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Problems with SD Card

Hi,
I have the following problem with my Qtek 9090 and my 1GB SD-Card:
I installed all applications on the storage card, as well as many documents and files.
What happens is that I lost data on the SD-Card on 3-4 occasions. The result is that some applications are obviously not available anymore.
Plus, many data files (PDF, RM, etc.) are corrupt.
I tried to fill the card on my laptop with big ZIP-Files and checked them afterwards (CRC-Check will proove file-errors), but everything went OK.
This leaves me with 3 possibilities:
- the card is defect and looses data randomly - how could I prove that to the supplier?
- I am running faulty programs on my Qtek (i.e. freeware emulators) - while trying dosbox for PocketPC for the first time, my Qtek freezed and I did a reset. After that the SD-Card was empty!!!
- The Qtek 9090 has some weird problem accessing these cards, resulting in data loss.
What do you think? Can anyone give me some good hints?
Thanks,
vma

try write lock the card?

Then some applications would not run anymore, I guess.
Also, I want to use a "My Documents" folder on the card, to make use of all the space.
It would be nice to hear from you guy's if you a) never had similar problems or b) did expirience the occasional data loss/corruption on the card.
Thanks,
vma

I have an XDA1 with a 256Mb SD card and I've randomly lost all my data twice now.
I have write-protected the card to (hopefully) stop it happening again, but if anyone knows why it's happening I'd be very grateful to hear from them.

On Friday my 256Mb card lost everything (together with all progs and applications on the Qtek 9090). It was something to do with Spb Pocket Plus but haven't really got to the cause.

I had a similar problem on my magician until I looked up the data system. By default my SD-Card was formated in Fat 16. After I formated it in Fat 32 the problems were solved. Hope I could help.

I lost all of my data on 512 MB Lexar storage card today. Only mail attachments and "ingnore my docs" are there. It really pisses me off...
I don't have any idea why this happened - it would be nice to know the reason. A couple of days ago I restored usin Sprite, that shouldn't clear storage card, should it?
Any ideas?

MicroSD HC: Did your files disappear?

It happened to me 3 times in 3 days. The entire contents disappeared with no reason. I have never experienced this issue, but it is getting me out of my nerves.
My SD card is a Sandisk 8 GB SDHC.
I have scanned the card using a card reader and it seems that all the files are there, but they're unlinked. The space is used, but the files are not accesible, so when I go to Storage Card, I find it empty.
It's TOTALLY annoying. Please, give your experience if you have this problem.
Have you lost all your MicroSD card contents and you don't know why?

My Sandisk 8gb card came with a USB2 card reader that is great speed-wise; but twice I lost all the data when using it. I didn't realize it might be related at the time, but then I misplaced the reader and switched to using the adapter kind -- the SD sized thing that you slip the microSD card into (my laptop has a SD card slot). It's been a few months now, and with constant switching of the card between my Touch, Touch Cruise and laptop, I've not lost the data since.
While I can't say for sure it's related, it hasn't happened since I stopped using the USB adapter that shipped with the card.

I think it's not related to the use of the adapter since the first time I lost my files I was on a route using Tomtom 7. In my way back, I had to go without the navigator :S No maps, and the videos and pictures that I took, totally lost.
Fortunately I have an application that is pure gold to recover every disaster that could happen (recovers partitions even after formatting the disk, and files with their original names). It's not pleasant for me to use this application ("[email protected] Partition Recovery Enterprise"), but this is becoming too usual...
By the way I'm using udK's WM6.1 ROM R6, even though I don't think it's related to it.
My MicroSD is formatted in FAT32 with 32KB clusters.
Any ideas about how to fix this problem?
The last time I lost the contents I was about to sync music with WMP (with the USB connected).

Good luck... I'm using the ROM that shipped with the device. Guess the only way to know if it's related to a cooked-ROM is to re-install the official ROM and see how things go.

I'm using HTC original ROM and 8Gb Sandisk card with no problem for more than 3 months. My fingers are crossed

I'm using HTC original ROM and 8Gb Sandisk card with some issues (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407046&highlight=bodisson), but no files are missing.

Sometimes I get extra file names with really weird characters. Usually, if I reinsert the card, these go away and I can access normally the card.
(SanDisk 4GB SDHC)
George

6ITdtvFQqY said:
Sometimes I get extra file names with really weird characters. Usually, if I reinsert the card, these go away and I can access normally the card.
(SanDisk 4GB SDHC)
George
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same here...

SuperJMN said:
It happened to me 3 times in 3 days. The entire contents disappeared with no reason. I have never experienced this issue, but it is getting me out of my nerves.
My SD card is a Sandisk 8 GB SDHC.
I have scanned the card using a card reader and it seems that all the files are there, but they're unlinked. The space is used, but the files are not accesible, so when I go to Storage Card, I find it empty.
It's TOTALLY annoying. Please, give your experience if you have this problem.
Have you lost all your MicroSD card contents and you don't know why?
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that happened to me twice..my problem was solved by installing an sd enhancement cab file. almost everything appeared back in my sd.
i have an HTC touch cruise. here is a link for the cab file..try it if you want, maybe you ll solve your problem
http://www.sendspace.com/file/kr98xz

did you use something like sktools for change pathes of temp/cookes files of I.E or so on?
If yes it could following happend:
You change the destination path for some application like InternetExplorers Temp and Cookies pathes to point to Storage Card.
After this you removed the card on any time.
The device cannot find the path to the Storage Card and creates a folder "Storage Card" on the root of the internal device memory.
If you insert a card again, it show you onliy the content of the new folder.
Regards
Daydoo

Dudes,
I'm bought a sandisk 8gb micro SDHC about a month ago.
Filled it almost to the brim with music and podcasts.
I regularly uses great programs like S2P and BeyondPod for music and podcasts to listen with my Bluetooth A2DP headset.
Had no problem until recently where the entire card is not readable anymore
Symptoms:
1) the phone started not to recognise the SDHC, where it could not detect any inserted card
2) the failures on the SDHC gave me corrupted files. I was able to repaired these by using the Windows XP chkdsk and fix error command
3) by the 3rd time i did this, the card was not readable at all
Suspects:
1) every time polaris hang, i would press the reset button. I suspect tat this would corrupt some files (possibly even the entire SDHC ??)
2) every time polaris hang, i think the phone was running more than 1 app at the same time. In my case, it was probably S2U2 and S2P or BeyondPod, together with BT A2DP.
Don't think it was caused by these great apps, but rather the way Polaris or WindowsPPC handles multi tasking
Will be returning the 8gb SDHC soon for a replacement.
Any ideas on how to prevent this from happening again ?
(other than not running multiple apps at the same time)
Thx
BTW, i'm running windows 6.0, the original HTC polaris rom

Also have a Scandisk 8gb card in my Polaris...
Problems im suffering is that now and then the storage card looses connection.... I can not see it on my mobile and also its not showing up using ActiveSync.
It happens really often and mostly when im using software that depends on it like IGO. The application crashes because it can not access the files needed.
Ive read somewhere that this only happens with scandisk cards so im considering buying a kingston card.. can anyone verify this??

Well the best thing is to make sure, you safely remove your hardware before removing the sd card from the pc or otherwise change the device settings of the memory card to "optimize for quick removal" in the device manager

I recently switched from a non-sdhc card (1 GB) to a SDHC 4GB kingston.
weirdest of all things is that i lose certain applications, but not all!
For instance i have TomTOm installed. Stopped functioning and lost the icon. But SK Tools still works. :S
I'm not very happy with this, since i use my phone ALOT with TomTom and all the other apps i installed on it. Especially at work.
Gonna try the artemis sd fix... Hope it works.

Could it be that you'd made a rom-upgrade with the sd-card in the phone? I had the same problem - lost files on sd-card - with the original 1GB-Card and a new 4-GB-SDHC. I think (and hope) that leaving the card while upgrading has reasoned this issue. After reformating the card in the pda the problem has gone for me . Thank you for your answers...
Steffen

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Could it be that you'd made a rom-upgrade with the sd-card in the phone? I had the same problem - lost files on sd-card - with the original 1GB-Card and a new 4-GB-SDHC. I think (and hope) that leaving the card while upgrading has reasoned this issue. After reformating the card in the pda the problem has gone for me . Thank you for your answers...
Steffen
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Yes, i actually did leave the card while upgrading. But i didn't lose any data until a few days AFTER the upgrade. And i frequently soft-reset the device.
I solved my problem (i think) by deleting 'program files' on the storage card and making a new 'program files' folder. It works for a few day now. (keeps fingers crossed)

I did a ROM upgrade (udK Diamond R7) without the microSDHC card, and yesterday night I lost all my files for the nth time.
The space remains used. I was listening to a podcast (that was stored into the card), and suddenly, when I ran the File Explorer to do something, all the files were missing. The podcast played correctly, but when I tried to re-open it, the file could not be found.
I'm feed up with this problem. It is like having no card at all...
Please, we need somebody to fix it. Is it happening to other brands of only Sandisk?
Thanks.

I simply turned my phone off. Then back on again and storage card had turned into storage card 2. Everything I had on the card was lost. So I carried on using the card and now its storage card 3 and the data from when it was called card 2 is now lost.
copilot often asks me to insert map data.
Ive found that if I remove the card and close all programs before I turn the phone off I dont lose data.
O2 told me to send it in for replacement. That was months ago. Not had chance yet. Might be too late!?

udk's r7 must be faulty, i lost my destinator files 2 times and dawg i didnt took a backup for quite some time. no favorites for me now :<

sedde said:
udk's r7 must be faulty, i lost my destinator files 2 times and dawg i didnt took a backup for quite some time. no favorites for me now :<
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Do you mean that the problem might be the cooked ROM? Maybe we can isolate the problem with this approach.

My storage card crashes please help!

Hello everyone i'm hopping someone can help me here.
when i'm downloading large files from internet (above 50 megs) suddenly my storage card crashes, there's no notification when crashes and stops working I no longer have access to the SD card,
this is sooo annoying because I have to start all over the download and the only way the card will work again is turning off then on the pda I have wm5 and more than 400 megs of free storage
does anyone have this same problem? how can I solve this? how to prevent the storage card from crashing?
again I have wm5 more than 400mb free storage and my device is ipaq hw6945 please help somebuddy

You probably need to reformat the card. I've had that issue (and it lead to major problems). I'd suggest a few things. First, download to main memory if you can (then copy to your card). Second, get a disk scanner like Wizcode Scandisk and scan your disk for errors. I was doing a bunch of things that were screwing up my card for months on end. Scandisk recovers file fragments, and I was able to figure out the sources of my corruption by looking at them. The main culprits: 1 Having my PIE cache on the card 2 Having the default download location on the card 3 Having the camera path on the card 4 Putting Fingerkeyboard on the card (super dumb). My card hasn't had an epic failure in over 2 months, but I scan it every day, and find an error about once a week. Scandisk has been worth every cent I paid for it.

thanks Ted for helping, it seems to be working nice so far, only i wish i had a cracked version but couldn't find one not even with google

Raphael kills SD-Cards??

Hello everyone,
i own a Raphael since January and in this time it allready killed 2 SD-Cards.
The first one about 4 months ago.
Suddenly in the middle of usage the Raphael froze and i could not get it started again. even after a hardreset it was stuck in the bootscreen.
after a lot of trying and finally removing the sd card it bootet again without a problem.
the card was not readable anymore in any of my devices or windows boxes.
i thougth myself. well can happen even when a card is only half a year old got a new 8GB card and forgot about the incident.
yesterday while listening to some podcast suddenly the sound died. taking out the phone i found out it did not reacted to any power button presses or anything the screen stayed black.
after a softreset the phone worked again but took about 5 minutes to get in a usable state and the programms installed on the sd card where not aviable anymore.
taking a closer look i found that the card was not displayed in file explorer anymore.
gave it a try with my mp3 player. same result no card was found.
today in the morning i gave it a try on the pc with an sd-adabter. but also no result, wondows does not even recocnizes any device being plugged in. tryed a few data recover tools but non of them found the card.
someone has similiar experiances or any tips how i could get my data back from the card?
i guess the phone has to be send back for maintainance, but i doubt that they will find anything, if they accept it at all.

I have changed 4 sd cards because of similar problems. But the problem is most likely because of the fragility of high capacity microSDs, I wouldn't blame Raphael. Try other manufacturers (and try to find the ones that are not just rebranded)

I've had many issues with sd card corruption, but have solved some of the issues. Here's my advice (fwiw):
1. Get a card scanner, and regularly scan your catd. I do it everyday (takes 5 min). I use Wizcode Scandisk. It fixes errors and dumps out files that can be opened in notepad. It's worth looking at them, as it helped me find the multiple sources of corruption that I had.
2. Don't put your PIE cache on the card.
3. Change all 'save' paths (esp. the camera) to main memory.
4. Store any programs you use a lot on main memory.
5. Do NOT have any programs that run constantly on the sd card.
6. Do NOT put Fingerkeyboard on the sd card (major problem for me).
Basically, my advice is to use sd cards for storage. The Raphael has a lot of memory-use it for programs. I haven't had to format my card in about 4 months. I was doing it every couple of weeks for a while.

well basically i was using my sd card as a storage place for movies and podcast + podcastplayer prog.
and was using the player more or less the whole day.
i used the same card (and the other one before) also in my mp3 player when the raphael or the bt headset run out of power and there is no power outlet aviable to recharge. and twice the card failed in the rapahel.
when i got a new card, i also found that the card is working 100% on pc and mp3 player, but the raphael still can not see any sd card.
i really blame the phone and also assume that it now has a defective reader.
have to give it back to repairs as soon i have flashed the original firmware and make my way back to the store

You should scan the disk to find out the error sources. It may be something simple that causing them. Also, if your phone freezes when listening to music, you may want to either wait it out, or remove the card before soft resetting. You should do some searches on card corruption. There are lots of threads here that can be helpful.

many Sdcard and usbStick manufacturers got lowlevel format tools you can download and get cards not otherwise working in cardreaders on pc back to life

would love to get those cards working again. but i also would love to get the data back that was on them.
but the problem is the cards do not even appear on the pc, or any other device i have that can read/write them (usb card reader, digi cam, mp3 player)
its just as if nothing is ever inserted in the reader.

the low level format tools don't rely on windows driver model to detect cards

Flash Format (cnetx) has always been able to re-format my card, even when my pc couldn't recognize it and neither could my fuze. It has a free trial that works fine.

I haven't experienced any of these issues myself. But I'm sure I will now that I said that....

i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.

patlabor said:
i gave that flash format a try, but it even failed to install. was one of those weird .exe installers. on the pc side it told me install was sucessfull, but on the ppc side was just a promt "installation failed".
a cab install would be nice, but without a working cardreader in the phone i guess would also not be of much help. i guess cuz of that that prog will not help me much. the reader in the phone is broken. cant read any cards, even brand new unused ones that are fine everywhere else just dont show up on the phone.
as for other "low level format tools" my search was quite unsecessful. i was looking at the sandisk and the transcend page (the suppliers of my 3 cards) but could not find anything.
google just found more request for this kind of program but not really somewhere where i could get it.
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Check C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync\CNETX-you'll find the cab in there. There will be several-you want the PPC-Arm one. It should install fine.

Card Freeze
Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.

webfrm said:
Yeah I had the same thing happen. Raphael would not boot unless I removed the card and as soon as I placed the card back into the sd slot it would lock up. Unlike you I was able to get on of my PCs (either the XP Pro or the Vista Pro) to recognize it but all I could do was format it.
OK I like the idea of moving all the data to the main however I'm an old Windows CE guy (yeah I had a Jornado) and the memory used to be shared between program and storage. The device would allocate from the other when more was needed. If I place all the stuff I want into the Raphael main memory won't that lower the amount of RAM I have for running programs or vice versa? I really don't know if the memory is fluid since all I get when I look into the memory is one listing total storage and one total program, there is no slider bar like there used to be in windows ce.
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The storage memory on the device is flash, not ram, so you don't lose program memory changing the save paths to main memory (if that's what you meant by moving data to main memory).
I never had any issues with my storage cards (sd and cf) on my 2003 device. I don't think it was the device, but rather the cards. The big, 16 gb cards just seem to be less hardy than a 1-2 gb card. I had all my apps on the storage card (including stuff like magic button), and never had a problem. But, jeez, the 16 g microsd is sensitive as hell. It gets minor bits of corruption at least once a week. I scan it everyday to avoid it crashing, which has helped, because I've gone 4 months without formatting it. One thing that I've found screws it up royally is doing a lot of file/directory operations over active sync on a pc. I don't know why, but cutting and pasting files from one folder to another in the sd card frequently results in lost clusters. Renaming folders is also a bad idea.

OK Flash
Well I guess I didn't explain it correctly. According to HTC the RAM is 288MB with a ROM of 512MB. So I'm really confused since according to the start>settings>system>memory the total for my storage and my program = 549MB which is of course more than 288 and 512. So when I load applications into my device and get a choice of main or storage card when it was a large file (some apps I use were 14 megs or more) I would choose the storage card.
My old experience with Windows CE was whatever memory was on the device was shared with both the program and storage, so I would put as much as possible on my storage card. However in windows 6.1 or higher it lists two separate columns for Program and Storage with: Total, In Use, and Free. So when I install apps I presumed they went into the storage area. Am I mistaken? I figured Program on the device meant how much is currently in use. Kinda like opening multiple windows on a PC. I notice it's low when at once I have 4 applications open on my windows mobile device so that's what I thought Program memory was.
Therefore does installing to the Main, when given a choice during program installation. where does it get installed ROM, RAM? Why is my total memory higher than RAM or the ROM
Any insight would help me decide the best location for my program installation to not corrupt the data, or have the flash card screw me up either.

288 MB is the total amount of system ram. A large amount is not user-accessible, it's used by the kernel/OS/Page-pool, so you don't see it reported. It's still there, though. The rom memory is 512 MB, but the actual memory in rom is subtracted by the storage memory so you see the amount of user-available memory. With 2003 devices, if the battery ran down, you lost all of your data, because the storage memory was in RAM (except perhaps for a little flash disk space). But with a fuze, you can pull the battery out, and not lose your data.

Totally confused
OK your right about the 2003 devices which is why I placed most of my stuff on a storage card. However why is my total reported memory 549MB more than the 512 ROM? Also when I install stuff to the device where does it get stored, the 512 ROM? Are you saying that the 200mb of Program being shown is 288 RAM minus the 88 being used to run the OS?
So are you saying its safe to install all my apps onto the device and I won't lose anything if the battery runs out?

Yeah, I've been saying that for about 3 weeks, lol! They got rid of the volatile storage memory with winmo 5; we're onto 6.5 now, and it's a thing of the distant past. I you don't believe me, pull out your battery (there's no backup battery on the device) and see if it causes a hard reset.

This is not an uncommon problem with digital cameras, as well. It's complicated, but the bottom line is this: whenever you buy an SD/micro SDHC/etc. card, you should do a full format of it on your COMPUTER, then put it in your device.

[Q] Help with Camera App and Sd Card problem, please!

Hi,
I recently bought my first smartphone: an NGM Endurance running on 4.4.2 (KitKat) with 1GB ram and 8GB storage.
Without an SD card fitted, the Camera App takes, stores, and replays Full HD videos @ 30fps with no problem at all.
When I fitted a Class 10, "SanDisk Extreme PLUS 32 GB microSDHC Memory Card" (from Amazon) the following problem appeared:
Most of the time when I switch the phone on, or wake it from sleep, and then try to take a video I usually get a, "Low Memory, Auto Change Quality" message.
The video is about half its normal size (approx 20MB for 20 secs), is stored on the SD card (but takes 40+ secs to do so!), and plays back OK.
Subsequent videos taken immediately after are about 40MB and no warning message appears (they also take only a second or two to save).
I did a factory reset via the Settings menu and it's made no difference except I don't always get the, "Low Memory..." message now.
The problem isn't entirely consistent because I think that on rare occasions a first 20 sec video has gone OK only for the problem to appear in the next.
I have a PhD in Breaking Things and would welcome any help or advice (rather than my blundering around and poking things with little idea of what I'm doing).
John Latter

I tried another 32GB card with the same results.
I then tried two 2GB cards from voice recorders and they work OK!
A SD card tester app gave read and write speeds for the 2GB cards as approximately 10 Mb/s for both read and write.
I've just run the app on one of the 32GB cards and the read/write speeds are 7.42/1.99 Mb/s (!)
Am totally baffled and haven't a clue in which direction to look for a solution - help, please!
John Latter

John Latter said:
I tried another 32GB card with the same results.
I then tried two 2GB cards from voice recorders and they work OK!
A SD card tester app gave read and write speeds for the 2GB cards as approximately 10 Mb/s for both read and write.
I've just run the app on one of the 32GB cards and the read/write speeds are 7.42/1.99 Mb/s (!)
Am totally baffled and haven't a clue in which direction to look for a solution - help, please!
John Latter
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Your device may not be recognizing the new SD cards and saving the images to the internal storage (this phone has very little internal storage) I would make sure to back up anything on the SD card and reformat it via pc.

shel692 said:
Your device may not be recognizing the new SD cards and saving the images to the internal storage (this phone has very little internal storage) I would make sure to back up anything on the SD card and reformat it via pc.
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Thank you for your reply, shel692
The phone appears to recognize all the sd cards I've tried because:
a) There are no error messages
and
b) Once installed, all photos and videos are saved to the sd card instead of phone memory
Unfortunately, my camera app doesn't allow me to choose where the photos/videos are stored else I'ld save them to phone and transfer over if necessary.
Although a relatively unknown model, quite a number of NGM Endurance's have been sold in the UK (and throughout Europe - the manufacturer is Italian) but no-one else has reported this problem (yet!)
John Latter