I am looking for a new XDA phone and I noticed that most have 64 Ram, but 128 Rom. On my xda I the rom had to be flashed and the ram was used for storage and running programs. Is this not the case anymore? Thanks.
-Ross
ROM in WM2005 is used for programs and storage, while the RAM is plainly program memory for the programs to run into.
Well then in that case, do you not lose your data when your battery dies. Or is there a seperate rom for OS?
That's right...no more data loss.. ...this is called persistent memory in wm2005...(a hard reset or even a normal flash won't delete ur data,u will have to choose an additional option in bootscreen to delete them..)
RAGO :lol:
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Hi there,
I have a MDA 2, 2.03a.64WWE 2005 ROM flashed with HIMA_DOC tool patched. Altough I did not install ANY programs on device, after some time storage memory shrunk back to 0.43 MB and device started to give that annoying low storage level warning :angry:. Anyone knows the reason for this and any opinions why did storage memory shrunk back to that level? Any ideas for solution?
Best
Dr_Cikolata
Delete your browser cache and empty Outlook deleted items for a start.
This is really strange! by default, windows reset the memory level to 50% to storage & 50% to applications.
check the startup items, maybe there's a program or service running that causes all that shrinking..
clear up to 7 mb
Ok problem solved
I tought IE automatically empties the temporary files folder once in a while, but eventually it did not... 5 MB of junk deleted and back to normal life... Thanks for the advice...
Best
Dr_Cikolata
ohh great! if u like to have a software that will clean all the junk files on u're PPC, consider MemMaid :wink:
Have a great day..
Hi all, I'm not sure if it is already done, but when I open memory to see how much I spend and how much is still left I see that the phone splits memory for data use and memory for program use. is it possible to combine those to program use only? or does the pro does that automatic when program mem is full? because I bought a microsdhc cart and all my data is doing on that.
thanks in advanced!
You must be new to Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile devices has 2 types of memory, RAM and ROM. Since WM5, RAM is used to maintain running processes. ROM is used as storage (unlike pre WM5, where RAM is splitted between storage and running programs and ROM storage is hidden).
Touch Pro has 288MB RAM (about 200MB usable) and 512MB ROM (about 318MB usable). This is due to the amount of RAM used by OS (while running) and ROM used by OS (in storage).
When you insert your MicroSD card, you'll see a new folder in File Explorer. It's called Storage Card.
So, in simple statement, no, you can't combined the memory as they are different types of memory.
in other words, its like trying to combine your desktop PC RAM memory with DVD disk storage space.
lol okay I very much understand what your saying. I am new at wm idd. but hell no with computers I actually do a study Informatica but just didnt knew how wm was made or never really looked into it. I thought it was just like a harddisk on a pc were you install your programs & data like music. and it uses the RAM memory for running programs I installed on the harddisk. but never mind very much thnx for the explanation!
Hi guys, i have recently flashed my uni with the awesome TML v8.81 Rom, I noticed there is a Flash Disk under My device. What's the purpose of that? Could anyone tell me what's the difference between installing software under my device and flash disk?
Many thanks
id like to know this too, as it seems the flash disk removes 15MB or so of much needed RAM, what is the purpose of it, so far I have installed everything on normal storage, should I be installing things like Opera on the flash disk because it runs faster?
types of memory
Ok, quick resume of memory:
There are four types of internal memory on the Universal (the quoted MB are from a 64MB G3 uni):
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[B]Storage Memory[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Usually 43.72MB with 40MB free (depends on installation of full/vanilla ROM)
What: Your main storage for all installations on your device (including windows)
Use: This where the device ROM (eg WM6.x) and other device programs are stored (everything under \).
eh? : This can be considered much like your C: drive on a PC.
+info: Get a ROM that has just about everything you want.
Getting vanilla ROM and installing apps in Storage is likely to use more Storage than if you get ROM that has all apps you require.
I never install anything here unless I have no option, or it's a Today item.
Some programs will use this as cache or temp storage area.
[B]Program Memory[/B]
Type: Program (RAM)
Size: Usually 48-49MB with 30MB or less free (this figure lowers with the more Apps that are run, an initial 12MB is eaten by Windows)
What: This is your available memory for running programs. Program Memory is also for used by Boot and PagePool (usually 6MB).
Use: The more of this you have, the more programs you can run, and the faster memory hungry apps can run.
eh? : This can be considered much like your RAM on a PC
+info: The Today Screen items will also eat up this memory, so stay away from "bling" Today items if you want other memory hungry apps to run (like route navigators)
NB. This memory is NOT eaten up or reduced by any other medium (ie, FlashDisk). 30MB free is great, but 20MB is usual running for a 64MB Uni.
[B]FlashDisk[/B] (only available on G3 according to wiki [I]- someone clarify?[/I])
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Can be 10MB to 30MB - and is made available solely by what's left by the ROM and given to you by the cook
What: Extra storage which is retained through a soft-reset.
Use: Store programs you always want available (ie, not on SD), but don't want in your Storage Memory
eh?: This can be considered much like your second hard-drive on a PC.
+info: If important, choose cook and ROM wisely, otherwise install such stuff on approprate SD/Storage.
The FlashDisk is where I store my messages and attachments (and programs like music/video players if cook doesn't supply them).
NB. This doesn't take up any Program Memory. It's either made available by the cook, or if the cook doesn't make it available it's wasted space that you can't use.
[B]ExtendedROM[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Is usually 9.96MB
What: Extra memory which doesn't survive a soft-reset.
Use: Anything you don't mind losing :)
eh?: This could be considered as a RAMDrive on a PC (that is, in that it's volatile, but not that it takes up any Program Memory)
+info: I use this for all cache (eg PIExplorer, Opera etc)
NB. Again, this is either made available or wasted space you can't use (see FlashDisk NB).
[B]Storage Card[/B]
Type: External Storage
Size: Can be anything (I have seen up to 16GB)
What: Extra storage for programs, cache etc. Always slower than any of the above. (NB. If anyone really interested, I can get you some values here)
Use: Anything that doesn't fit into the Uni ;)
Install apps here that aren't required by the system (ie, non-Today items)
eh?: This could be considered as any removeable storage on a PC (even an SD card!!!)
+info: Don't put anything here that the system expects to exist (eg, Today items). I use it for maps, music, videos and all apps not supplied by ROM cook.
I only have use one huge SD card, so I install all my apps on it. You may want to reconsider your installations if you use more than one SD card.
However, Cotulla created a ROM for G3 that combined Storage (not program memory)
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Nice answer that!
Now here is where it gets confusing I own a G4 with Tomals Rom on it and it has flash disk on it, I always thought it wasn't meant to. It does work too. I keep other small apps on it, it seems to load as fast as main memory. SD cads have a small time lag on a soft reset, so anything that needs to load on start up needs to be on board not SD. I'm not a cook so i'm sure there is a good answer but I often wondered why memory can't be repartitioned over to ram instead of flash disk or storage?
Jay
Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).
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Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).
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No I get extended rom now too. things have moved on since the WiKi was made I guess.
Jay
Hi all,
sorry if this has been posted already. looked around on google etc but to no avail.
i seem to be always running low on Storage space for installed programs on the internal memory. plenty left on storage card which is fine for installing games and other apps.
however for screen mods and themes etc i.e BSB tweaks, CHT etc. I always install on the phone memory, which is now running very low.
ive tried removing all cabs no longer in use or used rarley and still have little memory, plenty of spare memory under program but not in storage (on main memory)
so im looking for an alternative to the standard 'remove programs' function which will identify what cabs are installed to the internal memory and what is installed to memory card.
or alternativly a way or transfering some of the internal program storage over to the main storage.
this will save me having to do a hard re set to restore all storage space and re install cabs again etc.
im running standard WWE 1.48.405.2 Vodafone ROM, Radio 2.05.51.05_2 on WM6.5, HD2, any help is much appreciated, thanks, Batez
use pocket mechanic to transfer applications (which phone mechanic is able to transfer) from main memory to the storage card. This app is not free though but works a treat. Not sure if there are any free apps out there which can do something similar.
Thanks Mate
adamjee said:
use pocket mechanic to transfer applications (which phone mechanic is able to transfer) from main memory to the storage card. This app is not free though but works a treat. Not sure if there are any free apps out there which can do something similar.
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Thanks Adamjee, this looks like the app for me should do the trick, and with the other functions available i think its worth the cash, although i may keep searching for a free alternaitve first ill let you know if i find anything. now i know the sort of software im looking for will defo help me in my search. much appreciated Adam.
Ty, Chris
Hi, just been having a read through the posts on this phone, My Mrs has this and there's a significant lack of memory available.
It apparently has 512RAM, however the user useable part of this seems more like 64. She's moved as many apps as possible to the SD card, but still keeps getting errors for lack of available memory.
Is there anyway around this? I've seen some threads about apps that will extend the ram to your SD card giving you more available.
Will a new ROM give any help on this? or is it a case of new phone
She's only using Facebook, Text, Phone, occasional internet on stock browser, and that's about it at the moment, but others would be nice for her. Not a good experience for her introduction to Android IMHO.
Is the phone already rooted?
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Not yet, Its still stock as it's the Mrs phone and she doesn't tamper.
All that's been done is she's moved all the apps she could to run from SD card.
Well,, first of all.. try to differ between RAM and internal memory. They're two different things.
RAM (Random Access Memory) is the memory for ur phone processing. It consist ur applications that currently working, i.e. when u open message, the RAM decreases since ur message app use some space of memory to work. when u open another app, the RAM will decrease again.
Internal Memory here is the space for ur apps storage. When u installed some app, it take space in order to succeeded when install. Each time u installed an app, the space will be decreased.
I guess that when u look into that phone, that 64 of memory there is an internal memory, not the RAM which u supposed to think. So, please notify it first. Is it really the RAM or just Internal Memory.
to know your RAM and Internal Memory space, u can access like this.
For Internal Memory : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > All. then look into the bottom bar for the space of internal memory.
For RAM : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > Running. then look into the bottom bar for ur RAM space.
Qijos said:
Well,, first of all.. try to differ between RAM and internal memory. They're two different things.
RAM (Raw Access Memory) is the memory for ur phone processing. It consist ur applications that currently working, i.e. when u open message, the RAM decreases since ur message app use some space of memory to work. when u open another app, the RAM will decrease again.
Internal Memory here is the space for ur apps storage. When u installed some app, it take space in order to succeeded when install. Each time u installed an app, the space will be decreased.
I guess that when u look into that phone, that 64 of memory there is an internal memory, not the RAM which u supposed to think. So, please notify it first. Is it really the RAM or just Internal Memory.
to know your RAM and Internal Memory space, u can access like this.
For Internal Memory : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > All. then look into the bottom bar for the space of internal memory.
For RAM : Setting > Applications > Manage Applications > Running. then look into the bottom bar for ur RAM space.
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I'll get all the info off the phone tonight - if I remember.... :silly:
However please bear with me, being new to technology, I've only worked with it since 1998, but RAM = Random Access Memory. I've never heard of Raw. same as ROM is Read Only Memory, and EPROM is Electronically Programmable ROM (IE you can flash it.)
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I'll get all the info off the phone tonight - if I remember.... :silly:
However please bear with me, being new to technology, I've only worked with it since 1998, but RAM = Random Access Memory. I've never heard of Raw. same as ROM is Read Only Memory, and EPROM is Electronically Programmable ROM (IE you can flash it.)
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Ah yes.. I mean Random Access Memory not Raw.. Sry, have been stayed too long at my office.. -.-
Lol..
However, let me know how is it going later. Will try to help u..
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