Ipl - JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 Software Upgrading

Hi, I was testing and mixing some new and old ROM's but now I can not fix the IPL, I mean, I wanto to go back to 2.15.0000 - G3, or 2.15.0001 - G4, at these moment I have the 1.0. Now I'm totally lost, give me a hand to fix these problem who is going to make me crazy.
My device is CID unlock.

Hi, I am just curious, how did you CID unlock your prophet? Mine is a G4 device. I have tried a while, but could not find a solution to downgrade and CID unlock it.
Thanks.

coolfire74 said:
Hi, I am just curious, how did you CID unlock your prophet? Mine is a G4 device. I have tried a while, but could not find a solution to downgrade and CID unlock it.
Thanks.
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If you want to CID unlock your device, you must visit the Wiki, there you will find many tools that allow you to unlock your device. Here can you get more information abaout how, in only 10 steps: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Prophet_Upgrades
In the Wiki place, can you leran more about your device.
I'm looking to reach the G4 chip but I can't. I tryed many, many times, but no way.
Hope that I can solution your curious.
Regards,

cidriver said:
If you want to CID unlock your device, you must visit the Wiki, there you will find many tools that allow you to unlock your device. Here can you get more information abaout how, in only 10 steps: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Prophet_Upgrades
In the Wiki place, can you leran more about your device.
I'm looking to reach the G4 chip but I can't. I tryed many, many times, but no way.
Hope that I can solution your curious.
Regards,
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Thanks for the reply. Yes, I checked the Wiki, but there is no solution for G4.

cidriver said:
Hi, I was testing and mixing some new and old ROM's but now I can not fix the IPL, I mean, I wanto to go back to 2.15.0000 - G3, or 2.15.0001 - G4, at these moment I have the 1.0. Now I'm totally lost, give me a hand to fix these problem who is going to make me crazy.
My device is CID unlock.
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Your device is with the G3 there is no way you can get 2.15.0001 that is for device with G4 chip.
As for the IPL in version 1.0 it is fine, you do not need anything higher than version 1.0 to use any of the rom available for G3 chip. IPL will be upgraded if is available from any official rom. It does not enchance any function you get from using any rom available here.

Thank you very much, I'll try to upgrade to the new AKU3.2 and then let me tell you my impresions.
Once again, thank you!

I have a G4 device with WM6 PDAVIET which is the latest IPL i can get?
thanks!

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cid unlcok for chipset 4?

I need to cid unlock my prophet(s200,jamin)
I tryed with the software in wiki-developers
but it makes problem does anybody help me by cid unlocking for chipshet for 0001
http://blog.neten.de/read.php?66
???????????????????????????????
A little bit difficult for us to understand the link you posted. Is possible to update in english? Thank you in advance!
yes please if this is a way to cid unlock a G4, can someone please translate?
not really a solution
I read the entire post. It is NOT a CID unlock, basically the guy just ran aWizard and ignored the error of CID unlock error. The screen says CID unlock success, but it doesnt really unlock CID. rest explains what roms he used to update his O2 xda. Mostly are in Simplified Chinese ROM. Nothing special or new in that post. Search is still on.
Kensu, thanks for your time!
If you want to install a new ROM then there is no need to unlock CID. This procedure explains a method for updating all components except IPL/SPL on a Wizard. The same procedure and the same tools in the document can be used on a Prophet.
Pay attention to the warnings on the first page though. The procedure is not trivial so make sure you know what you are doing before you actually do it!
abubasim said:
If you want to install a new ROM then there is no need to unlock CID. This procedure explains a method for updating all components except IPL/SPL on a Wizard. The same procedure and the same tools in the document can be used on a Prophet.
Pay attention to the warnings on the first page though. The procedure is not trivial so make sure you know what you are doing before you actually do it!
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Has someone already successfully tried this procedure on a prophet?
inshar said:
Has someone already successfully tried this procedure on a prophet?
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Yep! Works well, as long as you try AKU2.x or better for the OS module. It didn't work with i-mate's old 1.2 ROM for JAMin but that just confirms what the article says. Everything else I've tried so far worked.
abubasim said:
Yep! Works well, as long as you try AKU2.x or better for the OS module. It didn't work with i-mate's old 1.2 ROM for JAMin but that just confirms what the article says. Everything else I've tried so far worked.
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I can confirm!
I have used the procedure tonight and all worked perfectly!
Enough simple and with no unpgrading problems!
Now I have Italian rom on my device!
Thanks for help!
Prophet ( Qtek S200)
Hi inshar.
Have you tried with prophet with JAMin_ITA_2130921_21309111_020720_ship ROM ?
Do the settings remain the same as k-jam (ex. OS start address 80040000, HTC logo ?
Thank you
Merlino
Merlino said:
Hi inshar.
Have you tried with prophet with JAMin_ITA_2130921_21309111_020720_ship ROM ?
Do the settings remain the same as k-jam (ex. OS start address 80040000, HTC logo ?
Thank you
Merlino
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Yes that rom and the configuration is the SAME of K-Jam (i had a 02 Mini S before thiefed :-(( )
Thanks
Great !
It works... Thank you so much
Merlino
Hello all,
i'm new here and i dont understand something :
following this tutorial can i install on my o2 neo an italian 2.13 rom instead of the english 2.15 i am currently using?
in other words can i "down"date my rom from 2.15 to 2.13?
another question: wich is the best italian rom so far?
i've managed to find only a 2.13 around,are there any newest italian rom around?
thanks
Probably I made something wrong, my device is DEAD!!! I have been severals hours to fix it but no way.
Now I can see the device in boot loader mode (3 colors)
IPL 1.00
SPL 2.15.0001
How can I recover the installation?
You have missmatch in IPL and SPL version.
Your IPL is corresponding to DOC G3, but SPL DOC G4.
This should not be the case. What was your original DOC?
Do you have USB connection when in rainbow screen?
rgds,
fdp24
No, I don't have a USB connection. Tonight I was thinking and I going to try to put the ROM stop at bootloader. Let me try it now. As soon as I have some news I'll post it. Thanks!
I just finish to download the Dopod 818 Pro Rom stop at bootloader fix but now the problem is getting biger, I mean, the battery is empty, so I can not charge the device with the USB or AC cable. I have to find a battery to try with this Rom. Or go to the technical support and try to fix it.
The screen is on and of by it self efvery couple minutes (just for a while)
Finally I got a charged battery from my brothyer and I started to download the mentioned rom, but at 80% stop, I get an error message.
ERROR 326 Invalid Command. This NBF file cannot be used for your PDA Phoen. Please check your NBF.
How could I do? Suggestions???
I made a call phone to the service mantenience and I have a date to try to fix it. I'm affraid they are going to tell me something I don't like to heard, but...
Now I'm going to start a new life without my Prophet for a few days, or at least, hope so.

G4 Prophet CID unlock through www.imei-check.co.uk ?

Hi, guys, has anyone tried to do the SIM unlock AND CID unlock with your prophet through http://www.imei-check.co.uk/?
Some guys from wizard forum did unlock from that website. And I just got confirmed by an email from http://www.imei-check.co.uk/, read as following,
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Hello,
our service will remove SIM and CID lock from ANY device with ANY firmware and ANY chipset (G3 and G4). After unlocking you can use ANY SIM card and you can flash ANY compatible HTC standard firmware (2.xxxx in your case).
To unlock XDA Neo just follow the XDA Neo unlock link:
http://www.imei-check.co.uk/m600unlock.php
Regards,
IMEI-CHECK Team
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Since my device is a G4, and it is impossible to unlock it by any other free solutions. So, I am wondering if I should give it a try with this website?
Actually, I have no problem upgrading to other ROM (like the recent QTEK WWE) with no-vendor ID RUU. But every time when I wanted to try a new ROM, I was kind of nervous and was afriad to brick my phone. CID unlock will certainly ease my mind and give me advantages and brave to try more ROMs.
I am sure a free solution for this is on its way and won't take long.
I can use my prophet with different operators. This means that my pda' s sim is unlocked! How can i know that my pda's CID is unlocked?
If you have a G4 (ipl ending with .0001) then it's not unlocked. (sim lock is not cid lock as you probably already figured hehe )
If you have a G3 however it's probably not unlocked too, but you have check the wiki how to unlock it. Maybe there is some infor there too how to check if it's unlocked yes or no? Since I have a G4 I don't know that
Back on topic, I dunno if it's worth the money to CID unlock a phone there. It could be handy if you do a lot of upgrading and want to downgrade or anything.
But as said, people are already busy with a free solution to CID unlock a G4, cause if they can do it we should be able to get around it too
It writes IPL 2.09
SPL 2.09.0000
GSM 02.07.20
OS 2.9.4.30
ıs it G4 or G3?
sonsayko said:
It writes IPL 2.09
SPL 2.09.0000
GSM 02.07.20
OS 2.9.4.30
ıs it G4 or G3?
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G3, I guess. Good luck.
RaptorRVL said:
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Back on topic, I dunno if it's worth the money to CID unlock a phone there. It could be handy if you do a lot of upgrading and want to downgrade or anything.
But as said, people are already busy with a free solution to CID unlock a G4, cause if they can do it we should be able to get around it too
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I guess you are right. But do you know if people are still working on G4 unlocking? It's been a long time. I thought they have given up already.
Well, I have absolutely no idea to be honest But I just assume they do since it's pretty important with all the rom upgrading going around.
It would be perfect if you upgrade with a not so good rom etc and I guess developers of homecooked roms would like it too.
Actually, I have no problem upgrading to other ROM (like the recent QTEK WWE) with no-vendor ID RUU.
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Could you give some more info on how to do that or post a link? I have a G4 Prohphet and couldn't upgrade to QTEK WWE ROM. Thanks!
Alfa145qv said:
Could you give some more info on how to do that or post a link? I have a G4 Prohphet and couldn't upgrade to QTEK WWE ROM. Thanks!
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The protocol was proposed by Looking Glass, so, all the credits should go to him. I modified a little bit based on his procedure as following,
- Decompress and run the exe file (RUU_Prophet_220734_2207114_024721_QTEK_WWE_Ship.exe). Don't close your grey installing window.
- Locate the just created temporary directory, something like:
C:\Documents and settings\username\local settings\temp\rarXX , or pftxx or the like (look by time/date, it's, something created one minute before your current time)
- Copy the full directory and contents to somewhere else in your PC.
- Close the still opened grey window
- get ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe from the forum, and copy to the directory you just moved to your pc (You can get it from the ftp). Copy the ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe to your "new" directory, replace the original ROMUpdateUtility.exe.
- from this "new" directory you copied in your PC, execute ROMUpdateUtility_NoID.exe
That's it. Simple and easy.

Error (302): Update Error when updating to XM6r2

Hi Everyone!
I am trying to install the XM6r2 version of rom provided by mfrazzz in the post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315178
and I am following all the steps as you specified in your first mail, and when I say I am following the steps, I mean, I am doing the base Rom installation from my provider, then Splash screen stuff for G4 users, then Radio rom stuff as you specified in your first post and then I am coming to the step of Installing your XM6r2 rom, but everytime at the end of the installation = after 99%, I am getting the error Error (302): Update Error and then it ask for the recovery.
Can anyone please help me with this problem, I really want to try this rom you provided, also I am quite new to this stuff but since last three days I read some stuff about the roms etc. so I know atleast that my device is XDA mini S is a G4 device because my IPL/SPL is 2.xx.xxx.1.
moreover:some more info about my XDA
ROM Ver: 2.21.4.1 WWE
Radio Ver: 02.07.10
Protocol Version: 413.1.03
ExtROM Version:2.21.4.101
If I am doing something wrong please point me out or help me with this problem.
Many Many thanks in advance, and any help from any user of this group will be highly appreciated.
Thanks!
Are you running the ruu to run the update on your G4? Try Shelltools instead. Sorry, I know very little about G4's so can't help you much more than that, but there are lots of people with G4's running XM6r2.
You may have more luck posting in the G4 Wizard forum if people don't respond to you here (this is really a G4 issue and not a WM6 issue).
thanks man!
I have posted the same thread at G4 forum and got the reply to Install Wizard_Love as a base rom rather than my provider's rom.
Any ways thanks again!
Cheers!
Hi,
yes ur advise worked I just used the shell tool and its working,can i ask u a quick Qs, may be its a known bug, I am unable to access my contacts list? is it a bug in XM6r2 or do you think its a different sort of error??
please advise.
thanks
kbilal said:
Hi,
yes ur advise worked I just used the shell tool and its working,can i ask u a quick Qs, may be its a known bug, I am unable to access my contacts list? is it a bug in XM6r2 or do you think its a different sort of error??
please advise.
thanks
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Were your contacts stored on your SIM card? If not then your contacts went bye-bye when you installed the new rom.
Shane
yes definitely man, they were stored in the Sim thats why I am asking why I can't access them? any ideas?
kbilal said:
yes definitely man, they were stored in the Sim thats why I am asking why I can't access them? any ideas?
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By default the rom hides sim contacts...go into start, programs, and use the sim managerto copy the sim contacts to the phone or do a search for the registry hack which hides sim contacts and disable it.
Hi Everyone!
I am trying to install the XM6r2 version of rom provided by mfrazzz too. but i have a G3 (cingular 8125)
ROM 2.25.11.1.WWE
Radio : 02.25.11
Protocal : 4.1.13.12
i have tried 2 different Rom's from here
1. XDA Mobile 6 r2a
2. Tri-Syn-WM6
in either cases i get the same error 302 and it reaches 99% and gives me the same.... I have an unlocked pone and it is also CID unlocked.
any tips.... or if u can link me to a direct ROM which can help, i'll be highly appreciated.
here i have found 100's of rom's but nothing which actually can update a 8125 cingular to WM6.
i also read a lot abt briking. so im scared to glory before error something or getting myself an expensive paperweight. HELP
archieworld said:
in either cases i get the same error 302 and it reaches 99% and gives me the same.... I have an unlocked pone and it is also CID unlocked.
any tips.... or if u can link me to a direct ROM which can help, i'll be highly appreciated.
here i have found 100's of rom's but nothing which actually can update a 8125 cingular to WM6.
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I have a Cingular 8125 (as well as many others here) and the roms here will all work IF YOU FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS EXACTLY...
Are you sure you are CID Unlocked? This is different than SIM unlocking. I would highly recommend you read the stickied post on how to flash a device and make sure you have done all the steps to CID Unlock your phone and that you didn't skip anything. If you haven't gotten both of your IPL and SPL down to 1.xx then you have NOT CID Unlocked (if you have a G3).
Good luck, but if you follow all of the directions provided to you, this stuff will work.

Higher IPL/SPL. Does it matter?

im just curious as to what the main difference is in having an IPL/SPl of, say, 2.25 vs 3.08 or something else. if anyone could help that would be great
higher IPL/SPL is supposed to give faster boot times
If you do some searching, you'll discover that IPLs/SPLs higher than 2.26 tend to cause problems with custom WM6 ROMs. There's no reason to go any higher than 2.26.
kegobeer said:
higher than 2.26 tend to cause problems with custom WM6 ROMs
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could you explain that? never read that before since i'm here.
backslash2k said:
could you explain that? never read that before since i'm here.
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I believe his key words were "If you do some searching....."
No. I do have no problem so far. My IPL and SPL are both 3.08 and using NBD. Very stable and very fast after changing pagepool to 12MB.
IPL/SPL not the same
Hi,
I upgraded my os to WM6 and followed the thread in this forum. Then my IPL/SPL is 2.16. Now they are different , my IPL is 1.01 and my SPL is 2.16, does this matter? Did I missed some procedure? Is there a procedure that can make the IPL/SPL with the same number?
Ephraim.
ephraimdy said:
Hi,
I upgraded my os to WM6 and followed the thread in this forum. Then my IPL/SPL is 2.16. Now they are different , my IPL is 1.01 and my SPL is 2.16, does this matter? Did I missed some procedure? Is there a procedure that can make the IPL/SPL with the same number?
Ephraim.
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try to run the Button_rom again...
ephraimdy said:
Hi,
I upgraded my os to WM6 and followed the thread in this forum. Then my IPL/SPL is 2.16. Now they are different , my IPL is 1.01 and my SPL is 2.16, does this matter? Did I missed some procedure? Is there a procedure that can make the IPL/SPL with the same number?
Ephraim.
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You didn't follow the flashing guide. This time, read the entire guide and all of the stickies before you attempt to unlock your phone.
I don't have any problems with IPL/SPL 3.08, its working great with WM6 and it has bit fast booting time, and i believe this is solid as T-Mob's 2.26. Newer Bootloader doesn't have any issue, beside i dont have any lockups after 3.08. Anyways its your own pref. so i prefer 3.08 and radio 2.69.11 for T-Mob users.
ephraimdy said:
Hi,
I upgraded my os to WM6 and followed the thread in this forum. Then my IPL/SPL is 2.16. Now they are different , my IPL is 1.01 and my SPL is 2.16, does this matter? Did I missed some procedure? Is there a procedure that can make the IPL/SPL with the same number?
Ephraim.
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you may have missed a step about having to reflash buttons/love rom a few times until both ipl/spl are in the 1.xx. afterwards flash up to a 2.xx rom (recommended t-mobile usa 2.26), then flash to a 3.xx if you want to (floating around, but there is an official t-mobile ver in germany).
i went to upgrade my ipl/spl and i ran into a problem. the ruu tool reset my phone as usual to restart in bootloader but it never came back on. it cut off and now it wont turn on. can someone help? is my phone bricked?
try booting manually into bootloader if that works, restore using the Official ROM that comes from Carrier.
edit: wait are you telling me that you upgraded your IPL/SPL on G4???? with G3.... Dude thats bad sign
nycelitemaster said:
try booting manually into bootloader if that works, restore using the Official ROM that comes from Carrier.
edit: wait are you telling me that you upgraded your IPL/SPL on G4???? with G3.... Dude thats bad sign
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::gulp:: how bad exactly?
SUPER-BAD
G4 + IPL of G3 is BAD!
Not to be insulting at all, but didn't you read those numerous warnings about NOT Flashing G3 with G4, and vice-versa?
Merlin_reloaded said:
SUPER-BAD
G4 + IPL of G3 is BAD!
Not to be insulting at all, but didn't you read those numerous warnings about NOT Flashing G3 with G4, and vice-versa?
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i f**ked up... maybe i can pull a new one from att
There are possibilities for reviving a bricked G4, you might want to check this
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
thanks man ill check it out. wish me luck...
thunda_chunky said:
thanks man ill check it out. wish me luck...
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Try Googling as well, you might get some ideas and yea good luck bro. I've got a friend who bricked his G4 and revived with those ideas. If you phone is under warranty you can call ATT with last resort and say something happened to your phone when you restarted, never tell them you upgraded the bootloader that is how you messed up.
1 question when your buddys g4 was bricked what was its condition?

T-mobile MDA downgrade Ipl/Spl & WM6 Upgrade Issue

I followed Dr. Puttingham's thread and Yippie's thread to a tee in addition to reading threads in this forum for a good number of hours each day for two weeks. Yesterday, I became brave enough to downgrade my 2.26 Ipl / 2.26 spl; GSM 2.25.11; OS 2.26.10.2 MDA with a goal to upgrade to a custom WM6 rom with touchflo.
* Started with flashing the button rom then cid unlock with lockwiz2b which looked successful no errors but got a 1.xx IPL / 2.26 SPL since I got a 2.26 SPL then
* flashed the wizard love rom then then cid unlock with lockwiz2b which looked successful also but got the same results - a1.xx IPL / 2.26 SPL again then
* flashed the 2.26 T-mobile rom from the Tmobile website then
* flashed NBD 8.3 only to go back to Tmobile's 2.26 rom - DISAPPOINTED after two hours...............
Any assistance would be appreciated without bricking my MDA. Also, I read the thread on how to install a 2.x rom in a cid locked G3, this method appears a little bid complicated and if I need to move forward with this method, would this method work for any WM6 rom with touchflo and if somebody could simplify the method in layman's terms for newbie's like me could understand, please advice.
Let me know if I missed anything in the process.
Thanks, Technobuff
After u do cid unluck and sim unluck and its reboots do a downgrade again to the button rom and ur ipl and spl will change.(u do not have to re-due the onlucking procedure again)
I tried again performing Dr. Puttingham's CID unlocking process in terms of flashing the button rom then the CID unlock process using Lokowiz2b but while I am at the DOS screen trying to CID unlock my MDA it the DOS screen showed unlocking phone........DO NOT DISCONNECT UNTIL THE PHONE REBBOTS.
This process went on for 5 then 10 then past 30 minutes until I gave up. To be on the safe side I turned off the LAPTOP by taking the battery then pulled the USB cable from the PC to the MDA.
What is the typical timeframe for the unit to CID unlock? Why is is it hanging? Am I missing or skipping the process? How can I complete the process?
Any help would ber greatly appreciated by newbies who read threads.
Technobuff
The problem is that you need to have an IPL/SPL of 1.xx before you try to unlock your phone. CID unlocking will not change your SPL which means that you had an IPL of 1.xx and an SPL of 2.26 before you even tried to unlock. You need to reflash the button ROM over and over until your IPL and SPL both show 1.xx and then run lokiwiz.
dont get your point, i have been using shelltool for ages without any problems and quite a lot custom roms. my SLP/IPL is 3.08.
regards
irm
unlock problem
if your device doesn't reboot almost at once after the unlock, it probably didn't work. That is what happened to me. Did you get four lines of File cannot be opened or a similar message? I got that from following the 17 steps carefully. What was wrong for me was unzipping to the root directory of C:/. When I redid it to the desktop and executed from there, no problemo.
Your symptoms sound exactly like mine. I posted a longer thread, somewhere....
LH
Ok i did a little booboo and yesterday was using equinoxe's softspl tool by mistake (didn't notice i had a g3), this causes you to actually end up with the exact same os you had before you flashed.
The best advice I can give: Open the Dr's guide and follow every step closely. (also just found this guide. Its a bit simpler http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305225)
Once you CID unlock you should be able to use the RUUs to flash.
Make sure everytime you do any of the steps that dr. putt gives to be comepletely synced to activesync.
Also dont forget to load enablerapi.cab on your wizard.
Also you must use the unlock function before the cid unlock function in lokiwiz.
OH also the unlock will work after your ipl drops to 1.xx After you do the unlocks reflash button to drop the spl to 1.xx Then just flash up to a higher IPL/SPL as the Dr states.
If it seems unorganized im sorry =P
4irm said:
dont get your point, i have been using shelltool for ages without any problems and quite a lot custom roms. my SLP/IPL is 3.08.
regards
irm
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Umm I believe the IPL/SPL of 3.08 means your phone is unlocked... so you really shouldnt need to use shell tool. Some correct me if I'm wrong
slod said:
Umm I believe the IPL/SPL of 3.08 means your phone is unlocked... so you really shouldnt need to use shell tool. Some correct me if I'm wrong
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Just cause you have 3.08 does not mean you are unlocked..you could have upgraded a 2.xx ipl/spl without having downgraded and unlocked first.
thanks. helps me to learn stuff.
CID???
how wil i know if my fone mda vario is CID unlocked?
it is now installed with t-mobile 2.26 ROM
thanks.
rizortiz
famewolf said:
Just cause you have 3.08 does not mean you are unlocked..you could have upgraded a 2.xx ipl/spl without having downgraded and unlocked first.
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right, i installed the latest german t-mobile rom and my device is still locked. the point i made is why the hell does somebody want to downgrade? It doesnt matter if u use the shelltool.
regards
irm
4irm said:
right, i installed the latest german t-mobile rom and my device is still locked. the point i made is why the hell does somebody want to downgrade? It doesnt matter if u use the shelltool.
regards
irm
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Perhaps they want it actually cid unlocked for resale value...or perhaps they prefer the RUU method of installs vs having to use shelltool.

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