WLAN settings - JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development

Are there any different default settings for wifi between WM5 and WM6? I ask because I've two XDA Execs, one running WM5 and one WM6 yet they exhibit different behaviour:
WM5
Can see LAN on my WEP setup
Can see internet on my WEP setup
Can see internet on neighbour's unprotected Wifi
Can see internet on UMTS/GPRS
WM6
Can see LAN on my WEP setup
Can NOT see internet on my WEP setup
Can see internet on neighbour's unprotected Wifi
Can see internet on UMTS/GPRS
Now, I've not had to set up the router or WLAN stuff with specified MAC codes for the Nintendo Wii, Xbox, either XDA, etc.
So, what should I check?

LOL, now the WM5 mobile can't see the internet and the WM6 can!

Sounds more like an issue in your router/signal.
If it persists you could try changing your SSID's channel to 6 or 1 to avoid conflict?

Already on 6 iirc.
What should I suspect, though? I'm so teh n00b with wifi

xiasma said:
Already on 6 iirc.
What should I suspect, though? I'm so teh n00b with wifi
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Most come with 11 as standard, the trouble is that can mean conflict as they are all on the same wavelength, 1 and 6 mean you are completely off the same wavelength (whatever the technical explanation is) from 11 (and the other depending on what you choose).
Have a look at the local wifis you see, pick 1,6 or 11 depending on what isn't used near you.
Of course, someone may be using say 2, which overlaps with 1 quite a bit (and 6 a little), so 11 would be better, etc.

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who knows how i can set up my wifi?

i have been searching the internet for how to setup wifi on my new cingular 8525 and it was asking me about network key so please, HELP ME PEOPLE!!!
you have to supply your SSID (what your router is called or the router you want to connect to)
and then ´password if the connection is encrypted
Some questions to find out the answers to first.
1. What is the SSID of your router? Out-of-the-box routers are named things like "Linksys" and the like.
2. What kind of encryption is your router configured to use? This is why it is asking you for a key. Types that place nice with WM5:
WPA (good)
WEP128 (not so good)
WEP64 (not so good)
I have always had trouble getting WPA2 to work with all my pocket PCs. (WM3, WM5)
The nice thing about WPA is that you can use a regular pass-phrase for your password. With WEP, you are stuck using a 13 or 6(?) length string as your passphrase. Plus, WEP can be broken quite easily.
So, it sounds like you need to go back and configure your router, so you know what the SSID is, and what the passkey is.
Good luck.

WIFI problems related to WEP (and other encryptions) is hardware or software? HELP!!

I have spent the last week at work more focused on the XDA forum than what I am actually paid to do here at work...
I am so unproductive now, I am actually willing to donate to the forum if the forum can produce results, so that I can finally get back to work in peace!
I have thoroughly read through most relevant posts. I cannot find any specific post that solves the problem I have, so I decided to post anew, against some suggestions...
Anyway, the problem is that,
I cannot get any of my applications that are internet-dependent (skype, mail, weather etc) to access the WIFI connection that "apparently" looks connected, IF WEP (or any other encryption, for that matter) is enabled on the WIFI Router.
OK, what I mean by "apparently" is that the Wifi signal appears at its fullest, the lollipop on top of the screen with arrows is there, and even if I go into start>settings>Connections>wifi, it says that (my particular internet connection, named) Linksys is "connected".
The problem is, with wep encryption (and any other encryptions), it has worked once or twice. I cannot remember if that was before or after the Hard-SPL and radio downgrade (to get it unlocked) but ever since that "beginners luck" connection, I have had no success with connecting these apps to internet through WIFI.
First of all, I cannot figure out why, but I can connect by
1/ GPRS (the only available here in Vietnam - no 3G /HSDPA yet),
2/ with open connection and no encryptions of any kind by the WIFI router, my WIFI and Raphael connects fine. Data transfer happens.
The reality is, it is not very realistic for me to ask all others at work to make their WIFI connection with no security or encryptions..
So, having explained the situation, in a nutshell, problem is that by enabling excryption like WEP, the connection does not allow me to use WIFI on my raphael.
Is this hardware or software on Raphael side? or is it WIFI router side?
Other devices, including my TyTn II connects fine with WEP, which rules out the router, right?
I cannot remember if the problem started before or after OliPro unlock...
If it worked before but not now, there is of course always the possibility of hardware mulfunction, but since it works with no encryption, I am guessing it is hardware?
I have gone to other WIFI networks that are healthy, with other hand held devices happily connected to WIF, but nope...not me...
Any ideas guys?
WRT54G2 Wireless_G Router
DHCP Enabled,
Wireless network mode is set at mixed (both G and B, but by the way, I have tried only G and only B too, with no luck)
Channel set at 1, SSID enabled.
WM 6.1
ROM 3.14.731.04 JPN
Radio 1.10 Olinex
Protocol 52.35.25.21H
AFAIK, Raphael connects to WEP, WPA, WPA2(TKIP/AES)...
did you try deleting all the wifi settings and reconnecting?
or hard reset?
jewelkobayashi said:
I have spent the last week at work more focused on the XDA forum than what I am actually paid to do here at work...
I am so unproductive now, I am actually willing to donate to the forum if the forum can produce results, so that I can finally get back to work in peace!
I have thoroughly read through most relevant posts. I cannot find any specific post that solves the problem I have, so I decided to post anew, against some suggestions...
Anyway, the problem is that,
I cannot get any of my applications that are internet-dependent (skype, mail, weather etc) to access the WIFI connection that "apparently" looks connected, IF WEP (or any other encryption, for that matter) is enabled on the WIFI Router.
OK, what I mean by "apparently" is that the Wifi signal appears at its fullest, the lollipop on top of the screen with arrows is there, and even if I go into start>settings>Connections>wifi, it says that (my particular internet connection, named) Linksys is "connected".
The problem is, with wep encryption (and any other encryptions), it has worked once or twice. I cannot remember if that was before or after the Hard-SPL and radio downgrade (to get it unlocked) but ever since that "beginners luck" connection, I have had no success with connecting these apps to internet through WIFI.
First of all, I cannot figure out why, but I can connect by
1/ GPRS (the only available here in Vietnam - no 3G /HSDPA yet),
2/ with open connection and no encryptions of any kind by the WIFI router, my WIFI and Raphael connects fine. Data transfer happens.
The reality is, it is not very realistic for me to ask all others at work to make their WIFI connection with no security or encryptions..
So, having explained the situation, in a nutshell, problem is that by enabling excryption like WEP, the connection does not allow me to use WIFI on my raphael.
Is this hardware or software on Raphael side? or is it WIFI router side?
Other devices, including my TyTn II connects fine with WEP, which rules out the router, right?
I cannot remember if the problem started before or after OliPro unlock...
If it worked before but not now, there is of course always the possibility of hardware mulfunction, but since it works with no encryption, I am guessing it is hardware?
I have gone to other WIFI networks that are healthy, with other hand held devices happily connected to WIF, but nope...not me...
Any ideas guys?
WRT54G2 Wireless_G Router
DHCP Enabled,
Wireless network mode is set at mixed (both G and B, but by the way, I have tried only G and only B too, with no luck)
Channel set at 1, SSID enabled.
WM 6.1
ROM 3.14.731.04 JPN
Radio 1.10 Olinex
Protocol 52.35.25.21H
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I completely understand what you are going through & I am going to suggest something for you but the results might vary.
Make sure that Wi-Fi is turned off.
Open your Comm Manager | Settings | Wireless LAN.
When you're in the Wireless LAN Settings panel, select Power Mode.
Slide the selector to Best Performance.
Tap OK & when you're back in the Comm Manager, turn on the Wi-Fi adapter.
Setup your work connection & see if your internet connections work.
One thing to note, while this has resolved my connectivity problems, the settings are not always saved for some unknown reason.
So, be prepared to key in the settings again.
I resorted to everything , not leaving anything to chance, and did many things at once.
It is now fixed, it seems, but at great cost in terms of time, and I cannot be sure which one of these was actually helpful.
But I hard-reset the TP, as well as updating the firmware on both the modem and the WIFI router, and then did hard reset on them too...
I cannot judge on what turned out to be true on other peoples' TP, but for me at least, for both TyTn II and Touch Pro I am currently using, setting connection from "internet" to> "Work" did not help at all....
Thanks anyways...

Hidden SSID

WTF!! Anyone know hot to get the tablet to connect to a network with SSID hidden. Tried 3 routers, no deal. Running vegan 5.1, would swith back to TNT if necessary.
Thanks.
raggededge said:
WTF!! Anyone know hot to get the tablet to connect to a network with SSID hidden. Tried 3 routers, no deal. Running vegan 5.1, would swith back to TNT if necessary.
Thanks.
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I had a similar issue. I have two routers: The westell, it connected to no worries. The Cisco/Linksys I couldn't connect to to save my life. As soon as I let the ssid broadcast, it picked it up and connected. I can even re-hide it again, and it will connect.
I've tried a few ROM's on my Incredible, and the same thing. It connects to the Westell, no worries. But I have to broadcast the SSID for the phone to connect to the Linksys. It turns out Android is somewhat well-known for this. and I believe it to be a system issue, not specific to any ROM or branch.
In reality though, NOT broadcasting the SSID doesn't add much in the way of privacy. A script-kiddie with a WinMo 5 fone can find and connect to them. I used to use my Wizzie to find and connect to WiFi networks when I traveled. Just make sure you are using a secure connection like WPA2 or something.
Tell me about it it drives me insane!!! I'm using a dlink dsl-2740b with/ without MAC filter and i can't get it to find my hidden SSID.
did the kernel mod 2.6.32.28 - from pershoot still no go. Anyone else found a fix?
I'm running an old Linksys WRT54v1.1 with DD-WRT installed...
Non-Broadcast SSID, MAC Filtering, WPA2 -- no issues...
Worked for me right away....on all ROMs (so far) -- Stock, TnTLite, & Vegan...My phone has Cyanogenmod so I'd assume it will work as well...
I'd highly recommend DD-WRT as a new firmware for your Cisco/Linksys if it is a supported model...
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In reality though, NOT broadcasting the SSID doesn't add much in the way of privacy. A script-kiddie with a WinMo 5 fone can find and connect to them. I used to use my Wizzie to find and connect to WiFi networks when I traveled. Just make sure you are using a secure connection like WPA2 or something.
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I know it's totally not the point of this post but, exactly.
It in fact creates more problems than it does any type of good on any level at all because it makes it more trouble for you, the user to connect to your own network. Some chipsets have issues connecting to hidden SSIDs as well, as shows with the Tablet. Phones can have the problem too. Computers less so just because of the detailed configurations of the software.
You don't even have to be a script kiddie or hacker, there are easily downloaded, well known tools that show hidden SSIDs, along with mac addresses of any and all routers and also which sniff wifi signals. So pretty much anyone that knows more than how to check emails can get into your network if they need/want to and you're not using WEP. WEP is of course only a step up and still simple to get into with just that much more effort (not much, at all).
In these days and times in terms of privacy, if you're not at the very least using WPA with AES then just go ahead and leave it open.

[Q] Wi-Fi not working. Am I the only one?

Okay, a little about my setup. I have tested on Slim ICS 2.7, 2.9; Codename Android 1.4, 1.5.5; as well as AOKP (I dont know exact builds, but am on the latest now - build 28). I have a Cradlepoint MBR 1000 which is a b/g/n 4g router (though I only have cable hooked up - was bought originally to allow me to broadcast my Clear 4g service, but Clear doesnt work where I live now).
EVO 3D, iPhone 4s, All my laptops, HeroC, Kyocera Echo, Roku...I mean everything connects to my Wi-Fi EXCEPT my NS4G...WTH?
Does anyone else have this issue?...could it be some settings with the N router?...I cant believe everything but this phone works.
Please help. It is so frustrating to be limited to 3g that works intermittently while I am at home. I have all my apps from the Google Play backed up to my sdcard so I dont have to connect to install them...it is a huge pain. Thanks in advance
Need some more description. What settings do you have on the router, how have you tried to connect, does it connect then drop out, can you see the network at all, etc?
Either your phones wifi hardware is gone or your house.
So here's what you can do to narrow down on the problem.
Tell me if you can connect to any other wifi hotspots outside your house. If it does connect then problem is router if it doesn't than problem is with the phone.
Good luck.
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Does it detect any Wi-Fi networks at all?
Does it detect any Wi-Fi networks at all? or just can't make the connection
I have the same problem but only at home .I don't anderstand a lot about this, I change my rom with ice scream sandswich 4.0.4 it was working with 4.0.3. Where is the problem. Thanks for your help.
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shockem said:
Either your phones wifi hardware is gone or your house.
So here's what you can do to narrow down on the problem.
Tell me if you can connect to any other wifi hotspots outside your house. If it does connect then problem is router if it doesn't than problem is with the phone.
Good luck.
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Not necessarily. Setup of each router can change in numerous ways so as to stop certain devices from working, as can certain phone settings not allow connecting to certain routers. It is not quite so black and white, and we already know the router works.
daviki said:
I have the same problem but only at home .I don't anderstand a lot about this, I change my rom with ice scream sandswich 4.0.4 it was working with 4.0.3. Where is the problem. Thanks for your help.
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Sounds like a channel setting problem. Easiest way is to open up your router config and change the channel between 1 and 12 and this shouldn't happen again. Alternatively you could mess around with your build.prop.
Harbb is right, you might want to test several things within your router:
Change channels (use 1, 6 or 11-12)
Set it to only use on b/g connections (don't use n)
Different authentication methods (WPA2 with AES, etc)
And make sure you don't have a limit on your DHCP settings (just to make sure you don't have a ton of devices connected so it's not handing more IPs) or MAC filter.
Okay, sorry for not replying sooner. I posted this, then went to bed.
@Harbb:
It does see the network, lets me connect, put in the password, and says it is connected. It always says the connection is poor when I know it should be a good connection. The phone then shows the wifi icon and up and down arrows inside of the icon...I never see a portion of blue. When I try to download from the market, it will act like it is working, then the icon will disappear/reappear numerous times before it tell me there is not a connection.
As for my router setup. I do not know what information will help in this but here is some info: I do not have MAC filtering on, WISH is active (dont use it), WPA2 Only Personal AES (this is what I use), Channel 6 (I have tried channel 11 because I read somewhere the Wii needed 1 or 11 or one of my devices needed it), Transmission rate is Best, Channel is Auto 20/40 MHz, Mixed b/g/n (to utilize N and G, it has to be on this setting, there isn't an option for Mixed n/g), it is set on 192.168.0.x, NetBIOS mode type is Mixed (Broadcast then Point to Point).
@shockem I have not tested it with any other hotspot to see if it is just a problem with that router and this phone. I will try if I can find an open hotspot and let you know.
@Billchen0014 It does detect the network and connects, but drops it constantly...I cant even download a <1MB file from the market.
@Harbb (2) Going by your advice to daviki...it looks like I need to check another router. I go by a Starbucks, so I will try their hotspot...unless it isn't free, then Ill look around.
Thanks everyone who is helping me with this.
@Oogway, I will try G only and see what happens...if I use Mixed it has to be g/b or b/g/n. As for DHCP there is only 2 maybe 3 devices connected and No MAC filtering
Could it be the Wifi country code issue?
Is that something on the phone? Also, I tested different channels (1, 6, 11) as well as b/g and g only. Still no go.
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Thanks for the info. Test another hotspot (preferably one with a wpa2 password too if possible) and let us know. I'll reply later with some things to try as I gotta get going.
Okay, I did test one more thing. I sat right next to the router and it had full bars. Stayed full and my speed tests were great. Moved to where I sit on the couch about 30 walking steps away and no connection. I know the signal reaches because it is where I use laptops and other devices. The PS3 and Wii are further away and have no issue. It is not a clear path, but there aren't any doors between the router and the couch.
Just some more info...leading me to believe it is an issue with the phone. I get horrible service with Sprint also, so it may be connected. I don't know.
Any ideas? Is it just because of how far away I am?
Again, thanks everyone for the help. It has been so frustrating ever since I got the phone.
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Wifi Analyzer can give you a dB reading on the signal strength if you'd like to try that from a distance too. Wifi at uni likes to show low bars quite often, however alot of the time i have great signal and it shows through wifi analyzer. May not be related since uni is a peap connection, but worth a shot anywho. Might give another hint on whether you should seek out warranty or router settings.

encryption is not compatible RANT

I have all kinds of computers tablets and gadgets. I have had no problems connecting to my wireless network until the Microsoft Surface came along. My router is the Motorola NVG 510. It doesn't have many settings that can be changed. I am using WPA2 Personal AES and a password. The only way I can Connect My Surface to this network is to turn off encryption. l had the same problem with the Surface RT. .
Tried for 24 hours now to connect... AT & T Says the problem is Microsoft related and Microsoft blames AT & T . l GIVE UP!!. Returning the Surface and going to keep my Samsung Slate 7 . . . has Windows8- WiFi and 3G. . .
how the hell do AT&T come into your wireless settings?
SixSixSevenSeven said:
how the hell do AT&T come into your wireless settings?
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It is AT&T's router. I have Uverse and this is the one they gave us.Motorola should be who i call if anyone but the problem is Microsoft's ..All others have no problem connecting
shEEEsh said:
I have all kinds of computers tablets and gadgets. I have had no problems connecting to my wireless network until the Microsoft Surface came along. My router is the Motorola NVG 510. It doesn't have many settings that can be changed. I am using WPA2 Personal AES and a password. The only way I can Connect My Surface to this network is to turn off encryption. l had the same problem with the Surface RT. .
Tried for 24 hours now to connect... AT & T Says the problem is Microsoft related and Microsoft blames AT & T . l GIVE UP!!. Returning the Surface and going to keep my Samsung Slate 7 . . . has Windows8- WiFi and 3G. . .
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Never had an issue with any form of encryption with the Surface RT - it's got the standard windows 8 wifi stack and connects to anything I throw at it, including WPA2/AES.
Not sure why you're having an issue, but you haven't given us much to go on for troubleshooting.
And getting a real router isn't possible?
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And getting a real router isn't possible?
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Apparently this (MOTOROLA NVG510) router is the only one I can use in my area with U-Verse.
Thats bull. Is it a combo router/modem? If so you should still be able to hook up a wireless router off of that if it has at least one ethernet port.
see thats what BT claimed when they installed BT infinity at my grandparents but we dont have the stock router running off of it
Thanks for the suggestions. I returned the Surface. I don't know enough about routers and modems to install anything else or even how to buy something else. On the other hand. Annoys me that every gadget I own (and there are many) connects with no problem EXCEPT the surface.
diane
Your router is old. Something is probably interfering with the Surface Pro's connectivity. Your SP's wifi card isn't busted if it can connect without encryption. It shouldn't have a problem. I'd suggest ditching the modem's wifi and buying a router and using that instead for wifi and leave the modem alone.
99% sure it's a setting in your router that's causing you to not be able to connect a new device through wifi.
First port of call when having wifi issues is to remove all encryption/security settings and have it as a fully open network, if that works then slowly add security/encryption until you find out where it falls over, worse case scenario is a network that appears to be open but uses MAC address filtering to keep people out.
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First port of call when having wifi issues is to remove all encryption/security settings and have it as a fully open network, if that works then slowly add security/encryption until you find out where it falls over, worse case scenario is a network that appears to be open but uses MAC address filtering to keep people out.
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the problem was for sure the modem. There are no settings to tweak... It's gotta be the worst modem on the planet-but then U.verse doesn't feel any faster than my old ATT DSL connection. I asked to have my DSL back and ATT said that was not an option. ATT told me this modern is the only one for my area. Maybe it is time I looked into Brighthouse. I am sure there is a way around that modem but in my frustration I returned the Surface. Very sure I will buy another Surface . . I still have my Samsung Slate 7 with Windows 8... Another plus is it has a 3G connection. the more I use Windows 8 the more I like it, wish the Slate was a bit smaller.
Wireless encryption is done router side rather than modem side. You can use the ISP's modem and the connect it to an aftermarket router without issue. Its impossible for the ISP to prevent that. If its a combo modem and router then it is still possible to do.
All routers must have settings, unless you mean it has limited settings.
I've lucked out personally. My ISP's free router isn't the best on the planet but as a freeby is great. Full range of settings. Its a combo modem/router in one but I haven't had issues with that and it is perfectly happy for me to plug other routers into it (which I did once as an ethernet extension cable of sorts, otherwise my other routers are inferior) or according to a friend who used to be on the same ISP it quite happily connects to other modens and acts as a router perfectly fine still.
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Wireless encryption is done router side rather than modem side. You can use the ISP's modem and the connect it to an aftermarket router without issue. Its impossible for the ISP to prevent that. If its a combo modem and router then it is still possible to do.
All routers must have settings, unless you mean it has limited settings.
I've lucked out personally. My ISP's free router isn't the best on the planet but as a freeby is great. Full range of settings. Its a combo modem/router in one but I haven't had issues with that and it is perfectly happy for me to plug other routers into it (which I did once as an ethernet extension cable of sorts, otherwise my other routers are inferior) or according to a friend who used to be on the same ISP it quite happily connects to other modens and acts as a router perfectly fine still.
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We already tried to tell him that and he wouldnt listen.
>We already tried to tell him that and he wouldnt listen.
OP's name is Diane.
Secondly, as posted in the OP, the device is a Motorola NVG 510. A 10-second lookup would show that it's a combined ADSL2+router, and it's not a simple matter of swapping out a router. Combined-function devices are SOP for leased models, since it saves the company money over having two boxes.
http://google.com/search?q=Motorola+NVG+510
It's a Surface problem. The user shouldn't be expected to mess with things like router settings and learn to be a geek. The device in question is obviously in popular use, and it's up to MS to get it right. The OP did the correct thing in returning the Surface.
However, for those with more tech savvy, the above search produces this help page for the modem+router,
http://www.ron-berman.com/2011/11/24/motorola-nvg510-help-page-for-att-u-verse-users/
which has both the manual and more importantly, a FAQ to troubleshoot connection issues, and links to more appropriate forums to ask further questions on this particular topic.
As I said, even on a combo unit you can use a different router. As long as the new router can recieve internet from any other device via ethernet all you do is connect it to the ISPs router. It will then share that connection. Yes your ISP's router will still be broadcasting but so will the new 3rd party one, you just connect to that. This is a configuration I have tested with a BT homehub and some ****ty Netgear.
To access the new routers settings, unplug it from the ISPs router first and then access the settings in the normal way. or if you can find the new local IP for the additional router you can use that.
>As I said, even on a combo unit you can use a different router. As long as the new router can recieve internet from any other device via ethernet all you do is connect it to the ISPs router. It will then share that connection.
Either the new router has to be reconfig'ed into an AP, or the old router needs to be disabled. Can't have both routers active. Likewise, the old wifi needs to be disabled, or the new one reconfigured that they don't conflict. Regardless, it's not plug and play. Either or both units would need configuration.
The household Internet router is the single most critical piece of equipment there is, because if the user messes up, s/he loses Internet access ENTIRELY and access to any further help. Without local help, that may mean several days' downtime and an expensive bill for onsite repair. I would NEVER, EVER tell a non-tech user to reconfigure his/her router, especially when the person said "I don't know enough about routers and modems to install anything else or even how to buy something else."
Everyone here has good intentions and want to help. Then, the first thing to helping is to listen to what is said, and gauge the person's comfort level with tech. No one even bothered to check up on the OP's router model.
The OP has a stable, working setup. Anything that jeopardizes that setup is bad advice, not unless you are willing to foot the onsite service cost for the person. The preferred solution is to remove the known-problem component, which in this case is the Surface.
PS: A long shot is to go into the Surface's Device Manager, select the Properties tab of the wifi card, and muck around with the advanced settings (if there are any).
You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
That said, if you wanted port forwarding and such to work smoothly, it *would* be best to turn off DHCP and NAT on the inner router. However, that's not necessary to simply get Internet access via the router.
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You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
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Which is precisely what I originally said.
I have daisy chained a cheap as **** netgear router to my BT homehub without any setting changes at all. I was actually using it as an ethernet extension cable pretty much, I didnt have a single cable long enough so I plugged one between the homehub/main router and the netgear and one between the netgear and a raspberry pi. Would you look at that, my laptop can connect to the netgear and get internet access from it, the pi also connects via its ethernet port perfectly.
My grandparents use a set of homeplugs, how do they connect? daisy chaining.
One of my mates has 3 ethernet devices in one room but only one LAN port drilled into the wall (he had an electrician out once to actually have LAN sockets fitted in a few rooms). Solution: cheap wireless router connected to the LAN port in the wall. Other devices connected to the router. Router had 6 ports so he still has 2 left over. Devices connect to it fine. Originally it was default settings but he has since gone and disabled the routers wifi as he doesnt use it.
That said. I came across a linksys unit once which refused to be used as an access point of any kind. But that was only once.
>You can totally daisy-chain routers using their default settings. Not sure why you would think otherwise...
Having nested routers (ie segmenting the network) is a prescription for myriad network problems in the hands of a non-tech user. Again, listen to what the OP said, rather than assume everyone is a geek who knows what DHCP and NAT means, let alone how to change them.
Even if the OP can get the new router configured and running properly, the potential for problem remains. When ISP service goes down, the ISP tech will remote troubleshoot the leased equipment (the old router), since that's the ISP's responsibility. With user equipment attached, troubleshooting responsibility passes on to the user, which the OP has stated in no uncertain terms that she's not capable of.
The point isn't to get Internet access. The OP already has Internet access. The point is to get the Surface to connect to the network, but NOT AT THE EXPENSE of adding networking complications that the OP can't handle.
>I have daisy chained...
This suffices for simple Internet access, until you run into programs or devices that break because of the multiple redirections. I doubt UPNP/DLNA works on nested NATs. Ditto discovery. Devices/periphs on one network segment won't be able to connect to those on another segment.
The wifi will work, but given that most 2.4GHz wifi default to channel 1 or 6, it will likely conflict with the old wifi and work POORLY when both are active.

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