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Cross fingers everybody!

Let's just all hope it all works with wm2k5 for our magicians, so we can rest in peace

Hi!
I just sent a pm to Buzz and asked him to release the rom. Now we have to wait for his answer. So I will cross my fingers too, maybe we will be able to install WM2005 today! I can´t wait any longer.

Guys, I don't think there's any need to PM buzz.
I'm sure he's had more than one PM saying "I'll help you test it". You know the guy works as fast as super-humanly possible, so let him get on with it and don't make him respond to PMs.
some news would be nice tho! Can't say I ever thought we'd see the day, but there's no reason why it shouldn't be available, given the recent leaks...
All appendages duly crossed in anticipation...
V

no news yet

Oh man, i won´t be buzz - I think he gets a ton of mails like send me the wm2k5...
@buzz
By the ways, what means no news yet?

NO NEWS YET means that unfortunately the guy is not giving us any further information. That meaning he's not able or he does not want to tell us anything else on this subject.
That 'YET' at the end of the sentence makes me look forward to reading a reply from him in the near future. Whether positive or not I don't know.
I couldn't translate it any better !
(considering that English is not my mother-tongue )

guys.. after all those roms are illegal as you know those thing appear and from nowhere and nobody should know where it came from
just wait a few hours,days,weeks and it will be on your favorite ftp server

This will hopefully be the place to be ....
1) Go to http://buzzdev.net
2) Login (IMPORTANT)
3) Click on Downloads » Magician » ROMs » Windows Mobile 2005
... or if you're already a member, simply go here and press F5 as fast as you can ...
http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=83&Itemid=32

Nothing there yet...

...and still nothing... (((

Buzz can u tell us what's the main problem? u don't have the rom yet or there are some problems with it?

Please relax everybody, Buzz has kids, a beautiful wife that let him work on the BA2005 rom at night . So give him time on removing keys etc from the original rom dump so that it wont be the last leaked rom that we get.....

Well afaik the guy who got the wm5 rom and buzz made a deal, buzz send another guy to get the rom coz the owner of the rom has a crappy internet connection and had a serious injury. and it looks like they both live in different countries so it will take some time to get the rom finally in his hands. so we all now wait for further news about it. its exciting tho waiting like this :lol: good luck to u all.
::adit

I believe buzz has been working on blueangel's wm5 last week, and i'm really impressed with the work done by buzz. He actually the hero of BA WM5, so I believe buzz will help you guys at his best as well.
That's all I wanna say
Thanks for the BA WM5 (buzz, rudra, mamaich, and all other people who are involved)

candrat said:
Thanks for the BA WM5 (buzz, rudra, mamaich, and all other people who are involved)
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And in near future (by God will only) we will say:
Thanks for the Magician WM5 (buzz, raport, "the anonymous who travel to raptor to get the rom").
Plz all of u relax and don't push on the hero "buzz" and raptor (pray for sake of his illness) they do their best. few days ago, all of us were having no hope ragrding wm5 on our magician, now they gave us some light of hope. So, we must thank them and waith them to make this hope a realistic thing. They are volunteers and we don't pay them for that work, and they have all of the tools of the play. So, please don't scratch their sensitive skin. I am sure that they will not delay one minute intentionally more than the actual time required for the work, they have enough idea about how we eager and in great need for this rom. If u cannot wait silent under that great excitement, so, may u post some encouraging words only, or ask a reasonable questions for raport, but as buzz told in the locked thread, those who does not beleieve that the rom is present, please return to ur ordinary work, and when it become realistic, we will invite u to take it peacefully.
A last question for raptor, is the magician of the person who gave u the rom, was 64 memory or uograded to 128. Thanks a lot.

I really wish I could ask what the status is, but I'm scared that I'll be misinterpreted as unpatient/ungrateful/sceptic, when in actual fact I'm not!

Oh dear! Not enough that Buzz has enough to do in working om WM5 roms (with great experience and sucsess). His homepage crashed today. So not only cross fingers for our WM5 rom. Let`s cross our fingers that Buzz soon will bring up his great homepage again. So don`t worry Buzz, everything will go fine soon 8) .
Thanx for your great work

It's becoming VERY quiet on the subject.......

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It's becoming VERY quiet on the subject.......
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Patience is a virtue. :wink:

Patience is a virtue...
Sure is ! ..... and we are all virtual....

Is there a fresh news about Raptorz WM5.0 saga?

Is there a fresh news about Raptorz WM5.0 saga?
I think for this time this mythical ROM can be transfered by speed 1byte/hour. So...
(found in internet space)
Oooh, fellas.
I have a WM5.0 on my Magician (friend of my friend brother, that working in HTC flash it), but i live in a small village. There is no internet, so i can't upload it. There is no post office like a DHL/FedEx/UPS... And i want to tell you more - there is no electricity and cellular providers... But i REALY HAVE IT!
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For god's sake, get over it. If it comes, great. If not, tough. What was the point to your post? Why would you bother writing this when the main thread was locked and there's another one still going?
MODS!! DELETE ME!!!! PLEASE!! (I mean this topic, not me totally!)

I just want to know - is there news.
It has been bad joke or a new hope? It's all.
I'm WAITING for WM5.0 ROM like you.

Great quote.
For all of the stfu ppl, this is a forum, remember?!
Let people talk!
If AlexXF thought it would be a relevant question to him to ask for the rom, he can ask it. If you don't like the topic, don't reply to it.
It would die if you don't.

I think one can ask whatever question he likes as long as he/she does not offend anyone else on this board.
And after 2 weeks, if asked politely, I don't see anything wrong in asking for an update. People ask so many stupid questions on other stuff, what's the surprise if someone asks for progress on such a HUGE thing?
And jimmy-bish, couldn't you just ignore such threads if they don't interest you? I found AlexF's post more interesting than yours!
Should I just ask the mods to delete your threads if they are of no use or interest to me then? Visit other forums and you'll find these type of discussions on daily basis? Does this have that, will we have this upgrade, etc? There's no "police" shutting their mouths up.

Everybody on this forum is ASKING for the ROM.
None is OFFERING the Rom.
So, if you don't have anything to OFFER than please stop ASKING.
This will be showing you have at least a bit of respect for the people that are working trying to do something to satisfy YOUR laziness not to provide this ROM to the community.

Hope is dying but then, hope of course, is nothing to do with whether Raptor has the ROM or not. But all the same, after arranging a pickup and such like, it appears Buzz has not been getting any further contact from Raptor (see Buzz' website: buzzdev). So either the project is dead in the water (i.e. it never really existed), or Raptor has been unable to get in touch due to whatever reason. It could be one or the other.

unlockMe said:
Everybody on this forum is ASKING for the ROM.
None is OFFERING the Rom.
So, if you don't have anything to OFFER than please stop ASKING.
This will be showing you have at least a bit of respect for the people that are working trying to do something to satisfy YOUR laziness not to provide this ROM to the community.
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SOMEONE OFFERED THE ROM AND PEOPLE ARE JUST ASKING IF THIS OFFER CAN STILL BE HONOURED.
TALKING ABOUT LAZINESS, IF I WAS LAZY I WOULDN'T BE POSTING LENGHTY POSTS TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE WITH VARIOUS PROBLEMS THAT I THINK I COULD HELP THEM WITH.
AND WHENEVER I DO SOMETHING FOR MYSELF (EG ANIMATED CONTACT PICS, THEMES, ETC.) I'M THE FIRST ONE TO COME AND POST THEM HERE. SO IF YOU WERE REFERRING TO ME WHEN YOU USED THE WORD LAZY, KINDLY APOLOGISE.
AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO JUST VISIT THE FORUM TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET SOMETHING BUT NEVER GIVE ANYTHING ... GO FIND YOURSELVES A WINDOWS MOBILE DOWNGRADE AND LEAVE US ALONE!!!!
(Aplogies to everyone else who had to read my crap but comments like this infuriate me!)

I'm a bit more calm now ...
@unlockme, aren't you the same guy who called Gora (the guy who gave Himlaya users the WM5 ROM) a lamer?
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Minotavrs you're right, this is just bull****.
If you lookup the first screenshot, it reports 24.38MB of memory, hence obviously a smartphone.
Then, this guy shows picture of an himalaya device (by the way the picture on the wooden desktop is taken from a web site that has a review on XDA II). On these picture, it reports 128MB (normal size for a XDA II).
on my XDA II when I go the Settings / System / About it reports 125.86MB.
Don't loose your time giving credit to this lamer.
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If you owned a Himalya, I bet you made good use of the ROM!

we all know originally there is no WM2005 ROM for Magician. so i hate to know that and i hate peoples who are saying they have WM2005 ROM for Magician and run away with no ****ing any news about their activities...
after wasting long time to wait for it... i will not Download it or Flash my Magician even if it out after my post coz there will come soon alot of cool Phones with WM2005 and more better than Magician.... so guys save your time and go sell your Magicians to get newer one... NOT BUGGY one like XDA II WM2005
this is the life don't loose it

NightmarE said:
we all know originally there is no WM2005 ROM for Magician. so i hate to know that and i hate peoples who are saying they have WM2005 ROM for Magician and run away with no ****ing any news about their activities...
after wasting long time to wait for it... i will not Download it or Flash my Magician even if it out after my post coz there will come soon alot of cool Phones with WM2005 and more better than Magician.... so guys save your time and go sell your Magicians to get newer one... NOT BUGGY one like XDA II WM2005
this is the life don't loose it
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CHILL!

cool thread 8) at least now theres a dedicated thread for complains rather than filling up the previous ones which keeps the updates as well 8) i hate it when i see the thread abt news i'm eager at sets itself to "update" and find out the update is nothing but complain, seriously
::adit

Hello all!
I’ve been reading all posts regarding this “famous” WM5 Magician ROM and has so, I’ve decided to post a small (made up) story about this situation. I hope you like it
The High Skilled liar
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Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sirs,
I’ve noticed that you’re looking for someone high skilled with a PhD, for a position has a Technical Director / CTO on your company. Has so, i’ve taken the liberty of sending you my resumé which i think, fulfils your requirements.
Best regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your excellent resumé. We are very interested on meeting you and as so, we would like to have a small meeting on next Wednesday. Please don’t forget to bring along your PhD sealed certification.
Best regards,
A.
Response Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sir,
Unfortunately I’ve lost my PhD sealed certification. But i’m free to meet up with you on Wednesday.
Best regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
I’m afraid that we really need to see your original sealed PhD certification, since this position is of great importance. Since your resumé has exactly what we are looking for, we are willing to wait a few days for you, while you get your new copy of the original PhD diploma from your university ABC.
Best regards,
A.
Response Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sirs,
Unfortunately, my wife got sick and requires 24hs attention during this month. She has injured her spine and I can’t leave her alone for too long. And has so, i don’t have time for getting a new certificate due to that. So if you’re willing to accept my candidacy without the PhD, I might have a few minutes to meet you up.
Best regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
I understand your situation but our company has a strict policy about contracting persons that are proven to be certified. Since your resumé caused a great impression on us, we decided to contact the University ABC that you have pointed, so to figure out a way of solving this situation. Unfortunately we couldn’t get any response about your diploma (no one knew you). We also have obtained the information that you can request it by phone, and that it will be mailed to your home. We will continue to wait for you a few days more.
P.S.: We hope that your wife is feeling better.
Best regards,
A.
Response Letter from a unemployed guy:
Dear Sirs,
Thank you for your caring. I have had another situation…I’ve contacted my university but they can’t find my certificate anywhere. I’m sorry but I can’t send it to you. Besides, my car has broken and it’s hard to go meet you since there’s no easy transportation to your company. Has so, I’m must decline this proposal. Thank you for your time.
Regards,
B.
Response letter from company YXZ
Dear Sir,
Has our last offer, we are willing to meet with you at your university, if you can spare a few minutes ( btw, we hope that your wife is feeling better now) where we will sort out this situation. We just need a proof that you have a PhD, and we will accept you for the CTO position. Please, just name the day and time and we will meet there.
Regards,
A
..Needless to say, that company YXZ never got a response.
Cheers

Keeper: AMAZING!
Ehehehe. Best regards I'm still LOL for the great analogy.
Let's now keep talking about the injured woman now. That's all that matter.
And
we all know originally there is no WM2005 ROM for Magician. so i hate to know that and i hate peoples who are saying they have WM2005 ROM for Magician and run away with no ****ing any news about their activities...
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This is exactly the point why some of us are ****i'n mad.
If I was the one that came here and post "hey, I have wm5" I was commiting myself to give you some news. If I don't want to give news in the first place, I would talk directly to Buzz, as he was the guy that had the skills and the respect from the community. I think this is common sense: if you dont want to reply to questions, why the heck are you opening a topic to lauch doubt and uncertain?! Don't post it. Do something with your software that is productive, instead of talking to us, comunity.
If you really have the rom, the comunity would be better served if you STFU and send the rom to buzz in the first place (without even posting about it).
I'm now waiting here for the next raptor show up, when he will bash us because of our ingratitude, and how painfull this quest is getting to him.

If ur imagination is true, so, u will never see Raptor again, and most probably, he is surfing our forum now under a new name and reads ur posts with great fun and laughing. Now, we need Colombo (the detective) to follow the new members that joined the forum since the disappearence of raptorz and investigates all their posts, way of wriring and IPs and comparing it with that of raptors to discover his new name and give him a great kik outside the forum.
Anyway, thank u raports, u gave us some fun and brain storming and opend our imaginations.
N.B. Another senario that if were right i will feel too shame, is that raptor is now resting in a bed in a hospital somewhere in london under a salping to support his spine and cannot move by any way to write to us.

kta said:
And jimmy-bish, couldn't you just ignore such threads if they don't interest you? I found AlexF's post more interesting than yours!
... Visit other forums and you'll find these type of discussions on daily basis? Does this have that, will we have this upgrade, etc? There's no "police" shutting their mouths up.
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Funny, I've visited and am a member of many other forums and in each of them, the members seem to be smart enough to wait patiently for an answer. Have a read through the thread, if there's no news, move on. I am also a moderator of one of the forums, and I haven't had to delete a single post about this subject as there aren't as many clowns who keep asking.
AND... one of your so called "police" happens to be Buzz, who locked the first WM5 thread as he got sick of the flaming! Fine job that did as all the clowns just created new threads. Doesn't that tell you something?

Yeah.
We are the ones to blame, the bad guys.
The person who came here and say "hey, I have wm5 on my magician" but never give us back answers or the actual rom and was always giving us different excuses (hey, people that have kids have time for them, and people with serious injury would not take the effort to came to the internet to not give us nothing) and responding on another forums (this one blows the "maybe raptor is in hopsital and don't have internet there stuff) and refused to upload via ftp because he already has a meet with raptor messenger (he didn't give the address, so what meet was it?!) is the person that deserve respect, care, and the title of the good guy.
You already knew what was this topic about. It's title is a forbidden question. If you people were smart, you should notice it is not a pleasent topic to you guys. Why the heck you keep reading a thing you don't want too? Move along, read the other topics. Let the bashers bash. It is only ONE topic. People are not taking a lot of space on xda-dev database.
Remember: you cannot control other people from posting, but you can control you so yourself can abstain from reading this post.
Why don't you do a "how's raptor health" topic? I think that would interest most of the users on the forum, so... this topic would die because of no replies.
People are constantly bashing things: broken firmwares, no support, HTC! Why can't we bash, or doubt, or whatever we want, if we discuss with correctness and without violence?
Funny thing is: people still think we don't see a wm5 rom because of the raptors injury. Maybe he is dead... He couldn't even upload a 25mb file, but he still keeped saying he was taking a huge effort to get us the file. Why didn't he upload just the first bytes of the rom?! With ftp, if he tried, at least buzz would get that info (well, if their crappy bt connection could send 416bytes on one connection... but maybe it would hang). Think this: will you still use gsm when this magic rom travel from raptor pocket to buzz? Guess not.
PS: remember that the censored guy told raptor the rom was an update to jam users, from club-imate? were on club-imate do you see the rom?
-> I keep waiting for raptor to came here and bash us ranters. he will say: "i'm sorry for being injured and for have a 3mth old kid, and you are all ungratefull". been there, saw that.

well, i think we are watching a DRAMA Movie which its title is:
"Pathetic Raptor's life and WM2005"
if i can get this WM2005 ROM i will not post any **** until i make sure that i can put my hands on it
to Raptor's People "Don't post any **** before you clean it" :x
Best regards for guys who are still waiting... :wink:

rjdt said:
You already knew what was this topic about. It's title is a forbidden question. If you people were smart, you should notice it is not a pleasent topic to you guys. Why the heck you keep reading a thing you don't want too? Move along, read the other topics.
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Oh how boring would that be, just looking up information for my Jam, seeking help, giving help in return... blah blah blah.....
Simple fact, I love these flame wars. I really don't have an opinion either way on the whole Raptorz thing, but I'm having a really good chuckle while stirring people up! I suppose it's an Australian thing.. we all enjoy taking the piss! :lol:
And there's nothing wrong with a healthy debate... I'll let you get up on your high horse, and then I'll shoot it! :lol: :lol:

Keeper, amazing! LOL! Copied to my LJ. Thanks for a good joke.
NightmarE, you so right!
I think, there is a another way to upgrade - sell Magician and buy Atom or another new phone with WM5.0 and WiFi. It will be better.
For me personal, i'll be waiting for WM5.0 before Christmass, than just upgrade the phone

thread for begging mun to release new rom

Lets join hands and beg mun to release a wizard WM6 Build OS 5.2.1413 rom to us.
Get it rolling people.
***please try to be nice no insults***

He will roll the ROM out when it is ready.
Begging is useless.

what real differences are between older one(hmm actual) and that u mentioned?

its a newer build he ported from universal rom on chinese forum(bbs.pda)

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You know, i asked about REAL advantages... i have feeling, that "new" is too old for some people already....cause "newer" leaked...
just asked..
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why?

beka said:
its a newer build he ported from universal rom on chinese forum(bbs.pda)
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I ported it from original JPN rom (not from uni). I think i fixed all bugs that Ive find. And when I'll have a chance to upload it, i'll do it.
I think that other person who promised to release his "own" new rom just speculated with news of my release.
As for new features:
-Office Mobile 2007
-Modem Link (in additional to Internet Sharing)
-New versions of system files
-System is more stable and fast ..etc

thanks mun i will be very grateful if u could upload it today as i am travelling to a place with no internet access tommorow for 2weeks
please i would take it as a very big favour thank

thanks mun i will be very grateful if u could upload it today as i am travelling to a place with no internet access tommorow for 2weeks
please i would take it as a very big favour thanks

spasibo for exhaustive answer...anyway.......

wat is spaibo

spasiba. Thank you in russian.
mUn please upload it today IF oyu get a chance my man. I'm in a desperate need of a new ROM.

Yeahhh mun...
Give us your new rom....
Best regards and good work...

mun is a genius i have loked at the dopod 900 rom for 2 weeks with absolutely no idea on how to port it.
i think he should put up a donate link for his time and effort we owe him alot for his mun artm os build 5.2.968 rom and this new one we are expecting.

Ruca said:
Yeahhh mun...
Give us your new rom....
Best regards and good work...
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What the hell, I saw the title and thought to myself "no way, surely no-one is that impatient" but obviously I am wrong.
I can tell you were obviously dragged up with no manners, what happened to "please" and "thank you" jesus....This generation really needs help.
mUn has no reason at all not to release it when it is done, so for gods sake go play with your toys for a few days and wait patiently!
Xda-Developers? Considering <5% are actually contributing, you may want to rethink the name.
I dont mean to flame but seriously guys, show some respect for this guy.

Whiterat said:
What the hell, I saw the title and thought to myself "no way, surely no-one is that impatient" but obviously I am wrong.
I can tell you were obviously dragged up with no manners, what happened to "please" and "thank you" jesus....This generation really needs help.
mUn has no reason at all not to release it when it is done, so for gods sake go play with your toys for a few days and wait patiently!
Xda-Developers? Considering <5% are actually contributing, you may want to rethink the name.
I dont mean to flame but seriously guys, show some respect for this guy.
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dude if u can read before u post u can see that he says it is ready all that is left is to upload it.
You can be helpful by being thankful to this great guy for all he has done for us

beka said:
dude if u can read before u post u can see that he says it is ready all that is left is to upload it.
You can be helpful by being thankful to this great guy for all he has done for us
mun i will be very grateful if u could upload it today as i am travelling to a place with no internet access tommorow for 2weeks
please i would take it as a very big favour thank
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Ok, then hopefully you already left for 2 weeks...

LOL ))))
I live far from fast internet.. so when i'll got fast connection, i'll upload new rom. As i said before, it would base rom, without any customization

What are the chances you can upload the
WIZA200: wm6_(5.2.1413_17913_3.0_PRO)_full_customized??
{Mouth watering}.........

mun_rus said:
LOL ))))
I live far from fast internet.. so when i'll got fast connection, i'll upload new rom. As i said before, it would base rom, without any customization
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Sorry to hear this....
Looking forward to your latest masterpiece.

Please suggest me rom.

Hi mates. i am using Business pro v7 rom.
its good but some times mobile stuck and start viberate continuesly. and also some little issues.
can anyone suggest me the best bug free or less bug rom. for my O2 XDA EXEC.
i love the black edition. but dont know from where to download.
please suggest me the best rom with minimum bugs.
Kind regards

Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322002

@ruk_design
This is real bad day for us. ruk, just take a quick glance at the universal mobile 6 page ATM. You can easily see the link, "the ultimate guide to choose wm6 rom." Flex your brain nerves a little. They won't complain
PS: Oh yeah, just in case, if its not there on the front page, there is a nice function on this nice forum called "Search", which is just waiting to be used by you

Hi dear mates. thanks for you suggestion.
actually i already test many roms and also official rom.
as well as kdskamal. beautiful edition
and now using business rom v7.
once i found someone posted a lot of screenshots of a black edition. i like it.
but i am really looking for some bug free version of any rom.
i know all roms have some issues. so i am just looking for the rom with minimum issues.
as u mentioned the guide. i already searched eevrything. that why at the end i am taking your suggestions
cause i am a user and u people are developers thats why its xda-developers and i am just taking the openion of
you people. so dont be angry
Kind regards

Unfortunately, the only "bug-free" ROMs are the WM5 roms from the manufacturers

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Unfortunately, the only "bug-free" ROMs are the WM5 roms from the manufacturers
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"bug-free" & "WinBlows" are opposites, no M$ OS has ever had the "bug-free" status, the closest ones to this situation where (yes, I really mean it) M$-Dos and NT4.X, might that be the reason why those two were discontinued?
So, think about a really nice working, bug-free OS, what should all those people at M$ do?
Just now they are chasing the Linux people, c'mon...
And, appart from passionate discussions, to program such a complex piece of sw is not an easy task, add the fact that much of those "lonely stars" "hackers" think about taking down a M$ sw, to use a very funny (yet a profound truth) expression that I saw in one of those "PC Tech Magazines"
"For those (hackers) people, to take down WinBlows is like a Jedi taking down the Death Star".
Just my two cents, and I hope that my english does not make laugh too loud to our english native talkers, as I have seen today, We (non native english talkers) are making little pieces of this languaje.
Cheers everybody

Creating Windows Mobile 6 ROMs

Hello,
I wanted to ask is it legal to create WM6 ROMs for the HTC Wizard . Thnx in advance .

We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question

funkadesi said:
We are not CREATING ROMS, we are EDITING them to our needs and specifications.. for instance u dont like something that comes in the rom, or u want to add something to the rom (thus saving u space, for storage and Program) you just EDIt the rom.... by using the kitchens and packages.. hope i have answered your question
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Sorry but still my questions remains but a changed a bit now, IS EDITING ROMS TO OUR NEEDS ILLEGAL? Thnx to funkadesi.

i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.

Why Does It Matter???
I'm curious why it matters so much. Fact is, for the Wizard, we would not and never will have a true WM6...and frankly, I could care less if I have a cooked rom, especially since my rom is better than what I would get from Tmo...who also will not provide any updates. So if I am to be held to pay for a new device for hundreds of dollars to have a WM6 rom, or use one of XDA's talented chef/developer's rom's...well hands down, I will stick with xda. If that makes me illegal, screw it. I refuse to use the crappy stock Tmo WM5 rom that came on my device...it is slow and buggy and needed daily rebooting. The only time my phone gets a reboot now is when I have to do it for a program install or uninstall. My beloved Jaguar is so dependably stable...I will never go back to a stock rom!!
I honestly do not know the ethics/morality behind cooking a rom, and really don't care either!! All I know is that XDA has given more to the "Wizarding" community than M$, Tmo, AT&T or any of those other greedy bastards ever have or ever will. I sleep just fine at night despite my use of NTS's rom.
Tell me this...let's say you bought a designer suit, but it didn't quite fit right...would tailoring it to your needs be in some violation? You bought the suit, you need it to fit you, so you modify to do so.
I bought the MDA. Someone somewhere also bought a device with WM6...it got tailored to my needs. Not point by point the same thing as my suit example, but since M$ refuses to produce a WM6 for a my device, why should I be punished and forced to buy a different device when my Wizard works so well?? Why buy another suit to wear when you can simply get the one you have tailored to fit you?

xsbeats said:
i would say this with some certainty, but maybe a senior member can correct me:
to edit a ROM to your own specifications and put on your device for your own personal use is not illegal, as long as the method by which the original rom was obtained was not illegal.
to edit a ROM and redistribute it to others likely crosses a legal line.
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I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .

xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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See, now more info is coming out from you. You are not wondering if it is illegal...you are wondering if posting a cooked rom on YOUR WEBSITE illegal. That would be something for the mods to answer...
I do not know the legality behind it, but XDA developers share their rom's here. Now I think if you tried to SELL a cooked rom, you could definately end up in some legal issues.

basically it doesn't really matter if it's illegal or not, it's nothing that will ever come back to you...
picture this...a cop jumps out of his car and is on fire, and you pee on him to put the fire out...yeah, you pee'd on a cop, but you also saved his life. lol, that probably proved nothing, but i found it kind of funny. basically it may be illegal it may not be, but nothing will ever come of it, so i wouldn't even ponder on it too much

All I'd say is that you make sure the rom you post is your work...because if you post another cook's rom without their permission or without giving them the credit, you will most probably have a pissed off XDA developer on your ass...and I'd think that could be worse than any BS legal threats that M$ will probably never do!!!

xda2_haseeb said:
I didn't understand that, u mean that if i edit a ROM and redistribute it for free on my site, would it be illegal? Sorry for my lack of understanding. Thnx to xsbeats too .
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XDA-Dev used to store the roms right here on this website. Due to pressure from cell companies (as I understand it), Microsoft used legal threats to force xda-dev to remove all the roms (that was almost a year ago, and many felt that would kill this site). Thats why you mostly have to deal with getting them via rapidshare or whatever.
The Eula says WM is not to be modified or redistibuted.
I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here (Others definetly don't feel the same).

Just my thoughts...
mfrazzz said:
I do know that some people from htc, Microsoft and AT&T watch this site and actually love the work that goes on here
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That is because XDA kicks ass!
(Others definetly don't feel the same)
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Well that would probably be similar to having penis envy...
they know XDA rocks and that they don't match up!
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^^^Well at least that is my view on the subject!^^^

Here's the bottom line, when you get down to it.
You kill a resource like this, a lot of Wizard owners will buy a Nokia.
Then Microsoft and HTC never sell that person another device/OS on a mobile platform.
That's kind of a problem for them. Unlike the desktop PC where you pretty much have to run Windows for a lot of purposes, on the mobile side there is no particular need to use a HTC device or Windows Mobile - there ARE other, competing alternatives that in fact have majority market share.
The carriers "efforts" in this regard are beyond lame and border on stupid. The instability in most of the stock ROMs are nutty bad and there is no "retail" upgrade option available (that is, unlike my home PC, for which I CAN go buy Vista, the option doesn't exist for my HTC Wizard)

Here's an ineresting article that has a Microsoftie recommending using some rom tools to pull out products like rdp for various reasons
msmobiles article
Money Quote:
MSMobiles said:
Scott Yost from Windows Mobile division of Microsoft USA, who specializes there in code signing, security policies, revocation and certificates, admits:
There are unsupported tools externally available that are able to copy the modules out of ROM and then try to reconstruct the original file. If you still need to extract those bytes, you can probably find one of those tools.
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Thnx everybosy for there replies my question is now answered, i have come to the point that:
""I can edit and keep a ROM on my own site""
Do correct if mistaken.
Thnx to all.