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I bought XDA Atom a three days ago and used it has got good features but the device is very slow and it hangs all the times. If u try n open the camera it hangs. Even at the configuiration time also it hangs. At last finally i have sold this phone i was pretty fed up of it. It was damn slow and hangs all the time. The response time is very slow.
So I really recommend dont even think of buying it.
Jeet, you like collecting phones don't you!
I'd love to get my hands on an Atom, don't think they're on sale in the UK yet. Nice to develop for WM5 on a small device for the pocket. Wizard isn't really for me, Atom seems perfect...
Have you tried soft resetting and sidestepping the customised extended ROM?
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My atom was also a laggy.
I got rid of the O2connect that is always loaded from startup and it now flys.
I haven't had any lockups after 4 days of hard testing, and while the camera is laggy it's not that bad.
All in all I think my atom is amazing, and I'm very happy with it.
Regards,
Simon
Hi Jeet,
Based on yr reviews..I ordered one atom to resale..and I checked it thoroughly.I did not notice any lock ups...What I did, I hard resetted it and then started exploring...also did the self test.
THere's nim extended ROM I think...the Memory management is totally differrent...something like 2003SE but on WM5...]
u have 60 MB RAM, 22 MB of Main Memory and 43.86 MB of Storage
So it is entirely differrent...I shd say a Mix of HP iPaqs system with WM5..one needs to investigate more...
simonpickard said:
My atom was also a laggy.
I got rid of the O2connect that is always loaded from startup and it now flys.
I haven't had any lockups after 4 days of hard testing, and while the camera is laggy it's not that bad.
All in all I think my atom is amazing, and I'm very happy with it.
Regards,
Simon
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Hi Simon.
Do you mind telling us how you removed it from the startup?
You can say that I'm not familiar with the registry, but I've edited it.
I'm planning to remove more than that O2 connect. The MediaPlus SMS plus seem useless to me too.
Thanks!
Hi there,
To remove it just go into file manager and when windows / startup.
There are shortcuts to the apps that get loaded every time you reboot.
I just removed them and my atom is now much faster, i.e. you don't get those nasty pauses every now and then for no reason.
Regards,
Simon
My Indonesian cousin recently got an XDA Atom too with the same observations as you guys.
As far as i'm concerned:
considering the enhanced features like WiFi and a 2MPx camera, with the processor type/speed not considerably improved, "lagging" and "hanging" is not surprising.
Too bad you sold the phone though. Usually 1st edition O/S programs have a lot of bugs. Most probably an upgraded program available in 3-6 months time may solve the existing problems
Pogi
I have the same negative experience and I belive it is all software related and can be fixed. Once again, hardware spec is not everything, at the end of the day it is human being making things work. Hope O2 will learn from it and qucikly fix Atom before damge of the O2 name is too deep to be reparied.
my issue with the Atom is only the outgoing sound quality. Ive had it for 2 days and everyone Ive spoken with has had troubles hearing me, complaining of 'muffled' sound and very low volume....
anyone else have this? I guess I should be returning mine? Ive not seen many complaints about this...
Well this is what I have been deciding for sometime now.
And here is my verdict:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48608
I think it's worth it. Orange now have upgrade stock and I've ordered my M600 today. My M500 will probably appear on eBay in the next few days.
Someone else in our office has just got an M600 having upgraded from the M500 and he really likes it - and so do I. Since I'm due for a free upgrade I thought - what the heck...go for it. 8)
I never had S100 but I still have my old 9090. I think you should go for it. The new WM5 is faster, cleaner and more stable (no more soft reset). And not being worried about losing everything when the battery dies. As for the processor, it is right, the S200 is a bit slower, you’ll feel it while playing movies with tcpmp. But using an overclocking app. Will fix it.
if you encode your video correctly, eg in 320x240 res, video playback is no problem whatsoever without overclocking
Indeed!
The gadget it nice, small, stylish black (at least are the XDA Neos), definitely better than the Wizard, and has no problems playing movies without overclocking if encoded with PocketDVDStudio.
It is THE phone!
P.S. The Start and OK/Close buttons are life-savers 8)
I've now upgraded and it was definitely worth it. 8)
When playing movies shot with my Canon Ixus @ 320x240 the Charmer stutters and the S100 does not.
Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
I think I will wait till the next version !
Hopefully they will have sorted it by then.
I would just upgrade again when the next model is out :lol:
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Why would I want to 'upgrade' to something that I need to 'overclock' to get to the same speed that I have already ?
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I think it is something like this... Let's say I have a Pentiun III (256MB) with Windows 98SE(WM2003SE Device) and I upgrade it to WinXP (WM2005 Device) .... I believe I WILL have to overclock to have same performance speed when let's say opening a document, or starting a game.
I don't know but i believe it is WM5 that is slowing the device down. I guess that's why even if were in 2006 there are still computers running Windows 98. So i guess you are right. If you don't need (yet)the advantages that WM5 brings then you could wait for the next generation Processors so that it will run "at par" as the S200.
I came from a h6340 (OMAP 200Mhz WM2003) to the Universal (Intel 520Mhz WM5) and no matter how you look at it, the Universal is so much faster than the HP h6340.
Oh, BTW... out from the box, the universal was "kinda" slow and I would classify it as a little non-responsive when opening a lot of programs at same time. Now though after a few ROM updates, everything is running quite quick.
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
montana said:
First of all, no need to overclock. The processors arent from the same vendor, so dont look too much at the "Mhz".
I had a S100, and now got a 200, the 200s processor is definetely Not worse than the S100.
In my opinion, its worth it! The one thing I miss on my S200, is Project VCABT, I really hope these talented guys will fix it asap
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Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
- It's a more radical change than XP was, and less documented and user-conscious than it should.
- Phone caller ID is worse. Pictures are unreadable on screen. No options.
- Phone directional keys don't work as expected.
- ¡Notes on contacts are limited in size!
- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
Looking Glass said:
Some items might be a matter of taste, but some are critical.
- The machine IS slower than an JAM
- It hangs, at least so often as the JAM, or more frequently should I say.
- I had to hard reset the first day of usage: A clock alarm remained somehow turned on and sounding every few minutes. No way to disconnect the thing..... even after a Soft Reset
- Battery life is shorter.... (It may be my unit, but it's way shorter than my JAM one year old one....)
- BT worries remain the same as in older models (JAM, etc)
- Lots of Apps simply don't load or don't work
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- flimsy pen
Really, very disappointed.... :evil:
On the plus side: WIFI, look, screen, more ergonomics for one hand use... not enough
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I think you might need to return your unit and get a replacement. Something must be wrong with your unit, or might because of some programs you installed on it?
I had a XDA Neo (same as S200) with JAMin WWE ROM for more than 2 month. The XDA Neo runs very fast and smooth. I never got any problem with it. I normally run multiple programs (2-5) at the same time. For example, media player to listen to mp3s and watch ebooks, and also have the dictionary (Lexisgoo 2.0) running. I never had complaints about the speed. The OMAP CPU is defferent than Xscale, you can not compare them by MHz.
I did not reset the unit in more than one week. The unit never (or at least rarely) hangs. Extremely stable. So, I guess you must installed some program not very compatible with your unit. I have installed more than 20 programs on it, but of course, I tested more than probably 40 programs in my first month after I got this unit, and deleted all the other programs which I believed it made the unit unstable.
I am also pretty satisfied with the battery life. It can last about one week (or at least 4-5 days) for regular use, if I do not use it for long time (more than 30-60 minutes talk) chat on the phone.
The BT is very stable. I use it to connect to my car (I have blue tooth system in my Prius), and it worked beautifully. But to save the battery, I normally turn the BT off when I get off the car.
Sometimes, I guess, you really need to test all the programs you installed. A lot of programs may not work right for WM5, and I also found that some programs it actually may work for WM5 (according to online info or reviews), but it did cause problems on my unit, and made the unit not very stable. You have to spend sometime to figure out. After you done this, you can always use the same programs on it, just keep updating when new version coming out. That is what I did for all my PDA phones.
Hope it helps.
By the way, I am using the overlocking now (252 MHz), and the unit runs even more faster and stable.
Hi!
I agree that no comparison is good based on Mhz, I know about it, but things are slower. Example: after a soft reset, (Several times a day) just accesing a contact whose name begins with "Z" in a 3000+ contact list, takes .... almost 20 seconds!
Loading TomTom 5? some 30 seconds before getting back the control of the thing. Never mind of using the TT5 if you receive an incoming call while tt5 loads..... it will be gone! An I have more than 39 Mb free memory!
Screens redraws that you can "see" almost by the pixel, etc. And I have just 6 apps loaded, tt5, Check Point, Pocket Earth, and a couple of games, none of then running altogether, but for the tt5-check point combo.
I know I can not return my unit for servicing just based on those problems.
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Or could I?
Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.
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It really sounds like you have defective unit. Maybe you should try to exchange it for another one.
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Yep. Not one issue with mine. As for speed, I guess that's all relative. However, I have had enough WM devices in the past to base my comparisons to and I don't find the TC to be any worse than my past devices. In some respects, it is faster at some operations (ie. opening applications, browsing directories, etc) than my past device. I have no issue with touching the screen and the amount of pressure needed.
As for the size and weight of the TC, you'll be hard pressed to find anything that's leaps and bounds smaller and lighter on the market right now with the exception of the original Touch series.
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Okay, I'm going to (try and) return my device (through devicewire, anyone know how good their returns policy is?). Here, in order of importance, is why:
1- Bluetooth doesn't work any more (it comes up saying "Error: bluetooth hardware problem"
2- Phone needs a hard restart (battery out) ONCE A DAY. This is despite resetting it and keeping it clean as received. Something will freeze
3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
5- It ain't that pretty, it ain't that small, it ain't that light
Shame, because it does have a fair bit going for it. But I'm finding that they've just tried to push the envelope too far, especially on a system that is such a HUGE MESS already (Windows Mobile).
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back
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Taking the battery out does not hard reset the device, it just reboots it. If you check the wiki, you sill see how to really perform the hard reset. This may be all your device needs. Sounds like some corrupt files in the active OS. Doing a true Hard Reset will restore all files from ROM and correct any corrupt ones. You will lose all settings and contact information so have them backed up or accessible. Also, you may want to remove your microSD before you hard reset.
Good Luck and report back
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Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though
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Sorry, I should have said i DID do a proper hard reset (hold buttons down, restart, software reinstalls on a bare phone), and still problems with bluetooth. AND, incidentially, WIFI! This evening I'm going to try throwing it against a wall (joking). Thanks for helping though
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You got a bad device. It happens. If you are satisfied with what the device offers, exchange it for another.
it's true that it's too slow to search a name in all database !
I had a QTek 9090 also cadenced to 400Mhz during nearly 2 years,and I used to search a name not only in contacts but using the "search" tool in all the datas and with the same database of almost 3000 contacts + calender over 1000 entries, with the QTek it took only a few seconds, here on the TC (and I used also before a TYTN it was the same problem : very slow),it takes more than 1 minute ! It is so slow that the screenlight turns off before it has found !! It is really boring and not easy to use: I have to go in contacts and type the name or surname, then it is much faster....BUT if I want to find a keyword I put in the notes of my contacts, the only way is to use the search tool and it is REAL too slow !
What do you guys, testers, think about this ? The QTek had the same processor speed, half less RAM and ROM but maybe it consumed more energy, more power, maybe the battery lasted less time, but ok, I prefer to charge my battery more often and to have a fast PDA . I cannot wait so long to search an item !!!
try to exchange you device for a new one and you will be a happy chap
Cedel: The 9090 (Qtek = HTC) has an Intel CPU I owned a Qtek S110 (also Intel) and it was in fact very fast. But comparing raw CPU speed in this case is not correct. I'm pretty sure Intel uses a completely different architecture. There are IMO several reasons for HTC dropping Intel from their phones:
1. Cost - Intel have never been a cost effective solution and I strongly suspect that they are at least 30% more expensive.
2. Battery - A 9090 or S110 would not live though the day with GPS, 128 MB DDR RAM and all the other features you now have I can confirm this from an iPAQ 316 I tested recently. 2 hours @battery power was it's maximum!
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3- It's slow. REALLY slow. OMG how boringly slow.
4- Most screen taps require one, two or three attempts to get it to recognise - whether I do the registry hack or not
Gawd I HATE it when a gadget doesn't work out. And I hate it more when it cost me near enough £400 ($800) to get it
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that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?
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that's every touch cruise made by HTC...yours, mine, everyone who owns one in this forum
HTC consideres these two things "features" because this is a "business device"
i thought you knew that! (lol)
just for kicks though, what registry hack are you referring to?
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Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...
yeah i've tried that...didn't do much difference
i hope u get ur probs fixed, good luck dealing with HTC :-\
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Good point!
The registry hack is the one to increase screen sensitivity posted elsewhere - screen still needed a couple of prods to work.
Any case, I've sent it off to HTC with my list of complaints - let's see what they send back...
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I have recently sent me touch dual back to HTC twice- the first time they said they replaced the mainboard but when I got it back it still had problems, the second time they said they couldnt find any issues with it and reflashed the rom and sent it back- they were unhelpful and unapologetic. Was thinking of sending in a written complaint as I never had any problems with my wizard or TYTN but I honestly dont think it will achieve anything.
I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems. I think its windows mobile that is the weak link here.
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I was thinking of getting rid of it and getting a touch cruise but it seems to have just as many problems.
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What problems are those? Aside from lack of graphics drivers, the device performs as I expect.
Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.
madinga, i really understand you. It's a ****ed up device! I bought it for $1000 and for such money it freezes, doesn't wakeup on power push, and got a very bad performance. I wanna throw it to the wall!! ****
Well I like mine...
But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.
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Well, I got my device back from HTC. Appart from the fact the screen glows in the bottom left corner (though not really visible once the screen is bright), they seem to have improved it. In the sense that it's not totally broken. So bluetooth and WIFI work again, which, frankly, they should for this much money.
The TC is still a slow phone with pretty terrible usability. But even with a faster processor, the usability would be terrible. So, I dunno, I'm stuck with it for the moment.
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Its not a slow phone i think your device still have a problem.
Send it back again and demand a new device tell them this is a clearly DOE/RMA Case
they have to give you a new Device.
Cheers
Tarik
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But it's not a massive improvement over the original Orbit. The Touch interface is loads better though, I'd miss that if I went back to the Orbit.
A proper VGA screen in it would be great though, since it would make it a lot more possible/easier to use to read PDF novels etc. Currently you can't have the entire page of a book full screen and the text still be readable. A higher DPI would sort that out.
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I really don't have any problems reading books/novels... GowerPoint uBook does the job... well it can't read PDF files but it can read RTF files, so the text formatting can be preserved, also it has lots of features...
10 Min For Cube To Load
It took 10 mins for the cube to open. During that time, it locked my PDA. I've been disappointed in this and all the bugs with the Word Completion and returned it as a manufacturer defect.
In all the years prior to now, I cannot believe the processors currently out there have not advanced in speed.
Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!
Nobody knows?
Is any test between these to phones on net?
Thanks!
IMHO the o2 has a better form factor...it's more rounded...
but other than that, i'm pretty sure its 100% the same exact hardware on the inside...and as a touch cruise owner, i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon
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i can tell you it's a lag ridden slow ass POS..return it while u still can, cause drivers aren't coming any time soon
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Don't take that for gospel. I have owned many PPC's going back to 2000 and i can tell you from my experience, the TC performs just fine in day-to-day operation. As a matter of fact, it performs much better than my last 2 devices, a Treo 750 and the KJAM.
1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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I have no such "problems" with my TC. However, if you want to nitpick, the FM antenna is not very strong so there can be interference if used in a place like a metropolitan city.
Other than that, I have not had any problems.
4.) bad painting
all the time...all you have to do is be viewing a web site in whatever browser and press the phone key. Depending on what other applications you have open, and how much ram you are using, it can take up to 1-5 seconds to fully "paint" the dialpad on the screen, piece by piece.
If you are scrolling through anything, lets say the programs menu, or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
I can remember back about 15 years ago, to my first desktop PC...it was a pentium 133 MHZ, with an ATI 3d card that had 8MB of ram I believe, and it ran windows 3.11 for workgroups, and then windows 95.
Lets just say even that comp (if it were still put together) could out do the touch cruise graphics wise.
As for the other problems you are describing, I have not had any issues with those. For the most part, it's just the graphics \ user interface stuff and lack of proper video drivers.
The actual radio hardware is fine.
If i were you, I would wait until all the issues are worked out before you spend alot of money on a handheld..unless you really need it. I'm actually thinking of selling my touch cruise and getting an Atom V.
both are same inside, but i'm on my 3rd O2 Orbit 2 due to cosmetics, i get the feeling the new 'stylised' case for the Orbit 2 is rushed, as all 3 have gaps, off centre screen and now my 3rd one the GPS plug keeps falling out! lol
i'd go for the original 'design' as most complaints i've heard have been about O2 version - BUT just cosmetics, not hardware.
i really can't be bothered to send this back, but will think twice about what i upgrade to next :/
or a website, the screen flickers, and lags.
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If you're using PIE, there is a fix for that. After applying the fix, scrolling is just fine.
I also have no scrolling issues using Netfront 3.5.
cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.
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1. Wi-Fi
2. BT
3. Front earphone
4. Radio
5. Bad painting
6. Shutting down suddenly
Are these problems have only orbit2 or both?
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On the TC
1) Wi-fi is fine
2) Only used BT to transfer files between laptop and phone, works fine.
3) No problem with earphone
4) not sure, the actual radio ROM (reception, etc) or FM Radio. 1st one is fine, 2nd one reception can suck.
5) Sux donkey balls. See the post about dialer skin lag. very true.
6) Never happened.
The device is fine overall with day to day use. but sometimes stuff just won't freakin work or will lag. every once in awhile my GPS will take forever to lock or when it does it will be off by a bit. sometimes windows live mail won't send/receive when i want it to. other times i feel the device just can't handle multiple things at the same time. opening audio manager when you have several hundred music files takes about 5-10 secs. then when listening to music while typing an sms, you will feel some lag while typing as opposed to typing with no music playing.
I have an Orbit 2 ...build wise its fantastic. Before I bought it, I was going to buy the iphone, the salesman in the O2 shop gave me a demo on the iphone's rigidity and build quality, he held the iphone flat in his palm with the screen up and slammed it down hard onto a wooden desk from a height of approx 1 metre....it looked very impressive...when I got my Orbit 2 I did the same.....not even a scratch....
Also thought I would comment on BT issues..since I failed to mention it in my previous post
Handsfree works great.
I have a handsfree system in my automobile, and I have a motorola HS850 as well.
No problems whatsoever.
Also, activesync works great over BT, so does internet sharing using the PAN.
File transfer takes a long time, but that is to be expected, since BT data transfer rates aren't as good as USB.
A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
I emailed HTC about this and their response was less than helpful.
They gave me a bunch of a2dp headset models that they have "tested"
and then told me that just because they were tested doesn't mean they are fully functional without issues.
I tried to tell them that it wasn't the headsets and it was the device itself, but they didn't seem to listen to what I had to say.
Never tried a2dp, but i don't have a hard time seeing this happening with this device. just the kind of thing to be expected. and i wanted to have stereo bluetooth to listen to music, etc. is it really that bad? guess i won't be trying that.
as far as build quality, it's good so far. except the loose volume switch on the side that rattles. kinda lame there. i've heard of the orbit2 jog dials falling off. there's another thread about that somewhere.
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cosmetics i agree with that.
if you look in the accessories thread, there are multiple posts about the top screen being crooked and not glued onto the other screen, hearing snap backs when tapping on or around the corners.
Also I agree that the micro-sd hatch is very poorly designed, also along with the GPS plug.
Just a thought, that keeps recurring though my mind...why didn't they put more time and thought into these devices, when they cost upwards of $1000.
Unless of course, they made it this way, cosmetics and software, purposely...
But that's just me...there are some people who don't seem to have a problem with the way this device performs.
I think though, that I'm being over critical, because all of the previous HTC devices I have used, have never had problems that have even come close to this, and also, they didn't cost nearly as much. I just expected so much more from the TC.
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I'm one of the ones not having a problem with my TC. I agree the web using ie is slow but is also on every other wm device I've had. So I use opera mini.
Upwards of $1000?? Where the hell are you buying it anyway? That's a bit exagerated isn't it? I concur tho that phones are getting more and more expensive and the quality of build is not equal to cost. Actually my gf's t-mo go phone cost $40 and is seemingly indestructable.
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A2DP however, sucks the big one.
I've tried 5 different a2dp devices\headsets...
It's all lag ridden, staticy at times, and sometiems it just plain stops and skips for 5-20 seconds.
It seems like whenever you use a2dp it lags the whole friggen device as well..
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You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all. I can even surf the web while using A2DP using Opera Mini or Mobile without issue. Keep in mind that I push multi-tasking on my devices.
I will say however, that using the S9's with the TC in NYC is crappy due to the weakness of the BT signal. I used to have the same issue with my Treo 750 using WM5 then when I upgraded to WM6 the issue seemed to lessen enough to the point where I didn't quite mind the "occasional" skip.
o2orbit said:
Is eny different between this two phone? I read that have many problems with orbit2, is the same with Touch cruise, same problems? Now i have o2 orbit and thinking to buy orbit2 or cruise, but i m little sceptical, becouse of problems..
Thanke you!
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Did they up the ram? Because 64mb is unaceptable. Causes freeze-ups and shut downs. Gotta have 128mb minimum.
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You seem to have a lot of complaints. However, I can tell you that I have experienced no such lags as you mention using A2DP. I use a Moto S9 when I work out at the gym and no problems at all.
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Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
And also, to comment about the price thing...the Sedna costs 1000 and the touch cruise is currently going for 700-800...I paid 850 for mine but i got it after one of the first shipments to the wholesaler. This is in the US though...I've heard these same exact phones cost like $50 in hong kong. Dunno if it's true but...search google checkout for the HTC Sedna, and see how much they cost.
$50 for a Cruise in HK??? no way. link?
surgex0 said:
Hm..I don't get it..
I tried those and they had the same problems as all the other ones I tried.
I tried them in my house, working out, airports, planes...no matter where i went they were the same. I dunno man :-\ I am having alot of bad luck lately...
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Yea, surgex0, you might wanna do some investigation, b/c A2DP works perfectly for me also. No skipping, great quality, and I can multitask w/o a real slowdown in performance. I've used it with my Samsung A2DP headphones, my Sony A2DP input/output adapter for my home stereo, and random A2DP demo products in stores. No issues here... Maybe try other headphones, or if you are on a custom rom try the original rom.
hi
I am thinking to buy the Samsung Galaxy pro
I read many review and specfication but dint find any information about its ARMV
and on some sites there is a debate that it has got secondary camera or not
and does the adobe flash player works same as it runs on samsung galaxy s
plz clear my douts
thanx.........
I just got one... it does not have any secondary camera.... But let me tell u... i feel that its one of the best android mid range phone in the market... i know its not one of the prettiest looking but it surely is one carrying a good processor speed and RAM
@gauravkittz: Congrats on your new phone!
I am also looking at this phone seriously so I hope you don't mind a couple of questions.
In pinoytechblog {can't post links yet, so just google it), the reviewer posted that the Facebook app has the icons on both side cut off by the screen edge and arcMedia player won't display in landscape mode.
Can you comment on both these point? It's not like I want to use arcMedia player, but I just want to know if there are incompatibitlity with some programs existing for this device.
Next, what's your battery life like? If Samsung had included 1500 mA battery instead 1350 mA, it would have been the BOMB! but would really appreciate any estimate.
How's the music playback with the earphones provided with the set, and how many hours of music playback can the set handle?
Well, I hope you can give me some of the answers for the questions mentioned, and any shameless promoting of the handset is also welcome!
Thanks in advance!
I picked my Samsung Galaxy Pro up on Thursday and am really enjoying it.
The 800 Mhz processor and memory seem to buzz along quite comfortably and I seldom have any slowdowns or freezes.
I have not found Adobe Flash Player in the Market, and when I log onto market.android.com and try installing it from there I get a message saying it is not compatible with my device.
The battery life is comparable to my HTC Desire GSM in an average day's use (with skype running all the time)
The device was bought from a Three store in the UK and is network locked to Three UK.
Something also to note is that the Android version is 2.2.2 rather than the 2.2.1 as advertised on the Samsung and Three website.
If you have any more questions post them here or on Twitter @Todoleo, I'll do my best to get back to you asap.
@ todoleo: Thanks for the reply.
Can you by any chance comment on a certain complaint by a customer in some website (which I forgot about) that there is no call accept and call end button and he had a hard time ending calls? It sound so stupid on paper, and looking at the phone, there is not call accept and call end button, but I always assumed that there were on-screen equivalent...
Can you give some numbers regarding battery life? I know that battery life is directly affected by how you use the phone, but gmarena user reviews gave such conflicting information, I thought I would ask you for some clarification.
Lastly, regarding Flash, I do remember reading in some website that the phone is Flash 10.1 compatible and some people claim to be able to play youtube vids direct from websites; are the misinformed or is it confirmed that the phone is Flash incompatible?
Thanks for all you help! Flash is not the deal breaker for me. Battery life is more important. If I can get some positive confirmation about the rumored 600+ standby time - or even a third of the time mentioned - I'll be very happy.
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@ todoleo: Thanks for the reply.
Can you by any chance comment on a certain complaint by a customer in some website (which I forgot about) that there is no call accept and call end button and he had a hard time ending calls? It sound so stupid on paper, and looking at the phone, there is not call accept and call end button, but I always assumed that there were on-screen equivalent...
Can you give some numbers regarding battery life? I know that battery life is directly affected by how you use the phone, but gmarena user reviews gave such conflicting information, I thought I would ask you for some clarification.
Lastly, regarding Flash, I do remember reading in some website that the phone is Flash 10.1 compatible and some people claim to be able to play youtube vids direct from websites; are the misinformed or is it confirmed that the phone is Flash incompatible?
Thanks for all you help! Flash is not the deal breaker for me. Battery life is more important. If I can get some positive confirmation about the rumored 600+ standby time - or even a third of the time mentioned - I'll be very happy.
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As far as battery life is concerned I can explain how I use the phone and how long the battery lasts. I am a heavy user and always have 3g/umts switched on with Skype+seesmic+gmail+gtalk running in the background.
When I get up and go to work, I unplug the phone and use it all day for calls, texts and data. When I get home in the evening, I still have battery left to do sofa surfing while watching tv. As far as I am concerned the battery life is similar to the HTC Desire and the ZTE Blade: enough to get me through a day.
The phone has no green and red call hardware buttons. The Software does have start and end call buttons. I believe the proximity sensor kicks in when in a call because when I move the phone from my ear to look at the screen the screen turns on and I do have an end call button to press onscreen.
So far I have not been able to install or run flash on the device, but I'll look into it and let you know.
Feel free to ask any more questions!
keyboard backlight
The keyboard backlight turns off after about 20 secs unlike the display which can be set. It is annoying when you sms in the dark... Anyone experience this problem...?
matt
matteosg said:
The keyboard backlight turns off after about 20 secs unlike the display which can be set. It is annoying when you sms in the dark... Anyone experience this problem...?
matt
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What happens when you press an arrow key? You don't type anything and the screen keeps on.
I don't have the pone yet but I think it would be a solution...
Phonearena review:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Pro-Review_id2736
i just got the device, and it seems OK
screen is not the best with small text for my eyes
no flash support is a bummer although it was mentioned that it will support it over at GSMARENA.com
altogether the device is neat, and beats some blackberry devices with one hand
right now i have only one concern, how to update the software as there isnt Kies support!
i got mine recently. its an awesome phone. keyboard is snappy for messaging, phone calls sounds good for both parties. SipDroid works a charm. ummm, yeah as a phone its really really good. If you want a smart phone with a large screen, perhaps its not for you. but if you spend most of you time using a phone or sending messages, its very good. little apps work, things like skype work. ability to create VPN's back to your home systems (avoiding the phone networks) works. Google maps with the GPS etc. For me, the screen size is fine - i suspect the next gen will be bigger. I've never really bothered with twatter or facebook etc and its nice to have a phone by default where these aren't in your face.
basically, it works and I think works very well. My previous phone was a smartphone with oodles of processing and a large touch screen but I found I never used most of its potential and as I have a tablet (of which tethers happily to the samsung on 3G) for large screen browsing i recommend this phone!
Here you have a review that I made few days ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXUecPyNNhM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenK3POdaKI
you knows how and where you can unlock Samsung Galaxy Pro B7510 ?
I found the cheapest on the auction in allegro Poland is something like ebay. 39.99 PLN = £ 8.81
i purchased galaxy pro 1 month before..
bought it in 11700/- in bangalore,, after barganing..
this one is ma firsy android phone so it feels me nice..
camera and video both quality is really good ..
processor is also really fast...
sound quality is good...
touch is good..
i got sm prb related to this one..
1. battery- battery is not as expected.. it's discharged within 12 hours..
if i started using it from morning 10 to 8 then it ll okkk..
2. phone memory- in built memory is also low.. only 181mb
so cant install many full version games at a time..
ram - ram is 279mb.. ram is good,, not bad..
overall phone is good..
only the prb is battery..
otherwise its a best phone wid in this range..
robin1429 said:
i purchased galaxy pro 1 month before..
bought it in 11700/- in bangalore,, after barganing..
this one is ma firsy android phone so it feels me nice..
camera and video both quality is really good ..
processor is also really fast...
sound quality is good...
touch is good..
i got sm prb related to this one..
1. battery- battery is not as expected.. it's discharged within 12 hours..
if i started using it from morning 10 to 8 then it ll okkk..
2. phone memory- in built memory is also low.. only 181mb
so cant install many full version games at a time..
ram - ram is 279mb.. ram is good,, not bad..
overall phone is good..
only the prb is battery..
otherwise its a best phone wid in this range..
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You can install apps on the SD. Go to Settings/Applications...
The RAM is 512mb but Android needs memory to be loaded. For this reason you "only" have 279Mb of RAM. If we could install some cooked ROM we would have more RAM but I don't know if this phone will be as successful as for it. It's soon for this, I think.
xfox said:
i just got the device, and it seems OK
screen is not the best with small text for my eyes
no flash support is a bummer although it was mentioned that it will support it over at GSMARENA.com
altogether the device is neat, and beats some blackberry devices with one hand
right now i have only one concern, how to update the software as there isnt Kies support!
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It should be supported...
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It should be supported...
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I think QVGA resolution isn't supported...
I have been playing with my Galaxy Pro these past days. This is what i noticed.
1. Battery
I have an app called Battery indicator and OSMonitor which indicate the percentage of battery left. I charged the phone while it is switched off up to 100%. I switched it on without the plug. The app read 97%. And after five minutes, it dropped to 93%. Then it jumped to 87%. Then stayed 87% for a long time. I don't know what is the logic of these apps. Of course you cannot see the % in the notification bar. It just show the battery image, no percentage. So samsung might have intentionally not put the % so users will not complain. I will inform you later what is the actual time till it is dead.
2. Samsung IM App
Samsung is nice to include this. But only YM, Windows Messenger and Google talk? No Facebook?. Also, when using the app, you have no option to hide offline contacts.
3. Some apps cannot be seen in the Market
The reason could be that the app does not support the phone's resolution. I have android before and playing Words with friends. I cannot see this phone in the market.
I've heard ther's no kies support?
what does this mean?no updates?
I'm trying to understand if it's better value for money than the htc chacha
am sure chacha will be more expensive than galaxy pro. But 600Mhz processor? If the battery is significantly longer, I may shift.
Update regarding battery. In my third day of Galaxy pro, it passed 16hours of moderate to heavy use. This includes always online in Trillian (chat client with YM/FB)... Ocassional web surfing, sms.. No music/video yet as am still testing this as messenging machine...
I have my portable battery with me so i can charge it anywhere.. though, I home there will be a higher capacity battery available out there. 16hours of continous use is acceptable for me..