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Hello,
I want to buy a K-Jam or M600, but which one is the best choice??.
The K-jam is 200mhz, Is it too slow??.
What about the warranty of both smartphones?, Where is the best online shop to buy one??.
I am in USA now, But I am from Costa Rica and I travel a lot, so I need an unlock pda phone with WI-FI.
Do you think is in the market other pda phones better?
Thanks and regards,
Gabriel Porras
avoid imate
from what i read in the various forums, IMATE warranty repairs
are abysmal or simple poor. So you might get more milage
and satisfaction out of the Eten product.
A.
So what do you said is the ETEN M600 is much better than the k-JAM?.
Regards,
Gabriel Porras
Some one else can give some information ? please!!!
geporras said:
Some one else can give some information ? please!!!
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Kjam, eten etc are not the way forward.
This, sir, is the way forward
http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=2806
there is alot of satisfied kjam user, if you can live with the slight slow device when u ran too much prog but comes with a nice keyboard. personally i use eten m500 which is wm2003se device and that itself is very very fast thanks to the samsung processor, it comes with alot of programs which is only most htc device requires 3rd party to achieve so out of the box its more usable.. eten m600 is same but with wm2005 and wifi so its better.. by far its the most stable wm2005 device and faster as well not mentioning it comes with aku2 which support bluetooth stereo profile with the new upgrade when others dont have yet. so you will get more out of it. i like the kjam factor and would go for it if it comes with m600 feature. but i will stick to my m500 now till newer device come out next yr.
oh yea i forgot abt htc prophet.. it is slightly better since its not too buggy.. but processor still slow. play around wit them 1st before you decide.. borrow from friends that own them so you'll know what to expect since they already got programs installed..
from what i heard M600 is faster than the Kjam and its camera may be better. it also has full SD slot, which gives you 4GB maximum storage, while the miniSD of the Kjam only gives 2GB max. The Eten M600 currently support the A2DP and AVCR bluetooth profiles which allow you to use bluetooth stereo headphones to listen to music.
On the other hand, M600 lacks EDGE, Infra-red, hardware softkeys, and a keyboard. All of these things the Kjam has.
Thanks!!!
What is EDEGE??, Is that important?.
I need the following minimum requirements of M600 (to work in my country)
GSM with phase 2 plus.
1800 mhz
No SIM lock.
ADN – FDN – SDN
SIM 3 v to 5 v
GPRS
900 – 800 – 1900 MHZ (for roaming).
GPRS 4:1
WAP 1.2 2.0.
The M600 has all of this?
So, finally. Do you think the M600 is the best choice?.
Regards to everybody.
Gabriel Porras
yea m600 support four bands, 800,900,1800,1900. no 2100 thou(wcdma/umts)
what is adn, fdn, sdn??
not sure abt wap1.2 or 2.0 as the pocket ie cant run wap site in my country as i told them my m500 is similar to magician, and they say magician(mini) dun support wap?!?!?! i dun believe that thou.. shoul b able to achieve by 3rd party even if you cant use pocket ie. so far i still cant get wap/gprs working on my fone since vodafone aust wont give me the correct settings so cant confirm. thers always wifi on m600 to compensate for that. since m600 is wm5.0 unlike my m500 should be able to if the other wm5.0 is able to use wap and gprs.
m600 is after all a much better upgrade of m500
msafi said:
from what i heard M600 is faster than the Kjam and its camera may be better. it also has full SD slot, which gives you 4GB maximum storage, while the miniSD of the Kjam only gives 2GB max. The Eten M600 currently support the A2DP and AVCR bluetooth profiles which allow you to use bluetooth stereo headphones to listen to music.
On the other hand, M600 lacks EDGE, Infra-red, hardware softkeys, and a keyboard. All of these things the Kjam has.
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m600 is muchhhhhh faster than kjam.. it is benchmarked to be around same speed as universal even thou its 416mhz.. mayb cose its samsung processor.. so you shouldnt have problem with slowness.. edge dun really hit in my country so dun need it, i dun even use gprs.. infrared is not needed as my m500 comes with infrared but its not the strong version so cant really use it as remote. hardware softkeys can be assign to any button you want as long you willing to sacrifice the other buttons. keyboard well thats the only pro i see in kjam. lookwise they are both nice.. m600 has the black v3 looks that is quite stylish.. kjam is silver all around and nice too..
M600 is faster, but is better than the k-jam?.
What is EDGE? for what is this?.
What do you mean with soft keys?.
Thanks and Regards,
Gabriel Porras
Do you know what GPRS is? It's being able to connect to the internet from your phone without WiFi. Internet speed with GPRS is like dialup speed. EDGE (also known as EGPRS) in practical life is about 3 times faster than GPRS. Where I live, I can get EDGE connection for 6 US dollars a month, that's why EDGE is important to me.
As for softkeys, it's something that is Windows Mobile 5 related. You know how in the Nokia cellphones you have two buttons that have labels in the screen? For example, in the front screen, when you press that button it takes you to contacts, but once you are in contacts if you press that button again it takes you to search. The button is context sensative and you know what it does by reading the label on the screen. It's called softkey.
So, Microsoft did the same thing with WM5 to reduce stylus and touchscreen dependancy. Now, some WM5 devices come with hardware buttons that are dedicated to those softkeys, and some devices come without them. For those devices that come without the softkey hardware buttons, you can simply click on the softkey with your stylus/finger or, like Cutefox said, you can assign different hardware buttons to the softkeys (i actually never thought about this one before.)
Thanks man for the information.
Now I understand. So the m600 doen´t have any softkey. I´sn´t it?.
Ok. I Think we don´t have edge in my country yet. So I won´t have this problem, jejeje.
Is another PDA phone unlock, better than M600?.
Regards,
Gabriel Porras
??????
you really should base your decision on if you need a keyboard or not
get the k-jam if you plan to do a lot of text messages and so on
get the m600 for all other things that require more power
one isn't better over the other, it just depends on what you plan to use
Thanks a lot for your comments.
When I saw the first time the k-jam I felt in love. But I am worry about the 200mhz. If it is too slow.
I want the pda phone to in contact with my office and customers by email.
We have offices in U.S.A and in Central America. That is why is very important to me be in contact. I need the WI-Fi. But I am worry about the speed.
I had the IPAQ 3955. But I have to carry the pda and the phone. I want one thing all together.
I saw the M600 and I liked to.
So that is my only question?. It´s the M600 very good, is another better?. Imate? k-jam?. You are the experts. Could you tell me??.
Regards for everything.
Gabriel Porras
i have an HTC Wizard and it's a very good device. Today I had to input a lot of appointments in the Calendar while i was out. i was really happy that i had the hardware keyboard to help me conveniently input the texts. i hate having to deal with hand-recognition or little virtual keyboards.
anyway, the 200mhz OMAP processor isn't too bad. Some people are also reporting slowness problems with HTC Universal, which is supposed to be faster. i have encountered slowness problems in the Wizard when i tried to play Worms (or graphic intensive games) and listen to audio files on AudiblePlayer at the same time. Some games (or Audio players) let you adjust the program's priority to the processor. adjusting these options can completely ELIMINATE this problem, which leads me to think that those programs that don't work well, aren't optimized for WM5 in the first place...
And don't forget 200mhz OMAP processor will give you amazing battery life.
I personally think you should go with K-Jam. it's what you first wanted, and it's a good device. just be a little patient if you face problems, WM5 isn't really intuitive.
good luck
Well!!!! what can I tell you!!???
Just thanks to take the time to ask my questions. Thank you very much.
Final question. How about the warrinty, parts, support and other things like that?.
Regards,
Gabriel Porras
another thing i wanted to point out about the 200mhz processor, i think it's dual core, such that one is dedicated to the pda functions and the other to the phone
of course then in pda mode it's still limited to 200mhz
the only major problems with it is if you will multitask a lot
as for warranty, i can't help much there
but support wise, there will be a lot more support for the k-jam since so many people use it
that way when you come to this forum, or another forum, there are a lot of others that have the same device and if you have a problem, likely someone else or a bunch have had it too, which helps since that means there are more people with solutions as well as hacks and so on
The JAM/S100 still has a faster processor than the new Orange M600 / S200 / Jamin.
I've had my S100 for a year now and my contract is nearly up, I am tempted to upgrade to the M600 but not sure it will really be worth it?
Are there any apps that can give my existing S100 the same functionality as M600/S200 ?
Most wanted features would be:
1. Outlook Photo sync and display when calling (I've tried some software but you have to assign photos seperate from outlook)
2. Sync Media files (Movies etc) like WM10 does
3. Push email (maybe mail2web works with WM2003 ?)
Other nice features that the M600/S200 has that would be worth a possible upgrade are:
USB2 (much faster media transfer - or is there STILL active sync bug?)
Quad band (I don't really go away except on hols when i leave it at home!)
2mp camera, (I have a seperate digital camera)
Wifi. I have wifi at home but cannot think of a reason to use it , I can just put it in the cradle!
Any one out there upgraded from S100 to S200 ? who would like to comment on speed / improvements etc ?
Thanks
OK So no replies then ?
I've decided to take the plunge and get the Orange M600.
I got it as a free upgrade and also managed to increase my inclusive mins
from 180 (Family plan) to 200 Xnet + 100 landline + 100 texts (Non family plan) for the same monthly price (£25)
Nice.
Lets hope the M600 does not dissapoint.
I have a Wizard (QTek 9100, MDA Vario) now and a Magician (S100, MDA Compact) before. The Wizard is as fast as the Magician, only the reboot needs some more time 'cause WM5. I have no problems with ActiveSync and Wifi nor anything else. I don't want a new WM2003/WM5 flame thread, but i think WM5 has many improvements. I loved the Metal case of my Magician, the Wizard is thiker and feels not so "stable", but it is also a good device. But the Prophet (S200) has the same size as the Magician.
Ok after long deliberation I have canceled my order for the M600.
I was waiting for Orange to have stock, during that time I have had a chance to play with my girlfriends new Pink Charmer (Mda 2 on T-mobile) and was dissapointed by the general reaction time and that it didnt play my movies as well as the S100 !) - I belive this phone has the same processor as the M600.
SO I have switched to Easymobile as they were doing a deal for £21 airtime for £1, its like a pay-as-you-go contract and I will probably PORT over to T-mobile when the next best MDA comes out (S300 anyone ?)..
Until then I have bought a 4gb MMC card for my S100.. ;-)
Did the 4 GB Card work?
The next MDA will be the Vario II (HTC Hermes), and he has a 300 Mhz Procesor.
Yup memory card worked fine..
it was a
Adata 4GB 200x Turbo MMC 4.0 from Ebay cost about 70 pounds.
I dont think its the actual phone which is slow but the ROM, a friend of mine has a MDA Compact II which I've played around with, which i thought was a bit slow compared to my M600 flashed with Imate Rom. Plus the MDA doesnt have the softkeys as the key config is still adapted to the old WM2003 style.
I also used to have a Magician and I can say that I am extremely happy with the upgrade and dont see any difference in reaction speed (apart from video playback, just need to reencode the video to 320x240). Plus the feel of the casing on the M600 is so much nicer, has kinda a rubber fell to it, giving a better non-split grip.
My feeling on the matter is that, yes, WM5 would be pretty hot, partly because it's more mature and handles a lot of things better, but mostly because it would finally allow proper A2DP outside of windows media player (most of my music is AAC, hence the frustration).
The wifi would only be a big boon to me because I like to use my handset for Skype, and swapping out cards is a pain. However, the different (though, perhaps not actually slower, in real-world terms?) CPU does not run any version of Skype that currently exists (they're working on it, I gather), so that wouldn't really help.
I like the look of the Hermes (Wizard + BT 2.0 + Xscale + 2Mpx cam) as my next handset, though I'm severely tempted by SE's W950i (4Gb internal memory, QVGA touch-screen, thin~).
I think that Windows Mobile based phones probably won't be really ready for the prime time for another generation or so
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CPU does not run any version of Skype that currently exists (they're working on it, I gather), so that wouldn't really help.
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Skype works fine one my Prophet! voice calls too.
I guess they sorted it without telling me? Man, they're mean.
Also, I just remembered: the Muse!
Re: OK So NO Mobile 5 for my JAM/S100 BUT is it worth upgrad
gregory_marsh said:
Most wanted features would be:
1. Outlook Photo sync and display when calling (I've tried some software but you have to assign photos seperate from outlook)
2. Sync Media files (Movies etc) like WM10 does
3. Push email (maybe mail2web works with WM2003 ?)
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For push-mail I use VGSMail. It's an imap client. So you need an imap mail account, it doesn't work with pop accounts. http://www.vgsmail.com/ppc/
Regards, M
I upgraded my Magician to a Prophet (free upgrade and £130 on eBay for the Magician) and yes it's a little slower but not so much. In the Prophet forum there's a thread about overclocking the Prophet whick makes a huge improvement when running Skype and TomTom.
Hi,
Please help me choose my next phone.
I currently own Nokia 9300 and I just sold Orange SPV C600/HTC Tornado due to lack of applications. I used to have Cingular 8125/HTC Wizard but I sold it because the signal reception and call quality was poor.
Now I am considering getting XDA Atom or i-Mate Jamin/HTC Prophet as they are similarly priced and have similar specs. I like Atom because it presumably has the faster processor and is 8 grams lighter. I like Jamin because it has a little bit bigger screen, more hardware keys and is sold by more then one company so more choices for ROMs etc.
My questions are:
1. Does Atom have hardware soft keys?
2. Does Atom's processor make a difference?
3. Which phone has better battery?
4. Does Jamin suffer from bad reception and bad call quality ala HTC Wizard? How is Atom in this?
5. Are there any other factors I should consider?
What do you think I should buy? I would be very interested in hearing from people who have had both phones.
I thank you for your time!
Here is what I can tell you based on specs and my experience with the Jamin:
First, no problems during calls on the Jamin.
Second, ATOM does not have hardware soft keys, and I find them very comfortable on the Jamin.
As far as the processor is concerned, there is nothing Jamin can not handle because of speed (video, navigation skype) although some times it needs overclocking.
I tested mine with the free omapclock, and it ran fine at 256MHz.
Other factors to consider:
Jamin is quad band, has WiFi g and BT 2.0 while ATOM is only tri band, has WiFi b and BT 1.2
All in all I am very happy with my Jamin, but this is just one user opinion.
levenum, thanks for your help. I have one more question does Jamin have A2DP? How about with the latest ROMs?
My only concern is signal reception as I had this problem with Wizard. A question to users who have used Wizard and Jamin do you find Jamin gets better reception?
Thanks!
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levenum, thanks for your help. I have one more question does Jamin have A2DP? How about with the latest ROMs?
My only concern is signal reception as I had this problem with Wizard. A question to users who have used Wizard and Jamin do you find Jamin gets better reception?
Thanks!
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A2DP is implemented in Prophet by installing Tornado A2DP modules (.dll’s and registry entries.) Search the forum to download required files. 2 min. work. Works like a charm! The signal reception is not an issue. Specially with new radio rom 2.31 (look on the ftp for the upgrade) Also you may want to CID unlock your phone for future upgrades and downgrades with cross vendor upgrades. G 3 phones (SPL up to 2. 15.000) are unlocked by “PDAMobiz rom downgrade and unlock” tools. You may want to consider change paging pool size from 12 mb. top 16 mb. to speed up prophet. You’ll notice major speed difference! Search the forum for the directions.
Originally I wanted Atom as well, but I hear about too many problems with this phone. So I’m sticking with prophet. I would recommend reading forum/threads and see what other people are experiencing with these phones and what can/cannot be done with them . Good luck.
I struggled with this exact same question recently...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279061
Those are the problems I have heard of with the Atom and when people who own the Atom tell you to get another phone, I figured that was enough for me and ordered a jammin
I was lucky and won a **** load of money on some stupid TV-show.
Now I am able to but myself a really nice phone..
My question is: Which phone should I buy. Which model/brand is the best of the best (for this moment ofcourse?)
Thx
Try Dell
Am hearing all the rave reviews for dell axim x5 but I havent used it yet
give me half money then i will tell you which is the best pda momently
i like hp ipaq 6828
so give me half, we will buy together
take a look here
http://www.gsmarena.com/hp_ipaq_rw6828-1606.php
i would buy zaurus sl-c1000 and small nokia phone
If I were to choose from what is available right now I would go for either the TyTN or the Trinity depending on how much I need / dislike the keyboard.
Problem is there is a new and even better model out almost every week...
I will say that the most stable at the moment is Asus, so, i will point you on it.
Best for me?
I'd have to throw my vote to the HTC Herald.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/11/20/htc-herald-gets-its-htc-branding-the-p4350/
Who needs video conferencing from your mobile?
I don't know. According to specs Herald looks like a Wizard with a new case.
Same 200MHz processor, same 64/128 memory configuration, the only improvements are WiFi G and 2MP camera.
Not that it's a bad phone, but if you can afford the latest why not get something that is a step ahead.
/nag mode on
This should be under a general forum, not under a prophet upgrading forum
/nag mode off
if an PPC with TI OMAP 3430, 550MHz CPU, i'ld to chose it ^_^
Yeah wrong section.
That said - a Hermes with a built-in GPS and proper connectors on the base instead of that stupid hybrid thing - would be just about my perfect device.
Given the driver issues and mixed reviews on the forum(speed, camera, scrolling) I was wondering if we could get a sense of overall satisfaction with the device. Would you buy one again, even if there is never a fix for the driver issues?
I would, but definitely not for this kind of money!!
the device is worth every little penny.
It would help if you guys mention what device you came from. It helps to understand what you have been used to in order to gauge your current opinion. For example, if you came directly from a dog-slow KJAM (not OC'ed) and say the TC is fast, then that's good to know.
By far best pocket pc device. Most complete with great form factor. I have owned the following:
Siemens SX56
Siemens SX66
Audiovox p4400
eten G500
xda atom
imate jasjar
htc tytn
htc p3300
htc p3600
htc kaiser
Knowing the driver issue and HTC's stance about it - I would not. Too much money at stake!
By far best pocket pc device. Most complete with great form factor and best phone module. I have owned the following:
SP : typhoon , tornado , startrek , excalibur , cavalier.
pocketpc : magician , wizard , universal , prophet , hermes , trinity , artemis , cheetah , herald , kaiser , niki , and for last polaris.
and non HTC , eten m600 x500 x800 , hp 6815 , asus p525 , and a few of SE and nokia smartphone.
the best pocketpc phone, I'd buy it again a hundred times!!!
i switched back to a P3600/Trinity.
if i would't consider to play games via nes/snes/gba emulators, i probably wouldn't sell the polaris...
next device will be the eten v900 or samsung i900 (vga+dvb-t VS 5mpx-cam+8gb internal memory) ... difficult decision..
bjrmd said:
Given the driver issues and mixed reviews on the forum(speed, camera, scrolling) I was wondering if we could get a sense of overall satisfaction with the device. Would you buy one again, even if there is never a fix for the driver issues?
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If I need another PDA, Yes.
If I need a pocketable video player or play games, I'd buy a PSP.
If I need a good picture quality, I'd buy a digital camera.
That mean's the answer is Yes I am happy and I will buy again if I need to! but never on the same price!
definately would buy it again, it does combine most features one needs in a PDA/Phone
(which dont include.... Camera and Video player) if one needs to watch a video on the go a laptop is still the best bet... who wants to watch mini video?
they should have left the secondary camera out all together (or installed a flash)
some of us work, so the usefullness of watching video in perfect quality is not a high prio.
this gadget:
gets you where you are going (GPS)
has all necessary ability to handle day to day work tasks (Office Mobile)
can make calls (phone)
and has the benefits of all of the 3rd party apps out there for it (anything else you need)
Totally agree with ‘xrrkrrkx’, I’ve had all sorts of PDAs from the Psion and Casio days, through Ipaq onto K-Jam, the T-Mob’s MDA’s...
The Polaris is a useful tool first and a toy second for me so some video lag (which hardly bothers me anyway) is acceptable due to all the other top features + its form factor make this a must for me and I’d pay up again to get one.
Having come over from the Kaiser thread it's incredible to for me to see all the negative comments about the Polaris which basically has the same (if not better) performance as the Kaiser, but without the weight! For me it's the best all round device I've ever used and I think my Kaiser will be up for sale....
Remember that in almost any forum for hardware,
most posters do only write when they are unhappy about something.
Almost no one write any message just because they are happy with there phone.
Try count the negative weight of messages against sold phones.
I came from HTC 4350 to this one, its the best phone I ever owned,
and so I said about 4350 also. But it is !!
Before HTC I used all kinds of Nokia.
I use Push mail from work to the phone, 15 mails each day that I read,
I'll give IT support over the phone to 1500 people, 10-15 each day.
I use blue tooth over my car stereo back and forth to work,
else I'll use my Blue tooth headset 8 hours a day.
Sometimes I even use tomtom when going to another of our departments.
I never switch off the phone completely, but recharge it once every
second day or even sometimes only every third day.
I simply do not understand those who are unhappy with battery lifetime.
But I do never see any video on it, why would I do that?
Well, this is no doubt the best phone I ever had. I'll buy it again.
Having come from the Dopod U1000 (Athena) to the Cruise is a positive, mainly due to they size. The fact that the Cruise can do everything that the Athena could do is impressive, considering it is less than half the size and weight and is more useful as a primary phone. I still miss the VGA display and often carry the Athena with me on travel to use as an internet tablet and yes, as an A/V player. The 5" VGA is so much easier on my tires eyes and not having to scroll so much on web pages makes it a no brainer. On the other hand, I bought one of the very first U1000's out at double the price of the Cruise. Both have their place but the Cruise gets my daily use. You can see other devices in my Signature line, not including numerous PDA's prior to the Cell phone era.
I used a MIO A201, which doesn't have a phone, radio or WIFI.
I am impressed with the TC (Polaris).
One of the issues I have is the speed of the MicroSD memory card (8GB class 4) which is slower than my SD memory card (2GB 150x) on my MIO A201 which slows down Tomtom, but this is a memory card issue and not a TC issue.
Great device
I switched from regular phones to the Charmer and was already very happy with it, now it was time to improve my "lifestyle" and get a all in one unit. It was hard to decide if I shall get a Kaiser or a Polaris. Finally the small size and less weight made my decision for the Polaris.
After nearly 2 weeks I just can say it is a great unit, it works without problems (beside the usual WM bugs), I can't complain about battery life as at home I have a pretty weak reception (but better than the Charmer) - I live in a "ray safe" appartement..... As I use it really a lot and always have to play around with it (especially in boring meetings), I have to charge it every day or second day during week, at weekend where I use it less I don't have to charge it.
The speech and connection quality of the radio improved, the GPS has a good reception and works fine.
Some complain about the price: it maybe high but try to get a Nokia N95 cheaper without operator contract, it has more or less the same price as the polaris.
So in summary: a high price unit but worth it!
Sure I would
Before :
SPV C500, SPV C600, Wizard, Trinity, TyTN, Artemis, Kaiser, and now Polaris.
I don't regret it. My top 3 is :
1- Polaris/Kaiser (it rocks !)
2- Artemis, it rocked as well.
I would absolutely buy TC again.
Although I understand the complaint that many people have with the video driver issue, for me, it does not distract too much from the device, as I do not use it as a primary video device.
The times that I do watch videos or clips etc.., I find the video good enough for my needs (but not excellent). I think that if one is buying a device ONLY as a phone and multimedia device, it is really quite difficult to presently beat the iPhone.
Over the years I have used PPC/WM devices, I find the TC excellent as a pda ( I cannot say 100% excellent because of the afforementioned video driver issue).
The phone portion is also really good - the best voice clarity and signal that I have had.
Previously:
PDAS: Compaq iPaq 3650
HP iPaq 5450
phones: various samsung and motorolas
PDA/Phones: Samsung SCH-i730 (which was really good in its day for PPC2003SE, but really sucked with WM5)
That's just my 2cents for what its worth.
T
Well, I have had my TC now for about a week and I absolutely love it. It is everything I expected it to be and I think I was needlessly worrying about performance. Of course, the TC will be that much better with the proper graphics drivers, but the way it is now has surpassed my expectations. It is actually the first WM phone in a long time that I think is "fun" to use.
Check out my review here: http://mobilitytoday.com/articles/htc_touchcruise_impressions.html