Finaly 2 days ago Orange made the M500 available in the Netherlands. I have ordered mine within the blink of the eye But when I search the internet I can't find much info about the device. Yes about the HTC Magician enough but not specific about the orange device. Is there already anybody out there who has the device? what ROM does it have etc.
Thanks,
Ramon
rvbcrs said:
Finaly 2 days ago Orange made the M500 available in the Netherlands. I have ordered mine within the blink of the eye But when I search the internet I can't find much info about the device. Yes about the HTC Magician enough but not specific about the orange device. Is there already anybody out there who has the device? what ROM does it have etc.
Thanks,
Ramon
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the M500 is the HTC Magician. But from wat i have heard it is running 1.11 ROM, 1.11 radio and not quite sure on the ExtendedROM version.
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rvbcrs said:
Finaly 2 days ago Orange made the M500 available in the Netherlands. I have ordered mine within the blink of the eye But when I search the internet I can't find much info about the device. Yes about the HTC Magician enough but not specific about the orange device. Is there already anybody out there who has the device? what ROM does it have etc.
Thanks,
Ramon
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the M500 is the HTC Magician. But from wat i have heard it is running 1.11 ROM, 1.11 radio and not quite sure on the ExtendedROM version.
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Is that a good or a bad thing? :?
it's a good thing... the 1.11 ROM is the latest.....
Cool well I will see when the mail man brings him in on of these days can't wait.
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Cool well I will see when the mail man brings him in on of these days can't wait.
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congrats.... it's a good device.. it has some flaws but over all it's good u'll like it
is it only available with a contract for 2 years?
in the orange shop you can choose only a business abonement for 2 years, minimum 40 euro. and i want to order a new 1 year contract with m500...
htvi said:
is it only available with a contract for 2 years?
in the orange shop you can choose only a business abonement for 2 years, minimum 40 euro. and i want to order a new 1 year contract with m500...
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here it's possible to take an 1 year contract (retention as well) maybe you can call the customer service of Orange maybe they have an offer for you?
btw. i don't think it's v1.11 but 1.06
I have M500 and below is web site. You may find mor information
http://www.cypactech.com/
rvbcrs said:
Finaly 2 days ago Orange made the M500 available in the Netherlands. I have ordered mine within the blink of the eye But when I search the internet I can't find much info about the device. Yes about the HTC Magician enough but not specific about the orange device. Is there already anybody out there who has the device? what ROM does it have etc.
Thanks,
Ramon
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I received my Orange SPV M500 yesterday, i paid 215 euro once,and I had to take a One Year Orange contribution which is 32,50 euro monthly costs. In the package was a 1Gb SD card and a mr Handsfree Butterfly.
When I go to Start>>Settings>>Device Information i have:
Operator version : 6.06.3.162
ROM version : 1.06.00 WWE
ROM date : 01/06/05
Radio version : 1.05.10
Protocol version : 1337.39
ExtROM version : 1.06.162 WWE
What IMHO is very very disappointing that I cannot use the VoiceDialing trough my mr Handsfree Bluetooth Headset... For placing a call you still need to take out your m500, stupid :x
Second It Would Be Cool to use the Stereo HO Headset for listening to Mp3's. But I saw antoher thread about this, hope this would be solved soon.
I also have sometimes trouble connecting to GPRS services. But I read some other threads that this is normal for this Rom.
Take Care , Tom from Holland
Related
GSM Radio: 0.26.07.06B
Protocol version: 22.32.70.01.bH
CE version: 1.07.502.0
OS build: Windows Mobile 6 AKU 0.3.1 Build 17938
http://rapidshare.com/files/3825569...02.0_Radio_22.32.70.01.b_0.26.07.06B_Test.exe
Wondering does it works for Cingular 8525
Does it works for 8525??
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Does it works for 8525??
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what do you think?
Thanks
thanks - i'll give this a try since it has a newer radio
ausbj what version are you using at the moment?
I really don't like operator roms so I am going to give this a miss.
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Does it works for 8525??
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um NO........
Works great, thanks!
I flashed it last night, and I like the newer radio.
Rom version: 1.07.502.0
Rom date: 6/13/07
Radio: 0.26.07.06B
Protocol: 22.32.70.01.bh
CPU: Qualcomm 7200
Speed: 400mhz
RAM: 128MB
Flash size: 256MB
Data bus: 32bits
Storage: 133.41MB
Colors: 65536
It also shipped with a 2GB Micro SD card in the phone, which was a nice surprise.
Thanks for the newer rom. Other than removing the AT&T crap (customizations), its perfect for me.
Yeah baby! The first Kaiser ROM image. I'll start seeing if we will need to tweak the toolsets.
@sonystyle:
parts of it will
Ok, nbhextract works. However, imgfs/XIP has been bumped a bit in the nb so I can't retrieve it fttb. I'll start looking at this.
I wonder if HTC is planning on their own version of this device.... I'd sure like to start out with a SIM-Unlocked Kaiser.
edit: Found the answer (which is "yes, as the P4550")
Thanks!
Thanks Sleuth.
My phone is unlocked. The first one wasnt but there seem to be several floating around unlocked now.
Hope you can customize it for us!
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Ok, nbhextract works. However, imgfs/XIP has been bumped a bit in the nb so I can't retrieve it fttb. I'll start looking at this.
I wonder if HTC is planning on their own version of this device.... I'd sure like to start out with a SIM-Unlocked Kaiser.
edit: Found the answer (which is "yes, as the P4550")
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Ok, nbhextract works. However, imgfs/XIP has been bumped a bit in the nb so I can't retrieve it fttb. I'll start looking at this.
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Image sector size: 2056 Byte (2048 + 8).
So you are testing the Cingular/AT&T version of the phone?
May I ask where you got it and how much it cost? I'm on the network and have been drooling over this phone.
AT&T Cingular rom
Nope I got an unlocked pre production phone and then downloaded the AT&T/Cingular ROM from this site.
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So you are testing the Cingular/AT&T version of the phone?
May I ask where you got it and how much it cost? I'm on the network and have been drooling over this phone.
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Nope I got an unlocked pre production phone and then downloaded the AT&T/Cingular ROM from this site.
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im curoius to see how you got one in Australia...
I am testing one and seems that the Qualcomm implementation of HSDPA and even EDGE is superior to the 8525. A-GPS is a pain and will not work as a classical GPS. Need for AT&T to offer A-GPS as an E911 feature to be able to use it ( December 07). The phone is the first ever to offer HSUPA ( 2Mbps uplink) which will be deployed November07 ( tested succesfully in the lab),
Camera 3Mbs is nice too but not as good as digital cameras but far better than the 8525 camera. I will post some shots later
WM6 still buggy. It freezes often while streaming media player or realplayer
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I am testing one and seems that the Qualcomm implementation of HSDPA and even EDGE is superior to the 8525. A-GPS is a pain and will not work as a classical GPS. Need for AT&T to offer A-GPS as an E911 feature to be able to use it ( December 07). The phone is the first ever to offer HSUPA ( 2Mbps uplink) which will be deployed November07 ( tested succesfully in the lab),
Camera 3Mbs is nice too but not as good as digital cameras but far better than the 8525 camera. I will post some shots later
WM6 still buggy. It freezes often while streaming media player or realplayer
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lucky [email protected].. wish i could find my way into beta testing.. i've scoured the company intranet looking for some way to get in that..
The World is Full of lucky Bastards
kaiser cing/att 8925 hum looks like new at&t is coming out anyone know is it gona be video calling 3G?
No. Video calling will never be introduced in the US( at least for now ) . It is a capacity drainer for the operators and will be priced very high. The only video service will be video share ( launched as we apeak ). You will be able to stream live to the internet so your friends can see you anywhere on a PC
Hi austin_boy
Quick question on the camera. Does it auto-focus?
Thanks
Slider
hi,
I just wanted to know if there is any (stock or custom) english ROM available for the Polaris anywhere? Reason for my question is that I have an english version on order from expansys but the date keeps getting pushed back every week and I'm sick of waiting and there are several local dealers that have german versions in stock. But I just can't stand german language devices, so if there was an english ROM I could simply install in the german (unlocked) device I'd cancel my order and would get one right away
we all wait to the WWE ROM , there are same guys that work on it
I am very interested in this as well. I can purchase a unit with the Norwegian version if Windows Mobile for a nice price, but I really, really, really want a unit with English on it...
How easy is it to switch the entire OS & applications on these units?
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I am very interested in this as well. I can purchase a unit with the Norwegian version if Windows Mobile for a nice price, but I really, really, really want a unit with English on it...
How easy is it to switch the entire OS & applications on these units?
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Very easy. Just a few click and there you go. Just wait for sumitter to start posting ROM's or wait for the cooked room which is coming out in the next two weeks or so after Olipro release the CID unlocker.
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Very easy. Just a few click and there you go. Just wait for sumitter to start posting ROM's or wait for the cooked room which is coming out in the next two weeks or so after Olipro release the CID unlocker.
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And then all will be in English? The OS, the Office Mobile, etc? It will be 100% identical to a unit purchased with WWE?
evert said:
And then all will be in English? The OS, the Office Mobile, etc? It will be 100% identical to a unit purchased with WWE?
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Yes indeed!
reyjabs said:
Yes indeed!
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I can hardly wait. Norwegian is like Greek to me! ;-)
hi all
all dumped rom is available at all language same,the requirement for reconstruction:
the original shipped rom,
the custom ruu,
and the hard spl
wait the developement team, work in progress.
Bye
Price is coming down.... I'm getting tempted
Maybe there's a reason for? ;-) I was going to get one for myself, but missunderstanding with wireless signal in landscape mode have changed my mind, since I game a lot.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
Yes, the price is coming down because of the dual cores coming out, and other Samsung 1.2 or 1.4Ghz single cores etc. The Desire S is fast enough for me though!
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Price is coming down.... I'm getting tempted
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Do you have a direct link as i can only find it for £359???
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-Desire-...U9YM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303417332&sr=8-1
It looks like you have missed it, sorry It was definitely that price this morning... and it was from Amazon, not a marketplace seller. I still think some other good deals will come along soon. Just wait for some more dual core phones to come out... ;-)
Sent from my E10i using XDA App
Check out this deal. Could be the cheapest way to get the phone:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/htc-desire-s-free-includes-internet-90-cashback-no-redemptions-13-50-per-month-o/924805/#post11114827
I went for 18 months at £18.50 - if the £90 quidco tracks that would mean the phone would cost me £243. I know that would be on a low useage contract but even if you never used the contract, the phone would still be cheaper than anywhere else.
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Komatoes said:
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OMG!!!!!! I just made a thread on this that o2 had it but you had to have to have all the o2 apps + £15 to unlock!!! Now THIS is EVEN BETTER!!!!
I am defo getting this phone now!! The price will only drop, and drop! Come on June/July, i'm waiting for you!
(I have even changed my avatar to the desire s... I want it that bad )
Actually, it's £379.99.... have you got a link pls?
Or maybe amazon editted it when they releized it was too cheap... Damn ... xD
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Actually, it's £379.99.... have you got a link pls?
Or maybe amazon editted it when they releized it was too cheap... Damn ... xD
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It was from Amazon. I checked it when I first read this thread and it was at £329.99
But hours later, the price went back up :/
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It was from Amazon. I checked it when I first read this thread and it was at £329.99
But hours later, the price went back up :/
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Shame... maybe they made a typo, then had to correct it... Anyway, by the time i upgrade phone in June, the price would have dropped to less than £300 ... do you think it would?
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Shame... maybe they made a typo, then had to correct it... Anyway, by the time i upgrade phone in June, the price would have dropped to less than £300 ... do you think it would?
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hey man get this http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/htc-desire-s-free-includes-internet-90-cashback-no-redemptions-13-50-per-month-o/924805/#post11114827
after topcashback it comes to about £240, and you can bring the contract down to £10.50 a month from 13.50 which makes it about 160 after cashback, i got it, dont plan on using the sim card, works out well cheaper than buying the phone, only on offer for saturday and possibly sunday so snap it up quickly
agolding said:
hey man get this http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/htc-desire-s-free-includes-internet-90-cashback-no-redemptions-13-50-per-month-o/924805/#post11114827
after topcashback it comes to about £240, and you can bring the contract down to £10.50 a month from 13.50 which makes it about 160 after cashback, i got it, dont plan on using the sim card, works out well cheaper than buying the phone, only on offer for saturday and possibly sunday so snap it up quickly
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Thanks for that! But i'd like a sim free phone, as i'm happy with my giffgaff tariff, thanks anyway!
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/04/22/price-htc-desire-s-falls-330/
Go here!
THey said it was, but the price changed! It was £329! But went up... :/
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Thanks for that! But i'd like a sim free phone, as i'm happy with my giffgaff tariff, thanks anyway!
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o2 sim unlock it for free it works out far cheaper than buying the handset, and giffgaff use o2 anyway so its not locked to use with them.
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o2 sim unlock it for free it works out far cheaper than buying the handset, and giffgaff use o2 anyway so its not locked to use with them.
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Thanks, if you look at the general forum, i created a thread on this too
o2 sell it payg for £329 aswell THe only rerason i do not want it is because of the o2 bloatware, and i won't be installing custom ROMs...
Just went out and purchased this, this afternoon from the O2 shop for £324.40
Got £5.50 off for O2 loyalty/rewards for my old pay and go sim lol... Not bad
Gonna spend the weekend playing with it...
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Just went out and purchased this, this afternoon from the O2 shop for £324.40
Got £5.50 off for O2 loyalty/rewards for my old pay and go sim lol... Not bad
Gonna spend the weekend playing with it...
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nice lucky you
is there any o2 bloatware on it? any o2 apps, themes, bootscreens?
Funnily enough mine doesnt have anything O2!
No bootscreens, no apps, themes or even screen savers lol!
Firmware is:
1.28.401.1 with 2.1 Sense and 2.3.3 GB.
Oh and it also came with a SanDisk SD card rather than the usual Samsung
The chap at the store did say it was a new batch that came in today so i think it may have generic firmware.
Think i got lucky!!
When i get some time i may try another sim.
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Funnily enough mine doesnt have anything O2!
No bootscreens, no apps, themes or even screen savers lol!
Firmware is:
1.28.401.1 with 2.1 Sense and 2.3.3 GB.
Oh and it also came with a SanDisk SD card rather than the usual Samsung
The chap at the store did say it was a new batch that came in today so i think it may have generic firmware.
Think i got lucky!!
When i get some time i may try another sim.
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wow! you are so lucky! do they have any demo units in stire to play around with? i'll go chexk it out at my own o2 shop soon! are you sure, because i heard ppl say that the browser default homepage is the o2 page... can you pls check?
maybe when you get future updates, you might get the o2 crapware back...
pls try another sim to see if it's unlocked
Just checked browser and its set to www.google.com
Ive switched the updates off for now incase they close the GB exploit
And guess what!!
ITS SIM FREE Whooooohooooo!
Good job you asked me to check! Worth much more!
Im sooo happy!
If you need any numbers from the box i can provide them for you to "hopefully" increase your chances of a simfree generic handset.
Did anyone get the WWE version that is going on sale today?
Anyone from UK?
I am interested in bootloader version, Rom Version and any new observations regarding screen brand, date of manufacture and so on.
Thanks
They're on sale over here (UK) from the 27th, although I think some of the online mobile places are supplying the SIM-free units on new contracts
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They're on sale over here (UK) from the 27th, although I think some of the online mobile places are supplying the SIM-free units on new contracts
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they r on sale already here
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n443/p107027.aspx
Not the vodaphone branded ones that have been out for some time already.
The ones with WWE Roms. They have no vodafone splash screen
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Not the vodaphone branded ones that have been out for some time already.
The ones with WWE Roms. They have no vodafone splash screen
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they started selling those yesterday, they r not branded
Yes I am refering to those mate, thanks
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Not the vodaphone branded ones that have been out for some time already.
The ones with WWE Roms. They have no vodafone splash screen
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Most places selling them SIM-free have next week listed as the release date
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-Sensation-Free-Mobile-Phone/dp/B004Z4SJ78
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Most places selling them SIM-free have next week listed as the release date
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...apixel-Touch-Screen-Mobile-Phone/Product.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-Sensation-Free-Mobile-Phone/dp/B004Z4SJ78
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Clove and handtek have them for today
There is confirmation that handtek and clove are shipping today....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14970759#post14970759
HandTec and KingOfGadgets have the WWE Sim-Free versions in stock today (22nd June).
I made a pre-order with KingOfGadgets awhile back, and in fact my HTC Sensation is now in the post and should arrive in 2-3 working days.
I will report back here my bootloader details when I receive my HTC Sensation - it will be the first thing I'll check for!
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HandTec and KingOfGadgets have the WWE Sim-Free versions in stock today (22nd June).
I made a pre-order with KingOfGadgets awhile back, and in fact my HTC Sensation is now in the post and should arrive in 2-3 working days.
I will report back here my bootloader details when I receive my HTC Sensation - it will be the first thing I'll check for!
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Thanks mate. That will be great
Ok so I got HTC sensation today... They say 2-3 days delivery but I got it next day and delivery was free
Anyways it is s-on, may 13th.
Although I should say the screen is fantastic, the colours are rich and it has very good viewing angles.
Unless you absolutely need root now, don't worry about not getting an s-off device. Theoretically speaking, if the HTC sensation never got s-off then the custom ROM cooking would never really take off, developers would bother less if they were developing for just 1% of users that have factory s-off. So don't worry, s-off will come, HTC have said it themselves
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
prank1 said:
Ok so I got HTC sensation today... They say 2-3 days delivery but I got it next day and delivery was free
Anyways it is s-on, may 13th.
Although I should say the screen is fantastic, the colours are rich and it has very good viewing angles.
Unless you absolutely need root now, don't worry about not getting an s-off device. Theoretically speaking, if the HTC sensation never got s-off then the custom ROM cooking would never really take off, developers would bother less if they were developing for just 1% of users that have factory s-off. So don't worry, s-off will come, HTC have said it themselves
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
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Could you please post rom version and hboot version?
Thanks
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Could you please post rom version and hboot version?
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Sure
ROM Version: 1.28.401.1
HBOOT: S-ON, 1.17.0008, May 13th 2011
Ah, still on the older version. Shame
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Ah, still on the older version. Shame
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Indeed :-(
I have the euro/asian unbranded unlocked sensation.
ROM Version: 1.28.707.2
HBOOT: S-ON, 1.17.0008, May 13th 2011
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Sure
ROM Version: 1.28.401.1
HBOOT: S-ON, 1.17.0008, May 13th 2011
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Yes, shame.
I expected 1.32...
latest unbranded is 1.34.401.1 - would've expected unbranded handsets to have that now seeing as review models do
What is the significance of WWE?
I am assuming that this is an S-OFF radio version of the sensation?
If so is there a certain date beyond which is WWE?
When I first saw this post I thought WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) had released some custom skinned version of the phone.
Guy at work got the Orange branded Sensation today - I noticed it was S-On - I guess new models aren't coming out S-Off'd? are HTC rolling out updates to remove it in the near future, or will they release a dev tool to s-off perhaps?
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Guy at work got the Orange branded Sensation today - I noticed it was S-On - I guess new models aren't coming out S-Off'd? are HTC rolling out updates to remove it in the near future, or will they release a dev tool to s-off perhaps?
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You probably don't use facebook...HTC announced that they will start unlocking in September
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
Thought it was August.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
How bad is the Orange ROM? I know the RUU was one of the first to leak but I wanna know how bad they've butchered it!
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Thought it was August.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
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There will be an update in august, but the actual unlock update will be in september.
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
My mate has sensation on t-mobile as well. I'm gonna check the forums to see if both networks have signal problems like vodafone uk.
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How bad is the Orange ROM? I know the RUU was one of the first to leak but I wanna know how bad they've butchered it!
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From what i saw they'd changed the boot anim, the shut down anim, the mail app, the internet app (or at least buggered around with it) installed a few random apps like 'my orange' and that's about as much as i've seen so far...
let me know if there's anything specific you want me to find out..
My HTC Sensation with ROM Bell Canada.Have you any idea? There are a RUU out for them?
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My HTC Sensation with ROM Bell Canada.Have you any idea? There are a RUU out for them?
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check shipped roms?
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check shipped roms?
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I checked and it was not in the pyramid section! :
http://shipped-roms.com/index.php?category=android&model=Pyramid
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From what i saw they'd changed the boot anim, the shut down anim, the mail app, the internet app (or at least buggered around with it) installed a few random apps like 'my orange' and that's about as much as i've seen so far...
let me know if there's anything specific you want me to find out..
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That's enough Orange crap on the ROM to convince me to upgrade via Carphone Whorehouse, unless by some miracle someone comes up with a way to debrand it within the next 5 days...
Lots of crapware added...
some orange apps, the orange account one is useful, the rest rubbish. There are paid ones, like Maps, traffic etc, and also 4-5 rubbish games, a MSN messenger which only works on 3G and not WIFI, etc...
In short the usual Orange ****up!
Cant wait for the unlock, to slash and burn through this mess!
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That's enough Orange crap on the ROM to convince me to upgrade via Carphone Whorehouse, unless by some miracle someone comes up with a way to debrand it within the next 5 days...
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Definitely CPW for the upgrade, they only stock unbranded handsets so its where I got mine from
Was gonna do the same, esp since my local CPW guys are really great, BUT they can only do standard upgrades, whereas you always get a better deal by calling orange retentions direct. And they only send you direct from Orange stock, I asked if I could pick it up from CPW or even the local Orange shop, and they said no, it has to be posted.
In the same postion myself, due my orange upgrade, but dont want the crap. However i cant use carphone whare as they wont do a standard orange upgrade for me - as i still get free home broadband from my old orange contract i dont want to loose that!
But does anyone really believe that orange/tmobile will allow the htc updates in aug/sept to allow s-off - i for one suspect they will not allow this.
I will prob take the upgrade from orange, ebay it new and buy network free from elsewhere.
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But does anyone really believe that orange/tmobile will allow the htc updates in aug/sept to allow s-off - i for one suspect they will not allow this.
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I doubt very much that Orange will allow s-off on their handsets. They are branded for a reason, and that reason is to **** people off. I only got the Desire once I was certain that it could be de-branded, and getting that Orange crapware off of it was the best thing I ever did to the phone.
I would have to be offered a very good deal to accept an Orange branded handset again, especially if it couldn't be de-branded, and at the moment it looks like the Sensation can't.