BB Connect for WM5 Smartphone - Non-Touchscreen Windows Mobile Other

Anyone find this application yet?
It does exist
http://www.blackberry.com/uk/produc...owsmobile.shtml

Link isn't valid anymore. However I know the Blackberry website has shown connect software for quite some time. I have yet to see it for a Smartphone however I know some people got it up and running on thier Wizards.

I am hoping someone find the bb connect for this device, especially since HTC has a track record for releasing a client for their devices. I have not seen BB connect for any wm5 smartphone device yet. I don't think it exists.

I saw a screen shot on the RIM site...but cannot find the app for WM5 smartphone...have found it for WM5 pocket pc...but that will not install on smartphone.

Here is the original BB Connect cab file for WM 2003 on S. Africa provider, Vodacomm
It would only install on a Moto MPx220 device running WM 2003 and gave a uncertified device error when I tried it on any other device. Any programmers out there want to give it a shot and change the cab file so it does not require a particular device to install on? I never did get it to work on my Cingular provided MPx220, but perhaps there was an app lock issue I wasn't aware of. I've learned a lot in the last few years about WM issues. If anyone would like to take this Cab apart with an app like CabWiz and rebuild it, we could all try this out on a WM 5.0 device, and see if we could get it to work.

OK, I've put in a request to RIM
Let's see what I hear back on this. Anyone else have any update, please post here, or at least link to another forum if there is a client discovered, etc.

pdazealot said:
Let's see what I hear back on this. Anyone else have any update, please post here, or at least link to another forum if there is a client discovered, etc.
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Any updates on this? Would love to see this device with blackberry connect...

I was told by RIM that it was coming out this month for the Excaliber
Well, I was holding my breath, but I heard it is now released on the Dopod version, the C720, in Asia. This is huge. It shouldn't be long before we can pull that app off the Dopod ROM and use on any Dash, S620, or other HTC Excaliber model! If anyone has any updates, or gets their hands on this Dopod ROM, please post it here.

pdazealot said:
Well, I was holding my breath, but I heard it is now released on the Dopod version, the C720, in Asia. This is huge. It shouldn't be long before we can pull that app off the Dopod ROM and use on any Dash, S620, or other HTC Excaliber model! If anyone has any updates, or gets their hands on this Dopod ROM, please post it here.
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I was able to find this link:
http://www.dopodasia.com/resource/sea/bbc_web/index.html
Anyone have a Dopod Account? Click on Download now, I am trying to sign up now.

Damm it, I need a serial number any Dopod. Anyone have one?

Super excited now
I recently got a TMobile DASH and waiting for simunlock code from the carrier. I can unlock it now and put BBConnect and use it with Cingular....Super!!
Can't wait, please someone upload it....

Alright everyone, I finally got it. Enjoy!!! Please try and let me know if it works, I hope we don't need a special rom. If this works, I am running out and getting a dash

It works on stock T-Mobile DASH ROM....I didn't even do app unlock...All I did was Sim unlock for Cingular service.

pvenkat said:
It works on stock T-Mobile DASH ROM....I didn't even do app unlock...All I did was Sim unlock for Cingular service.
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No luck on a Cinglar BlackJack. Once application unlocked it will not connect.
http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=8371688&postcount=22

alenzini said:
No luck on a Cinglar BlackJack. Once application unlocked it will not connect.
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Got BBConnect installed on my imate smartflip successfully, but PIN is stuck at "Pending". Does anyone have any idea what I have to do now?
Please help!!!

Got it installed on my Blackjack with no problems but alas, I have the Pending pin. There is a BB Connect dekstop software out there that will generate a pin for a bis account but I cant seem to find it. I even tried my Treo 750 desktop dsoftware but it wont work. We need a dekstop Software to generate the pin.

The desktop software doesn't generate PIN. It isn't even connecting with my phone....so mad....
I got it working on my palm 750v without the desktop software btw....not sure what I did and loved it.

Uh, Senna 174, I saw you in the Blackberryforums as a new member asking for this Activesync Blackberry configuration tool. So yes it does generate it. Research your infor before posting information grasshoppa.

SP,
Perhaps you can show me how to get it done then.
I installed the software and connect the phone, then I got an unsuccessful connection error. I think the software is running (How do I verify it?) and it is connected to the desktop.
I wouldn't be asking questions if I had all the answers.

Works with Croatian BIS and BES services by both operators!!!
PIN generated, it's enough..

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Windows live expired for WM6

I have owell version of WM6, windows live no longer works. I think it expired. I tried to install the windows live for wm5, but it failed to install. I missed the puch email, please shine some light on me.
me too
Yeah, mine stoppped working Saturday night.
Same here. Cannot reinstal it. Any idea?
I think this may somehow be connected with instalation of MS Deepfish browser..but it's only a guess..
Same here. Cannot reinstal it. Any idea?
I think this may somehow be connected with instalation of MS Deepfish browser..but it's only a guess..
WM5 Mr.Clean
helowsa said:
Same here. Cannot reinstal it. Any idea?
I think this may somehow be connected with instalation of MS Deepfish browser..but it's only a guess..
WM5 Mr.Clean
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I just uninstalled Deepfish, but it still doesn't work.
It still works for me. I have a friend with a Palm 700wx and his stoped working. he reflashed his rom. Still no good. He gets an error window with an X on it. I back-dated his clock to last month and it installs and runs but wont login because of incorrect clock. After correcting the date he gets the X. So I believe this beta was set to expire in april. Maby a new beta is available. Anyone know?
Guys, WM6 built in works just fine. So if you arent using WM6 then maybe you should be posting this in the WM5 section of the forum. Im on My Vanilla at the moment to test this out. Seems my boss has found the forum and likes emailing me links to stuff like this hoping that this will not effect my rom that is in the works for corp. Please make sure your posting in the right section. Causing me more work and emails to answer LOL. Help a brother out...
Call me retarted. I didnt see the line. LOL. Damn boss got me all frustrated. They want this and they want that. Argh. As for me, My live works just fine. but I know M$ released the actual deal so i think the beta is expired. Go get the real deal.
Solution
Hi, I had this problem too. The solution was:
1- Change the time of my ppc to any date of 2006.
2- Uninstall Windows Live.
3- Change the time to actual date.
4- Install WindowsLive.PPC_ARM_NonBETA_NoDate.CAB.
This version don´t expire. Was estracted from a Wm6 Rom and works on WM5 and WM6.
Now, I´m using Xplore 1.1 Wm6 Rom and dont have this problem.
Bye.
nottoosmart said:
Guys, WM6 built in works just fine. So if you arent using WM6 then maybe you should be posting this in the WM5 section of the forum.
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I actually have owell version of WM6.
juankinder said:
Hi, I had this problem too. The solution was:
1- Change the time of my ppc to any date of 2006.
2- Uninstall Windows Live.
3- Change the time to actual date.
4- Install WindowsLive.PPC_ARM_NonBETA_NoDate.CAB.
This version don´t expire. Was estracted from a Wm6 Rom and works on WM5 and WM6.
Now, I´m using Xplore 1.1 Wm6 Rom and dont have this problem.
Bye.
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I can't uninstall the Windows Live.
mine expired too. i tried reinstalling but did not work. i operate on farias v2. it happened as soon as i downloaded deep fish, so i downloaded a different rom and now it works
dortyboy said:
mine expired too. i tried reinstalling but did not work. i operate on farias v2. it happened as soon as i downloaded deep fish, so i downloaded a different rom and now it works
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what rom did u downloaded?
Sp Timesync
I use SP Timesync to keep up my time,, this could work for MSN 2..
i got windows live working again after install a new rom!
thank you for everyone who helped!
it works!! worth the bump!

Upgrade to WM6.1

I dont know how to tell what version I am running but I know its something in the windows mobile 6 area. How can I check then upgrade if needed my windows mobile version number?
I want to use Dutty's new ROM but I believe that I dont have the right windows mobile right now but I am not sure. I just got this phone a few days ago, so stock everything.
One last quick question will I have to update my radio, and would that effect how my wireless company treats me (Att is evil)
sielk said:
I dont know how to tell what version I am running but I know its something in the windows mobile 6 area. How can I check then upgrade if needed my windows mobile version number?
I want to use Dutty's new ROM but I believe that I dont have the right windows mobile right now but I am not sure. I just got this phone a few days ago, so stock everything.
One last quick question will I have to update my radio, and would that effect how my wireless company treats me (Att is evil)
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You don't have Windows Mobile 6.1 on your Tilt. The tilt comes stock with Windows Mobile 6.
First I would advise you before anything to read the first thread, specifically the one dealing with HardSPL. Before you flash to Dutty's ROM make sure that you have HardSPL flashed. After that you can flash to whatever ROM you want.
If you do decide to upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.1 you will need to flash to a new radio. There is also a sticky for this with download links and location. Your best friend at this time would be the Kaiser Wiki, which is also located in the first thread. I would highly advise that you take an hour and read up on how to do everything that your asking and familiarize yourself with the techniques of flashing / upgrading.
...and to answer your last question, no updating your radio would not effect your service with AT&T the evil empire
How would I upgrade to WM 6.1
Also I just finished with flashing HardSPL
sielk said:
How would I upgrade to WM 6.1
Also I just finished with flashing HardSPL
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if you indeed have hardspl now, then pick a 6.1 rom and 6.1 radio and have fun configuring.
sielk said:
How would I upgrade to WM 6.1
Also I just finished with flashing HardSPL
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If you would like to try dutty's just download the ROM from the listed locations in the 1st thread. There are a couple to choose from. I would also highly advise you to read through the second post. This gives you a lot of information about configuration, best results, before and after flashing. Also gives you some detail on how to configure your device. Let me know if you have any more questions.
Here is a link for Dutty's WM6.1 official ROM. http://www.4shared.com/file/3801940...ial_WM611_Release.html?dirPwdVerified=1f45688
Hard SPL Issues
I've been reading all of these threads for the past month(over 30 hours). I downloaded the HTC Kaiser, and the HTC home plug in, but after downloading the new 6.1 I can no longer get access to the internet which is imperative. I've downloaded the HardSPL and I deleted everything else, and once again I can't get to the internet. What am I doing wrong? Please help, I'm about to go on travel and I really need the internet. If I will be forced to use this basic brick without all the luxuries, I guess I will have to, but I don't want to.
MsAzzy said:
I've been reading all of these threads for the past month(over 30 hours). I downloaded the HTC Kaiser, and the HTC home plug in, but after downloading the new 6.1 I can no longer get access to the internet which is imperative. I've downloaded the HardSPL and I deleted everything else, and once again I can't get to the internet. What am I doing wrong? Please help, I'm about to go on travel and I really need the internet. If I will be forced to use this basic brick without all the luxuries, I guess I will have to, but I don't want to.
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Which ROM do you currently have installed? Have you tried any of the configuration cabs. Which mobile service provider do you have?
I have the new 6.1 rom, I downloaded duttys new 6.1 release and it still did not work. I've had tons of cabs, Schen, schaps, etc... & I have at&t
After the new 6.1 nothing will work anymore, I can't even get WiFi, I even went to the extreme of returning the phone to AT&T today because I swur it was the device and not the software
I think I'm about to go nuts, I've read the ALL Wiki, I've read Modaco, I've read the 1st sticky post, I've read the HTC support forums, but I can't get this thing to work properly.
bump, sorry but I need the internet, and it's urgent! Someone please help
MsAzzy said:
bump, sorry but I need the internet, and it's urgent! Someone please help
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Does any of your sound work? Does your camera work. The only reason I ask this is that you might have a radio problem.
If you do have sound...then try to install this cab.
http://shogunmark.com/Documents/shogun_cing.cab
yes the sound works, I just can't connect to the internet. I was able to listen to my music with and without the headphones today. Please help with the internet issue, that's all I need right now, I can worry about the sound later...
Go to start ->settings->connections->advanced->select networks
Make sure the programs are supposed to connect through media net. Once you've selected media net, hit edit, then click the proxy settings tab. Uncheck uses proxy server.
That should fix it, if there isn't even a media net option, you need a cab to fix it.
I've done all this, I've actually sat on the phone with tech support for 2 hours today resetting the internet connections, and it still did not work, hence me returning the phone for a replacement today.
Trust me you guys, I've done all the basic fixes...
What version of radio do you have? There might be a better way to check it, but the easy way is to reboot the phone, it's the number next to the R
I've done a SR and a HR. The HR is the only thing that brings me back to getting access to the internet, which is the only thing that works, however it removed all of my add-ons
agreenagent said:
What version of radio do you have? There might be a better way to check it, but the easy way is to reboot the phone, it's the number next to the R
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the radio version I have is 1.27.14.09
A hard reset lets you access the internet?
(Also, settings->device information give you the rom info, too)
MsAzzy said:
I've done a SR and a HR. The HR is the only thing that brings me back to getting access to the internet, which is the only thing that works, however it removed all of my add-ons
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that tells me that one of the cabs you installed had some ill effect on your settings. try the internet after each cab you install and that way you can find the culprit causing you problems.
Ohh, go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349375
Get radio rom 1.64.06.04 and install that

Voip on Advantage x7510

Hey guys just got a x7510 from UK (live in Aus) and i haven't changed the rom (its still stock, that's because i can't find any roms for the x7510 most what ive looked at are for the previous models).
Ive tried all kinds of threads and methods and i still can't get voip working Have any of you guys made it work?...and so could you please help me? Ive installed the voipwm6.cab (so i could have internet calling) and then did this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 . Ive also tried using the sip tool, it still won't work over wifi. Ive also searched Google and this forum and can't find a solution.
Each time i dial ill start dialing than hang up in like 1 second (and the phone doesn't even ring (was trying my house one).
Any help would be greatly appreciated
P.s (my first HTC device )
Vico100 said:
Hey guys just got a x7510 from UK (live in Aus) and i haven't changed the rom (its still stock, that's because i can't find any roms for the x7510 most what ive looked at are for the previous models).
Ive tried all kinds of threads and methods and i still can't get voip working Have any of you guys made it work?...and so could you please help me? Ive installed the voipwm6.cab (so i could have internet calling) and then did this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 . Ive also tried using the sip tool, it still won't work over wifi. Ive also searched Google and this forum and can't find a solution.
Each time i dial ill start dialing than hang up in like 1 second (and the phone doesn't even ring (was trying my house one).
Any help would be greatly appreciated
P.s (my first HTC device )
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I could'nt get that working either.
The easiest way is to use SjPhone client. The interface is a bit dated but it works. Another option is Sling, but its sound quality is atrocious, although the interface is better.
Not familiar with "sling" could you plz pass me a link? thnxs
(hey a fellow Aussie with a x7510, that's rare )
Vico100 said:
Not familiar with "sling" could you plz pass me a link? thnxs
(hey a fellow Aussie with a x7510, that's rare )
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No, mine is a Dopod U1000. Voip should be the same on all WM6 devices.
Sorry , it is Fring, not Sling. lol, what was I thinking?
http://www.fring.com/download/
to Vico100
I have also got a Ameo 16G from T-Mobile Germany. You dont want to install an extra program, because WM6 support VOIP according to Microsoft. If you cannot find the function, just because the device producer has bloced it. I have installed a plugin for SIP setting, it was called destr0_VOIP_WM61___SIP_Config.cab, if you cannot find it, pm me your email address, I can send it to you.
jason_shg said:
I have also got a Ameo 16G from T-Mobile Germany.
. I have installed a plugin for SIP setting, it was called destr0_VOIP_WM61___SIP_Config.cab
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Hi jason_shg
Is this .cab working for "WIFI" too, or just over GSM?
Tschii
jason_shg said:
I have also got a Ameo 16G from T-Mobile Germany. You dont want to install an extra program, because WM6 support VOIP according to Microsoft. If you cannot find the function, just because the device producer has bloced it. I have installed a plugin for SIP setting, it was called destr0_VOIP_WM61___SIP_Config.cab, if you cannot find it, pm me your email address, I can send it to you.
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I had tried this before but it never worked for me. I think it may work for extremely limited ISP.
Are you able to make call with it and have good voice quality at both ends?
I have tested it on WIFI, it can work on my x7510. Afer installation, there is a new program named sip config tool in your programs, there you should input SIP informations, such as SIP server user name password, next step you can find a new window at the telephone setting named internet, here you can choose when to use VOIP. But I do think, the voice quality of the VOIP can not make me satisfied.
if you install Skype for PPE, it automatically does VOIP, either WiFi or 3G
I now use AGEphone mobile, which has good skin, user interface, and voice quality.
works great
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596682 . d

Bing compatibility

Hi -- I just downloaded the new version of Bing. I'm running it on an HTC Sedna with Windows Mobile 6.1. It _seems_ to work fine on my phone. Fine except for the fact that within a minute or two I get a message which says "Your device has been identified as not supported for this application," after which Bing shuts down. Any ideas on how to get around this? This software is supposed to work with WM 6.1 phones and it seems to do so until Microsoft pulls the plug!
Thanks, Alan
Are you using a cooked ROM?
I suggest you to install it on a emulator and see what happens
Thanks -- no, I'm using the standard HTC ROM. (I don't even think there ARE any cooked ROMS for this phone!)
I've never dealt with an emulator, so I don't immediately know how to do what you're suggesting, nor do I have a sense of how time consuming that would be. But would it be worthwhile to go down that road? If Bing worked on the emulator, how would that help me figure out how to make it work on my phone?
I wonder if there's a way to tell Bing that I've got a different kind of phone. I suspect that would fix this. Does anyone know how to do this?
Thanks!
Alan
Ok, but you can share where you got the installation file(just to do a test here).
Thanks.
Yes -- I got it from here:
http://static.appserver.m.bing.net/binaries/winmo/v1/Bing.CAB
I was running the previous version of Bing, and the program sent me to this link to get the updated version (which then gives me errors about my phone not being supported).
Thanks, Alan
Thanks very much, I'm going to test it.
Wait some time...
That's terrific! Thanks so much!
--Alan
Bing...
Works OK on Diamond 1 with stock 6.1 ROM. Not sure if I like it or not..
Right -- I know it works on other WM 6.1 phones. I'm wondering how to run it on mine. I suspect the solution is to make Bing think I'm using a Diamond or some other phone it knows it's compatible with. Anyone know how to do this? What does it use to figure out what sort of phone I have?
Thanks, Alan
It's working on my emulator.
Have you already tried another version?
I don't really understand what you're asking ... I've run this program on two different (stock WM 6.1) HTC P6500s with the same result: it works fine a little while, then I get a message that I'm not using a supported device and the software shuts down. I don't know how running this on an emulator would help me fix the problem. I know that the software works fine on Diamonds, Touch Pro2, Diamond 2, and other officially-supported WM 6.1 phones. And I know that the software detects my P6500 as not supported and therefore will stop working after a while.
SO: the question is how to get Bing to believe I'm using a phone that it considers supported? I've tried replacing P6500 with T5353 (Touch Diamond 2) in a couple of places in the registry:
\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\ActiveSync\DeviceModel
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\User Agent\Post Platform
But it doesn't seem to make a difference ....
Does anyone have any other ideas about how I might fix this?
Thanks,
Alan
I think that change these registrys:
Code:
\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\ActiveSync\ DeviceModel
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings\User Agent\Post Platform
Isn't a very good thing, because this can turn your device unstable.
PS: I'm going to Google for some solution.
I need one thing to solve your problem as fast as I can. It's the error code.
Thanks.
Thanks so much ... Yeah, I didn't leave those registry changes on long: just a quick experiment.
OK, forgive my ignorance, but how can I find out the error code to tell you?
Thank you!
Alan
Error in images, this is after being cooked in, works for a few min but than get a compatibility error and shuts down
Interesting -- that's a different error than the one I get, though mine generally comes up around the same time. Mine says "Your device has been identified as not supported for this application."
How do we find error codes for these?
Alan
It seems they have the same root, this has been cooked in I was hoping to go "around" the not supportive error that you get with the cab file.
Since I took it out of my build I think the best way will be to run it cooked in an emulator to get it.
Huh, interesting...
I'm going to take a better look on this.
nathanpc said:
Huh, interesting...
I'm going to take a better look on this.
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Thanks,
Att. is the OEM package
You're welcome!
I'm going to take a look when I get in my home, now I'm on a café

WM6.5 and Avaya as dialler

Hi,
I am new on this portal but I read a lot in the last days and was very surprised of the solutions you find and also the apps you made working. Great
I know its not looking very good to ask as newbie for help but I hope you can help me... I am searching for more than a week for a solution and tried even to edit the registry but unfortunately I am not good enough to find the solution
So what do I want do to?
I have a HD2 (branding free) and I want to install Avaya One-X mobile.
Well the installation was succesfull and I also get it running inside my company and also the private modus. But since I have it installed I hear no ringtone. It always plays an "ding" and thats all.
So right now I always have to keep my eyes on my mobile to see if someone calls me or not.
And the second problem is that I also get no caller picture displayed..
But as soon as I deinstall the one-x everything is working (phone rings and caller picture is displayed)????
So you are my last hope to find a solution. Please can you help me?
If you need any further infos please let me know
Thanks
Frank
oh... the one-x mobile software is free for download on the avaya webiste
I can post you the link later (I am not allowed to post it right now...)
i'm getting mad with it...
Now I am a step further.. I now that the software deactivates the onboard call handler. I think it is only a registry setting to reenable it. after done the caller name+picture should be displayed and even the call-slider should be back.
Does someone have an idea where I can find the entry?
well now I know exactly the differents between the registry with one-x installed vs without. But I have no experiences in reading/interpreting my results.
Is a Dword something which can be used as name? or is it only a value?
Does someone has a guide for beginners please?
Did you contact Avaya support for assistance?
I have recently taken over all our telecoms at the office (avaya system)
Saw your post on One-x and been reading a little on it. Where did you get the install files from and did you get it working in the end?
I have a support contact with a company called central so I can contact them for free advice if needed
is this the version you are using?
http://support.avaya.com/css/appman...loads/P0438/5.2.x/C201012083328498084#summary
I'll take a look at what the installer does as I've not heard of it before but it's not letting me register to download it .
yep that's the software I am trying to download
Could not create an account either
I have emailed my support company and they will be sending the software to me on a disc.
thanks for your responses.
I installed the version for pocketpc WM6 (not the UC version) and yes it is working fine
But:
The problem I have is that since I have it installed it
- my mobile does not play a ringtone any more
- "slide to answer" and "show caller name+picture" is away
When I get the disc tomorrow ill post up the results.
This app will be very helpful if i get it working
As for the no ringtone issue I am not sure.
I would attach it... but i have no permissions...
@ fards: there are two versions. one for "Windows mobile 5"and the other one for "Windows mobile pocket pc" (here you can find it for WM6). the first is a UC versions. For this you need an internet connection and a uc-server running in your company. the other one is for normal mobile use. it calls via the phone connection the server and then your call is managed by the server.
support.avaya.com/css/appmanager/public/support/Downloads/P0483/C20090710162819340875658#files
you can find it here for free and you need no login
I do not see the HD2 listed as compatible device.
Did you get it working or still having problems?
How does the Avaya interface on the mobile phone look like?
Is it replacing the WM dialer completly or only while Avaya software is running in the background?
I have just installed it onto my HD2. The install hung at the end for about 20 mins. Reset device and the software has replaced my dialer. Appears to be working but im reading on how to configure the ini file now.
Tested on personal mode and call connected fine.
it replaces the dialer completly...
for the ini file you need the settings of your ACM. here you have to enter different extensions for each function...
you also has to to enter your mobile number in the ACM. Because your are identified via your number.
But can you test if you get a ringtone for incoming calls? thats my problem. I get no
Just to draw a conclusion to this This topic. This solution does not work correctly on HD2. Unless someone has managed to do this and has not shared?
sry... I was offline for a while... Does somesone find the solution?
No i gave up in the end..... bloody crap

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