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Hi,
Does anyone know whether there is any PDA phone with a VGA screen available now or soon-ish, other than the Universal? (from HTC or other companies.)
I kind of like the Universal, but I think it is a bit too big for my liking.
I looked at the HTC roadmap, but sadly the roadmap doesn't really say what screen is used in the up-coming devices.
So anything available now/soon from HTC, Palm, HP, etc?
Thanks.
Dunno about availability, but here goes:
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3737841146.html
to be perfectly honest I don't think that's much of an improvement in size over the universal. Its not as wide since it doesn't need the hinge, but its just as long and thick as the universal. Added to that is the fact that you will need to use a case for it to transport because of the lack of screen protection and it will feel much more bulky, nice looking phone though.
Does anyone here have an eten x500+? I am thinking of buying one but want to make sure it is supported here because I would like to be able to customize it like I can with my Wizard but cant seem to find anything on the forum on it...
This website, obviously, is mainly devoted to HTC devices. With that said, my boyfriend has the x500. He is using the WM6 upgrade for it.
Eten uses a heavily modified ROM on their devices. They have TONS of OEM applications that replace the Microsoft ones in addition to removing a fair bit of WM6 standard items. The device is touchscreen only and I think it sucks because I've yet to use a decent SIP for WM since MS dropped JOT. Also for being touchscreen only it doesn't seem to be as sensitive as my Mogul and you can see the plastic move when you touch the screen.
My bf bought it when it was the thinnest and lightest WM5 device. If you want a thin and light WM device, I recommend a Smartphone. I used to have a Moto Q and would recommend a Smartphone over the glofiish.
dragon_76 said:
This website, obviously, is mainly devoted to HTC devices. With that said, my boyfriend has the x500. He is using the WM6 upgrade for it.
Eten uses a heavily modified ROM on their devices. They have TONS of OEM applications that replace the Microsoft ones in addition to removing a fair bit of WM6 standard items. The device is touchscreen only and I think it sucks because I've yet to use a decent SIP for WM since MS dropped JOT. Also for being touchscreen only it doesn't seem to be as sensitive as my Mogul and you can see the plastic move when you touch the screen.
My bf bought it when it was the thinnest and lightest WM5 device. If you want a thin and light WM device, I recommend a Smartphone. I used to have a Moto Q and would recommend a Smartphone over the glofiish.
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Thank you for your input. I honestly prefer devices with a querty keyboard anyway. Do you know of any VGA devices with a querty keyboard and also a 400mHZ processor like the x500?
PS - Glad to see there are actually women on these forums and its not just a bunch of guy nerds.
dharvey4651 said:
Thank you for your input. I honestly prefer devices with a querty keyboard anyway. Do you know of any VGA devices with a querty keyboard and also a 400mHZ processor like the x500?
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Toshiba G900.
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=review-toshiba-portege-g900-windows-mobile-6-professional-smartphone
(Just the first link off google, personally these guys are tools I thought the difference between smartphone and pocket pc was pretty clear - guess not).
Anyway no HTC device with a VGA screen and qwerty keyboard exists. Unless you consider the HTC Advantage or the old HTC Universal, which I dont imagine you have in mind, ergo, the Toshiba best suits your criteria, but like the Eten is not directly supported by these forums.
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A nice phone overall but the screen is kind of awkward looking... It has the width of a QVGA device but the height of a VGA device. Strange but neat looking. Thanks for the suggestion and the quick reponse.
I take it there arent many other VGA phones and other than the Advantage, none made by HTC. I suppose I will just wait for a while. Eventually they will have to come out with something smililar to the 8525, MDA, or WING that is VGA and still has the querty keyboard.
The screen ratio of WVGA is actually desirable as it is CLOSE to the Golden Ratio of 1.6 (the device ratio is actually 1.7). To read why it's desirable, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
Oh my, that makes me want to do a sex wee!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46296
I hope we can find something useful in it for our devices.... i realy don't want to buy a new device...
Yes, on the face of it, it seems quite soon after the TC was launched but then I suppose this might take a good few months to turn up in the shops. I presume the VGA screen will mean a lot of the UI widgets won't be usable on the TC, sadly.
Lots more info/video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HTC
Unless someone makes them work, but I seriously doubt that HTC will stick to the VGA line...
Yeah I don't want to have to buy another device either. It does suck that it's so soon after the Cruise was released. No microSD memory slot right? I haven't see it mentioned anywhere. 4GB internal memory might be faster but is way too limited.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389935
here they say microSD but then they also say EGPS where the htc site only say AGPS
so who is to know for sure yet...
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S
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being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S
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We'll see about that... but until this community gets it's hands on the ROM, we'll see what has Android to offer
Watch this video and submit your comments as to the fluidity of the OS.
Typical of HTC, init?
http://techdigest.tv/2008/05/shiny_video_rev_169.html
When she was actually demoing it, there seemed to be a certain lag when she scrolled whith her finger... Could it be that the diamond also suffers from the "TouchScreen Bug"?
According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon
chipset is not the same!
ovidiaconescu said:
According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon
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While I do admire their efforts on the Diamond, I feel that the HTC product development process is just way to rushed. In the end they end up coming out with half assed devices. It seems like they make a new model every 2 months these days e.g. Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, P3470, Sedena, etc. So its no wonder they can't get any one model right.
They really need to take some notes of what Apple has been doing with the iPhone. New products have had more storage space, and they've been focusing on software updates for their current users. This way prospective buyers are happy and current owners are kept happy. HTC on the other hand delivers maybe one update to a device full of bugs its entire product lifetime in the form of an AKU. That's quite pathetic customer service esp. for devices that are nowhere near perfect from the get go.
I would buy a Diamond, or a WM7 phone, but HTC needs to start doing a better job respecting its current customers - seriously, the Kaiser ppl have been waiting practically a year now for some sort of update, and we Polaris ppl have been waiting nearly 6months. Until HTC does something about product support, my Touch Cruise and my HTC loyalty will hold me over just until the next generation iPhone comes along and the Apple SDK/Apple store has apps coming along.
I agree, they are releasing devices way too fast. They really should invest time in releasing a device that has quality design with well thought out hardware, something that can last for awhile and then release software updates to it. The iPhone comparisons though are not very accurate, since apple designed the hardware and the software and ATT has nothing to do with it (mostly). (as opposed to att needing to come out with their own ROMs for the tilt). But I see your point, where is the official WM6.1 release for example for HTC branded devices? End of March promised for some fix, it's now May and nothing, only an announcement for a new phone. Shame...
I really hate to admit it, but Apple does a good job whith their device/update probram, hell even M$ comes out with updates on a regular basis for its OS...
HTC should learn something from them... the sleek design, and user friendly interface may win the looks prize, but nothing else if it's unuseable and the support sucks...
Some people have more qualifications for PDAs then most of the personel at HTC from simple tech support, to development... and this is an open community (maybe that's why HTC tech support sucks, because we're here to sort out their mess)
Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...
Diamond announced at O2 Germany
as I have just found out, O2 has already announced the HTC Diamond at their Online shop. At another site I found the rumor, that it will be available in June... we'll see.
http://shop2.o2online.de/nw/produkt...lesChannel=SHOP&articleId=617&categoryId=1120
Bodisson said:
Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...
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An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO
TDO said:
An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO
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Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.
RE
actually i think this device is pretty cool. since my tytnII ended up in the washmachine i really doubting of buying this device or another tytnII from the insuarrance money...
pros tytn:
-keyboard
-i have 2 accus by then, 2 chargers etc etc...
-memory card slot (though i got 4 gb and it seems enough)
pros diamond:
-size!!! what a beatifull size at all, lighter and thinner then a n95, iphone etc.
-vga screen
-improved chipset and 192mb ram
I just wait till the first real reviews come out and then i decide!
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Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.
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It has drivers which use the videocontroller.
But this driver can only accelerate the "drawing" of the graphics and there only specific functions.
The main-cpu has still to handle 4 times the data in comparison to a qvga device.
TDO
S740 was announced today. Will update post with more info, I am on my Vox right now.
Here are more details from gsmarena, it looks nice:
HTC S740
Coming as a successor of the HTC S730 the S740 is a smartphone with a sliding-out four-row QWERTY keyboard. It boasts a 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7225 processor and the greatly sounding 256MB RAM.
The display of the HTC S740 is a 2.4" QVGA one (no touchscreen, of course). All four GSM bands and two UMTS (900 and 2100 MHz) bands are supported by the new phone. There is also HSDPA support to make sure that the quickest network data transfers around are available.
Coming with a HTC Touch Diamond-like back, HTC S740 has a 3.2 megapixel fixed-focus snapper on board. Some of the other more important features are built-in GPS (with A-GPS support), Wi-Fi and the HTC ExtUSB slot which combines a mini-USB 2.0 and an audio jack.
The HTC S740 is going to be available across Europe from September, but there is no information regarding its pricing yet.
keyboard open on the other side
I just hope it'll ship with 6.1 with languages other than English, so we can use it!^^
nice one! thats the device i saw at work last week... but the prototype has no qwerty keyboard ... cant wait for it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418902
Hopefully they set the price right, it is either this, a Touch Pro or a Nokia E71 to be my next device.
I really want to know how to handle the 'cursor-key' in the middle of the device. On the pictures it looks odd to me.
What i don't like about this device
larger overall
20 grams heavier than S710 which is already very heavy
no autofocus
looks interesting but...nothing new on the sun...
OT: I have afriend wich has an Omnia i900 and with my big surprise I noticed it has WM 6.1 localized in my language...so I think out there lot of devices has WinMo 6.1 localized in different devices...but why don't Microsoft release the localized emulator images???? Damn!
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
The price on HandTec.co.uk is showing £469.99 (£399.99 ex vat)
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/1430/htc-s740
sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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Qwerty keyboard is something that is a "must" when you use it once and write an sms/e-mail on your phone. I won't buy a phone without qwerty in the future.
sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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You are clearly not on the right forum for this kind of comments. It's clear that everyone who is on this discussion forum likes qwerty on their smartphone... since we all bought the S710.
matrix77 said:
Qwerty keyboard is something that is a "must" when you use it once and write an sms/e-mail on your phone. I won't buy a phone without qwerty in the future.
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A B S O L U T E L Y !! I must agree with you
sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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I think you should look for Nokia toys like smartphones with basic functions making, receiving calls and SMS. You would get such toy phones very slim, lite and offocourse extra functionality of few JAVA inbuilt games.
HTC S710 and next versions are beyond your limits because you are not even able to understand the concepts of these phones at all.
I think it's kind of pointless to put such a processor in this phone. There are rarely any apps for Standard that make use of such processing power! It'll only drain the battery. I think 400 MHz is perfect for a WM Standard phone. For the Touch Pro though it's a must have. And now there is only one reason that keeps me from buying a Touch Pro - it's price...
Anyway, htc put a page online: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
I think the messed up the standby times (under 3G more than GSM???)!
what if the processor is underclocked when no apps are running?
frauhottelmann said:
I think it's kind of pointless to put such a processor in this phone. There are rarely any apps for Standard that make use of such processing power! It'll only drain the battery. I think 400 MHz is perfect for a WM Standard phone. For the Touch Pro though it's a must have. And now there is only one reason that keeps me from buying a Touch Pro - it's price...
Anyway, htc put a page online: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
I think the messed up the standby times (under 3G more than GSM???)!
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its qualcomm processor and OMAP is better as compared to Qualcomm so might be 528 MHz would work little better compared to OMAP 200 MHz
beautiful phone but its gonna be one fingerprint magnet
I am disappointed.
The only think HTC has been able to do is add an GPS (very usefull by the way!).
But NO INNOVATION... and even heavier!!
why they dont do a big touch screen on the front coverything everything (iphone style) then you can slide it on the side for a qwerty keyboard to appear (very usefull!) or you can slide it on the bottom for a numeric pad (very usefull!) to appear for use without sometime painfull touchscreen with one hand.
Would this be something nice? other innovation will be more than welcome... Engineer at HTC what are you doing? sleeping??
Since I got my first Universal (JasJar) some 2 years back, I have tried several other alternatives, including TyTN 2, HTC Touch Pro, and even Toshiba G910. I have always come back to the Universal. In fact, when I broke my JasJar, I replaced it with Vodafone V1640. I have come to conclude that the Uni is the closest to my ideal PDA/phone for a business user.
But I regret one or two things about the Universal, and I honestly wish we would have a Universal 2 to address these snags. My short wish list for Universal 2 are is follows:
1) Retain the present format - don't change the form factor; it is simply great as it is. Forget those who say it is too heavy or bulky - they don't know what they want. (If weight is your problem, then don't ask for a comfortable keyboard and a large screen as you have in the Uni.)
2) Give it 256MB RAM. This is by far the biggest issue with the current Uni with 64MB RAM. Often when I run something like TextMaker (SoftOffice), the device runs out of memory.
3) Make the stylus holder more secure. Either let it click into place or have a magnetic slot to secure it, like the HTC Touch Pro.
4) Make the SD card slot more secure - perhaps with a cover. As it is, it pops out rather easily.
5) Have a built-in GPS
Any further ideas for Universal 2?
We can fantasize all we want but we aint going to get it! There wont ever be a Uni 2 for sure....atleast i'm pretty convinced about it.
I just broke my uni a few weeks ago and couldnt help but buying another one...(was quite a struggle to find a seller!). I too love the form factor and ergonomics of the uni - simply brilliant.
Anyway, I guess I'll just wait up for a while until there is something like the TyTN 2 where you can tilt the display on the Touch pro and I might just buy one of them! Or the Touch HD Pro - if there will ever be one!
Cheers!
San
Anyway, for the "wishlist" I'd basically want a built in GPS, a better 3D accelerated graphics card, MORE RAM & storage, and an outside smaller display if possible!
Video out would be essential for me, & with that hardware run GFX.
Sadly I dont think there will be a Universal 2, although I wish they would. The line between laptop, PDA and mobile phone has blurred so much, all I really wish is that the mobile industry in general stops limiting the capabilitys of hand held devices (e.g. Iphone) with closed platforms, limiting hardware capabilities and add expansion ports.
Dear rsawoseyin,
You have a Grate Idea about Universal. I also love Universal very much.
If the Universal is made according to the Specs given by you and some other features, like Multitouch Display, Accelerometer, etc., like in iPhone, then it would become Deam Machine!!!!!!!!
So, you request the iMate or HTC to create such type of Universal.
Regards,
Shakeel Ahmed,
Datacom Engineer,
HUAWEI Technologies (Pvt.) Ltd.
I agree with you,
I have had Jasjar and Vodafone V1640. Now I've a Toshiba G900, I'm happy with it and I've started to cook roms for it, then G900 is really important for me.
But I've loved my UNI, perfect size for me, perfect display, perfect keyboard...
To have it today with its features plus a lot ram, storage and GPS, it'll be really a dream. Yes, today we have many devices like Xperia, HD, Touch pro... BUT, apart storage, ram and gps, no one offers all the things the UNI has!
And, if I had to add a thing on a new UNI, I would put the host usb function. I have it on G900 and it can be really usefull!
rsawoseyin said:
Since I got my first Universal (JasJar) some 2 years back, I have tried several other alternatives, including TyTN 2, HTC Touch Pro, and even Toshiba G910. I have always come back to the Universal. In fact, when I broke my JasJar, I replaced it with Vodafone V1640. I have come to conclude that the Uni is the closest to my ideal PDA/phone for a business user.
But I regret one or two things about the Universal, and I honestly wish we would have a Universal 2 to address these snags. My short wish list for Universal 2 are is follows:
1) Retain the present format - don't change the form factor; it is simply great as it is. Forget those who say it is too heavy or bulky - they don't know what they want. (If weight is your problem, then don't ask for a comfortable keyboard and a large screen as you have in the Uni.)
2) Give it 256MB RAM. This is by far the biggest issue with the current Uni with 64MB RAM. Often when I run something like TextMaker (SoftOffice), the device runs out of memory.
3) Make the stylus holder more secure. Either let it click into place or have a magnetic slot to secure it, like the HTC Touch Pro.
4) Make the SD card slot more secure - perhaps with a cover. As it is, it pops out rather easily.
5) Have a built-in GPS
Any further ideas for Universal 2?
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You pretty much stated the main shortfalls of the Uni.
The only thing I can think of that you left out was EDGE compatibility....
I only been a Imate JasJar owner for 6 months however I love the device. I have a Wizard (T-Mobile MDA)...had it for almost 2 years but for work, I exclusively use my Uni. I send/receive A lot of emails at work and the Uni is perfect for that. Plus I like having an unique PDA.....I live in the US so many Americans never seen a Universal so most of my coworkers, friends, or people that happen to see me use the Uni look at it like WHAT IS THAT? lol.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443421
I love the from factor "Micro laptop" but I have not seen anything for the future.....
davideuck said:
I agree with you,
I have had Jasjar and Vodafone V1640. Now I've a Toshiba G900, I'm happy with it and I've started to cook roms for it, then G900 is really important for me.
But I've loved my UNI, perfect size for me, perfect display, perfect keyboard...
To have it today with its features plus a lot ram, storage and GPS, it'll be really a dream. Yes, today we have many devices like Xperia, HD, Touch pro... BUT, apart storage, ram and gps, no one offers all the things the UNI has!
And, if I had to add a thing on a new UNI, I would put the host usb function. I have it on G900 and it can be really usefull!
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Glad to see you're a Uni user too.
Even tho we both have the G900 and love the 800x480, hackibility/cookibility wise the Uni is just so reliable.
It's very hard to make a perfect ROM for G900 due to the GF5500's lack of proper driver while the Uni is just a plain PXA27x device with drivers readily available.
IMO the perfect Uni2 should have the following:
-PXA32x 800Mhz+ (CorePlayer makes great use of the newer SIMD - WMMX2)
-800x480 WVGA 3.8"
-KB
-Slightly less than 20mm thick
-Same folding/twisting style
-aGPS (from MSM6281)
-Tri-band HSDPA 3.5G (from MSM6281)
-256MB+ RAM
-512MB ROM
-SDHC (or even two! )
Or that concept Touch HD Pro, but with PXA32x 800Mhz instead plus MSM6281 for aGPS+HSDPA. Qualcomm's QTv isn't powerful enough for WVGA H.264 playback.
Too bad HTC haven't made a replacement for the Uni. The closest contender is the Blackstone.
My Imate JasJar's camera doesn't work so I just bought a O2 exec in mint condition off ebay for an excellent price. The O2 should last for a another year...when the price of the Blackstone goes down a bit.... $700+ for a new Blackstone is a bit steep right now for me...lol
even tho i never seen it, on paper Touch Pro looks like ideal replacement.
Nevertheless, here's my wish list for Uni 2
GOOD CAMERA. (For ****'s sake HTC, if after all these years u still cant make a good one, LICENSE technology from sharp or sony!!!!)
fast CPU (900Mhz +)
and 2D drawing acceleration chip
GOBS of internal flash memory (storage), 8+ GB
dump SD card slot, in favour of USB 2.0 access to the internal 8.0GB+ flash
lots of RAM memory, ie 512MB+
ipod/touch pro UI
QUAD band
reduce weight/thickness
higher capacity battery
GPS that works with TOMTOM
scratch/shock resistant case
Actually, I think that HTC meant Touch Pro to be Universals successor. While it is better only in some respects, it is the only device with at least comparable keyboard. You may say that display is too small. But should not need to tap display too often when you have a good keaybord.