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Upgrading ... is it really Necessary.

Guyz, i've been using my imate JAM for about 3 weeks now. havent had any problems with it. Running preety smooth it is. but i occasionally had to soft reset it because it got hung up on something (maybe it was processing something or ..) Anyways, i've read loads about this Upgrading of ROMS. tell me if it is really necessary. And if it really helps to upgrade, WHICH ROM VERSION is the best and STABLE. Please Help me.

Well it's not necessary to update the rom, don't know your version but it can't be very old, isn't it?
Check your memory to see whether it is running low on ram, start -> settings -> system -> memory -> main (1st tab). The right side shows the ram occupied by files on your device, the left side shows the ram occupied by running programs. A magician only got 64MB of ram shared by running programs & installed programs. & installing apps. to the default location decreases that amout rapidly. Also take a look on the 3rd tab (running programs), pushing the x button doesn't close programs it minimizes them. You can free up ram by closing them manually or by installing app like vjokbut (very small), spb pocket plus, battry bar & others.
If your system is constantly running low on memory & you got a lot of apps. installed in the default location, consider doing a hard-reset & start all over again installing apps to either SD or internal Storage folder. To choose where cab-files should install you can use cabinstl very handy small tool. & don't forget to delete the Internet Explorer once in a while by hand in \windows\temporary internet files or have eg memmaid do it & You can even store the cache on SD if you like with this pogram.
If this all doesn't help you can try BIG Storage. With this you enlarge the internal Storage folder from 7 to 27MB. Howto's on the board & in the wiki.
Regards, M

Is it not the other way around, the right side (Program) shows the running programs and the left side (Storage) is for installed programs? I usually check my memory after starting a newly installed program just to see how much ram it consumes and it's the right side that decreases in value.

Yes you're correct I messed up. The right side (Program) shows the RAM consumed by running programs and the left side (Storage) is for installed programs & other features in the \Windows folder.
Excuse me pls,
M

no problem man. nobody is perfect.

oltp said:
Well it's not necessary to update the rom, don't know your version but it can't be very old, isn't it?
Check your memory to see whether it is running low on ram, start -> settings -> system -> memory -> main (1st tab). The right side shows the ram occupied by files on your device, the left side shows the ram occupied by running programs. A magician only got 64MB of ram shared by running programs & installed programs. & installing apps. to the default location decreases that amout rapidly. Also take a look on the 3rd tab (running programs), pushing the x button doesn't close programs it minimizes them. You can free up ram by closing them manually or by installing app like vjokbut (very small), spb pocket plus, battry bar & others.
If your system is constantly running low on memory & you got a lot of apps. installed in the default location, consider doing a hard-reset & start all over again installing apps to either SD or internal Storage folder. To choose where cab-files should install you can use cabinstl very handy small tool. & don't forget to delete the Internet Explorer once in a while by hand in \windows\temporary internet files or have eg memmaid do it & You can even store the cache on SD if you like with this pogram.
If this all doesn't help you can try BIG Storage. With this you enlarge the internal Storage folder from 7 to 27MB. Howto's on the board & in the wiki.
Regards, M
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Ok,
First: ov all my phone specs are:
imate JAM
ROM ver - 1.12 WWE
RADIO ver - 1.12.10
PROTOCOL ver - 1337.42
EXT Rom ver - 1.12.167 WWE
Secondly: DO i need an UPGRADE ??
And: hmmm, BIG STORAGE.. well it increases my Interernal Storage to 27 MB .. and it helps to do ....... what ???

Your rom is OK & upgrade really NOT necessary. BS is nice to install apps on, no need. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

Is there a software tool to free up RAM in WM5?

Hi all, I know about SKTools comes with "Free Up RAM" but I just want "Free Up RAM". SKTools seems to mess my device up (Dopod 818Pro).
Any ideas???
Thanks all!!
voyager

MemMaid and SpaceReclaimer both support WM5.0.

Hi Leek, Thanks for the info, however neither of these is what I'm looking for (or at least I think I'm not looking for them). SKTools has a "Free Up RAM" one button operation that literally kills RAM sucking dll's and such and can reclaim up to 2MB of RAM. I have MemMaid and like it a lot but unless someone can point in the right direction if MemMaid can do this I would certainly appreciate the help!!
Thanks!
voyager

Try this Smartphone Application, works wonders!
http://www.oxios.com/memory/

Valk Space Reclaimer is "one-button", in a sense -- you just have to run it, and it can stop all programs, free memory, etc.
MemMaid offers more options, more fine-tuning control, but is also more dangerous if you don't know what you're doing with it
Space Reclaimer is easier for novices to use, requires almost no setup, and it can be programmed to automatically exit after running. It can also be programmed to run automatically after soft reset.
I have no idea about the relative effectiveness of these programs. I know they both free up memory, because I've used them successfully, freeing up as much as 3 MB in one run.
I have not tried Oxios Memory, but it doesn't appear that it's been released for WM5 yet (there's an alpha version on the web page).

RE
Oxios Memory works fine on my QTEK 9000 (aka Universal) running WM5 :lol:

Oxios memory 1.40
New release of Oxios memory 1.40 - now states is PPC and WM5 compatible. Hibernate works well on my device and I have set it to start on wakeup using the notification queue method. However Closeapps has a bug where it sends windows media player into some sort of intro mode! So I only use hibernate.

most memory actually goes into caching windows fonts and last known state...
kinda like when u play text twist or bejewelled and u quit the app [ or so u thought ] and when u do open it again, it will still revert to the last known state...
such cache will take up memory
ie more apps opened and closed, more cache memory..
only way is to reboot the ppc.

Memmaid 1.72
It is only the new version of memmaid that comes with the "Reclaim RAM" program. It is a separate program that installs with the same CAB. I have run it several times, including when my memory had fallen by about 10MB in spite of the fact that nothing was currently running, and Reclaim RAM said there was no memory to be gained. A soft reset regained the 10MB. So my unscientific impression is that this program does nothing.
Soft resets, on the other hand, do a great job.

You are absolutely right. MemMaid 1.72 free up RAM does nothing on my I-Mate Jasjar no matter how low the program memory has gone.
Maybe they will release a bug fix.
Regards

I can confirm too on a MDA Vario MemMaid v1.72 Reclaim Memory does sweet FA! Zilch! Nothing! Useless non-working feature!

Well.... another confirmation....
I've tried oxios memory and memmaid's free up ram feature...
They both are almost same in the result, i.e. sometimes they free up upto 1.5 MB of space and sometimes, nothing.
Even when the memory drops to something like 50% of normal, with no programs running, still these programs don't do anything to warrant their install. Have given up using either as a soft reset works wonders.
P.S. I have a Tmobile MDA compact II (Charmer) and have just two days ago updated the ROM from tmobile website. Seems to work much better and has more RAM too (even with activesync running in background as it usually keeps doing).

How to free PROGRAM MEMORY in wm5

I had a friend who had this problem.I wonder who can help?With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb left at factory default settings. My friend is running short of Program memory.ie ram space.
She is using eten m600+ that had 180mb storage for user and only 30mb program memory for user left at time of factory default settings.(when Bought from the shop)
original specs state 256mb rom and 64 mb ram.
after installing many programs the ppc still had about 125mb(excessive and redundant for running programs) left in storage and only 10 mb left in program memory.
Problem is certain programs like mapking, imap, agenda fusion(3000 contacts) consumes about 10 mb of program memory to run. then there is insufficient program memory to run a 2nd program at the same time.
If only we can shift like in my case 10 to 20mb from storage memory to program memory the the etenm600+ ppc would be wonderful.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THIS?
She has also a miotech A700 with about almost the same programs installed.The miotech factory default program memory is also left with 30mb when purchased. HOWEVER with almost the same programs installed the program memory left is about 25mb.THERFORE on miotech there is no problems to run multiple programs concurrently.
Question:
1.What cause the difference in usage of the program memory?
2.What to do to ensure that the program memory is not used up during installation of programs?
3.Are we able to see the Program memory to identify which of our programs are occupying the space?
4.Can we do anything eg to shift the programs that occupy the space in program memory to storage memory or storage card( like the way we are able to shift certain programs from storage memory to storage card by shifting the programs from the Program files in Main Memory to Program files in storage card therby freeing the storage memory)
Any insight into this would be much appreciated. At this point manufacturers had yet to increase ram ie program memory from 64mb up to 128 or 256mb as had been done for storage memory ie rom in the case of eten600+ had been increased to 256mb from 128mb(Eten m600/o2 or dopod products)
With my O2 wizard i used to be running short of rom space ie storage memory as it had only 32mb at factory default settings

Ok, here is the memory explanation:
As you may or may not (I am not quite certain from your post) know on WM5 devices like the Wizard storage memory is ROM, or more precisely flash (NAND if you want to get technical).
Program memory is RAM (I think it's SRAM not sure).
Since these are two physically different types of memory there is no way what so ever to use one in place of the other. So no borrowing storage memory to run programs.
Even if it was somehow possible (which it's not) to use flash to run programs it would bring your device to a halt as its read / write speeds are much to slow.
On WM5 systems RAM (program memory) is used just like on PC exclusively for running programs. It can not be used for storage so there is no danger of it being wasted during installation.
I don't have an explanation regarding the ETEN vs MIO issue, but keep the following in mind:
1) 64MB is in reality reported as about 55MB (binary count difference), 10 - 15 of that is reserved by the system and as much as 5 more may be taken up by resident apps / services depending on the device and the provider.
2) Same program may use up different amounts of RAM under different circumstances and may have memory leaks which means the memory it uses grows over time even if you do not input more data.
Also check out this neat app. Its a really great tool if you want to see whats going on on your device.

Difference between install under device and flash disk in Tomal rom

Hi guys, i have recently flashed my uni with the awesome TML v8.81 Rom, I noticed there is a Flash Disk under My device. What's the purpose of that? Could anyone tell me what's the difference between installing software under my device and flash disk?
Many thanks

id like to know this too, as it seems the flash disk removes 15MB or so of much needed RAM, what is the purpose of it, so far I have installed everything on normal storage, should I be installing things like Opera on the flash disk because it runs faster?

types of memory
Ok, quick resume of memory:
There are four types of internal memory on the Universal (the quoted MB are from a 64MB G3 uni):
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[B]Storage Memory[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Usually 43.72MB with 40MB free (depends on installation of full/vanilla ROM)
What: Your main storage for all installations on your device (including windows)
Use: This where the device ROM (eg WM6.x) and other device programs are stored (everything under \).
eh? : This can be considered much like your C: drive on a PC.
+info: Get a ROM that has just about everything you want.
Getting vanilla ROM and installing apps in Storage is likely to use more Storage than if you get ROM that has all apps you require.
I never install anything here unless I have no option, or it's a Today item.
Some programs will use this as cache or temp storage area.
[B]Program Memory[/B]
Type: Program (RAM)
Size: Usually 48-49MB with 30MB or less free (this figure lowers with the more Apps that are run, an initial 12MB is eaten by Windows)
What: This is your available memory for running programs. Program Memory is also for used by Boot and PagePool (usually 6MB).
Use: The more of this you have, the more programs you can run, and the faster memory hungry apps can run.
eh? : This can be considered much like your RAM on a PC
+info: The Today Screen items will also eat up this memory, so stay away from "bling" Today items if you want other memory hungry apps to run (like route navigators)
NB. This memory is NOT eaten up or reduced by any other medium (ie, FlashDisk). 30MB free is great, but 20MB is usual running for a 64MB Uni.
[B]FlashDisk[/B] (only available on G3 according to wiki [I]- someone clarify?[/I])
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Can be 10MB to 30MB - and is made available solely by what's left by the ROM and given to you by the cook
What: Extra storage which is retained through a soft-reset.
Use: Store programs you always want available (ie, not on SD), but don't want in your Storage Memory
eh?: This can be considered much like your second hard-drive on a PC.
+info: If important, choose cook and ROM wisely, otherwise install such stuff on approprate SD/Storage.
The FlashDisk is where I store my messages and attachments (and programs like music/video players if cook doesn't supply them).
NB. This doesn't take up any Program Memory. It's either made available by the cook, or if the cook doesn't make it available it's wasted space that you can't use.
[B]ExtendedROM[/B]
Type: Internal Storage
Size: Is usually 9.96MB
What: Extra memory which doesn't survive a soft-reset.
Use: Anything you don't mind losing :)
eh?: This could be considered as a RAMDrive on a PC (that is, in that it's volatile, but not that it takes up any Program Memory)
+info: I use this for all cache (eg PIExplorer, Opera etc)
NB. Again, this is either made available or wasted space you can't use (see FlashDisk NB).
[B]Storage Card[/B]
Type: External Storage
Size: Can be anything (I have seen up to 16GB)
What: Extra storage for programs, cache etc. Always slower than any of the above. (NB. If anyone really interested, I can get you some values here)
Use: Anything that doesn't fit into the Uni ;)
Install apps here that aren't required by the system (ie, non-Today items)
eh?: This could be considered as any removeable storage on a PC (even an SD card!!!)
+info: Don't put anything here that the system expects to exist (eg, Today items). I use it for maps, music, videos and all apps not supplied by ROM cook.
I only have use one huge SD card, so I install all my apps on it. You may want to reconsider your installations if you use more than one SD card.
However, Cotulla created a ROM for G3 that combined Storage (not program memory)
.

Nice answer that!
Now here is where it gets confusing I own a G4 with Tomals Rom on it and it has flash disk on it, I always thought it wasn't meant to. It does work too. I keep other small apps on it, it seems to load as fast as main memory. SD cads have a small time lag on a soft reset, so anything that needs to load on start up needs to be on board not SD. I'm not a cook so i'm sure there is a good answer but I often wondered why memory can't be repartitioned over to ram instead of flash disk or storage?
Jay

Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).

JonMorgan said:
Yes, I think that wiki is wrong. I'm sure it's the ExtendedROM that's only on G3, whereas FD is down to the cook.
Hardware constraint on Uni means you can't partition Storage (or FD etc) over to Program Memory (RAM).
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No I get extended rom now too. things have moved on since the WiKi was made I guess.
Jay

Out of main memory....help please

Although I have all photos, music, apps etc pointed to 'external' memory I am now getting low memory (<2MB) warnings. I have manaully purged (as much as I feel confident with) main memory and even uninstalled and re-installed programs to ensure that they reside in external memory. However when I search for files >64KB there are no files reported in main. This is driving me crazy and I need help before I microwave my HTC Diamond. Please, please point me in the right direction

The messages are probably not for storage memory but for either RAM or virtual memory. Close applications instead of minimizing them (the usual default). Get a task manager and see what's going on.

I hoped that that was the case however I have a RAM cleaner tool and even after running that and killing all processes I still have low memory. Is there any way I can determine what is taking up main memory?

you know one of my friends has the same problem with his samsung omni and i can't for the life of me find what is taking up so much room. he is pretty back to stock and we have tried everything. i tell him to return his phone as defective but he hasn't. is this a winmo problem that could be a bad code or is it just dumb luck that this has happened to an htc and samsung?

Calendar items, phone logs, messages reside in main memory too -- have you cleared those?

I do use the calendar and maybe clearing some of the old entries will help. However I do not use the handset as a voice phone, only data, and have no call logs or texts taking up space. I do use it for email so will check that too. That said it's currently using 83.36MB out of 84.56MB and doubt if the odd deletions will make a great difference. Is there a way of partitioning some of the storage card space over to extend the main storage area?

You can relocate \My Documents pretty easily with a registry change. You can also move your PIE cache (sk tools will help with this). These things might help. I thought the diamond had 4G of internal memory? Does it have a small main memory and then a large internal storage memory? I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with it.
You may want to install ClearTemp or something similar to clean out your temp and volatile folders. And you're sure it's not a ram issue? Do you have the problem immediately after a soft reset, or does it take a while?

I may have been leading you down the garden path. When I run the memory app' in Settings there are two totals: Storage and Program. In storage 82.7MB out of 84.5MB is in use and in program 78MB out of 111MB is in use. The Diamond complains of being almost out of memory shortly after it is turned on. Without a guide to follow I'm a little ill at ease attempting registry changes even though I have advanced config and PHM RegEdit installed. I will try ClearTemp if I can install it! Thanks for the help to date.

Does anyone know how to clear out the 'storage' area of the HTC as Opera is now refusing to run (not enough cache space...?) I'm facing the prospect of reloading the firmware (again) with no confidence I won't be back in this situation again in a couple of months

The out-of-memory warning message is activated after the ram memory is lower than a desired value .
The activation pattern and the threshold value are controlled by a set of registry entries under \HKCU\Software\Htc\TaskManager\
Can Play With It By Changing The Threshold Value In Registry.

Thanks for that, however at < 1-2MB of storage area remaining my problem is how do I recover storage capacity? I used ClearTemp and I now have around 7MB free which is much better though not ideal. Surely there must be a way of tweaking the storage / program balance through one of the toolkits?

I had the same prob few month back. The best way is to Hard reset > reinstall programs your REALLY NEED to internal storage except .net C Framework or Smart Protect etc... [install those types of programs to main memory]
The other way is
Buy SkTools if you dont have it
move things ie. programs to internal storage!

I select internal memory every time I install an app which further mystifies me. Now I can't get Opera to run.... it's just a year of break downs for me