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Himalaya or Blueangel?

Hi I'm new to these forums, yes I've already done loads of searching and reading the wiki entries, this sounds like a really tight community with really knowledgable people doing stuff that would take microsoft a year to release in a patch themselves.
Anyways I currently have a motorola v300 and i'm feeling the need to upgrade to a gsm pda phone. I would be using it mostly as a phone on a rogers gsm network and for a device to watch movies and pictures on and maybe a bit of surfing. So the himalaya and blueangel look pretty promising and they both offer WM5 upgrade. I was just wondering which one you'd recommend? I guess I'm already kind of leaning towards the blueangel because there seem to be more new ones hanging around on ebay plus the wifi which would be fun to mess around with. But does the himalaya offer better support for WM5? I just noticed more documentation on WM5 for himalaya than for BA (but did notice a himalaya wm5 version to install on BA). Do you think WM5 performs about equal on both?
I was also considering the universal but I think it's a bit out of my price range, and I've read it's kind of slow/buggy? It looks really nicely designed though.
Thanks for your input.

Although I own neither (I have a good old Wallaby), I'd say go with the BlueAngel as it seems to have more features including WiFi and a pull out QWERTY keyboard. Both devices have the same spec CPU and memory so in theory WM5 should perform equally but I haven't seen it for myself so I can only say 'in theory'.
Regards,
Neil.

Blueangel!! first of all it has much better sound through loudspeaker and much more batterry life!! go for BA!!
i have used both BA and hymalaia. BA was the best. But the only problem i have is:
the bluetooth range is only 4 meters when connected with a handsfree.

Don't even think, get blueangel

K-JAM or Eten M600

Hello,
I want to buy a K-Jam or M600, but which one is the best choice??.
The K-jam is 200mhz, Is it too slow??.
What about the warranty of both smartphones?, Where is the best online shop to buy one??.
I am in USA now, But I am from Costa Rica and I travel a lot, so I need an unlock pda phone with WI-FI.
Do you think is in the market other pda phones better?
Thanks and regards,
Gabriel Porras

avoid imate
from what i read in the various forums, IMATE warranty repairs
are abysmal or simple poor. So you might get more milage
and satisfaction out of the Eten product.
A.

So what do you said is the ETEN M600 is much better than the k-JAM?.
Regards,
Gabriel Porras

Some one else can give some information ? please!!!

geporras said:
Some one else can give some information ? please!!!
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Kjam, eten etc are not the way forward.
This, sir, is the way forward
http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=2806

there is alot of satisfied kjam user, if you can live with the slight slow device when u ran too much prog but comes with a nice keyboard. personally i use eten m500 which is wm2003se device and that itself is very very fast thanks to the samsung processor, it comes with alot of programs which is only most htc device requires 3rd party to achieve so out of the box its more usable.. eten m600 is same but with wm2005 and wifi so its better.. by far its the most stable wm2005 device and faster as well not mentioning it comes with aku2 which support bluetooth stereo profile with the new upgrade when others dont have yet. so you will get more out of it. i like the kjam factor and would go for it if it comes with m600 feature. but i will stick to my m500 now till newer device come out next yr.

oh yea i forgot abt htc prophet.. it is slightly better since its not too buggy.. but processor still slow. play around wit them 1st before you decide.. borrow from friends that own them so you'll know what to expect since they already got programs installed..

from what i heard M600 is faster than the Kjam and its camera may be better. it also has full SD slot, which gives you 4GB maximum storage, while the miniSD of the Kjam only gives 2GB max. The Eten M600 currently support the A2DP and AVCR bluetooth profiles which allow you to use bluetooth stereo headphones to listen to music.
On the other hand, M600 lacks EDGE, Infra-red, hardware softkeys, and a keyboard. All of these things the Kjam has.

Thanks!!!
What is EDEGE??, Is that important?.
I need the following minimum requirements of M600 (to work in my country)
GSM with phase 2 plus.
1800 mhz
No SIM lock.
ADN – FDN – SDN
SIM 3 v to 5 v
GPRS
900 – 800 – 1900 MHZ (for roaming).
GPRS 4:1
WAP 1.2 2.0.
The M600 has all of this?
So, finally. Do you think the M600 is the best choice?.
Regards to everybody.
Gabriel Porras

yea m600 support four bands, 800,900,1800,1900. no 2100 thou(wcdma/umts)
what is adn, fdn, sdn??
not sure abt wap1.2 or 2.0 as the pocket ie cant run wap site in my country as i told them my m500 is similar to magician, and they say magician(mini) dun support wap?!?!?! i dun believe that thou.. shoul b able to achieve by 3rd party even if you cant use pocket ie. so far i still cant get wap/gprs working on my fone since vodafone aust wont give me the correct settings so cant confirm. thers always wifi on m600 to compensate for that. since m600 is wm5.0 unlike my m500 should be able to if the other wm5.0 is able to use wap and gprs.
m600 is after all a much better upgrade of m500

msafi said:
from what i heard M600 is faster than the Kjam and its camera may be better. it also has full SD slot, which gives you 4GB maximum storage, while the miniSD of the Kjam only gives 2GB max. The Eten M600 currently support the A2DP and AVCR bluetooth profiles which allow you to use bluetooth stereo headphones to listen to music.
On the other hand, M600 lacks EDGE, Infra-red, hardware softkeys, and a keyboard. All of these things the Kjam has.
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m600 is muchhhhhh faster than kjam.. it is benchmarked to be around same speed as universal even thou its 416mhz.. mayb cose its samsung processor.. so you shouldnt have problem with slowness.. edge dun really hit in my country so dun need it, i dun even use gprs.. infrared is not needed as my m500 comes with infrared but its not the strong version so cant really use it as remote. hardware softkeys can be assign to any button you want as long you willing to sacrifice the other buttons. keyboard well thats the only pro i see in kjam. lookwise they are both nice.. m600 has the black v3 looks that is quite stylish.. kjam is silver all around and nice too..

M600 is faster, but is better than the k-jam?.
What is EDGE? for what is this?.
What do you mean with soft keys?.
Thanks and Regards,
Gabriel Porras

Do you know what GPRS is? It's being able to connect to the internet from your phone without WiFi. Internet speed with GPRS is like dialup speed. EDGE (also known as EGPRS) in practical life is about 3 times faster than GPRS. Where I live, I can get EDGE connection for 6 US dollars a month, that's why EDGE is important to me.
As for softkeys, it's something that is Windows Mobile 5 related. You know how in the Nokia cellphones you have two buttons that have labels in the screen? For example, in the front screen, when you press that button it takes you to contacts, but once you are in contacts if you press that button again it takes you to search. The button is context sensative and you know what it does by reading the label on the screen. It's called softkey.
So, Microsoft did the same thing with WM5 to reduce stylus and touchscreen dependancy. Now, some WM5 devices come with hardware buttons that are dedicated to those softkeys, and some devices come without them. For those devices that come without the softkey hardware buttons, you can simply click on the softkey with your stylus/finger or, like Cutefox said, you can assign different hardware buttons to the softkeys (i actually never thought about this one before.)

Thanks man for the information.
Now I understand. So the m600 doen´t have any softkey. I´sn´t it?.
Ok. I Think we don´t have edge in my country yet. So I won´t have this problem, jejeje.
Is another PDA phone unlock, better than M600?.
Regards,
Gabriel Porras

??????

you really should base your decision on if you need a keyboard or not
get the k-jam if you plan to do a lot of text messages and so on
get the m600 for all other things that require more power
one isn't better over the other, it just depends on what you plan to use

Thanks a lot for your comments.
When I saw the first time the k-jam I felt in love. But I am worry about the 200mhz. If it is too slow.
I want the pda phone to in contact with my office and customers by email.
We have offices in U.S.A and in Central America. That is why is very important to me be in contact. I need the WI-Fi. But I am worry about the speed.
I had the IPAQ 3955. But I have to carry the pda and the phone. I want one thing all together.
I saw the M600 and I liked to.
So that is my only question?. It´s the M600 very good, is another better?. Imate? k-jam?. You are the experts. Could you tell me??.
Regards for everything.
Gabriel Porras

i have an HTC Wizard and it's a very good device. Today I had to input a lot of appointments in the Calendar while i was out. i was really happy that i had the hardware keyboard to help me conveniently input the texts. i hate having to deal with hand-recognition or little virtual keyboards.
anyway, the 200mhz OMAP processor isn't too bad. Some people are also reporting slowness problems with HTC Universal, which is supposed to be faster. i have encountered slowness problems in the Wizard when i tried to play Worms (or graphic intensive games) and listen to audio files on AudiblePlayer at the same time. Some games (or Audio players) let you adjust the program's priority to the processor. adjusting these options can completely ELIMINATE this problem, which leads me to think that those programs that don't work well, aren't optimized for WM5 in the first place...
And don't forget 200mhz OMAP processor will give you amazing battery life.
I personally think you should go with K-Jam. it's what you first wanted, and it's a good device. just be a little patient if you face problems, WM5 isn't really intuitive.
good luck

Well!!!! what can I tell you!!???
Just thanks to take the time to ask my questions. Thank you very much.
Final question. How about the warrinty, parts, support and other things like that?.
Regards,
Gabriel Porras

another thing i wanted to point out about the 200mhz processor, i think it's dual core, such that one is dedicated to the pda functions and the other to the phone
of course then in pda mode it's still limited to 200mhz
the only major problems with it is if you will multitask a lot
as for warranty, i can't help much there
but support wise, there will be a lot more support for the k-jam since so many people use it
that way when you come to this forum, or another forum, there are a lot of others that have the same device and if you have a problem, likely someone else or a bunch have had it too, which helps since that means there are more people with solutions as well as hacks and so on

Have Wallaby, want to upgrade to new model; best option?

I have a 3 year old T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition (HTC Wallaby) and would like to upgrade it to a new model Pocket PC Phone. I'm a little confused about some of the new models being offered on eBay. T-Mobile USA is supposed to offer the MDA (HTC Wizard) soon.
The HTC Universal (Jas-Jar) seems too large and heavy, and many people seem to be very disapointed in both the phone and the processor.
The HTC Magician seems very popular; small and fairly fast. The HTC Wizard looks like an upgraded model, plus the keyboard. The HTC Prophet looks like a Wizard without the keyboard? Am I missing something?
I really love my old Wallaby, especially since I upgraded the internal battery to a 1750mAh model! I use the pocket pc functions more than the phone. The radio in the phone is pretty weak.
Are the new models worth the price?
Do the phone radios work better?
Should I just stay with what I have; until it dies?
Thanks for any input!

I'd go with the Wizard right now. It's small, it has WM5 and an excellent keyboard. The only downside that it has a relatively small processor (TI OMAP 850, runs at 196 mhz), which you might not notice with regular usage, I'm pretty sure morphgear for example won't run on it with a decent speed. Skype has problems too. But if you don't really play games and/or use skype, it is a wise choice. If you do, and you don't need WiFi/WM5/keyboard, you should go with the magician.

Nah, HTC Universal is wonderful. The only downside to it is the size. If you can find your way past the size its the best possible device.

RyanZA said:
Nah, HTC Universal is wonderful. The only downside to it is the size. If you can find your way past the size its the best possible device.
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Universal is waaaay too big.
Mychoices would be between Charmer, Prophet and Wizard.

I totally agree with TheBrit & I love small devices. The magician is a bad choice nowadays as it's been replaced. So I'd go for a wizard for the keyboard, second pick Charmer & Prophet
M

Radio strength?
Do any of the new models have upgraded Radio Transmitters/Receivers? The phone reception on my Wallaby is pretty weak, I end up using my wife's cell phone if we are in an fringe area on reception.
T-Mobile is supposed to soon include 850 MHz Roaming here in the US, so I want a tri or quad band phone. If I get the Magician, I have to choose between 850 and 900 MHz. Since I travel a lot, I guess it'll have to be the Wizard or the Phophet, since they're quads.
Thank you for all the good advice!

What to buy - Urgent

I after loosing my XDA2i just after 5 days of buying. now looking to an other phone. please guide what to buy. I have following options
1) XDA2i
2) I-Mat KJam
3) PDA2K
4) Nokia 7710 (smart phone)
i really disappointed from the camera results of XDA2i , it had only 1 plus point that was 520 Mhz processor.
can you please share your experience now which i should buy from above.
2nd can anyone please tell me what Nokia 7710 cant do which PDAs can do. in other words what a PDA has more + points from a smart phone like N7710 or SE P910i etc
my preferences are quick typing over IM and good quality camera.
Please guide , i don’t want to waste more money with in 1 month.

Khurram said:
I after loosing my XDA2i just after 5 days of buying. now looking to an other phone. please guide what to buy. I have following options
1) XDA2i
2) I-Mat KJam
3) PDA2K
4) Nokia 7710 (smart phone)
i really disappointed from the camera results of XDA2i , it had only 1 plus point that was 520 Mhz processor.
can you please share your experience now which i should buy from above.
2nd can anyone please tell me what Nokia 7710 cant do which PDAs can do. in other words what a PDA has more + points from a smart phone like N7710 or SE P910i etc
my preferences are quick typing over IM and good quality camera.
Please guide , i don’t want to waste more money with in 1 month.
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Stay away from XDA2i, PDA2k - these are old models. Camera on older PDAs is NOT very good. I-mate K-Jam runs Windows Mobile 5, which has a great benefit compared to the older models, when the battery is empty on the older models, all information is lost. On WM5 based PDAs you will not experience this. The i-mate K-Jam has unfortunatelly only an Texas Instrument 200 MHz processor, a bit slow..besides that this is a nice PDA.
JiC

I had the XDAII, now the universal
my colleague has the Imate JAM, and two other colleagues the K Jam
You really have to ask what you want. K Jam as built in WIFI - big plus. Universal has video conferening and WIFI. K Jam and Universal have hard keyboards built in.
The others that are listed have an older rom version. if you are going to buy an expensive phone, pay a bit more and get the latest model and operating system.
with the kjam, yes the processor is slower, but having briefly used it, doesnt represent that much of an impact, but provides much longer battery life. The processor is "tweaked" somehow by the manufacturer, so unless you are going to really use it, hack it, and put it under load, then consider the universal with the faster processor.
cant comment on the nokia, except that its nearly as big as the universal with less functions.

What's the best phone at the moment

Hi all,
I have been using imate k-jam aka wizard for a long time(2 years), and always felt slow doing anything and everything. Recently i buyed imate jasjam aka hermes thinking about its 400 mhz cpu. But to be frank and truthful both of them lagged the same way(sometimes hermes is better), but both are reasonably slow. I have even used my friends imate-jam aka magician- and im really truthful it was way too fast, everything works amazingly, changing the theme doesnt require more than 2 secs- which in my wizards takes more than 30 secs, playing big video's smoothly and-and internet pages was rendered amazingly-which my 2 costly devices could't do!!!
Now listening about wats going on with kaiser, its pitiful that such a good device also lags in performance. I wonder wats going on with HTC all expensive devices lags.
So guys, what do you think would be better device with all such funtionalities and faster performace. I am stuck with Asus P750...
What do you think...??

i want touch cruse
but if people like keyboard then kaiser is the thing

I think you will want to wait for HTC to iron out the bugs with Kaiser. I do the same - and purchased a Nokia N95 in the meantime so that I'm not without new toys, which I absolutely love. This device REALLY rocks! (I only wish it ran Windows Mobile...)

I was planning on getting myself the Kaiser 120 before the new year. Yeah, I read a few posts regarding the keyboard issue. True bumme. Then I thought about waiting to get the E-Ten M800 (it's looks mean, lol), but the has 64mg ram, as the Kaiser has 128mg or ram and a 3mg camera. Having a slide out keyboard and windows os is a must for me. Decisions decisions. I have until January to make a decision, lol.

robosiris said:
I was planning on getting myself the Kaiser 120 before the new year. Yeah, I read a few posts regarding the keyboard issue. True bumme. Then I thought about waiting to get the E-Ten M800 (it's looks mean, lol), but the has 64mg ram, as the Kaiser has 128mg or ram and a 3mg camera. Having a slide out keyboard and windows os is a must for me. Decisions decisions. I have until January to make a decision, lol.
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If yoou still have 1.5 months, if I were you, I'd wait for the new announcements of HTC (Q1 2008 models). I really hope for something like the Omni (as long as it's not Google-only).

first i thought, that i will buy the new O2 XDA Orbit 2 (HTC Touch Cruise).. but then i found O2 XDA Stellar (coming soon 26th November i hope ) and then
--> BOA
I WANT THIS THING!!!
so i think the HTC TyTN II - Kaiser will be the best phone at this time

It's all relative honestly. There is no one best phone right now.
I dislike the TyTN II because to me its too thick. I have the X800 Gloffish and think its a bettet device personally. I have been waiting for the Polaris and we shall see, but again that my preference.
I think the N95 is the best non WM device right now. I sell phones and nothing sells better and is more popular.
It comes down to what you are looking for in a phone. I cannot wait for the HP 914 personally.

Menneisyys said:
If yoou still have 1.5 months, if I were you, I'd wait for the new announcements of HTC (Q1 2008 models). I really hope for something like the Omni (as long as it's not Google-only).
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I had the HTC Herald for about a year now, and it's time to upgrade. I read about the HTC Omni, the specs on that gigantic "thing" is impressive. That thing is a mini laptop. I wouldn't even know how to answer a call on that thing, lol. It reminds me of the HTC Advantage regarding size. That Omni is not pocketable (at least for me, lol). E-Ten M800 let me down because of the 64ram instead of 128. I plan to get the kaiser in a few weeks. And besides, no matter what I get, several months down the road, something similar will come out that even better

yeah there is no best phone
one mans nightmare is another dream
if there was a best phone everybody with enough
money would own the same device
same goes for the "best" rom really

Menneisyys said:
I think you will want to wait for HTC to iron out the bugs with Kaiser.
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The Kaiser has the makings to be one of the best phone, if HTC were to pull out the thumb from their *ss and start fixing bugs. I am not very optimistic though. So far my impression of HTC is that they fix bugs by introducing new devices with these fixes incorporated and leave us unlucky beta-testers to rot. What they guarantee by doing so is that, while they probably get a lot of new customers, they loose many old ones...

Nobody here likes asus p750 it has more functionalities than kaiser it is fast too (see the alex review in modaco). But only problem is 64 mb ram.

o2's version of the Polaris ( Orbit 2/ Touch Cruise ). Really one sweet device, built in GPS, 128mb memory, 3MP auto focus cam + front facing cam for video calls etc, 400mhz CPU, 3G for speedy downloads and browsing where you carnt use wifi.
Absolutley one sexy device, this is my next phone and will be for many many ppl.

samy.3660 said:
Nobody here likes asus p750 it has more functionalities than kaiser it is fast too (see the alex review in modaco). But only problem is 64 mb ram.
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I do not recall 64 MB being a problem when this was the maximum memory available in phones. Now, with 128 MB models available this is suddenly a big issue. Both my previous WM phones, the Prophet (i-mate JAMin) and the Hermes (i-mate JASJAM) ran just fine with 64 MB. Note that these ran WM5. The Kaiser comes with 128 MB RAM and WM6. Is WM6 more demanding than WM5?

abubasim said:
Is WM6 more demanding than WM5?
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Nope, not really.

I personally think the TYTN II is quite up there right now in terms of WM....non WM i agree N95(8GB black !)....also the Sony Ericsson P1 is quite a device but has been overshadowed by WM....its got a 3.2 MP,128 RAM,256 ROM,wifi,Bluetooth 2 wid A2DP,runs the Symbian UIQ....

Well
It's a bit hard, what i would say is the ROM and RAM, personally i found HTC, O2 products are nearly perfect, but just RAM is not enough....so if they can increase the RAM capacity from common 64m to 128m or even higher...then i guess....WOW.....cuz you know as lately most products are already come with built-in GPS, ROM 256m, 1g, or even higher 2g(O2 Flame)....so the crucial part is RAM.....what do you think??

I own the Asus P750, HTC TyTN II, Nokia E90, Nokia N95 8GB, iPhone 8GB and others.
Regarding the GUI/OS/Usability, no phone beats the iPhone.
Regarding camera photo/video quality and size/weight, no phone beats the Nokia N95 8GB.
Regarding internet surfing/display quality(inner display)/keyboard, no phone beats the Nokia E90.
Regarding WM6, no phone beats the Asus P750 which is very fast and has compared to the HTC TyTN II a much better video capability, 64 MB RAM only isn't a real issue.
The Nokia N95 8GB is a very nice do-it-all phone but mostly our American friends seem to be impressed with it, simply because they didn't have the N80 or N95 in time to compare it with. Yes, the N95 8GB is an impressive piece of technology but I started to hate Symbian because of the non-professional, junkie surfboy GUI design look. Seriously, the Symbian guys must get their stuff straight because this is not a GUI design they should use on a fantastic hardware like the N95 8GB or the E90.
OS-wise, I tend to like the iPhone OS and WM6 more and more and if Microsoft succeeds in making WM7 more stable, faster and introducing new and intelligent functions, I'm sold.
A last word regarding the Asus P750: I'm a bit disappointed with the quality of this unit. The external quality is great, very Palm Treo 750-like, no problem here. Apparently there is something "loose" on my device because when I shake it, I hear that something inside the phone is moving. When I talk to somebody, the loudspeaker seems to vibrate with a high pitch trembling noise, like as something is loose and the sound of the loudspeaker makes it move stronger resulting in a very unpleasant secondary noise(sounds like a distortion in the speaker). I can't return the P750 anymore since my wife was clever enough to throw away the original package and the dealer refuses to take it back without it, which I can understand very well. Women...

I'm digging this soon to be one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367563

I'm a proud owner of Touch Cruise, I love it - simply

i've tried a lot of devices
but because speed,stability,hardware keyboard,GPS on board and big screens are must for me, i prefer kaiser