create a My Documents folder on my Storage Card I can get WM5 to at least see inside the storage card, and also one directory under My Documents there. I hope that helps, but it's really not a good answer. It won't get any better until windows mobile and the pocket apps are improved enough to allow them to read the filesystem to a greater depth.
It is really hard to understand how M$ has continued to sell and profit from such a sub-par solution that could likely be so easily fixed. Especially on devices that commonly utilize gigabytes of storage in today's working world.

Main Memory Being Eaten Up

I've been installing plenty of programs on my SD card recently and I have xda mobile 6 rom. Everytime I install a program though, it still makes its way to my windows file directory that over a course of installing programs, it accumulates and takes over space. Is there a way to solve this problem permanently by installing those "install" files onto my sd card only?
Or perhaps using total comander to move the files around and it would still work despite not being in my main memory windows directory on the phone. It should really be on the storage card.
If any one could help me out with this problem, because I went from having 45mb on my main storage to only having only 25mb despite me "installing" the files on the storage card which they appear to be on there, but my main memory is still being eaten up,
much thanks in advance.

Sorry if you thought of this already, but have you configured Pocket Outlook to store your email and attachments on the storage card? by default, they are stored on main memory.

also, there is a problem with system files being deployed in the memory card since the initial read is from the main memory. those files can't move to the memory card.. or... maybe they can, but not in a regular.. altering registry or installation a program way.

ineluki-I don't use pocket outlook at all. And everyone that I have moved onto the memory card, I did already.
nir36-is there anyway to move those install files away from the main memory since registry alteration doesn't work?
does anyone know of any way to move this around?

unfortunatly, you can't move those files without altering the base of the device. if there is another way, it's not a way i know about.. but it's unlikely you can use your system files from your SD card.. sorry

Tomtom 7 installation

Quick question;
Is it possible to install the maps and other directories for Tomtom7 anywhere other than the root of the storage card? Ideally, I'd like to put them all in a TomTom7 folder on the storage card.

you only need one folder on the root of your sd card for tomtom on any version, which should contain maps, poi's, and what not. I have my voices set to a separate folder but i don't believe this is necessary.

So I can have a 'Storage Card\TomTom' folder which the other folders ('maps', 'raster', 'voice', etc) and TomTom will automatically pick it up?
I'm sure I've tried this before and had no luck - I figured there might be a configuration setting or something. I'll try it again when I get home.
Thanks.