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htc magician wm2005 upgrade For T-mobile Explanation
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No further release expected. This device is unable to be upgraded to Windows Mobile™ 5.0 operating system. The new MDA Compact II device will be a Microsoft Windows Mobile™ 5.0 device expected later this month.
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magician wm2005 coming soon
Hey what so happy about it? I think you misunderstood the statement.
they said, the new MDA Compact II is going to come out. and yes, its already came out, with the model name Charmer or Prophet (i forget )
so, still, no WM2005 for Magician.
Yep:
"This device is UNABLE TO BE UPGRADED to Windows Mobile 5.0".
I still think the producers are being lazy. There's no reason it should not support an Intel PXA272 base, because that's like the most common WM processor around, and its still in use too. Portable RAM, BT and Radio Stack technology hasn't changed a hell lot enough to not even have any driver support.
If this isn't forced obsolescence I don't know what is.
ya lor of course i tink its not because device not supported, but just simply : marketing and commercial issue
maybe they came out with new product and wont allow wm2005 for magician to avoid product cannibalism
I agree with you
it certainly supports wm2005
yes
it is launched with name charmer grey nad pink colour
g3 chipset
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Interesting stuff, what I like the most is that it says "Most likely" WM7 can be used on older devices because all the changes like screen rotation with device will use the cam instead of hardware like accelerometers and stuff... wonder how long till my wizard is sporting WM7...
they gonna turn ppc's into sm/iphone/touch ****?
WM7 can be used on older devices
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...taking 40 of 47 mb mem free.....
does any1 have WM 6.1 WWE yet?
WM7 on an 2-year old wizard?
Realistically, the chances of WM7 running on a standard Wizard are somewhere between slim and none. I can offer two strong reasons: memory and speed. As someone noted earlier there are only 49 MB of program memory. Right now mine has only 19 free. If Microsoft follows its normal OS expansion rate, 49 MB won't be nearly enough.
As for speed - we,, we all know how fast the Wizards's chip is and - even with overclocking - it's slow. And in a year it will seem slower still.
So.. unless someone is going to begin to sell an aftermarket Wizard chipset on a higher capacity and faster piece of silicon - which I find unlikely and uneconomical -WM7 just isn't in the cards for old Wizards.
Having said that, I would love to be wrong.
You never really know though. I think there is a good chance that the wonderful cooks here will work a miracle and get wm7 on our Wizards. Look at the MPx200, for example: It's had every version of windows mobile/smartphone ever since SP2002 when it came out.
Well too bad couldn't have said the same for my MPX300 it was stuck with WM2003se............ but WM6 seem a bit cool tho.............
You have the MPX300?? Interested in selling?
it's not 100% tho ............ water got on the screen so i can't get past the screen alignment when i reset the phone
ND4SPD said:
You never really know though. I think there is a good chance that the wonderful cooks here will work a miracle and get wm7 on our Wizards. Look at the MPx200, for example: It's had every version of windows mobile/smartphone ever since SP2002 when it came out.
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True, pity mine sucks as it has a habit of spontaneously discharging the battery so I can't turn it on, thus I switched to the Wizard and now my iPhone.
EDIT: Looking at that Windows Mobile 7 article, I'm severely tempted back to Windows Mobile if that takes off!
I don't think wizard can handle wm7 (full OS) but i'm sure rom chef's will find tha way to adapt some programs that will be used with it... maybe some hacking will allow software to be run in an acceptable level... not the OS but the feeling of it...
I heard that wm7 will be released on 2009. Is it true? I hope they will release it in this year.
b4 WM7 is out, does any1 have WM 6.1 WWE yet?
now i'm built sucselt wm6.1 wwe! it's changer *.mui RUS lang to WWE!
testing!!!!
up soon
i bet they release this year cause of the iphone even though its overated people are buying it instead of windows mobile phones. Looks like it will be out next september i reckon as from the pictures it looks pretty much finished interface wise. The HTC touch should get an update to WM7 as the touchflo isnt that great tbh.
musungus77 said:
now i'm built sucselt wm6.1 wwe! it's changer *.mui RUS lang to WWE!
testing!!!!
up soon
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watting 4 your upload.
many thanks in advance!
" i reckon as from the pictures it looks pretty much finished interface wise."
sadly at times picturs dont say 1000 words
by that logic the game dukenukeem forever would
had been released 10years agoe
musungus77 said:
now i'm built sucselt wm6.1 wwe! it's changer *.mui RUS lang to WWE!
testing!!!!
up soon
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waiting also
I can't wait ... it will be great... and btw. i think Wizard will be one of the devices on which microsoft will be testing... it's only my opinion, but it is old and it is popular.. same as MPx200 was (i had it before) and guess what? Microsoft tested WM5 on MPx200? Why? Because it was old and popular
But no flame war pleeeeeze
cortez said:
I can't wait ... it will be great... and btw. i think Wizard will be one of the devices on which microsoft will be testing... it's only my opinion, but it is old and it is popular.. same as MPx200 was (i had it before) and guess what? Microsoft tested WM5 on MPx200? Why? Because it was old and popular
But no flame war pleeeeeze
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Me too. when ms had wizard on microsoft surface trailers, they should test wm7 on it
b4 WM7 is out, does any1 have real WM 6.1 WWE yet?
I know Google's Android isn't one of the most popular things around here, but it caught my eye and I'm just wondering about the possibilities (like fixing the driver issue)
As far as i know it will run on all ARM11 PDAs like the Polaris, and I'm hoping that it will be available for the Polaris aswell.
I'd like to read your oppinions on this, and ofcourse the possibility on an XDA-DEV version...
I dont think it will run on older devices like Polaris. Maybe I am just too sceptic, but I think there wont be any official upgrade.
Android is able to run on a [SIZE=-1]Sharp Zaurus SL-C760, which has a [/SIZE][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]PXA255 400Mhz XScale processor. The device was released in 2003.
The planned release of Android is in the second half of 2008, and both Qualcomm and HTC are members of the Open Handset Alliance which backs Android.
And I don't think that the Polaris is an old device... the Hermes is, but the Polaris
But you have a point whith the official stuff
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I'd like to try wm6.5 original...somebody has this rom ? I tried a lot of roms but dont work well in based 6.5 ...some phone numbers cant be called , etc Maybe original rom wm 6.5 is good ...Thanks !
there's no WM6.5 original since 6.5 isn't released yet, plus there will neveer be 6.5 for Kaiser official.
The problems you have aren't connected to 6.5 but maybe old radio I guess.
all the rooms are beta versions of wm 6.5. offical final release will be october 2009 but we dont expect offical release for kaiser.
try flashing a different radio version
mirkomircea said:
I'd like to try wm6.5 original...somebody has this rom ? I tried a lot of roms but dont work well in based 6.5 ...some phone numbers cant be called , etc Maybe original rom wm 6.5 is good ...Thanks !
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you should have emailed htc support instead of starting a new thread for this. please read rules about starting new threads.
Where do you live? Who is your service provider? Ah wait, it doesnt matter! Kaiser is too old for them to release an official version anyways...
I thought HTC said they will have an official 6.5 upgrade for any device 400Mhz and above. However, no providers will have an offical upgrade... But technically its the same, because you can just flash the roms found here... They are usually faster than original...
i noticed that htc provided a Hotfix to enhance the security mechanism of Bluetooth service which is dated 2009-07-31 so maybe, just maybe they still might be remembering that the kaiser exists and might provide a wm6.5 rom update
jjblaster3 said:
i noticed that htc provided a Hotfix to enhance the security mechanism of Bluetooth service which is dated 2009-07-31 so maybe, just maybe they still might be remembering that the kaiser exists and might provide a wm6.5 rom update
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HTC doesn't have to license a hot fix from M$. HTC is not about to spend their profits or R&D money licensing software for a phone they don't sell or even make anymore. No chance, no way. Besides, do you really think that Microsoft's 6.5 will be anything more than a waste of time or money ?
Will it run better than the 6.5' s we currently have in this forum ? Will it have more customization options ? Will it have more pre-installed apps ? Will it come with more support ?
No.....no....no.....and no ! So what's the point ?
In the US, AT&T does not see Tilt anymore! Not even refurbished ones...so if they dont sell it, then no updates...
denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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denco: If HTC or AT&T would make 6.5 for kaiser, we would have new nk.exe for 6.5 . Plus new optimized apps directly for Kaiser. But that would be the only thing that would be better from original first.
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i wish there was some way to modify the nk.exe for 6.5 from other devices which already have it for our kaiser, then there would be no need to recmod and we would also have additional space for more modules
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But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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LOL...yea exactly...
jjblaster3 said:
i wish there was some way to modify the nk.exe for 6.5 from other devices which already have it for our kaiser, then there would be no need to recmod and we would also have additional space for more modules
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Ok it is my understanding that you have recmod to not to use up slot 0...so I think you will have to recmod no matter what...
ai6908 said:
Ok it is my understanding that you have recmod to not to use up slot 0...so I think you will have to recmod no matter what...
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this is what i've read...
"WM 6.5 NK allows you to use more modules without taking up SLOT 0 space, so allows more flexibility to use modules (which are faster to load)"
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this is what i've read...
"WM 6.5 NK allows you to use more modules without taking up SLOT 0 space, so allows more flexibility to use modules (which are faster to load)"
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Yup in theory it sounds wonderful, but I dont think it makes a difference in reality. I do have a touch pro 2, which is the same WM sluggish one!
I came back to STOCK wm 6.1 work perfect...IGO 8 and radio , but on this forum are many fancy people....Thanks them !
denco7 said:
But again, that would be like Skoda Auto coming out with a brand new set of performance tires, for a car they do not even make anymore.
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Umm, or like Apple releasing new firmware for the original iPhone, which they don't make anymore... wait a minute.
Microsoft needs to break free of allowing releases of their mobile OS to be dictated by the device OEMs. It's a terrible practice and one of the reasons their market share in the mobile device sector is shrinking.
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Umm, or like Apple releasing new firmware for the original iPhone, which they don't make anymore... wait a minute.
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And if M$ only sold ONE phone " the Kaiser " in different variants I am sure they would release 6.5 for it.
WM 6.5 RTM's about two months ago and if you look at Josh koss thread he has a link in his sig that has the official 6.5 RTM release(21234) from MS. However there will be no RTM build for the Kaiser from HTC, but Josh's works fine. This 21234 build was the RTM build that is in the developer toolkit, and will be the build that all companies will use to create there 6.5 official releases.
As for the current 6.5 builds that everyone has those are the beta builds for 6.5.1 that will be released for the first capacitive screens, and be the "basic" WM6.5 that will ship on lower end phones not capable of running WM7.
Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!
tiwas said:
Anyone know any specifics about release dates etc? Wouldn't mind changing 6.5 for something a little newer. If I hadn't absolutely hated Nokia and Mac I would've started looking for something else by now
Cheers!
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October to November is currently the best guess.
Recent rumours are suggesting that there may be two different versions of WM7, a stripped down "Business" version and a richer "Media" one, with Business being out Q4 this year, and Media not till next year.
if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
FloatingFatMan said:
Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.
cerebralgenius said:
Well if that rumor turns out to be true then I can only imagine the disappointment of some.
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IF the rumours are true, it'll be a blow for existing software BUT, a good step for Microsof to take. I mean, have you seen the Zune HD's UI? WM7 is meant to be using that, and if so, iPhone is in trouble.
well if it runs .net then at least some apps would work
There is even newer rumor or supposedly unofficial response from microsoft, about this CE rumor. Ant it states, that Wm 7 bill be using CE7. And CE7 was already offcialy announced as to it will be using ARMv6 arhitecture.
And there is a Microsoft Commercial, where you can see some WM7-style thing beeing run on HTC touch Pro, and Xperia X1. So ported it will be, but how fast will it work on such devices, having only MSM7200.
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Rumours are also that it's no longer based on Windows CE, but on the Zune HD kernel instead; that it WON'T be backwards compatible with earlier versions, and won't run on 99.9% of existing WM devices.
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It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.
RAMMANN said:
if they split it up like that then I wonder why they'd need 6.5 anymore....
I recall first plans were WM 6.5 for media hype and WM 7 for business. Even if I thought this didn't make a lot sense to not have the new OS for media bimm bamm.
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6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.
read this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12237
there's only 1 choice left for us: 100% stable android rom.
Shasarak said:
6.5 is for cheaper, lower-specification hardware. Remember that the HD2 represents the least powerful, lowest resolution device capable of running WM7. Any new WM phone with a hardware spec in any way inferior to the HD2 will run WM6.5 instead of 7.
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I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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Yeah, I reeeeeally don't think there will be an official WM7 rom for my Fuze, but I'm hoping the chefs here will be able to make a stripped down version.
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I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.
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It's false.
I don't know if it definitely CE7, though it probably is. I am hearing that it can run 6.x apps so long as they are the same resolution. Trying to get more info.
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Until MS officially announce something, everything we hear about WM7 is going to be rumour; and one rumour can't refute another because they're both just that, rumours.
We'll have to see if they drop any more info in Feb.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device.
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Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-windows-mobile-7/
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I think that Windows Mobile 7 will be ported and modded to run on older HTC devices too
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DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I'm not 100% sure about that. The problem is that Windows Mobile 7 will run on either Windows CE 6 or 7, as opposed to the Windows CE 5 comprising Windows Mobile 5.x and 6.x. Someone will likely have to create nearly every low level component from scratch, so the OS will support the older unsupported hardware. It might be doable, but it won't be as simple as running 6.5 on a WM 6 device. There's a thread here which goes into more detail concerning Windows Mobile 7 on a current generation device (Touch Pro2), and it doesn't look good.
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RAMMANN said:
Well it was also possible to run 6.5 on PPC 2003 devices. Probably not really stable but it was possible. but anyway I don't really care. 6.5.x will stay on my Topaz and I'll pick up a new phone for WM 7 of course
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Yes, but every version of Windows Mobile from 5.0 onwards has been based on the same Windows CE kernel; that's one reason why other OSes (like Android) run so much faster than WinMo on the same hardware, and permit 720p video recording, etc. - a lot of the underlying code in WinMo hasn't been upgraded in six years.
To put it in desktop PC terms, going from Windows Mobile 5.0 all the way up to WinMo 6.5 is the equivalent of going from Windows 95 to Windows ME - it's still basically the same OS, just with a few tweaks to the UI. By contrast, going to WM7 will be like going from Windows ME to Windows Vista - a completely different operating system kernel, with a completely different driver model.
The drivers will be the biggest problem. Unless there is some device out there that officially runs WM7 and which uses exactly the same component as one on your target platform, there simply won't be anywhere you can get a driver file from; and even if such a thing exists, piecing together complete support for every component of a device by picking and choosing driver files from many different platforms would be an enormous effort.
There is a reasonable chance that we will see WM7 running on the HD2, even if there isn't an official release; that's because HTC is apparently using the HD2 as a WM7 development platform, so if someone leaks the ROM they use for testing, the cooks here could probably cobble together something reasonable using it as a basis. But for any other device, realistically there is no chance at all.
Look Here
Its CE 7.0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618631
odd would be the first time ever ms made a wm release based on a ce core not available already and tested for stability