Ok, my PDA2K is running WM5.0 but as you all may know it still has flaws and well I have had it for over a year and think it's time to get a new phone, the only problem is that I have no way of seeing or using any of these WM5.0 devices until I buy it. so I wanted to ask all the users of these devices what they suggest.
Your information would be greatly appreciated.
so you're not able to go down to a store and try before you buy??...is that what you mean??
"other device"
I suggest the Advance TC M.A.G.I.C.
http://www.advancetc.com
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so you're not able to go down to a store and try before you buy??...is that what you mean??
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Ya the only phone they have available here is the HTC Wizard branded as the T-Mobile MDA, but even whith that all the T-Mobile stores say they will more than likely not have it in stock
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raymondu999 said:
I suggest the Advance TC M.A.G.I.C.
http://www.advancetc.com
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man that is sweet built in gps too, but I wouldn't be suprised if it turned out to be like the Motorola MPx
Actually, I've been in contact with this company, and they confirm a launch. A more exact date can be pinpointed by mid-April. They already have a sole distributor to handle things as well
well then I am going to look to you to let me know when who and if you can how much
I am sure like all new Windows phones it will hit the market at some outrageous amount right....
Do you have any additional info you could pm me??
Thanks
Check your PM box. I PMed you some details on the device. If you have any further questions, just PM me and I can forward to my contact in Advance TC
I've recently got myself the Mio A701 (used to have a JAM).
A nice PPC. Its got GPS builtin which is very useful and is only marginally larger than the JAM was.
Comes with lots of good extras - car screen mount, car charger etc.
And it's no more expensive than things like the JAMin.
I feel I've made a good buy
One downside is that being very new the Mio support website aint got a lot on it yet. But apparantly they are working on some ROM updates.
See it here.
Related
Hello,
I am new to the site and I have just purchased myself an o2 orbit. I am really happy with it but also very keen to understand how I can enhance its performance or tweak it.
Will their be a section for this phone?
Sorry if I am being impatient but I am raring to go.
Has anyone else got this phone yet? if so what have you done with it? Also where can I buy accessories for it?
I look forward to your responses.
Steve
hi all, this is also my first post and i have also purchased this phone today and what a beauty it is....sorry, hope you dont mind me juping on the thread with you btw.
can anyone tell me what are the best games that i can find for wince at the moment and also a good texas hold 'em game for it as i am not really interested in the preloaded games.
thanks in advance to all who reply
Danny =)
Orbit and TomTom
Hi
i am very new to this thread, so hello and i thank you in advance for any help people are willing to offer.
I am going to be picking my Orbit up tomorrow from my local O2 store. I was wondering if anyone can confirm that TomTom is definately included with the UK models. I have seen on a couple of forums that some people are saying it isn't.
I think your phone is in the Artemis forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=316
Obit
Hi all,
I have never owned an XDA but thought I would put a post about the Orbit that I purchased 2 days ago.
It is an excellent piece of kit .. By default it does not come with TomTom (I was offered CoPilot with a £40 contract but I already had TomTom so I declined. I have put TomTom on the device and it works brilliant .. it seems much more accurate than my palm version (probably more accurate GPS device inside).
I used TomTom for an hour today and my battery went down 2%! Brilliant.
Everything is good about the device .. the only gripe I have is that the microphone socket is mini usb (but I am sure there is a convertor out there for that).
The radio is good too (this also seems to have a minimal drain on the battery).
Firstly hello! This is my first post on here so go easy please
Secondly I need some advice, I am at a stage where i need to replace my current phone and i have been looking at the O2 Orbit2. I don't like to buy without reading a review but they all seem very conflicting. You guy's seem to know what you are talking about so i would welcome your opinions / options.
My current phone is the Nokia E61 but it struggles now so it has to go, I also have to change networks because Vodafone has little or no coverage at my new house.
Thanks in advance!
Nick.
Nick, it might help a little if you state what you expect from the device, I am currently using an Orbit-2 on a T-Mobile contracted sim card, what applicatons/ software or GPS based applications do you want/ need from this device - Mike
Thanks for the reply Mike, sorry for the delay in reply and the sketchy original post. My main uses are web access/email and Excel/powerpoint based programs not sure how it would cope with these. Also any troubles with PC sync as this is something I do regularly and would be a pain if it was unstable!
The reviews I have seen have been very mixed hence i thought I would ask the experts.
Thanks again in advance.
Nick.
Guy's,
I'm sadly informing you that my Uni is dead!
Actually it is not dead; it's switched on but a white screen and I can't see anything on the screen. I seems the display is damaged. I've unmounted the whole unit, did a cleanup and re-assembled but my bad luck ...
There is no spare available in my country (Bangladesh) for Uni so I can't even repair it.
Thanx to MyMobiler, it has given me the access to my device and this thread has been created using the benefit of this nice tool.
I have completed a new build couple of days back. It is a bug-fix build of v8.0 but based on 19960 core. I'll upload it sometime next week (without beta testing).
I suppose it will be the last present from "TOMAL" for our beloved Universal.
All the best.
Thanks for your hard work, for keeping our uni's alive for a long time, I hope you 'll find a solution to fix your device, and give us more great rom's.
"All things shall come to pass"
Thank you very much Tomal, your great work helped many Uni's around the world.
V8 is so stable, i am positive many people will keep on using it for a long time (I included).
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish (and other goods from your kitchen).
Alslamo Alykom My brother Tomal
It is the most bad news today. I think it is not the end of Tomal's era but may be the end of Uni era at all for a lot of us.
I think that we should start to find a way to repair ur device not only thanking u for ur past effort. Why not to donate u to buy another one or any one from europe could send u the accessory part u need.
Anothyer solution that will take longer time is sending ur device with one of ur country citizenzs who travel frequently to Arab nations where there is a lot of workshops that can repair it. May i arrange for something like that, if u interested please PM me.
It is a call for all uni lovers to donate to Tomal to support him to ride over his current problem.
tomal said:
Guy's,
I'm sadly informing you that my Uni is dead!
Actually it is not dead; it's switched on but a white screen and I can't see anything on the screen. I seems the display is damaged. I've unmounted the whole unit, did a cleanup and re-assembled but my bad luck ...
There is no spare available in my country (Bangladesh) for Uni so I can't even repair it.
Thanx to MyMobiler, it has given me the access to my device and this thread has been created using the benefit of this nice tool.
I have completed a new build couple of days back. It is a bug-fix build of v8.0 but based on 19960 core. I'll upload it sometime next week (without beta testing).
I suppose it will be the last present from "TOMAL" for our beloved Universal.
All the best.
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Hi Tomal,
sorry to hear your leaving the forum. However don't give up on you universal just yet. The same thing happened my device just two days ago. After two days working on it I took all of the RF cage lids off and used a spray on Electrolube FLUXCLENE. on everything including internal connectors. (Also used a hot air gun on the internal components. Build my uni back up again and it has been working ever since. Even has better than usual battery life.
Look forward to your last build, my only issue with the last one was that the front facing camera did not work.
- T
Nooooo!
I'm not saying any good byes to the great TOMAL here... after a long long time i got my self satisfied with some ROM. every thing was so at ease. even though the bugs and short comings are there but i must confess the V8 is the best, FAST & STABLE ROM ever.
pls. find a way to fix your UNI. or try some thing from Pakistan. eveything is easily availabe here....
farehmani
I agree to the post written by another member.I believe that his huge efforts making the uni so long lasting deserve a small donation from us all (say 3$) which would help him get a new screen and proceed with his fine work.
I'll now intantly check if i have a sum left to my paypal account to donate him for his work and hope for his return...
V8.0
Hello Tomal ! ! ! ! I am sad to hear that you are having problems with your Universal. I am very impressed now with your v8.0 very fast & stable since you have helped us with information on fixing the current bugs in your v8.0 rom. I must say it is truthfully the best cooked rom I have ever used on my "Qtek 9000". At this time I have everything running perfectly on your v8.0 which I have read through your entire forum for v8.0 and have fixed all the problems that I was encountering in your v8.0. The only thing I ask you to do if you can do this on your next fixed release on v8.0 to have the extended rom (storage) accept software downloads. I use a lot of third party software on my device for my company needs and have put that software on the flash disk. The other software I was forced to put on a storage card which I could not put directly in the extended rom (storage) because if I put additional 3rd party software on my device it would take up to much space. Even though I had my ram upgraded from 64mb to 128mb this year in January of 2008 year by PocketPCTechs out of California which did an excellent job and a reasonable price. Once your v8.0 is released next week I will test this. If I am 100% completely satisfied I will make a large donation directly to "Tomals Paypal" to help you in the repair of your Univerisal or toward a purchase for a used or new Univerisal on ebay. I strictly use my "Qtek 9000" for my companies which your great roms keep my Univerisal running and going. The only other thing I ask of you Tomal that the only thing I could not get to work is the "Network Wizard". I can install the software on the device but when I tap on the icon nothing happens. The only way I can get this to work is go to File Explorer then to go to windows and tap on the "Network Wizard" icon which then works. So at this time I have removed this from my device until it works properly hopefully on your next v8.0 fix. So if everybody else that uses "Tomals Cooked Roms" would make any type of donation where we have enough people contributing then Tomal would have enough donations to purchase a new Universal. That would be greatly appreciated. As you can see Tomal has put many, many hours and hard work & effort to making these cooked super great Roms possible and for the Universal to live on. So we should also help him to make his cooked roms keep going on. So let's make the difference by making a donation today.
A salute to you sir, you enabled me to get vastly more enjoyment out of my very exspensive mobile phone. You are the man!
heh!
I´m sure toghrther we can help you in some way!
Hi Tomal
I ask you to don´t give up on your Uni
We are a lot the people who are using your ROM´s very happy
So I porpose, as someone said it before, that we donate a small amount to help you buy another Uni, the piece you have broken, or any other way you want us to help you.
It´s the minimal effort we can do toghther to support the guy has been supporting and keeping alive our Uni´s around the world.
SO PLEASE ALL!!!
It´s time to really unite and help
Tomal, let us know how much you need to fix your problem, so we can see how much money we have to raise (Ok guys it´s not going to be a high amount)
Waiting your reply and hoping the Tomal´s ROM users can joint to HELP
My best wishes to all
PD: I found this site on the forum with good comments about delivery service, from China to Bangladesh I think it´s not too far?...
http://cnn.cn/shop/dopodo2-d900-universal-platform-c-138_385.html
Hope this helps, not sure if this is the part you need. But in case it is Guys look at the price, how much you think we have to cooperate for each person?3 dollars, 4 dollars!!
Let´s help!, of course if Tomal agrees
Thank you so much
Thank you so much for your feeling. I'm simply impressed!!
I'm actually not sure about which part is damaged whether it's the main board or just the display assembly. Interestingly I can still access my Uni using the MyMobiler.
Just for you guy's information, it's not easy to get any spare over mail/courier due to govt. regulations in my country. Only alternative I can see is to send the device (for repair) to Europe or other places when someone traveling there.
Hi Tomal it seems the cable which transmits signals to display got broken, my offer to you is if you can post your uni to me here in UK then i ll get it fixed for you and will send it back, you have done so much for us now its time for us to do something for you
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Hi Tomal it seems the cable which transmits signals to display got broken, my offer to you is if you can post your uni to me here in UK then i ll get it fixed for you and will send it back, you have done so much for us now its time for us to do something for you
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Good idea olympia786
If Tomal agrees, you can let all us know the expenses and toghether can raise the amount.
Looking forward to help Tomal in any way possible
Cheers
PD: Perhaps this guy can help also: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=405566
he´s so greatfull to this site that maybe he can do something, just an idea..
Tomal: Can you buy a new or second hand Uni in your country from anywhere?
If so, then I suggest we have a collection and send Tomal the money directly so he can buy it himself, this way there is no problem with shipping and the mail
If not, then we could buy a new screen from eBay and try to send it in the mail to him - this would be cheaper but more risky. A small flat screen should fit quite easily into a letter and be very hard to detect, shouldn't it?
I love Tomal's ROM, I was starting to hate my MDA PRO with WM5 but I love it now that his ROM is installed
Uni's are quite cheap nowadays, I just looked on eBay and the average price is between £100 and £150. I am willing to donate a large percentage of the total cost, I think I can afford about £40. Come on guys dig deep, Tomal has done so much for the Uni and there are very few active chefs left!
A moving note from Tomal. Well surely I will wait and try ur final 8. The last is always the most meaningful one!
Best Wishes! Million Thanks to you for the 7.7 as it's the rom I used for quite a few months unable finding a replacement in previous months. Now I use Darkforcesteam's
It's time to try a more powerful PPC, so many for you to choose out there these days!
Saludos
It will be a pleasure for me to help Tomal, pls let me know what will be the way.
Saludos
Qtek 9000 For Sale
Listed in the Univerisal section is a "Qtek 9000" for sale at a cheap price and in good conditon which I have listed below by one of the members and have bookmarked.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419742
Park said:
Listed in the Univerisal section is a "Qtek 9000" for sale at a cheap price and in good conditon which I have listed below by one of the members and have bookmarked.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419742
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It looks good.
tomal said:
It looks good.
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I took the liberty to contact him to know the price including shipping to Bangladesh.
Hope you can confirm us if that Uni is ok for you and if you don´t have any problems to recieve an Uni from other country.
And most important if you are ok with this posibility
Cheers
Count me in to help Tomal. Please let us all know what has been decided and how we proceed.
I am thinking of getting this phone. But before doing so, I would like to know if there are any developers who would be building ROMS for this phone etc. Since the GM750 will be running on WM6.5, I'm sure there would be developers who would be cooking roms for the GM730 also. And is this phone the same as other windows mobile phones? Meaning able to install ROMS and CAB files etc?
The price is very reasonable compare to other WM phones. And that would make it fun to just buy the phone and play around with cooking ROMS into it.
It is upgradeable to 6.5 from company itself. U can upgrade it from Service Centers.
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It is upgradeable to 6.5 from company itself. U can upgrade it from Service Centers.
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Where did you get this info? I saw an upgrade to 6.5 only for Chinese users.
LG GM730f WM 6.5 update ROM from LG?
I got an email from LG Australia that this is ready for download/update - but have not got it working so far
Search google for "Trying to install lgs wm6.5 update to gm730f" for my post
I'm also having trouble.
Just spoke to LG support who are aware of the problem!
They will apparently post me a disc with the ROM, so i'll let you guys know if that happens!
LG GM730f - Factory Default raw files Dumped
Hi All,
Just in case anyone would like a working copy of the default factory RAW files I have managed to successfully download these using the ItsUtilBin tools.
Would I be correct in thinking that I might then be able to use one of the Kitchen utilities to create this in to a ROM update?
Hopefully I'll get time to contact LG tomorrow - I wonder if they will be kind enough to use FTP? ;-)
Cheers,
Dave
HughJarse said:
I'm also having trouble.
Just spoke to LG support who are aware of the problem!
They will apparently post me a disc with the ROM, so i'll let you guys know if that happens!
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Hi HughJarse (nice handle BTW )
Any ideas who you spoke to? LG are now denying this - I could give you an FTP to post to if you do get a copy?
Cheers,
Dave
****RETRACTION****
Apparently someone in LG Aust does know about the 6.5 update and the latest knews is that someone from LG Technical is supposed to be ringing me this afternoon with details?
I didn't catch the name of the person i spoke to, but I'll certainly be happy to help you if I get a copy of the ROM!
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Apparently someone in LG Aust does know about the 6.5 update and the latest knews is that someone from LG Technical is supposed to be ringing me this afternoon with details?[/QUOTE]
Hi Dave
Did LG get back to you yet, because I'm still waiting!?
No joy as of 30th Jan ;-(
Hi Hugh
So although they did know about the 6.5 upgrade it *appears* that it wasn't *approved* by Telstra - or at least that's what I was told.
They also seemed to understand that their upgrade process wasn't all it could be? Head over to the other thread at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5480790 and keep an eye on things?
It's well worth downloading the Service Manual for the GM730f LOL
Dave
Hi Dave
Thanks for the heads up and the link
I'd be quite happy to use a custom ROM because I'm getting increasingly frustrated and P**sed off with LG and telstra!
SPB Software
HughJarse said:
Hi Dave
Thanks for the heads up and the link
I'd be quite happy to use a custom ROM because I'm getting increasingly frustrated and P**sed off with LG and telstra!
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In the meantime I'm trialing some of the SPB Software and it makes it look a whole lot more usable - but I can't wait to get something decent on the phone - OR it's up on ebay and I'll be looking for a Samsung replacement...!!
Stupid question, but what's SPB?!
I spoke to someone from LG yesterday and she was trying to tell me the update comes from microsoft. Sigh.
Theres not much hope when the company that makes the phones has reps answering calls who talk out of their A**e!
I'm beginning to wish i'd done a bit more research before i got this phone
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Stupid question, but what's SPB?!
I spoke to someone from LG yesterday and she was trying to tell me the update comes from microsoft. Sigh.
Theres not much hope when the company that makes the phones has reps answering calls who talk out of their A**e!
I'm beginning to wish i'd done a bit more research before i got this phone
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SPB is the Software Company that makes Traveller, Weather, etc addons
David Caddick said:
SPB is the Software Company that makes Traveller, Weather, etc addons
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thanks, I'll check it out
Just installed SPB (found it at the site of the little green demon)
looks good, but how do you get it to start every time you turn the phone on?!
forget that, just worked it out!
Hi,
This there anyone within the UK that could upgrade my Uni for a price?
From 64 -----> 128mb
Try www.retronix.co.uk.
Give them a call and ask for HTC universal upgrades.
The cost is £80 plus postage, or £50 plus postage if you supply the ram chips.
My venerable old uni is being upgraded by them as we speak. All I had to do was to send the phone to them. They take payment when the job is complete.
I'll post again when the upgraded phone arrives, just to let you know how it went.
Hey Thing, are you still cooking for Uni?
Nice to see that Orb and Jonny are still around.
I was supposed to get back my Uni today from repair, but it's missing
Let's hope next Monday my friend give me good news.
Cheers
Heyy ultravox
yeah, i was saying to a friend. The Uni is a dyeing bread, Soon i recon everyone will move to new device. I said i would move to a new device once Windows & comes out in full.
ultravox said:
Hey Thing, are you still cooking for Uni?
Nice to see that Orb and Jonny are still around.
I was supposed to get back my Uni today from repair, but it's missing
Let's hope next Monday my friend give me good news.
Cheers
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hi ultravox!
Nice to see old time members around!
I´ll be around as long as my Uni still alive!
I have upgraded to Rhodium, but I really miss my Uni, so I have both working and active!
What happened to your Uni?
Hope you receive it soon
Cheers,
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hi ultravox!
Nice to see old time members around!
I´ll be around as long as my Uni still alive!
I have upgraded to Rhodium, but I really miss my Uni, so I have both working and active!
What happened to your Uni?
Hope you receive it soon
Cheers,
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Hey Orb,
I broke the USB port, and asked a friend to solder it. I have to get it back but it wasn't were it was suppose to be, but i'll get more new on Monday.
I also have a HD but I miss the Uni, I find unacceptable that i can play have on it
Cheers
ultravox said:
Hey Orb,
I broke the USB port, and asked a friend to solder it. I have to get it back but it wasn't were it was suppose to be, but i'll get more new on Monday.
I also have a HD but I miss the Uni, I find unacceptable that i can play have on it
Cheers
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Hi ultravox,
Wound'nt it be cheaper to buy a brand new Uni motherboard?
ultravox said:
Hey Orb,
I broke the USB port, and asked a friend to solder it. I have to get it back but it wasn't were it was suppose to be, but i'll get more new on Monday.
I also have a HD but I miss the Uni, I find unacceptable that i can play have on it
Cheers
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Oh I see, Hope you can play with Uni very soon!
And hope Tomal give us a surpise soon!
I think you see him on HD section right?
Have a great weekend
Hi All,
Im still kicking about as well, and still keep the Uni charged. I never did get the memory upgrade, is it worth the money?
Regards
Jay
Hey!
Great to see you around too!
I have not upgraded too as sending and receiving my Uni in México will be almost imposible due to customs
From what I´ve heard from Jonny upgrade it´s worth!
Hey Ultravox, good to see you're still active too.
I've come back to uni because the other devices I've tried (Kaiser and Magic) just can't compete for media playback, UI speed and flexibility.
I'm currently fiddling with a 128mb-specific build of 6.1, tuning the OS to make proper use of the additional RAM. I doubt I'll do a 6.5 ROM though, it just seems too slow and clunky to use on any hardware set.
My 128MB upgraded uni is now back (turned around in about 4 days). Total cost was £114 including VAT and courier to the south of England.
The phone's working fine, no issues with the upgrade so I'd urge anyone to give retronix a try.
They also do PCB repairs, so I bet they'd be able to fix a wonky USB port easily.
orb3000 said:
Oh I see, Hope you can play with Uni very soon!
And hope Tomal give us a surpise soon!
I think you see him on HD section right?
Have a great weekend
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It's really cool to see all this guys around. it reminds me when I had time and patience to cook with THING, Tomal and Leo roms/kitchens.
Maybe I'll try to cook a rom for my HD, who knows.
Tomal as been missing from HD section. I sent him a PM asking for news and how it was but got no answer yet.
Next week I will get my Uni. Most probably I won't do the memory upgrade because of the cost, since it's my second device.
@ Simon, the repair was for free
Cheers
ultravox said:
It's really cool to see all this guys around. it reminds me when I had time and patience to cook with THING, Tomal and Leo roms/kitchens.
Maybe I'll try to cook a rom for my HD, who knows.
Tomal as been missing from HD section. I sent him a PM asking for news and how it was but got no answer yet.
Next week I will get my Uni. Most probably I won't do the memory upgrade because of the cost, since it's my second device.
@ Simon, the repair was for free
Cheers
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Hi ultravox
Whats was the repair for againg, i got get XD
I asked Tomals about his ROM releaseing for uni and the reply i got was:
my Uni atm in broken (cant remember how or wht) so i cant cook untill iu get a new one....
this is very bad news, as i havent seen a new ROM on the uni section sence Tomal's V10 /12/12.1
So am thinking i might try and lern how to cook for uni
Th Kitchen im trying(hopelessly)is: Luca16thebig's Visual Kitchen.
__
But i keep getting a problem when i Cook the ROM,
all the files are create and exported untill i get a error about the RAM sixe being to large....
Anyway ill keep trying =]
ultravox said:
Hey Orb,
I broke the USB port, and asked a friend to solder it. I have to get it back but it wasn't were it was suppose to be, but i'll get more new on Monday.
I also have a HD but I miss the Uni, I find unacceptable that i can play have on it
Cheers
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He he i also got a usb broken uni in my drawer, and second uni and touch HD..., i found that getting a second uni was better option than getting the first one fixed, LOL
help me
My colleagues have a scheme which pins to solder after implantation of chips craftsmen here have no idea of which pins to solder, please help, the phone is a IMATE JASJAR,phone donor Bluangel
enigma79 said:
My colleagues have a scheme which pins to solder after implantation of chips craftsmen here have no idea of which pins to solder, please help, the phone is a IMATE JASJAR,phone donor Bluangel
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Hi
Look HERE it tells you all you need to know
Regards
Jay
responderman said:
Hi
Look HERE it tells you all you need to know
Regards
Jay
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Yeah I saw this picture is, the problem is that watching a video of how it is and there touched elsewhere on the board, except to the chips themselves, but here the picture shown above of chips Pins have to bi conected, here's the video link.
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Ym0seAAZuJc/
you can clearly see him solder the links together near the end of the video, I think the rest of the work is just cleaning the board ready to take the new chips and adding flux.
Thanks
Thanks for the quick response, you will copy the entire page and give it to people who will carry out this operation, the donor and is now waiting to go but all successful, as is understood in advance to install rom to support 128mb
Ok,
Is anyone willing to help me upgrade my Exec to either
256mb
or
128mb
I would be happyer to send off teh whole device in the case.. As i won not wont to damage the working...
Anyone?