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I haven't seen anyone come up with a good description of what emoze does yet, so I thought I'd contribute my own, and compare it to web2mail. emoze is in fact much more than just a pushmail service, it constantly is updating all aspects of Outlook (email, calender, tasks, ect). Changes occur almost instantaneously (<5 seconds via EDGE, i've timed it). Delete an email of your PPC, it deletes off of your computer. Change a meeting time on your computer, it changes instantly on your PPC. Everything remains in perfect sync at all times, as long as you have an internet connection on both ends. To reduce battery drain, you can switch to a periodic sync (every so many minutes), but obviously changes and email won't show up as fast then. Regular pop email pisses me off because there's no good way to reply to email you recieved through activesync. Emoze solves this. The only other way I know of to get this sort of service is to be a large business with a big, expensive MS Exchange server. If you manage your life with Outlook like I do, I highly reccomend this software. It works right out of the box (even though there's no box nowdays), just install the desktop PC software, install the PPC software, and it goes.
mail2web has most of the same features, with a few significant difference. It has better attatchment size (100mb) versus emoze's 1mb limit. However, the kicker for me is that you must use a mail2web email address ([email protected]), along with mail2web's desktop email client, to utilize mail2web. Emoze lets you keep your current email address, and your current desktop email client, giving you nothing to relearn, and better protection if emoze/web2mail were to go bankrupt and disappear overnight. Unfortunately, Emoze doesn't support all email clients, although they're working on it, so mail2web might be the way to go if you're running, say, lotus domino. I haven't actually used mail2web, so if I missed any advantages they might have, feel free to post.
Both services are free, so go ahead and try 'em. I have yet to recieve any spam from emoze. Don't know about mail2web though.
Emoze: http://www.emoze.com/en/HomePage.html
mail2web: http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/
odd first post wonder who he works for :lol:
the main reason I am using Mail2web and not emoze is because mail2web does not require me to have my own PC on 24/7 nor installing any client on my PC. Peace out
Trucido said:
the main reason I am using Mail2web and not emoze is because mail2web does not require me to have my own PC on 24/7 nor installing any client on my PC. Peace out
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Good point. That's a big plus for mail2web. Do you know some way to reply to your mail that makes it seem like you're using your normal email instead of a mail2web email address? I'd definitely switch if I could figure out a good way to do that.
You can do that, but you have to pay for it. That's how they get you to pay them.
does emoze support html mail? free mail2web accounts don't, because they have only exchange server 2003 running.
emoze has a pc client (outlook plugin?) which syncs over internet with the mobile version of emoze on my ppc? this is an advantage and a disadvantage:
the disadvantage has been mentioned - the pc has to run all the time.
but on the other side you are able to sync your mobile and your pc over air.
with free mail2web accounts you can only sync your ppc with the exchange server.
the mail2web email address is not really bad: within the settings of my usual mail account (arcor) i added a filter, which redirects a copy of every incoming mail to my mail2web account. that is not the finest solution, but better than nothing.
emoze battery issues vs mail2web activesync
i had emoze on my hp 6965 and on my htc x7500 and it works very nicely
the only few problems ive had is battery dies within 4-5 hours if the sync is allways on
also if you have pictures associated with your contacts it dosent transfer them back and forth i found, mail2web has no problem doing this
it really was nice to be able to push gmail over the air and have my desktop and ppc synced at the same time but if your pc looses connection ur off the air until you get to it and fix it.
mail2web is great since it keeps your battery life very long (i can have it on all day with about 2 hrs of talktime and about 20-30 emails a day) and still have about 30% left by the time i get home or to my car to charge it again,
but when you reply to messeges it dosent use the gmail address, which sux badly since i want it to use gmail,
the advanteges are you can hard reset your device and not worry about your info being lost or having to get home and save it its just allways on the server, which i like knowing all my data is safe,
ive looked into several other programs like pusheffect and i just couldent get it going so i uninstalled it,
the only other programs i found recently is the seven beta program, i downloaded it to my device and installed it even tho it says wm5 only supported, i had no problems running it on my wm6 unit, it works like a charm
and i get both my gmails, and my work email on it
my current setup is mail2web synced with activesync on my x7500 and seven for my gmails and work email,
also, the seven beta program does not notify you once an email comes in with any audio or the messege icon, it just shows
" [email protected] 1 unread"
so you have to keep looking at your unit from time to time to see if you have email,
push works great, alltho it seems like from time it takes it about 5 min's to get a messege,
I have frequent problems with mail2web
I have all mail forwarded to my gmail, then I have gmail forward everything to mail2web. Gmail frequently reports bounced messages sent to m2w. I'm going to try emoze. I suspect it will be a lot better. Since I have two machines (media server and tor box) on all the time anyway, that's no big deal for me, but there are other advantages to doing so.
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the only other programs i found recently is the seven beta program, i downloaded it to my device and installed it even tho it says wm5 only supported, i had no problems running it on my wm6 unit, it works like a charm
and i get both my gmails, and my work email on it
my current setup is mail2web synced with activesync on my x7500 and seven for my gmails and work email,
also, the seven beta program does not notify you once an email comes in with any audio or the messege icon, it just shows
" [email protected] 1 unread"
so you have to keep looking at your unit from time to time to see if you have email,
push works great, alltho it seems like from time it takes it about 5 min's to get a messege,
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Thanks for the heads up for the Seven Beta, just signed up and have now stopped forwarding my gmail to my mail2web account, they can now function as two separate items with push on both. As for seven not notifying me when new mail arrives, i can live with that.
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Just sent a test email to both accounts, mail2web won by 1 minute and the PPC went beep for each message
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You can do that, but you have to pay for it. That's how they get you to pay them.
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Could you elaborate on this? I don't mind paying, but how would I set it up?
Hey everyone...
Just wondering if anyone had come up with a Gmail Notifier type program (or an acceptable workaround) for the Today page. Specifically, I am looking for the following features:
1. Checks your Gmail account every X minutes and notifies you on the Today page if you have new unread mail.
2. Does NOT download the headers (see #3).
3. If you check/read your email on your home computer, the next time your WM/PPC device checks for new messages, it will clear the 'unread mail' alert as those messages are no longer unread.
4. Uses data connection, not SMS.
Item #3 is the biggie for me. I use multiple PCs/devices (work desktop, work laptop, home desktop, home laptop, 8525/Hermes) and therefore want to manage all my mail via my browser since it will always be consistent no matter which machine I'm using. I do NOT want to have to clear/delete headers off my mobile device after I have already read the mail using one of my PCs.
I just want a flag to show on the Today page if I have currently unread mail sitting in my Gmail box and to go away when I don't... no matter which machine checks/reads the message(s).
Even better would be if it supported multiple Gmail accounts and Gmail for Domains.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
You almost hear the crickets in the silence.
This would be a great thing if it could be accomplished. I can write something like that in Linux using PHP, and then port it to Windows, but there's no way I could get close to doing something like that for the mobile, you're prolly better off using the GMail client from gmail.com/m and just setting it to download headers only, not the body, since it's just a simplified interface to the website for the phone. I used it on my SE w810i for a while because I was out of the house for over 20 hours one day and wanted to check my mail. (GPRS/EDGE data connection for the win.)
Finally, someone has taken this project on! Egil has developed a gmail notifier for Windows Mobile. I've been using it for about a week now. Works well. It is still a work in progress.
Its nice not to have to delete the headers I was downloading via POP3.
http://www.egilh.com/blog/articles/poGmail.aspx
Good news! Gmail is going to support IMAP.
So reading a message on your PocketPC will change the status to read on the server.
It will be interesting to see if using IMAP through Pocket Outlook will work any better/easier.
Just waiting for IMAP to be enabled on my account so I can compare.
IMAP doesn't need to appear on your GMail settings!
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78799
But instead of entering port numbers enter imap.gmail.com:993
cmartino, what device were you able to get poGmail running on?
Did you get a today screen plug-in to appear?
Did you install ".NET Compact Framework 2.0"?
I still like SMS for email notification because it does not drain the battery and is true push. The problem: SMS is usually not free. The solution: peekamo, the only SMS service free on both receiving and sending.
On one of my servers, I run a Perl script to check gmail via atom feeds and then send a SMS to my phone via peekamo. Works like a charm, love it.
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cmartino, what device were you able to get poGmail running on?
Did you get a today screen plug-in to appear?
Did you install ".NET Compact Framework 2.0"?
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Installed on WM 6.1 which includes .net CF 2.0. Today plugin seems to only work when run from \program files\ (tried \extendedrom\program files\ to no avail).
Nice little app - worth a look if you aren't totally enamored with pocket outlook...
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Finally, someone has taken this project on! Egil has developed a gmail notifier for Windows Mobile. I've been using it for about a week now. Works well. It is still a work in progress. Its nice not to have to delete the headers I was downloading via POP3. http://www.egilh.com/blog/articles/poGmail.aspx
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that site no longer exists, any ideas where to find a good gmail notifier?
I downloaded the new WLM beta for my PC, mainly because I liked the sound of the MPOP (multiple points of presence) feature, allowing me to sign into my Windows Mobile device at the same time as my PC (i.e. it doesnt sign out of the PC, and i get the messages on both).
This would mean, I could use WLM on the PC, step away with my phone, answer some IMs, and come back to the PC without signing in and out, and losing track of a conversation, as well as my chat logs being complete.
Or so i thought, as signing into my mobile device still signs me out of WLM 2009 on the pc. Apparently both devices need to support MPOP.
According to WLM 2009 support page "If you sign in to a version of Messenger that doesn't support the multiple sign-in feature, you will automatically be signed out from the other devices."
But it also says "For example, if you're already signed in to Messenger on a computer, you can sign in on a mobile device or on another computer without having to sign out on the first computer"
So why do they say mobile device? Where do I get a version for my mobile device that supports this? Is my WLM mobile out of date?
Thanks
It´s the same for me, I don´t know if there is a version for Mobile devices that support this ultiple places
Hope someone can give us a clue
I hope Messenger for WinMo is updates soon to take advantage of this feature
>>"But it also says "For example, if you're already signed in to Messenger on a computer, you can sign in on a mobile device or on another computer without having to sign out on the first computer""
So, it basically says that you don`t have to sign out from computer (if you`re signed in) when you want to signing in from ppc. It doesn`t say anything about MPOP :/ Just that signing in is possible even if you are signed in on another computer when you sign in with ppc. lul, complicated. I hope wlm on winmo gets updated soon.
Yes, Microsoft will be releasing a new WL Messenger for Mobiles in next year... It will happen, just give it time as they need everything else in place first.
Hopefully the new WLM doesn't get treated like the new Pocket Internet Explorer (new WM6.5 ROMs only).
I sign into WLM on my mobile fine now without it signing out on my computer?
According to Paul Thurrott's site about windows:
The native Windows Live Messenger client on Windows Mobile supports the new Multiple Points of Presence (MPOP) functionality that allows you to be signed in to Messenger from multiple PCs, mobile devices, and Web sites.
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Since i don't remember if it's possible to link other sites, just google the statement to find the full article (part 4).
I'm wondering which version he has of WLM... i'm really thinking of sending him a message to ask clarifications.
I have a version of WLM that is newer than the one posted in the big WLM thread on here. And I get signed out of WLM on the PC. I'd love to know what version he has, or why he said that.
The version of Windows Live messenger I am using is 10.6.0034.0800
On my desktop, I use the Windows Live messenger beta (can't tell you the number as I am not at home).
Signing into one does not sign me out of the other....
Joezhang said:
The version of Windows Live messenger I am using is 10.6.0034.0800
On my desktop, I use the Windows Live messenger beta (can't tell you the number as I am not at home).
Signing into one does not sign me out of the other....
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Wow r u kiddin? trying gettin 34.800 somewhere to check it out.
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Installed 34.800. No way. Signs me out. Using latest RC on pc.
What I'm reading here is that you guys have logged in to Live on your PC with the new 2009 client and you can STILL log in on your mobiles - is that right? All I'm getting after having logged in once to the new client on my PC is the "problem with the server" message on my phone. I change the account back to an old one that has never logged in to the new PC client and I'm OK.
Is there a workaround or particular version that is working now on the phone?
Thanks
The only version of the desktop Windows Live Messenger that supports MPOP is the version that downloads to the Windows 7 beta. Version 16.something IIRC
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The only version of the desktop Windows Live Messenger that supports MPOP is the version that downloads to the Windows 7 beta. Version 16.something IIRC
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Not true.. WL Messenger 2009 (version 14.0.x) does support MPOP.
The problems come with WL for Windows Mobile, which seems not to support MPOP Signing at all. It disconnects from everywhere when sign in on the phone.
EDIT: AFAIK there's no 16.x version specific for windows 7.
I have asked to Paul Thurott about WLM for mobile supporting MPOP and he has told me that new mobile phone will get the WLM with MPOP support.. but there will be nothing for old phones. We should find a cab of a version supporting MPOP.
It's the same about WebMessenger... which does not support MPOP .. but the new Windows Live WebMessenger should comes out soon !
i am sure a CAB version will appear shortly after relase. one good thing with so many carriers using winmo is that one is bound to leak it.
they also need to update Xbox NXE to support MPOP too
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We should find a cab of a version supporting MPOP.
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What about WL for mobile from WM6.5?
playerkiller said:
What about WL for mobile from WM6.5?
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still nothing ... even with 10.7 version of WL ... umbelievable ! I don't know what Microsoft is doing about MPOP support for WLM !
I helped a client set up a new Moto Q 9c last week using OWA synchronization. When she got to her office today and opened Outlook, none of the email came in to her Inbox. Is there a Leave mail on server option in Windows Mobile for mail coming from an Exchange Server, and if so, where would I find it?
Thanks,
Cathy
to my knowledge, it should be kept on the server anyway.. just like regular poutlook
she's getting all mail to her ppc and then it gets deleted from the server?
That's what I assumed would happen. If she leaves her desktop Outlook open, they come in there. Haven't heard back whether they're also coming into the PDA, but assuming so.
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I helped a client set up a new Moto Q 9c last week using OWA synchronization. When she got to her office today and opened Outlook, none of the email came in to her Inbox. Is there a Leave mail on server option in Windows Mobile for mail coming from an Exchange Server, and if so, where would I find it?
Thanks,
Cathy
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Hi Cathy, thats wierd, i use exchange email regularly and never had that problem. Did she accidentally delete the messages on her device and synced(which would explain the empty inbox)?
I use original 6.1 wwe rom and there is no option like that, im not that familiar with the Q9c, is that 6.1 too? WHen she is getting used to it, it might be safer to manually sync on her device instead of when items arrive, that way they are safe on the server, but does kind of defeat the point i guess lol.
I installed ActiveSync on her computer yesterday, synchronized with the Q, and after a couple of hours she said everything appeared to be working properly. Fingers crossed! Thanks for your response.
I'm looking for a free pushmail service for my HD2. Somebody can help me? I have tried some but they can not work correctly with WM 6.5.
Gmail works fine for me. Besides the actual GM account, I also duplicate some other GM accounts to it & it checks / collects mail from still further other non GM accounts.
ive also been looking for one for ages. My symbian friends are quite quick to put down my htc hd 2 because it doesnt have free pushmail service. XDA-developers have solved 99.9% of my probs. I hope it goes up by 0.1%
Thanks in advance. I love this website!
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Gmail works fine for me. Besides the actual GM account, I also duplicate some other GM accounts to it & it checks / collects mail from still further other non GM accounts.
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I see that you are on Tmobile UK. Do you use the standard web'n'walk for this push service?
I've never got proper push from Google to work with Gmail.
I use Gmail to forward to my Hotmail account, which is then picked up on Windows Live.
Works great!
just use google sync to push gmail
Gmail works great on my HD2, you just have to correctly set the account in Active Sync :
Server : m.google.fr
Mail : [email protected]
Pass: Your password (And check the box to store it)
Domain : Left blank
Then you can choose to synchronize Contacts, Calendar and mail but be sure not to check task (Otherwise you will get an error while syncing).
Then in Active Sync you have to set when the phone will check for new items, you have to say "when new items arrive" and check the box to allow while on Edge and 3G.
Normally every thing should work great.
I get mail quite quickly and my calendar and contacts are always up to date on the phone, the computer and the web!
the prob is i dont use gmail. i use hotmail and my work email is being hosted by mail2world.net so i need those to work. Im sure there is a free pushmail server for winmo i just havent found it yet.
Try www.momail.com . It works great for me
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I see that you are on Tmobile UK. Do you use the standard web'n'walk for this push service?
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I am on T-mobile UK, I do have standard WnW.
Push Gmail works fine on my HD2 both T-mobile 1.43 & HTC 1.66 (as it did on my old TytnII).
I simply followed these instructions to access my email
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
Actually my ISP is Sky who email service uses re branded Google mail. I have my own domains for email. Because they insist on tagging my outgoing mail address/domain with their moniker, hardly professional, I use a 3rd party SMTP server (from the Skyusermail forum) for outgoing mail. All set up from within the HD2 messaging utility & transparent in use with no additional input.
I only sync my mail to Google. For privacy, Contacts, Calendar, Favourites & OneNote I sync to my Vista32 computer via USB (upgrading to Bluetooth in a couple of days). I found, when INITIALLY setting up the PHONE syncs, I have to add them ONE TYPE AT A TIME in sequential syncs, or it fails After the initial set up, it behaves correctly syncing all automatically together.
As far as what that Pushed Gmail account reports, I went into its web control panel and got it to collect incoming mail from MANY other accounts. I now have a PUSH one stop shop, when mobile, for about a dozen entirely separate email accounts!
I no longer need an office to run my business affairs. I can run everything from my mobile. Huge overhead saving and much more leisure time. My business now interrupts my leisure pursuits instead of vice versa.... Worthwhile trade off for me.
I also have a few other email accounts being checked every few hours. Also my HD2 is hooked up to Windows live / Hotmail. (Need to reinstall Skype.)
MadBastard said:
Try www.momail.com . It works great for me
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momail doesn't work in my country
Have you ever tried mail2web.com? It works fine and it's quite fast.
try SEVEN it is great....though i notic it has some bug with the cooked ROM but not with the orginal ones