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Comparison of CPU's

Hi
I wanted to know what is the most stable CPU on a Pocet PC right now and why, what makes a processor better than the next ? are Intel processors better than samsung, TI, Freescale ??
what are the categories of all these processors ?
and on a pricing level which processors are value for money ?
which are expensive for something and which are expensive for nothing ?
this has been working on my mind for some time to analyse all the processors and identify the truth behind Pocket PC CPU's
can anyone please help to answer these questions.
regards
reo

The differences are very small, unlike with, say, 486 or Pentium clones 10-12 years ago. That is, there aren't known problems with Samsung / TI CPU's and there aren't "clearly the best" CPU's.

hi
what do you think about Freescale CPU ?
and when it comes to CPU, do you think that mayb certain types are more stable than others ?
Stability = litlle or no freezing up, compatibilty, works well with WM OS, aplications funtioanlity, and just general operation you no that sense that you can rely on the product to function properly.
reo

reo said:
hi
what do you think about Freescale CPU ?
and when it comes to CPU, do you think that mayb certain types are more stable than others ?
Stability = litlle or no freezing up, compatibilty, works well with WM OS, aplications funtioanlity, and just general operation you no that sense that you can rely on the product to function properly.
reo
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Dunno much about the practical stability & compatibility issues of the new Freescale CPU, it's so new to the market (and iDo devices are so few).
In general, I don't think any current (again, I don't speak for Freescale) CPU's have any stability or other issues. Samsung CPU's, in the past (see for example the flash ROM problems of the iPAQ 1930 / 1940) had some problems; hope they're fixed now.

hi
is there any way to benchmark the CPU's ? is there any software that i can use. i would like to conduct a test to make a comparison.
about the freescale, any reviews about this CPU ?
regards
reo

reo said:
hi
is there any way to benchmark the CPU's ? is there any software that i can use. i would like to conduct a test to make a comparison.
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Spb Benchmark, for example. However, benchmark results are pretty useless. For example, the 195 MHz TI CPU's are MUCH better than what one would think based on the benchmark results
about the freescale, any reviews about this CPU ?
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Googled around; haven't found much.

I will keep searching for more details on freescale.
Do you think there is mayb factory benchmark programs then we can mayb get accurate results ?
reo

reo said:
I will keep searching for more details on freescale.
Do you think there is mayb factory benchmark programs then we can mayb get accurate results ?
reo
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In general, I wouldn't depend on benchmark results. For example, the TI CPU-based devices are far faster than one would think based on the benchmark results.

I have read about Processors from Intel called Monahans, i believe it is the latest CPU.
Have you worked with a handheld device running this CPU ?
could you give us some info on the Manahans and Boulverde ?

try this one.... I got it from buzz website....

Generally, TI and Samsung processors usually are more performant than Intel with the same MHz rate (iirc about 20%).
However, processor performance is not everything. E.g. the memory access is very different on WM5 devices. Or graphic performance.
And don't forget many PPC applications are quite spartanic - you don't need lots of CPU power to add a new contact or write a document in that better notepad called "Word mobile". Memory (card) access is more interesting there. But you'll probably notice a difference e.g. in navigation, games, or multimedia.

TI OMAP850 vs INTEL PXA27X

This is a question that maybe a lot of members have.
As we known OMAP850 has 2 cores 200 Mhz for GSM and 200 Mhz for WM App
And that is great ... But what happend with INTEL Processors?
I was looking info on the web about PXA27X and how manage the Mhz when WM have app running and have a incoming call.
Example. If a INTEL PXA27X has 400 Mhz how much Mhz will gone in GSM.
Or INTEL PXA27X has another core for GSM? Like OMAP850?
Or when has a incomming call the 400Mhz goes to 300Mhz or less ?
I got a TEK S200 and I ask this because I wanna buy another PDA, maybe HTC, ETEN or HP and i have this doubt.

gzprophet said:
This is a question that maybe a lot of members have.
As we known OMAP850 has 2 cores 200 Mhz for GSM and 200 Mhz for WM App
And that is great ... But what happend with INTEL Processors?
I was looking info on the web about PXA27X and how manage the Mhz when WM have app running and have a incoming call.
Example. If a INTEL PXA27X has 400 Mhz how much Mhz will gone in GSM.
Or INTEL PXA27X has another core for GSM? Like OMAP850?
Or when has a incomming call the 400Mhz goes to 300Mhz or less ?
I got a TEK S200 and I ask this because I wanna buy another PDA, maybe HTC, ETEN or HP and i have this doubt.
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I'm not really sure what you mean - do you mean if the CPU has enough computation power to execute other tasks while the GSM is active?
If you have followed my articles (most importantly, the ones concerning recording phone calls), you already know the answer: yes, the CPU has the power to execute almost anything else. I haven't made exact CPU usage benchmarks (with acbTaskMan), but I don't think the CPU usage of the GSM module is higher than, say, 20% on a 416 MHz XScale.

it all depends on yr usage. and what u do with yr pda phone.
omap is good for battery life, if u just do appointment & task, simple mp3 leisure yes its for u (dun think abt video)
samsung chip, for 3g, good for almost all but cant support better playback for dvd quality example MOV files on tcpmp
intel chip, 416mhz is good for everything, skype, youtube, mov dvd quality video play back. but battery life sucks...
as HTC use more of TI OMAP on non 3g or SAMSUNG chip for 3g device.
while O2 Asia use INTEL chip for all the devices but have customize the chip so that u can choose between PERFORMANCE or BATTERY LIFE. appears in XDA IIi (htc/ppc2003), STEALTH (gigabyte/wm5), Zinc (asus/wm5/6), Atom Life (quanta/wm5/6), Flame (arima/wm5). so far only o2/asus/gigabyte have such feature for their pda phone.
so if you like multifunction/tasking(skype/msn/wifi/internet radio/surfing). get a good device, like ATOM LIFE

oh one more, XDA 1 is using INTEL 150mhz if i recall haha
so if u like intel so much & u want that speed, find wallaby haha

Tabbe said:
samsung chip, for 3g, good for almost all but cant support better playback for dvd quality example MOV files on tcpmp
intel chip, 416mhz is good for everything, skype, youtube, mov dvd quality video play back. but battery life sucks...
as HTC use more of TI OMAP on non 3g or SAMSUNG chip for 3g device.
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Also add the new Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset. It seems hardware manufacturers are switching to it and ditch at least the not very multimedia-friendly Samsung. (I bet something similar will alos happen to XScale, unless they manage to radically reduce their power consumption.)

Tabbe said:
oh one more, XDA 1 is using INTEL 150mhz if i recall haha
so if u like intel so much & u want that speed, find wallaby haha
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f-ing idiots should just keep their mouths shut. It's 208MHz, you moron. And the guy is asking about processor division of resources, not saying he wants Intel. GOT THAT? or do you need further translation?

raymondu999: I'm gonna ask you to control yourself next time. Such attitude will not be tolerated here. Thank you.

"while O2 Asia use INTEL chip for all the devices "
o2 is a phone company they dont make phones the oem phones from other companys

afaik the omap850 is not a real dual-core cpu, because both cores are not the same. one is used for normal apps and the OS and a simpler one takes care of the GSM part.

So... OMAP850 is a Simple Processor for GSM + 200 Mhz Processor for apps
Then my doubt is how Intel manage this, if a device has a spec of processor 416mhz , this 416mhz are for GSM and Apps.
I read in some posts that Intel processors has troubles to manage GSM-APPS-WIFI etc.

intel dont magede gsm and wifi
it's handled by 3th party chips i believe
it would simply see them as IO devices

QUALCOMM 7200 400Mhz VS. XScale PXA270 520Mhz

Hi @ll..
i will buy the new HTC TyTN II in the next 2 weeks. This one has an Qualcomm 7200 Processor with a speed of 400 Mhz.
Today i found the XDA Flame (cause of the GeForce 5500 ;-) ) and found out, that its the Toshiba G900 with a XScale PXA270 with 520 Mhz.
But this Processor is older than the one of Qualcomm, isn´t it?
So my question:
is the qualcomm a better processor than XScale? Is it also faster? (i know.. 520Mhz vs 400Mhz.. i mean this, like on PCs.. i.e. a Pentium 3 with 300 Mhz is also faster than Pentium 2 with 300 Mhz)
thanxx

HTC TyTN processor vs. XDA Flame processor
I think that because the flame has the GoForce 5500 GPU in it, it means that the main processor doesn't have to worry with graphics - leaving it free to process other stuff. So it's more powerful then. I've got one, and it's pretty quick.

timn2087 said:
I think that because the flame has the GoForce 5500 GPU in it, it means that the main processor doesn't have to worry with graphics - leaving it free to process other stuff. So it's more powerful then. I've got one, and it's pretty quick.
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However, don't forget that VERY FEW OpenGL ES games / emus / demos (all desginedearlier for the 2700G) run on the Flame.

nEuDy said:
Hi @ll..
i will buy the new HTC TyTN II in the next 2 weeks. This one has an Qualcomm 7200 Processor with a speed of 400 Mhz.
Today i found the XDA Flame (cause of the GeForce 5500 ;-) ) and found out, that its the Toshiba G900 with a XScale PXA270 with 520 Mhz.
But this Processor is older than the one of Qualcomm, isn´t it?
So my question:
is the qualcomm a better processor than XScale? Is it also faster? (i know.. 520Mhz vs 400Mhz.. i mean this, like on PCs.. i.e. a Pentium 3 with 300 Mhz is also faster than Pentium 2 with 300 Mhz)
thanxx
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Take a look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745

hi, i try to run android on my htc tytn ii, but haret freeze!! in the "HaRET: Booting Linux ...", i send messages to a file and show this:
HaRET(1)# set MTYPE 1553
HaRET(3)# set KERNEL zImage-kaiser-new.bin
HaRET(5)# set RAMSIZE 0x7800000
HaRET(6)# set RAMADDR 0x10000000
HaRET(11)# set INITRD android.bin
HaRET(15)# bootlinux
boot KERNEL=zImage-kaiser-new.bin INITRD=android.bin
Opening file zImage-kaiser-new.bin
Opening file android.bin
boot params: RAMADDR=10000000 RAMSIZE=07800000 MTYPE=1553 CMDLINE='root=/dev/ram0 ro console=tty0'
Boot FB feedback: 1
Built virtual to physical page mapping
Allocated 5368 pages (tags=56000000/15f34000 kernel=56001000/15f2e000 initrd=56117000/15e1a000 index=574EF000/14a40000)
Built kernel tags area
Built page index
Video buffer at 51B00000 sx=240 sy=320 mx=60 my=53
Video Phys FB=10000000 Fonts=14a39064
Framebuffer overlaps with kernel destination
[email protected]/14a38000 sj=574F7000 stack=574F5000/14a3a000 data=574F6000/14a39000 exec=14a38128
Reading 1138124 bytes...
Read complete
Reading 20804139 bytes...
Read complete
Launching to physical address 14a38010
Trampoline setup ([email protected]/220255f4/107fd5f4)
MMU setup: mmu=A0300000/10600000
Go Go Go...
twice it has worked, not because it fails.
Any idea?

I have used XDA Life with Intel 620mhz & then I used TyTn II, I feel the TyTn II is much better then Life. it has no problem with what so ever while running apps. my vote goes to tytn II.

Qualcomm vs Intel Xscale, HTC vs Atom

Need Help guys, confused which one is better..
I heard that the Qualcomm proc. is GPS compatible, but not Intel Xscale..
which one is faster anyway.. looking forward buying HTC Tytn II or Atom Life Pure..

ncex said:
Need Help guys, confused which one is better..
I heard that the Qualcomm proc. is GPS compatible, but not Intel Xscale..
which one is faster anyway.. looking forward buying HTC Tytn II or Atom Life Pure..
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Where did you here Intel Xscale is not compatible with GPS? The Fujtisu-Siemens Loox N-series all have Intel CPUs and GPS.

they use an external chip xscale dont have gps on chi the qualcomm does

Rudegar said:
they use an external chip xscale dont have gps on chi the qualcomm does
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Which one is better performing and has more overclocking capabilities?

just lol.
forget about quallcomm forget about samsung.
htc is killing pda by mounting these ****TY cpu's.

nothin said:
just lol.
forget about quallcomm forget about samsung.
htc is killing pda by mounting these ****TY cpu's.
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let me disagree: Samsung's later, 5xxx/6xxx series CPU's (coming in iPhones and the latest E-TEN devices) are far better than the ARM9 4xxx series ones.

i was thinking about existing REAL devices with wm0x...

htc does use some ****ty ass CPU

Which Device is faster?

Which Device is faster? Kaiser or Universal
Using the following processors & clock speed:
Kaiser processor (Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz) &
Universal (Intel Bulverde 520 MHz processor)
I was confused between the two.
Best Regards

Hi !
I own both.
Universal "feels" faster, also benchmarks give better results for the Universal CPU.

Technically the Kaiser *should* be faster (due to having a later version of the ARM instructions), however 1) WM5/6 doesn't support the extra instructions and 2) the Kaiser is missing drivers for its Graphics chip, so any graphics intensive program runs extremely slow.

Yep, it's nice to see that thanks to HTCs business device policy our Uni is still running top of the line... counted out the handful of really 3D enabled devices

Is Universal the fastest Windows Mobile device available?

Lol..
Try XDA2i in its original state (WM2k3) and feel the difference

Any new ideas about changing my Universal to a beter and faster device !
Best Regards

upgrading to WM6.1 definitely gives the edge over the spped, should give it a try, you can start with Ranju's unbeatable V7.4 ROM for starters.