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Wifi before gprs for email +web

Hi all - i have my xda mini s setup to connect to the internet and collect my exchange emails all works fine.
i use it at work + at home a lot and both locations have a wifi broadband network.
i would like my xda mini s to only connect to GPRS for web browsing and emails when a stored wifi network is not in range (eg when im on the road)
Is it possible to enter in this preference anywhere? thanks in advance for any help

Actually, as far as PIE or any program that connects to the internet is concerned WiFi takes precedence over GPRS by default.
The problem is MS push mail. It forces GPRS even if WiFi is connected. If you try to serf to a graphics heavy site wile connected to both GPRS and WiFi you will see the speed difference.
I am not sure what the logic behind this MS stupidity is, and unfortunately I don't know of any cure except deleting the GPRS settings.

hi - and thanks.
damn.
well i did have a qucik test i went on the web and it seemed to be connecting to gprs (while i was already connected to a wifi network)
i will have a play.

There's one other thing I forgo to mention:
When connection to WiFi make sure you select the correct value under "This network connects to".
I assume your GPRS settings are under My ISP and that is what's selected in Settings->Connections->Connections->Advanced->Network selection.
You should then select "The internet" for the WiFi network.

priotize w-lan for internet connetions

-Does anyone know how to priotize w-lan for internet connections?
It seem that my phone always uses the mobile connections (GSM, 3G etc).
In menu for connections where internet connections can be created, I can't find anyting about w-lan.

This is something I've been meaning to ask about while I wait for the Fuze. By way of background, I have a Cingular 8525 with the original (WM5) ROM, and it drives me nuts using it at home. I only get EDGE inside my house, but the stupid phone persists in making an EDGE data connection instead of using the nice, fast Wifi connection that I just enabled. I use NoData to make sure it doesn't connect via EDGE or 3G, and then half the time it says it says that it can't connect -- even though the icon says that it is connected!! The only way I can reliably connect via Wifi is to go briefly into and out of flight mode, then turn on Wifi before connecting.
I'm really, really hoping that the situation is better with the Touch Pro/Fuze. Can anyone reassure me on that?

it should be accessing wifi first by default i believe...unless other connection is already connected

Hello!
Start first the WiFi Connection and then the Internet Explorer or Opera.
pjo12345

There's this stupid thing with wlan connections in WM - if connection type is set to 'Work', you can browse through files on other computers in (W)LAN at home, but any Internet connection wll be realised through GRPS/3G. To make it connect to the Internet using WiFi, you need to switch wifi type back to 'Internet'.
Maybe that's the thing?

Is there a way how to setup that the WiFi is connected to both (work AND internet)? I never saw WiFi connected only to work network... I assume there is no way but why not to ask ;-)
I know that many others have problem with that, but I didn't find any solution yet...
Because when I set it as work, my Exchange sync is working but no Internet, and when I switch to Internet, opera and QuickpGPS is working, but no Exchange sync (it is trying to open VPN connection because I need to go though inside address to the server because certificates and of course it cannot get it). Or I need somehow set that no VPN will be dealed on this WiFi network...
I need something like BOTH or Auto option.

It seems to be switching from Wlan to G / 3G / H when the signal is not that great. Mostly with the weather tab and Opera. Quick GPS works fine. The way I make sure it is on the internet through wlan is to shutdown the telephone and keep the wlan on with comm manager. The disadvantage is that anyone calling will be heading to your voicemail. Another option is to use the "Nodata" program, en disable to internet connections.

On Touch Pro, I usually just go to COMM MANAGER and switch on wifi and switch off data connection. It is only a couple of quick steps and saves battery, since you don't need both on, if you only want to use wifi.
I am sure there must be a more seamless solution, but I like easy fixes.

wmm said:
I'm really, really hoping that the situation is better with the Touch Pro/Fuze. Can anyone reassure me on that?
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No it is not better. Turning on WiFi is not enough. It will continue to use the cellular data connection until you manually turn it off. This wouldn't be so bad, but in my experience I've had to push the button to turn off the cellular connection multiple times before it would actually do so. What would be really nice is if WM could seamlessly switch from the cellular network to WiFi, with zero user interaction, just like the iPhone does.

I got an other problem with wifi. When I establish a wifi-connection and pull my mail the ppc still connect with a data-canection and didn't use the wifi. My kaiser used the wifi-connection for that.

8notime said:
No it is not better. Turning on WiFi is not enough. It will continue to use the cellular data connection until you manually turn it off. This wouldn't be so bad, but in my experience I've had to push the button to turn off the cellular connection multiple times before it would actually do so. What would be really nice is if WM could seamlessly switch from the cellular network to WiFi, with zero user interaction, just like the iPhone does.
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I wrote the original post before I had a chance to try it for myself. I've had a Fuze for three weeks now, and it works fine for me. I turn on wifi and the Fuze uses wifi. I turn it off and it goes back to normal wireless. (I did do the registry edits to turn on the HSDPA stuff in the connections tab and enabled the modified connection icons in the menu bar. I don't know if that had any effect on this issue or not, but it does what I would expect now.)

Problems with BT, AS, and WiFi while connected to 3G

I've been triying to figure this out for awhile but here's the basics of what's going on:
I have a Japanese HTC Touch Pro, (and yes EVERYTHING is in Japanese, but this doesn't really bother me.) We don't have MMS over here, so we use a constant 3G connection and mopera U to push email to the phone.
So, when i'm in my Comm Manager I have a Data connection on as well as the phone connection.
If I try to turn on my WiFi it will turn off after 3 seconds (just enables it and disables it)
If I try to use my bluetooth connection, same thing (enables BT, then turns it off again)
If I connect my phone to my PC via USB it will try to connect at first, but will suddenly disconnect after a few seconds.
Well, I figgured out that Active Sync won't allow the connection while the phone portion is turned on. Easy enough, I turn my phone into flight mode and it connects just fine and syncs. While this is a tad retarded, I will accept it.
However, In order to get bluetooth to work, i need to disable the 3G connection. Now.. here's what I don't like:
I *HAVE* to have my data connection for email/internet or anything. But, the phone will only seem to allow either the Data connection through the 3G OR bluetooth/wifi, not both.
Now, if I have BT enabled first, then try to establish the data connection I get an error telling me it cannot connect to the 3G network, same effect though, it will try.. just won't allow it.
What really makes me mad is i'm not wanting to have it networked to anything, I just wanna pair it with a headset so I can listen to the mp3 player while on the train and send out emails from my phone.
I tried calling HTC (good help that was) about it, and they suggested hard reseting the phone, soft reset, ect ect.. There's not really a problem, i'm sure there's just a setting somewhere to allow the multiple connections at one.
Does anyone know of any tricks or ANYTHING I can do so I can use my phone the way it was intended?

Did you ever find an answer to this? I am having a similar problem with my Fuze. When bluetooth is enabled, eventually the phone begins to refuse to open a data connection. :-(

No, i never found an answer. I'm not tech savvy enough to find it out.
But its REALLY annoying. I just want to use my USB headset, not connect bluetooth to any network or route messages that way.

Not sure if this is the fix to your problem, but this helped me when Wifi kept turning off, its a setting in WinMoDevCenter, it stops all data connections when connected to sync
in WinMoDevCentre go to Mobile Device settings -> Connection Settings -> Allow Data connections (last check box)
after that i was able to use wifi while plugged in just fine

A virtual 56k modem for dial up?

Is there a program out there that simulates a 56k modem on a Windows Mobile device so that I can connect to the internet using my dialup ISP credentials? If not, how hard would it be to make one? Any other ways to get dial up working on Windows Mobile? I do not have a data plan and would like Internet on my phone.

problem is that gsm devices can't connect to an old analog isp modem connection
back before gprs
the phone company's sold special gsm internet connections so phones which supported it
could be used as modems my old motorola 930 supported that but those
gsm data internet subscriptions were expensive both for having and using

hmm would there be a round about way to do it? like dial a traditional phone from your cell phone witch inturn dials dialup internet. i have wanted something like this before too.

My phone is Verizon (CDMA), not GSM. Don't know if that makes a difference.

josefcrist said:
hmm would there be a round about way to do it? like dial a traditional phone from your cell phone witch inturn dials dialup internet. i have wanted something like this before too.
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Yes, that is what I am looking for. The problem is not the phone, it's that there is no modem in a WM phone. This is what I am looking for; A little program that sort of emulates a physical 56k modem.

when connected to activesync or PAN your phone will have the same network connection as your pc unless you have blocked it
so you can get internet that way
but there is no way that a program can make it possible for you to put in your nomal analog modem connections phone nr and settings and connect that way
programs run inside the operating system and access the network by using the gsm phone module so a program can bypass the gsm system

Modem/dial-up not working using ATT Fuze and Energy 2.0 ROM

first off - i tried searching but could not find any solid info, from start to finish, how to make tethering work
i've never had to tether till now.. tried enabling Internet Sharing and connecting it both via USB and Bluetooth - no success.. i'm using Media Net $15 a month data plan, if that makes a difference (wap Vs gprs in user name but i did try both)...
is anyone using their phone as a modem? what settings do you have? please point the noob in the direction of a step-by-step guide if one is available (i did try to search but nothing than enabling Network connection via registry edit - not relevant)..
thanks a bunch to anyone who could help!

I'm online using the "internet sharing" connection now (in Florida cleaning up after a flood) (Yes, I need to get back to work . . . .).
I also have a Fuze and am using EnergyROM 2.0. Haven't changed any settings since installing the new ROM. Works like a charm for me.
Make sure the proxy box under the MediaNet settings is NOT checked.

vovan75 said:
first off - i tried searching but could not find any solid info, from start to finish, how to make tethering work
i've never had to tether till now.. tried enabling Internet Sharing and connecting it both via USB and Bluetooth - no success.. i'm using Media Net $15 a month data plan, if that makes a difference (wap Vs gprs in user name but i did try both)...
is anyone using their phone as a modem? what settings do you have? please point the noob in the direction of a step-by-step guide if one is available (i did try to search but nothing than enabling Network connection via registry edit - not relevant)..
thanks a bunch to anyone who could help!
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Open up taskmanager and make sure that activesync is not running on the phone. this will not allow internet sharing to work. what does the phone say when you open internet sharing and click connect?

download a registry editor (i use total commander, and it works just fine).
open it up, go to \plugins\registry\HKLM\Comm\InternetSharing\Settings\ForceCellConnection and simply delete the contents of the value so that it's empty. Go ahead and do a soft reset and open up the internet sharing app. From there, select the Media Net connection and hit connect. Voila, good to go!
Enjoy!
ps I've gotten 2+ Mbps speeds via tethering

Dane Austin said:
Open up taskmanager and make sure that activesync is not running on the phone. this will not allow internet sharing to work. what does the phone say when you open internet sharing and click connect?
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I keep activesync enabled so that i'm able to receive corporate email when on the road.
I was able to tether via USB (was doing nothing different from last night when i was unable to internet share via USB, however I noticed when shutting down that BT stack crashed); internet sharing app came up automatically once I selected internet sharing right after hooking up the cable to my laptop, and MediaNet was there by default (I guess it's all cooked into the ROM; did not have to delete any registry keys; kudos to NRGZ)... was able to get close to 1Mb/s download speed (upload is really slow however, less than 50Kb/s) - not too bad overall
Still have problem connecting via Bluetooth
maybe i'm having problem pairing laptop and Fuze? is there a pre-defined code/pass key that i'm supposed to use for the Fuze?
i was just using my security/lock code.. when laptop starts dialing (is dial up number *99# correct?), i get the following error box:
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Error Connecting to BluetoothConnection
Dialing *99#...
Error 678: The remote computer did not respond. For further assistance, click More Info or search Help and Support Center for this error number.
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Anybody had this issue? or can share their connection settings for Bluetooth?
thanks everyone who responded!

vovan75 said:
I keep activesync enabled so that i'm able to receive corporate email when on the road.
I was able to tether via USB (was doing nothing different from last night when i was unable to internet share via USB, however I noticed when shutting down that BT stack crashed); internet sharing app came up automatically once I selected internet sharing right after hooking up the cable to my laptop, and MediaNet was there by default (I guess it's all cooked into the ROM; did not have to delete any registry keys; kudos to NRGZ)... was able to get close to 1Mb/s download speed (upload is really slow however, less than 50Kb/s) - not too bad overall
Still have problem connecting via Bluetooth
maybe i'm having problem pairing laptop and Fuze? is there a pre-defined code/pass key that i'm supposed to use for the Fuze?
i was just using my security/lock code.. when laptop starts dialing (is dial up number *99# correct?), i get the following error box:
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Error Connecting to BluetoothConnection
Dialing *99#...
Error 678: The remote computer did not respond. For further assistance, click More Info or search Help and Support Center for this error number.
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Anybody had this issue? or can share their connection settings for Bluetooth?
thanks everyone who responded!
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now, i just tried leaving User Name and Password fields blank on the Bluetooth connection wizard, and using dial-up number *99***1#, like they suggest here: Answer Center - Create a Windows XP Dial-Up Networking Connection for a Bluetooth Device , and got a new error:
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Error Connecting to BluetoothConnection
Dialing *99***1#...
Error 777: The connection attempt failed because the modem (or other connecting device) on the remote computer is out of order.
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this is just getting funnier but kind of frustrating...

nhshah7 said:
download a registry editor (i use total commander, and it works just fine).
open it up, go to \plugins\registry\HKLM\Comm\InternetSharing\Settings\ForceCellConnection and simply delete the contents of the value so that it's empty. Go ahead and do a soft reset and open up the internet sharing app. From there, select the Media Net connection and hit connect. Voila, good to go!
Enjoy!
ps I've gotten 2+ Mbps speeds via tethering
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tis fixed my tethering issue... thank you!
Damn AT&T trying to force people to pay more for tethering... shame!

smittyofdhs said:
tis fixed my tethering issue... thank you!
Damn AT&T trying to force people to pay more for tethering... shame!
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smitty, do you tether via bluetooth or usb? i have no problem with usb now but still get the same "error 678: the remote computer did not respond..." i wonder if my BT driver is corrupt or i'm blacklisted by at&t
if anyone is able to connect using bluetooth and Internet Sharing app on Energy or any other similar ROM, can you share your dial-up settings with me?
after i start Internet Sharing app, with PC Connection = Bluetooth PAN and Network Connection = MEdia Net, and then right click my Bluetooth Modem in Dial-up Network Places on my laptop, the icon shows "connecting" for about 5 seconds (and the data icon H on the phone starts rotating) and then the error comes up on computer screen.. i can't believe no one else has had the same issue, i must be something with my laptop

vovan75 said:
smitty, do you tether via bluetooth or usb? i have no problem with usb now but still get the same "error 678: the remote computer did not respond..." i wonder if my BT driver is corrupt or i'm blacklisted by at&t
if anyone is able to connect using bluetooth and Internet Sharing app on Energy or any other similar ROM, can you share your dial-up settings with me?
after i start Internet Sharing app, with PC Connection = Bluetooth PAN and Network Connection = MEdia Net, and then right click my Bluetooth Modem in Dial-up Network Places on my laptop, the icon shows "connecting" for about 5 seconds (and the data icon H on the phone starts rotating) and then the error comes up on computer screen.. i can't believe no one else has had the same issue, i must be something with my laptop
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I haven't been able to get my HP laptop to pair via bluetooth with my Fuze yet so I was doing USB. With regards to your issue, do you ahve one or two pull down menus in INternet Sharing app? If you have 1, then your registry needs to be hacked. AT&T used a registry key to force Internet Sharing app to only use the isp.cingluar access point (instead of wap.cingluar). If you pay the extra bucks for the full unlimited with tehtering then your account is setup to use isp.cingluar as well as wap.cingluar. If you just have the normal unlimited w/o tehtering option (which is not unlimited it caps at 5GB/month) then you only can use wap.cingluar. THis is how AT&T is going more easily find people using the cheaper plan with thethering and of course charge them up the butt for violation of the TOS (that they keep changing). Removing the registry key, fixes the issue.

smittyofdhs said:
I haven't been able to get my HP laptop to pair via bluetooth with my Fuze yet so I was doing USB. With regards to your issue, do you ahve one or two pull down menus in INternet Sharing app? If you have 1, then your registry needs to be hacked. AT&T used a registry key to force Internet Sharing app to only use the isp.cingluar access point (instead of wap.cingluar). If you pay the extra bucks for the full unlimited with tehtering then your account is setup to use isp.cingluar as well as wap.cingluar. If you just have the normal unlimited w/o tehtering option (which is not unlimited it caps at 5GB/month) then you only can use wap.cingluar. THis is how AT&T is going more easily find people using the cheaper plan with thethering and of course charge them up the butt for violation of the TOS (that they keep changing). Removing the registry key, fixes the issue.
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sounds like we are in the same boat here - i can tether my HP laptop with Fuze via USB no problem now using Internet Sharing app, but no luck with Bluetooth whatsoever... i don't think there is an issue with the registry ever since i switched to Energy 2.0 ROM which must have the settings customized (so yes, I do have 2 pull down menus, and I have Media Net selected in the second one). So, I tried to use both wap.cingular and isp.cingular APN's (both [email protected] and [email protected] for User Name, CINGULAR1 for password; then I tried leaving User Name and Password fields blank...) with no success... nothing works, damn it!!!
looks like it gets paired up briefly, then starts dialing and gets the error in a couple of seconds.. the problem must be with the bluetooth dial-up settings for AT&T, because: 1) i have no problem tethering via USB; 2) Fuze is being paired up with my laptop and trying to use HSPDA data connection (as indicated by rotating H on the phone for a few seconds while my laptop tries to dial up).
by the way, have you tried dialing *99# or *99***1# (i tried both numbers as well as *99***3# for Samsung phones) from your Fuze, did you get any modem dial tone??
thanks!

I was able to connect to internet through bluetooth by using the following settings.
After pairing the bluetooth on both Fuze and laptop:
On my Fuze: open 'Internet Sharing' then select Bluetooth PAN and choose the appropriate network connection (in my case TZones) then tap 'Connect'
On the laptop: open bluetooth neighborhood then 'discover service' or 'explore' on the Fuze device. You should see 'Network Access Point on [Fuze]' and then double click on it.
Done.

ICS on AT&T HTC Fuze Cut Off (NRG Rom Series 2.0)
AUTiger83 said:
I'm online using the "internet sharing" connection now (in Florida cleaning up after a flood) (Yes, I need to get back to work . . . .).
I also have a Fuze and am using EnergyROM 2.0. Haven't changed any settings since installing the new ROM. Works like a charm for me.
Make sure the proxy box under the MediaNet settings is NOT checked.
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I've been using ICS with no problems with a ThinkPad T43 for a few weeks at work to circumvent the proxies and reach out to my home machine via RDP. The RDP app for the Fuze just doesn't cut it with its whopping 640x480 screen. Turns out that AT&T in NY/NJ is somehow monitoring the connections. I was watching a bunch of videos to pass some downtime, and I guess I triggered some kind of alert on their end. ICS will connect to MediaNET with no problems (settings read wap.cingular), ICS status shows connected (I am connecting over USB) and my ThinkPad network connection shows a private IP address handed to it by the phone (192.168.0.x range). However when I am trying to connect to something, I'll get timeout errors. Running a simple ping comes back with no DNS capabilities as I can't even ping google.com... Has this happened to anyone on the forum? Can anyone offer some advice? I am thinking of just calling AT&T and playing dumb, saying that I was watching videos, as well as moving lots of music from my home computer via FTP ... Any advice appreciated. I pay for the $40/month PDA plan... I don't see the point of paying for tethering when you're already paying for data. Yes, before people start flaming me, I was stupid by using the connection to watch a bunch of videos, but you're able to watch youtube on your phone anyway....
--UPDATED 7-31-09 3:03PM --
So I downloaded ICS Control v0.21, which by the way is an awesome program. I went through the config, was able to connect my laptop to my HTC Fuze via WiFi. That was easy. As palringo (win xp version) was connecting in the background, I was able to do a test google search and get back results. Ran a continuous ping on google (ping google.com -t). Turns out that after about 25 ping replies or so, just about the time it took me to do a few web searches, the requests start timing out. Directing the ping at another website shows that the ping request couldn't find the host... basically the same problem I had tethering over USB. It's as if the AT&T network is determining that the request is coming from a PC and not the PDA and not passing the DNS requests... Either way, I tried to ping google via 74.125.45.100 and got back a request timed out. I am now wondering whether or not this may have to do with the packet MTU and whether or not the PDA packets differ from regular PC/WinXP packets. I just don't know enough about networking to be able to know. I am able to ping the Fuze gateway (for all-intensive purposes set to 192.168.2.1) and get back replies within 2-4ms. I really would love to hear from someone to whom this has happened before. I haven't called AT&T yet as the data connection on the phone itself works just fine, and I am able to load pages on the phone just fine. It's just any form of ICS that's beat...
Come on XDA-Dev, I know the collective intelligence can come up with something here.

I didn't think ATT could detect the difference between tethered requests and ones that originate on the phone, that would be bad though, if that were the case. Since the previous poster was watching videos, it seems to me the bandwidth would be the comparable to watching videos with the YouTube app on the Fuze, which I'm sure is within the terms of service contract.
My experience is closer to vovan75's. ICS works fine via USB, but does not work via Bluetooth. The strange thing is with the BT connection, I can ping the gateway, and even do nslookup with the default DNS, and sometimes if I get lucky, the connection works for a few seconds, allowing a page to load, totally random.
I thought everything worked using the original ATT rom, so I have a feeling culprit is something in the NRG rom, or maybe a radio incompatibility. I might re-flash to the old official rom just to try this, before the next time I update to the latest NRG build.
My setup:
Fuze with EnergyROM (July 22 build)
Radio: 1.14.25.35 (from official HTC 6.1 update)
Notebook with Windows 7 RTM
Windows calls this "Bluetooth Network Connection" (I don't see a reference to DUN, at least not in Win7)
ICS using BT (not working):
IPv4: 169.254.46.56
Gateway: 169.254.247.172
ICS using USB (working):
IPv4: 192.168.0.102
Gateway: 192.168.0.1
Windows 7 calls this "Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device"
DSLReport speed test (Flash) - down: 696Kbs, up: 336Kbs (varies quite a bit, much better at night of course)

Okay, figured it out. The DHCP setting for the bluetooth PAN should be off (I know, counter-intuitive). I found this by diff'ing the entire HKLM-Comm registry branch of the last EnergyROM build (Sept 6) vs the official ATT 6.1 rom (5.11.502.2WWE), which did work after all.
Code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\BTPAN1\Parms\TcpIp]
"EnableDHCP"=dword:00000000
BTW, you don't need to setup Dial-Up Networking when using the Internet Sharing application (IntShrUI.exe). DUN needs to be configured on the PC when using the phone's modem bluetooth service, and AFAIK, needs to be provisioned by AT&T before it will work. The Internet Sharing app acts like an uplink for paired devices in the bluetooth personal area network (PAN).

rasterX, you rock! That little illogical registry fix is all I needed... I'd been banging my head against this Bluetooth DUN thing for days.
Thanks!