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Hello others!
What do you think of the follow two new models of HP?
The IPAQ 600 and the IPAQ 900.
I like the IPAQ 600 very much and at this moment I doubt between this device and the HTC TyTN II (Kaiser). Should I use the whole keyboard of the TyTN II?
Another thing about to doubt is the (tweaking) support of the device here on xda-dev.
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What's your opinion?

Nobody?
Has nobody an opinion?

I will be getting my TyTn II in about a week from now. It is on its way from Dubai.
Probably the only reason I had not seriously considered the Ipaq 600 before ordering the TyTn II is the availability of the 600 as yet. Had this been available on the shelves, ready for delivery, my decision could have been different.
The full QWERTY keyboard on the TyTn is also probably one of the things which make me favour the TyTn II over the Ipaq. Nevertheless with recently introduced SIP's such as Pocket CM and TouchPal the advantage of a full QWERTY versus the bulk and mechanical complexity it adds is worth considering.
Regards

I'd get IPAQ600
Cuz i've been waiting, and waiting....currently am in HK...personally i do no think keypad is a must on ppc, for the past yrs i've used few ppc without keypad, so i'm like used to it...hehe....but then the HTC Tynty is good of course...hehe...
cheerz

not sure
due to Kaizer will be full supported from independent developer, however in my opinion it's looks not so good,
HP are good looking,but HP have been blocked on itself, bad support (update)

The other thing that goes in favour of the Kaiser is that HTC has a reputation of a good build quality. They have gradually improved their build quality and now HTC devices are at par to the best e.g. Nokia definitely has no better build quality than HTC.
Now for the ipaq I am not sure who is the manufacturer. I have heard it is Techfaithwireless. I may not trust their build quality until I have actually seen the devices in the mass market and we have some reviewers comments. So it is a long uphill battle for HP. They have to re-establish themselves in a market dominated by HTC. Now it is entirely up to HP how well they manage their product quality and support. They may or may not win.
And finally will the HP devices receive the kind of support from this community like the HTC devices ???
Regards

When will these 600 / 900 Series devices finally ship?
Some 6 months (!) later ... and these devices are still not officially launched.
Does anybody know when HP plans to start shipping these?
Also, given such an extensive delay and the availability of Windows Mobile 6.1, will the 600 / 900 Series be made available with 6.1 (either from launch or via upgrade later)?
I read this week that HP will not provide upgrades to 6.1 for "available devices". Question is how that applies to the 600 / 900, one can interpret it either way ...
Thanks.

The 600 series is already launched for the rest of the world except USA. I already have mine (Ipaq 614C) which I got from www.clove.co.uk
Thanks

aublumberg said:
Some 6 months (!) later ... and these devices are still not officially launched.
Does anybody know when HP plans to start shipping these?
Also, given such an extensive delay and the availability of Windows Mobile 6.1, will the 600 / 900 Series be made available with 6.1 (either from launch or via upgrade later)?
I read this week that HP will not provide upgrades to 6.1 for "available devices". Question is how that applies to the 600 / 900, one can interpret it either way ...
Thanks.
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Hi,
I'm using the 614c for almost 2 months now. It's a good solid machine. Moreover, there's a rather well running iPAQ forum on http://www.modaco.com/category/87/Pocket-PC-Device-Specific/
Cheers,
Dirk

Can someone tell me which PDA is better?

Which is a better PDA
Xda Mini S
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Benefits of XDA II
400 mhz processor
128mb ram
normal SD Card slot
Benefits of XDA Mini S
Full qwerty keyboard
Wifi (B/G)
Stand-by Up to 200 h
Talk time Up to 5 h
Camera 1.3 MP, 1280x960 pixels, video, flash (as opposed to XDA II's VGA Cam)
v2.0 bluetooth
smaller phone
Personally i owned a xda mini s and loved it - so much that my upgrades have led me to the XDA Trion (upgrade from xda mini s but downgrade from xda stellar)
but its all preference i love it due to the keyboard and wifi.

Thanks
The XDA II I bought from ebay says it has WIFI.
Look at what i bought
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110249164290
Is it good?

no, it says it has
...optional Wireless LAN capabilities...
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they probably mean wifi SD cards.

bommel0815 said:
no, it says it has
"optional Wireless LAN capabilities"
they probably mean wifi SD cards.
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correct!
It means SDIO Wifi Cards which means you cannot have a SD card and wifi at the same time.

It says
Features:
Bluetooth, Camera, Email/Web, Expansion Slot, MP3 Player, Phone Capability, Speaker(s), WLAN/WiFi
The description has just been copied from somewhere.

Yeah, can't go wrong with the mini S even though it's a bit slower and the screen is smaller. The form factor is much better.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=68&id2=331
Plus it adds WiFi and Bluetooth 2.0 (1.1 on the XDA II)

hmm o2's website says the xda II has wifi too..
this is getting confusing haha
i would still of chose the mini S though, but you have bought the xdaII now so no worries - could you possibly clarify if the xda II has wifi?
cheers

I had the Mini S - actually it was a T-Mobile branded MDA Vario. Out of all the phones with slide out keyboards I found it the most usable - the spacing between the keys makes it easy to type with. I did find the device to be very slow and unresonponsive though, particularly with the operator's original ROM - when I unlocked it and flashed WM6 ROMs from the Wizard forum I found performance improved considerably.
Most of the time it performed well - wifi was good - I found connection to my home router very simple and straight forward. Still found web browsing painfully slow though. And the screen is pretty small for most web pages.
Quite liked it - it was my first PDA phone - I'd always had separates in the past. I did get a little tired of it though, and found that I didn't use the keyboard as much as I thought I would - I've just ordered a new phone without a keyboard this time and bigger screen.

kingsizeriz said:
hmm o2's website says the xda II has wifi too..
this is getting confusing haha
i would still of chose the mini S though, but you have bought the xdaII now so no worries - could you possibly clarify if the xda II has wifi?
cheers
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I am getting the XDA II tommorow.
I will tell everyone if it has WIFI or not. If it doesnt the seller is screwed.

It did not have Wifi.
He said he would refund as he made a mistake.
I asked for £10 off.
I got the XDA II new cond inc delivery for £30.
Any good?

i am suprised he gave a refund.. due to the fact he stated "optional Wireless LAN capabilities..."
nevermind, worked out well for you
is a good deal to be honest, cant go wrong with a pda phone for £30..
mini S would have costed more to get anyway.

kingsizeriz said:
i am suprised he gave a refund.. due to the fact he stated "optional Wireless LAN capabilities..."
nevermind, worked out well for you
is a good deal to be honest, cant go wrong with a pda phone for £30..
mini S would have costed more to get anyway.
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yeh its in real nice condition too , i think the PDA must of been kept it a steel case.Not a single mark.

Help me decide which phone to get....

I have a S621, and it has been giving me issues, so the company is upgrading it for me.
I have the following windows mobile choices available
1. HTC Diamond
2. HTC TyTN II
3. HTC Touch Dual
My data plan has been pulled due to budget cuts, but may be instated in future. not surre..
so I rely on the WIFI to get my email using Seven/Lotus notes.
The diamond specs said it has GPS, does it need DAta servicefor that?
TYTNII say it has GPS too, does it work like diamond?"
the part I like about tytnis the full keyboard. and touch screen both. thats why I like this one, and leaning towards it.
Touch Duo the keyboard is not full.
I listen to music a lot so they have to support that.
the touch features are great too.
here are my choices
http://www.cincinnatibell.com/business/wireless/phones_and_devices/
the others are
Pantech DUO

I would go with the Diamond 2 if you don't need a keyboard! See the Topaz section of this forum for details & info...

galaxys said:
I would go with the Diamond 2 if you don't need a keyboard! See the Topaz section of this forum for details & info...
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it is just diamond not diamond 2. our carrier is behind times

I would go for HTC TyTN II definetly
Of course if you are looking for a buissness oriented device is the only one with physical keyboard

Its a topic for me
Guys, i have two devices, diamond and tytn I pro. Anybody who had this 2 devicesx, have ever compared the displays?
I noticed, that the qvga display is much better than vga. Yes thats the vga has smoother images..but the qvga is more sharper and brighter coloured, i mean ith has brighter colours than vga.
Fiirst i saw it at the start menu, when i was searching at the programs, i noticed that the tytn has much brghter white backgroung behind the icons that my diamond. the diamonds white was almost yellow compared to the tytn's qvga screen...
The second thing, when i installed m2d on tytn, it was much faster than the m3d on my diamond, and almost nothing differenc beetven the 2 interfaces...
also i saw some videos with tytn II and some new roms, the performances are suber..
now i want to sell my diamond and get a tytn II...
khmmm..anybody knows why is that on my diamond the white bckgroung not is bright at my tytn?

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-pictures-2834.php
Absolutely has everything but won't have xda dev support

thank you
appreciate your insights !!!!

Hmmm...... okay, you have a choice of
Diamond
Kaiser
Touch Dual
Okay, I would get the Diamond II......no...no...the Samsung Omnia Pro, ......or the Nokia n97....
I am totally biased , but the Kaiser is the best phone I have ever had, business wise and personal.

teese said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-pictures-2834.php
Absolutely has everything but won't have xda dev support
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who knows...maybe it will have, like the xperia...

materijalmen said:
who knows...maybe it will have, like the xperia...
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Xperia is HTC made I think you will find. Anyway, all I can say -after owning the diamond for a week- is wow! Its brilliant! I would love to try the HTC TYTN II but I think its a little too bulky.

materijalmen said:
who knows...maybe it will have, like the xperia...
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Xperia is HTC made I think you will find.
Anyway, all I can say -after owning the diamond for a week- is wow! Its brilliant! I would love to try the HTC TYTN II but I think its a little too bulky.

khsbenny said:
Xperia is HTC made I think you will find.
Anyway, all I can say -after owning the diamond for a week- is wow! Its brilliant! I would love to try the HTC TYTN II but I think its a little too bulky.
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i tried tytn - i have a tytn -...it is awesome..it is a WOW affect after using the diamond..trust me. i dont care about hardwer. Simply it is just awesome so i can imagine how would be da tytn II...

kojigushi said:
2. HTC TyTN II
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Get this one, the tilting screen is a must, and I think it's worth sacrificing for diamond features.

^Yeh, that's about the only thing I wish the Hermes had - a tilt screen.

galaxys said:
^Yeh, that's about the only thing I wish the Hermes had - a tilt screen.
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sorry for my bad english..what is a tilt screen?

materijalmen said:
sorry for my bad english..what is a tilt screen?
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this is a tilt screen
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omg, a tilt screen is a scrren witha screen protector or whats that at the upper right corner?
sorry but i dont heard yet about "tilt"

If you need a physical keyboard then TyTn II else you can go for Diamond...

Tilting screen (the one on the end)

I'm not sure if Tytn II comes with HTC Home or Touchflo, but if it comes with HTC Home, then there is one big advantage: You will be able to use all kinds of plugins on the start screen without disabling the HTC interface. This way you'll be able to show birthdays, todos and so on on the Start Screen, with Touchflo/Diamond this is not possible without disabling the Touchflo interface.
But I'm not sure if you've had a look at the Tytn II in real live. It is pretty thick, not very well sized for your pants' pockets.
Dennis

Rockchip RK2808 Based Apad iRobot (also Moonse E7001)

I just placed an order for one of these, but discussion on xda has been kind of sparse. So I decided to put this together.
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This iPad look-alike is based on the Rockchip RK2808, which is also in the Ramos W7 and the Archos 7 Home Tablet. That means ROMs are largely compatible between the 3 devices, and any other RK2808 devices to come.
Where to talk about it
Slatedroid.com has a dedicated forum for the device.
I'll be there when mine ships, I hope. There are several ROM cooks already and I might know enough to contribute a bit.
ROMs
There are a couple of custom ROMs for this device you can flash already
Deving
The device has a .25 kernel, which is messed. Cupcake is supposed to have .27. We figured out how to repack the system so we can get some things working. /system is read-only right now after it's flashed on to the device.
We don't know how to modify the boot.img so we can't touch the ramdisk.
No idea about what's going to happen for kernel source, but we might as well try to poke ArchosFans to get it from Archos. The Archos 7 Home Tablet firmware actually runs on this tablet.
Drivers are only available for 32 bit Windows for the flashing tool.
adb works. adb has a root shell. So for all intents and purposes the device is rooted.
Identifying the device
Just because your device looks like a 7" or 8" iPad, it is not necessarily this Rockchip model. There are literally half a dozen models based on the inferior VIA WM8505 instead.
The VIA is fine when priced a lot lower than the the Rockchip one, but sellers have been posing their VIA tablets as Rockchip ones. It's just a mess out there. Just be careful.
The two postings on DealExtreme seem legitimate. One is expired already, but the key is the Rockchip software on the device. I didn't buy from there, but you can take a look yourself: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37867
Otherwise the Moonse E7001 is the same device rebranded.
If you don't know what you have, look here:
http://www.hiapad.com/?p=218
The Youtube videos are probably what everyone should be looking at.
Other hints about what you might be getting a VIA one:
Android 1.7 (wtf?), Android 1.6
No front facing camera (some VIA models have them now, but the majority don't)
Gripes so far I've identified
Before getting the device, I've identified the following gripes with the device. I'll confirm these when I get it:
device heats up when charging?
screen cannot be brought back up when brightness is turned all the way down?
microphone does nothing?
camera can't scan barcodes, maybe resolution is too low?

They are planning an official update to 2.1 in July. Check the official hiapad.com for more information. But probably the update will take the same time as it does on the HTC Hero.. if it will ever come!
As the kernel is the biggest problem for good android development: what kernel does the archos use? .27?

Not sure, but I have reason to think that all 3 devices are on the same kernel with small modifications.
In fact the A7HT ROM boots on this device unmodified, but some things don't work.
I have not heard news about the A7HT being upgraded to 2.1. I am not expecting much in that department.

I heard that they would be coming out with the update also. It's on their webpage. Chip3c says it in one of the comments about the last update

Hi All
My friend order one from internet ,
it's Apad irobot it come with Android 1.5 , fron Camera ( but not clear " i think 1.3 MP " )
I try to get to the root so i can make it support arabic languge but could'nt .
it's nice for reading books , movies , internet .
thanks

I think I recall that even for the G1, getting Arabic to work around correctly was a pretty involved hack.
You can probably get the fonts in if they are not working properly. The ROM is rootable and you can modify the binaries. We just don't have any source code.

Slatedroid is down all the time.
I put together a ROM. It's on my blog. I suggest you read the cautions:
http://myapad.wordpress.com/
Flash tool: http://hiapad.com/?p=801&lang=en

My friends bought in Hong Kong almost the same but without front camera and with hynix memory inside, while new modules with camera come with samsung. They made mistake and tried to flash it with rom which was supposed for the version WITH CAMERA.
I've been trying to find the rom to flash into the device, actually hynix modules... Without luck. Although the device is recognized by the system as it should be RK28USB but then no go... black screen, even bootloader does not start. I'm not familiar with linux but thought that something could be done with it to put correct kernel and modules.
Any thoughts, please?

It seems like we will not get the 2.1 update:
Apad iRobot Wont have an update to Android 2.1
To all Apad iRobot owners,
Regrettably, we are announcing that our Apad iRobot is not upgradable to Android 2.1 or other versions of Android. We know we said that there was an effort to work on an update for July, but that is no longer feasible. In particular, our chipset supplier Rockchip has halted development of Android 2.1 on the RK2808 platform. We are disappointed as well.
We could have kept quiet about this, but we do not want to deceive you and thereby decided to be honest about this.
We still plan to release additional updates for Android 1.5. We believe that the Apad iRobot as a competitive device.
Many devices you see on the market today is a combined development and manufacturing effort by multiple companies. As such, this decision is not completely under our control given our jurisdiction and our resources. However, while we prefer not to go into details, we do play a crucial role in the manufacturing and development of the Apad iRobot. We do ask for your understanding.
In addition to this, we noticed that a lot of customers are inquiring about Moonse. We now clarify that we do not officially support any of Moonse products. We do not assemble the Moonse branded Rockchip tablets, nor do we supply them. We used to supply some non-electronic components to them, but that relationship is now over. We both make the Rockchip based tablet we call the Apad, but our processes are different. In particular, we have would like to warn those Moonse branded batch 1 customers with Hynix flash memory chips to be careful. Moonse Rockchip Apad components are interchangeable with ours, so for those of you who are stuck with Hynix flash memory, or have issues with their touch screens, you can contact us:
Internationally, www.digital3c.com via mail inquiry
Within China, you can use www.kaixin3c.com (开心3C) and leave an online message
Source: http://hiapad.com/?p=878&lang=en

anyone looking at this?
I just saw from another board that archos released source codes for their 7home tablet, which also has the rockchip 2808.
ww.archos.com
/support/download/software/sources/Archos7HT_GPL.tgz
would this make android 2.1 possible?

themsn said:
anyone looking at this?
I just saw from another board that archos released source codes for their 7home tablet, which also has the rockchip 2808.
ww.archos.com
/support/download/software/sources/Archos7HT_GPL.tgz
would this make android 2.1 possible?
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I would settle for a 1.6 upgrade just to get Kindle at this point.

It became possible, but people stopped caring

Hi,
maybe something for you: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/11062-romfroyo-22-hybride-v3-batch-23-30111/
Corstian

Ubuntu for Android

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Might be good, full Android phone. When you dock it to an "empty shell" it shows full Ubuntu on the monitor.

When I saw this, I was instantly mad at myself. I could've bought a new smartphone, and had a desktop eventually running from it. Instead I bought a new laptop :-\ I should've been patient because this is amazing!!

I have a feeling this will be the future of how computing will be done. A lot more people are going computerless and just putting a secondary OS into a phone like device is pretty awesome. Just hook a displayport or HDMI cable to a display and bam a useable desktop.
Its technology evolution.

So will it be possible to install this on your own phone or is this something that has to be included by the OEM or with a custom ROM.

It would be nice to have ubuntu on my transformer prime!

They found the missing link between mobile devices and PC's!!!
Way to go Ubuntu. This might be the best call you've ever made!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUXUjjg9qQ0
here's a video of it
btw: looks so awesome! i want it NOW

source isn't on archive.Ubuntu.com yet.
Really hope they release it so everyone can enjoy it.
Sent from my Xoom

would be awesome to have this instead of the moto web top app, cant wait to hopefully see it in roms

darkmansd said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUXUjjg9qQ0
here's a video of it
btw: looks so awesome! i want it NOW
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The demoed it on an Atrix 2 with Motoblur. That tells us that it doesn't need a custom kernel since Motorola locks their bootloaders. Also doesn't need a custom ROM since its still Motoblur'd. So in theory it should then be possible to port this to existing devices.

its doesn't care what rom you're using,cause it running using VNC..
from the ARC

rashid.fairus said:
its doesn't care what rom you're using,cause it running using VNC..
from the ARC
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Although it's true that previous Ubuntu versions on a myriad of devices run chrooted and you connect via VNC, that does not appear to be the approach here. Watch the video and it is clear that it is running natively over the HDMI out without VNC. Very impressive IMO.

rashid.fairus said:
its doesn't care what rom you're using,cause it running using VNC..
from the ARC
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This is the same setup that Ubuntu provided Motorola for their Atrix/Bionic/RAZR phones where a stripped down version of Ubuntu with a custom DE instead of Gnome or Unity. Its easy for Ubuntu to mod the Atrix 2 with the full Ubuntu distro since they created the base for Webtop. Just because the kernel and boot loader is locked doesn't mean you can't modify the system after achieving root.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

that great..........................................

thanks , just To unlock all capabilities of XDA,

ubuntu is a bad idea for mobile phones. i also had a bad expeience with it on my pc

With wp8 getting dual core support if Microsoft could do this with windows 8 that would be amazing.
Sent from my Xoom

iammodo said:
With wp8 getting dual core support if Microsoft could do this with windows 8 that would be amazing.
Sent from my Xoom
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I don't see why not. They've ported NT to ARM and we have even seen the regular explorer based window system running on ARM. It seems Microsoft's strategy early on with Windows 8 was to try to unite mobile and desktop.

bladio said:
ubuntu is a bad idea for mobile phones. i also had a bad expeience with it on my pc
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I don't see why not. They've ported NT to ARM and we have even seen the regular explorer based window system running on ARM. It seems Microsoft's strategy early on with Windows 8 was to try to unite mobile and desktop.
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because it's windows...
But seriously, I think this would be huge! This would be the chance for windows(mobile) to make everything right. Especially for business people this would be impressive!

rashid.fairus said:
its doesn't care what rom you're using,cause it running using VNC..
from the ARC
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I belive the rom is important since Ubuntu comunicates with the apps....
Correct me if I`m wrong.