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Hi guys,
I have spent much time reading the various forums on the different options on the SAT NAV. I would like to offer comment, and ask assistance at the same time (ooeerr!!)
1) I have been using the ipaq with the Navman GPS 3000 for a long long time, and have used it with almost every piece of software compatable. I live in Devon, England and probably cover about 30,000 miles a year, and would comment as follows for assistance:
Destinator - antequated ****e that couldn't navigate its way from A to B down a straight road with no turnings.
Tom Tom 2 and early 3 - Very pretty, but WARNING - crazy route choices, especially on some of the B roads. Most upsettingly, two of the towns near me are not listed - thus making searches really hard. Also good for adding your own POI's
Smart ST Pro 2 - Very very functional, excellent route choices. No personal POI's and version 2 not 3D.
Every time I have ended up with Tom Tom's software, I have given up and reverted back to Smart ST Pro (bundled with Navman).
So question.
Is the latest version of Tom Tom better at routes?
If not, can a version of smart ST pro be made to work on XDA II
IF so, which version of hardware is best used with it?
Or should I just keep the Compaq in glove box for sat nav, and use XDA for other stuff
Help help help help!!!! ! ! !
cheers guys
JJ

Love the Destinator comments! As for TomTom, V3 with the latest update it is much improved, routing is logical, maps are still TeleAtlas but that's something we'll have to live with. The custom POI's are a hugely popular feature, you can utilise our Safety Camera database and there is Digitools excellent (and free) UKPostCode plug-in so you can navigate with a PostCode as the only info necessary (see www.digitools.co.uk ).
Runs fine on an XDAII with the latest ROM which is especially apt if you use the Traffic feature updating via GPRS, works perfectly. You'll find the performance of the latest GPS Mice and BT GPS receivers much improved over the Navman GPS Jackets, more satallites, quicker TTFF and much better at holding on to weak signals.

Thanks for the feedback griffog,
I will give it a try then.
I will let you know how I get on!
Right, back to my search for Pocket PC Elite!! ......
Cheers
JJ

Thjis is a post for anybody using TOM TOM 3.
Just as a quick experiment to see if they have corrected a minor oversite.
Coud you see if Tavistock and Totnes are listed as towns in the search engine.
We all wish we could forget these places, but unfortuntately, we still have to visit!!!! !!!
Cheers guys in advance

Happy to confirm that both Totnes and Tavistock appear on the address search and are cirrectly indexed as being in Devon.

Thanks griffog,
I suppoose that's good news !!!!!!! ha!
Cheers
JJ

Best car navigation solution for Raphael?

Hi there,
I am looking for a good car navigation solution for Raphael (for travelling in Europe). After reading infos about TT which seems to work at least with the latest releases and Navigon (for which I am not that sure ...), I now read about Tele Atlas McGuider which also seems to be quite good and even less expensive, but it seems to lack TMC or other traffic assistance support which is crucial for me (radio broadcasted or via internet, I do not mind, but it is a must).
I know that there are some other solutions out there. I wonder if you guys have experiences to share, also w/regard to VGA screen resolution and so on.
Thanks!
Eriol

I like the CoPilot Live, works very well and has a nice look and feel.

Co Pilot live is ok, but the traffic part of it is rubbish compared with tomtom. There is no visual display of traffic incidents ahead on the map, only a description that pops up with incident details which you either avoid or ignore. You can set it to automatically reroute, but you dont know whats going on. In my opinion, tomtom is currently the best.
I also found co-pilot slow to scroll around the map, but there again i dont have a fast mem card. Unfortunately there si no trial version available. make sure you get the version specific for the HTC diamond (also compatible with Touch Pro). It can be purchased online (from handango) cheaper than most retail stores.

Thx to both of you! I still would like to compare TomTom with McGuider ...
Eriol

McGuider
Hello,
I am using last version McGuider (7.x I think) and it work fine, but map and icons are too small, I and don't know if it can be repair.
Please if some one use thist program please write down here about how work.
Bye

Garmin XT is the best imo. TT cannot hold a candle to Garmin.

iGO 8
I think iGO 8 is the best solution for Raphael

Navigon
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen

jochenandries said:
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen
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Hi Jochen,
I have a stand alone PNA running Navigon 6.5, and I like it, too. But my experience with Navigon, especially running on my HTC Wizard (MN 6.x), is that the route calculation is rather slow and the whole app is not that fast on a PDA. This might be different on a Raphael due to processor speed, though. We also will use an Xperia X1 here: Is it possible to run MN7 on 800x480 screens?
Eriol

i maybe wrong, but some navigation programs will only run when the supplied memory card is installed. Installing the maps to another card will not work which therefore means you have to swap cards when using the software. Check before you buy!!!

jochenandries said:
I really like Navigon !
Search Youtube for Navigon 7 !!
Greetzzz,
Jochen
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Navigon is nice-- but once you're in the tunnel and lose signal it would say you've reach your destination I also don't like its route calculation-- it's giving me a longer route than tomtom

To my mind ist the default navigation (TomTom 7.451) the best. it uses vga, is fast, new maps
Eriol said:
Hi there,
I am looking for a good car navigation solution for Raphael (for travelling in Europe). After reading infos about TT which seems to work at least with the latest releases and Navigon (for which I am not that sure ...), I now read about Tele Atlas McGuider which also seems to be quite good and even less expensive, but it seems to lack TMC or other traffic assistance support which is crucial for me (radio broadcasted or via internet, I do not mind, but it is a must).
I know that there are some other solutions out there. I wonder if you guys have experiences to share, also w/regard to VGA screen resolution and so on.
Thanks!
Eriol
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ardsar said:
Co Pilot live is ok, but the traffic part of it is rubbish compared with tomtom. There is no visual display of traffic incidents ahead on the map, only a description that pops up with incident details which you either avoid or ignore. You can set it to automatically reroute, but you dont know whats going on. In my opinion, tomtom is currently the best.
I also found co-pilot slow to scroll around the map, but there again i dont have a fast mem card. Unfortunately there si no trial version available. make sure you get the version specific for the HTC diamond (also compatible with Touch Pro). It can be purchased online (from handango) cheaper than most retail stores.
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In Copilot7 there is indeed visual display of incidents ahead on the map, you also can get to incident-specific info in just three taps, reporting delay and other usefull info........
No need for automatic rerouting, you can let Copilot ask you what you want to do, after you have read the incident-info and delay time.....
No need for the diamond-version either, regular version runs great on my Touchpro....
See.......................you we're allmost right.....

Someone tried Navigon Mobile Navigator 7 for PDA on Raphael?
Is it compatible and full working?
Before then I buy, I asked to the support team, but no clear response about it.
Thanks.

NAVIGON Mobile Navigator 7 can work fine on Raphael, with this simple workaround.
You need a GPS port replicator (like Franson GPSgate) to solve the GPS signal stability problem on MN7.
I hope this can help who love this product family.

Internet connection required for GPS???

Hello, I downloaded a GPS program that is supposed track where i've been when its running, no maps or anything just a line. My question is, Why does my phone keep connecting to the net when I start the program and turn on the GPS? Does the net need to be connected to use the GPS?
TIA
Si Cwan

Only if you have aGPS enabled or if your program requires it.

I doubt you could be too much more vague (well okay you could have left out that it is a GPS program) in your inquiry.
I would suggest firt that you ask this question on the site where you got the GPS program and second maybe provide a little of of which of the many GPS programs this is so that if someone has specific knowledge of that app they might actually be able to reply.

I should have just asked if an Internet connection was required to use the GPS Receiver in this (AT&T Fuze) phone...
the program i'm talking about is this one here, NoniGPSPlot

It doesn't look like that program requires an internet connection, so my earlier post still applies.
If you have aGPS turned on, then it will try to connect to the internet first, this is because its assisted-GPS and will contact your provider's servers to help get a GPS fix.
If you have aGPS turned off, then no, you don't need the internet.
Check Start > Settings > System > AGPS Settings.

Just to use the GPS Receiver no you don't need internet.
For navigation with maps you have 2 options:
1) Internet based such as google maps & Live Search, these require a constant internet connection.
2) Device based such as TomTom, Garmin, iGO etc, these store the maps locally on your storage card so no internet connection is required.
The program you linked to doesn't appear to even use maps and works by simply showing your position in relation to saved positions allowing you to navigate (like a compass) in their general direction. This would be useful for maritime navigation, flight navigation and GeoCaching but certianly not all that useful in your car as a travel aide.

Thanks to both of you!
Yea, I planned on using it to map out some four wheeler paths my friends have, i dont need a map for that, at least not how i want to use it for.
which brings me to my next question (which i might have to start a new thread)
which GPS Nav software is best on the fuze? i've heard of the 3 you posted, but I thought that iGo had a problem with WM6.1

Now your next question is very subjective, it depends on what your looking for.
I hated Garmin, really jumpy and resource heavy. The lag was laughable.
TomTom was nice, maps were good turn my turn was nice. The voice prompts were usable. Where TT excelled was the UI, just simple and clean. Used both v6 & v7.
iGO8 (later builds) work fine on WM6.1 (used it both on my Kaiser & Fuze). Didn't really like the UI but in the end it was what I used until I dumped the Fuze. Why did I stick with iG0? The TTS (text To Speech) Turn by Turn voice prompts. Instead of "Turn Right in 400 yeards" (TomTom) it said "Prepare to turn left in 1/2 mile on IL 31 Main Street"! The maps were slightly more up to date also.

There's a number of threads on this in the software section here.
iGo works fine with WM6.1. Garmin is also nice but doesn't have TTS. TomTom is good also.
TomTom doesn't have my subdivision in their maps as well as a few other places I go, so that's why I don't use it.

kyphur said:
Now your next question is very subjective, it depends on what your looking for.
I hated Garmin, really jumpy and resource heavy. The lag was laughable.
TomTom was nice, maps were good turn my turn was nice. The voice prompts were usable. Where TT excelled was the UI, just simple and clean. Used both v6 & v7.
iGO8 (later builds) work fine on WM6.1 (used it both on my Kaiser & Fuze). Didn't really like the UI but in the end it was what I used until I dumped the Fuze. Why did I stick with iG0? The TTS (text To Speech) Turn by Turn voice prompts. Instead of "Turn Right in 400 yeards" (TomTom) it said "Prepare to turn left in 1/2 mile on IL 31 Main Street"! The maps were slightly more up to date also.
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I like the Garmin interface, but I wish the maps flowed like iGo and TomTom instead of updating once a second.
The only reason I keep Garmin on my card is because it uses better routes than iGo sometimes. Even though I have the newest Navteq maps for both and have tried all routing settings, Garmin always gave me the most logical routes while iGo would give me longer ones.

sicwan said:
Thanks to both of you!
Yea, I planned on using it to map out some four wheeler paths my friends have, i dont need a map for that, at least not how i want to use it for.
which brings me to my next question (which i might have to start a new thread)
which GPS Nav software is best on the fuze? i've heard of the 3 you posted, but I thought that iGo had a problem with WM6.1
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Referring to your 4x4 stuff (not the navigation), you might want to check out sportsdo.net. They have a pretty good system for off-road adventures (I use it for mountain biking and hiking). There are no maps, but you can upload your tracks to there portals, and it will show you where you've been on a google-map sort of display. It also tells you elevation gains and losses and a bunch of other things (internet connections aren't needed while using sportsdo, but you can upload you're stuff remotely if you have one).

[Q] HTC Locations premium navigation query

I know google maps has navigation. but i need offline maps. cant always guarantee a connection where i go.
I was wondering has anyone tried the onboard locations maps? particularly has anyone got the premium features? live traffic and wot not.
I have been using copilot 8 on my hd2 and its pretty rubbish. was hoping for more from locations, i read somewhere that deep inside it has a tom tom connection.

Have a look here :
sygic
http://www.sygic.com/en
or here
Navigon
http://www.navigon.com/portal/it/produkte/navigationssoftware/mobile_navigator_android.html
or here
IgoMyWay
http://www.igomyway.com/android/en/
or here
NDrive
http://www.ndrive.com/en/platforms/android
Hope its help dude.

I like the look of that sygic, but have to admit am curious about locations. I wonder how deeply integrated it is, and if the traffic system is any good.
Does anyone know if the premium traffic is connected to the tomtom HD traffic system? According to the spiel from tomtom it tracks user traffic flow in real time and adjusting routes accordingly.

freedirk said:
I like the look of that sygic, but have to admit am curious about locations. I wonder how deeply integrated it is, and if the traffic system is any good.
Does anyone know if the premium traffic is connected to the tomtom HD traffic system? According to the spiel from tomtom it tracks user traffic flow in real time and adjusting routes accordingly.
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I can't comment much on this but one thing I can say is that a nice bit of integration according to the Sense tour on the HTC website is integrating the call screen with the Nav system so that calls don't interrupt your gps functionality while driving.

I saw that and liked it. Just wondered if anyone had tried it indepth.

I try nearly all on my WM6.5 but as far as i know tomtom isn't for android platform. for others gps soft, Sygic and Ndrive are quite nice, but by far I prefer IGO and if u have RDS u got in real time all informations ...... etc etc.
Personnally I havent yet the HTC sensation, waiting to be totally bootloaders unlock.
Its up to U, to see whats your real need and Google is your friends to have all informations needed.

Hmm... but which Navis are really working for the Sensation Display?
As far as I've ready, just the Copilot and anotherone, not the iGo?

freedirk said:
I know google maps has navigation. but i need offline maps. cant always guarantee a connection where i go.
I was wondering has anyone tried the onboard locations maps? particularly has anyone got the premium features? live traffic and wot not.
I have been using copilot 8 on my hd2 and its pretty rubbish. was hoping for more from locations, i read somewhere that deep inside it has a tom tom connection.
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Can't you pay for Locations on a monthly basis? For a pretty small fee you can try it out for a month and see if it suits your needs. That's what I plan to do once I get my hands on the phone.

I read that too. Anyone using any others with any measure of success?

last sygic version does not (yet) work on sensation. It automatically closes. Hoping for a fix soon.

One of the PC Mags (UK), PC Pro from memory, has just done a sat nav comparison. For a separate system go for TomTom (their conclusion) but for a phone-based one go for CoPilot Live 8.
They're also about to release CoPilot Live 9 and, from the brief review I've seen it fixes a lot of the shortcomings of 8.
Dave - not used either, just going from what I've read before any flames start ...

dvhttn said:
One of the PC Mags (UK), PC Pro from memory, has just done a sat nav comparison. For a separate system go for TomTom (their conclusion) but for a phone-based one go for CoPilot Live 8.
They're also about to release CoPilot Live 9 and, from the brief review I've seen it fixes a lot of the shortcomings of 8.
Dave - not used either, just going from what I've read before any flames start ...
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No flaming, just reporting my experience. Just used CoPilot 8 on a recent trip, and the map was bad. Directed me to turn onto a bridge when there was no road to do this. I've found other map errors in my local area for road segments that have been in place for years. Of course, any GPS can have map errors, but relying on updates a couple of times a year at most, rather than online, increases the likelihood. Hopefully if and when Google implements maps stored on the phone updates will be available anytime.

yeah, but this here is about the sensation...
I've had alot of different navigations on my phones and pocket pcs. but right now, it seems just the copilot is working well on the sensation (which btw, I hate, its too bubble-gummy for me, looks like driving through disney world). the iGo and Navigon don't work to my knowledge for example (so far, I found iGo the best, Tomtom and Navigon tied).
but the OP just wants to know: who uses the built-in Nav with premium service, and how good is it.

Mapfactor Pocket Navigator

Hi there
Has someone managed to get Pocket Navigator with openstreetmaps working on the HD2?
On my HD2 it installs fine but it doesn't recognize the GPS receiver...
For reference:
http://navigatorfree.mapfactor.com/en/
http://www.openstreetmap.org/
Sorry if it has been asked before, but I didn't find anything...

i configured it with "menu" "gps" to port 4 with baudrate 4800 and it works.
But address search is very poor in the free version of navigator software so I decided to switch to an other nav software (mobile navigator in my case), cause map factor commercial version is more expensive.

Thankyou
thunder141 said:
i configured it with "menu" "gps" to port 4 with baudrate 4800 and it works.
But address search is very poor in the free version of navigator software so I decided to switch to an other nav software (mobile navigator in my case), cause map factor commercial version is more expensive.
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Thanks. That helped... I tried some other speeds but not 4800 :-(
Now it works, but as you said it is not really intuitive...

Next week the Developers of Mapfactor Pocket Navigator Free want to publish their first beta of an android-version. May be, that this fact makes You easier to change Your HD2 from WM6.5 to Android4.0.3