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I have seen many messages go by discussing what is the best software for instant messaging. Up until recently, I had been using Agile Messenger. It was quite unstable when I first started using it a couple of years ago, but it is much better now. There is a cost now, which I think is high, but I would be willing to pay. Before buying into Agile though, I felt I should review my other options, and I have run into problems with each. Can anyone either help me get past these problems, or perhaps suggest another solution? Here are the programs I have tried and the problems I have experienced.
Agile Messenger - I have become very happy with the software, but I am not fond of subscriptions. I would much prefer to be able to buy the software outright. I may be able to get over that, but I discovered something else. I like to try the different ROM's that show up on this board and I have noticed that my customer ID in Agile changes with the different ROM's. Does this mean I need to buy a new license each time I change my ROM? I have written email to Agile about this and a couple of other questions and I have never heard back. I am concerned about the lack of support. There are also security questions that have been presented elsewhere on this board about having a middleman handle your connection to the various chat services since the middleman needs to know the username and password to connect.
IM+ - I tried this program, and I like the fact that I can purchase it and be done. I also like that it seems to connect directly to the chat services, thus getting rid of the middleman problem mentioned above. I have been experiencing a problem though where I appear to be online, both from my side, and from the side of my buddies, but messages do not go through. I have also experienced situations where I have successfully sent messages to friends, they replied, but I did not receive the replies. I find this type of unreliability to be intolerable, especially since you can not tell if it is happening. As far as you know, you are sending messages but your friends are not responding when they very well might be. I have tried reinstalling after a hard reset with the same problem.
IMOV - From what I can tell, this is just a XMPP (Jabber, Google..) client. It relies on relays on the Internet to access any other chat system such as AOL, or Yahoo. This introduces the problem with the middleman above, but further, these relays are practically anonymous. At least with Agile, I have some idea (though not a perfect one) who I am entrusting my credentials to. I do not have that with the relays used by XMPP. I guess I could research the available relays and find one I trust, but I am not looking to do that right now.
Verichat - I have not tried this in a while. It is another subscription based system and is a middleman. I guess my thought is that if I am going to pay an ongoing fee AND have a middleman, I would rather have Agile.
Okay, this has gotten to be a long post, but I think it presents my current position. I communicate with users of AOL, Yahoo, Google, and MSN. I can not get all of them to see reason and just all change to IRC or XMPP :-D
I am running this on a Universal (i-Mate Jasjar) with Windows Mobile 5. I am posting in general because I am sure this is a topic that affects many of the XDA phones.
Thanks for any input you can provide.
As far as IRC is concerned, don't forget to check out my IRC-related roundups - I've cross-posted some of the latest ones here in the General forum too.
I have just discovered those. I have given thought to using IRC, but I do not know if I need yet another transport to become dependant on. If I had it all to do over again, I would select IRC and / or XMPP for how open they are and ignore anyone who refused to do the same. (In a perfect world.. )
Octro: Gtalk
There is also Octro which is a Google Chat program that can do chat and VOIP even over a 1x connection (uses the jabber connection).
http://www.octro.com/
It's only for Google right now but the developers have noted that they will add AIM, Y!, MSN, etc later on (it's still in beta).
The VOIP part is really neat. It's not perfect but it is much less resource intensive than Skype and feels more "phone like" when you get an incoming call.
We have an ongoing thread where here at ppcgeeks.com where the developer pops in (they're very good at fixing bugs, adding features, etc.)
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/octro-new-im-client-w-voip-support-1-05-on-1-3-07-t1459.html#12485
The software is free right now but there will be a cost later. For me, this software has the most potential out of all the other programs if only b/c it's being developed now and you the user can help make it better...
Octro looks good..
I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?
Octro adds AIM, ICQ and MSN
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I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?
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Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.
yea im also looking into some other options since i upgraded my rom. they discontinued verichat so unless you have your old license (if you bought it) its not going to work. im using octro now and it seems to be working fine. i tried installing agile but theyre files are all messed up. any more suggestions?
Not Quite sure how aim is incorporated.
How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.
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How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.
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Menu/Option/Accounts/Legacy Accounts
GoogleTalk must be online
or RTFM
Welcome to this forum
There is a new one that does them all (AIM, MSN, GTalk, Yahoo, ICQ, and Jabber) that is currently free and Java based. I quit using IM+ (which I paid for) and am using it exclusively. Currently the beta testing is closed while I think they upgrade their servers, but should open up again shortly I think).
It is supposed to be for the crackberries, but works great on my Dash and K-Jam:
http://www.bbhub.com/2007/01/25/jivetalk-im-beta-available-to-try/
http://blackberryforums.pinstack.com/17577-jivetalk_beta_multi_client_im_application.html
-Mc
malatesta said:
Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.
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Thanks for this. Haven't heard of them yet. Ima give it a try now. If it's works great and isn't subsciption based like Agile, I'm down...
anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA
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anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA
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You mean Octro? It's working great under WM6 - have been testing it.
I'll publish a big roundup of all these apps in the next 1-2 days - stay tuned
hey anyone know of one that will use http proxy?
See http://forum.xda-developers.com:80/showthread.php?t=294938 for a preview of the article (sorry, it has a typo: Ocrp vs Octro. I'll fix this in the final version.)
I've been using Octro 1.09 on my 8525 on t-mobile. I prefer it to Agile. The voice function works but not very well. Excessive delay and feedback requires use of a headset. I can tether to my laptop and use GTalk and the voice is flawless. I'm hoping they work on the voice feature more. Other than issues with voice Octro is excellent.
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RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07
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RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07
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Then, surely a new version comes really soon.
so nothing that works via http (8080) proxy?
Hi. I'm running a T-Mobile Dash with Windows Mobile 6, and I'm looking for a free IM client that can connect to AIM, at least. I know Windows Live gives me Pocket MSNIM, but only a tiny minority of my friends use that. The on-board Oz Instant Messenger refuses to work with AT&T, and I just get error messages, so I'm kind of at a stand-still right now.
The other thing I'm looking for is a lower priority, I'm trying to find an SSH client for my SmartPhone too. PocketPuTTY, I've heard of, but I can't seem to find it. Again, I'm cheap, so I'm hoping for something free.
There's one catch to all this: I'm running a Mac, so EXE installers are no-go. CABs and SFX (Self-Extracting ZIPs) are usable, but anything more complex isn't going to work.
Thanks for all the help!
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Hi. I'm running a T-Mobile Dash with Windows Mobile 6, and I'm looking for a free IM client that can connect to AIM, at least. I know Windows Live gives me Pocket MSNIM, but only a tiny minority of my friends use that. The on-board Oz Instant Messenger refuses to work with AT&T, and I just get error messages, so I'm kind of at a stand-still right now.
The other thing I'm looking for is a lower priority, I'm trying to find an SSH client for my SmartPhone too. PocketPuTTY, I've heard of, but I can't seem to find it. Again, I'm cheap, so I'm hoping for something free.
There's one catch to all this: I'm running a Mac, so EXE installers are no-go. CABs and SFX (Self-Extracting ZIPs) are usable, but anything more complex isn't going to work.
Thanks for all the help!
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Welcome to XDA-Dev
Rule of thumb: follow my articles - I've published full Bibles and roundups on almost all aspects of handheld computing. Your question is answered in the Smartphone General forum, at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323654
Let me know if you need help in extracing the CAB file of any EXE installers - I'll upload it for you.
Oohh, useful!
Well, thank you. Your article was thorough, and (in the end) informative. I was aware of Mundu, IM+ and Imov messengers, and I was hoping someone had an alternative to them that was free. Your article eventually lead me to the Basic version of Imov, but the problem is that it's one of those set-up EXEs that I can't seem to crack. I've managed to find a download of Imov Basic 1.22, and I'd be willing to provide it for you.
Thank you for the offer, and all the help.
is there any cracked verson available for mundu
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is there any cracked verson available for mundu
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i downloaded the trial from the verizon get apps feature on my i760 and it gave me the full version i think. registration says Valid till forever. probably easier to just say registered but it really does say till forever LOL
IM App
Have you tried Palringo yet?
Fring is a free IM app too(Just released a new version today that supports AIM). Palringo is pretty good too.
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Hi. I'm running a T-Mobile Dash with Windows Mobile 6, and I'm looking for a free IM client that can connect to AIM, at least. I know Windows Live gives me Pocket MSNIM, but only a tiny minority of my friends use that. The on-board Oz Instant Messenger refuses to work with AT&T, and I just get error messages, so I'm kind of at a stand-still right now.
The other thing I'm looking for is a lower priority, I'm trying to find an SSH client for my SmartPhone too. PocketPuTTY, I've heard of, but I can't seem to find it. Again, I'm cheap, so I'm hoping for something free.
There's one catch to all this: I'm running a Mac, so EXE installers are no-go. CABs and SFX (Self-Extracting ZIPs) are usable, but anything more complex isn't going to work.
Thanks for all the help!
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Since I don't see it mentioned, you may be able to use PocketPuTTY,
http://www.pocketputty.net/ ,
for a SSH application. It works for me. The file that you download while named PocketPuTTY.exe is a Windows Mobile binary. Just copy it to your phone and run it. Hope it works for you.
So regarding IM clients Do they all use webgateways provided by the Makers. Are there any that directly connect to the AIM, Yahoo!, and MSN Servers?
Not that I walk around wearing a tinfoil hat. but I just like to know where my data is being sent.
Octro Chat uses one. But I can't find any info as to if mundu uses one. If they all use it I will get over it but I was just curious is anyone knew.
pocket putty doesnt run on smartphones just ppc. i am also looking for a free shh client for smartphone (wm standard)
if your looking for just aim..this is about as good as your gonna get lol
Hi Guys
After trawling countless forums and google searches i have finally found a Ventrilo client for PPC and smartphones.
The programs is called CEntrilo http://www.g3gg0.de/wordpress/projects/centrilo
Now I installed this and was like "Hell YEAH!", it connected perfectly and I was able to use all the features that I love in normal ventrilo.
Then I hit a snag....when i unhooked from ActiveSync i lost connection and no matter what i did i could not get connected through WiFi or GPRS..Dammit! All i kept getting was the error "host name not found"
Once again I trawled google to find a solution. BINGO! I found that if you redirect a host to the IP (such as signing upto no-ip.org and creating a host) and then used that as the IP it works.
So anyways I hope this is usefull to all u hardcore gamers and Voip ppl
Peace Out
Dodge
pld sir
thanx dude almost gave up on this one... cheers
no problemo
I hear u have asked the guy for the source code? are u a programmer?
nah...
nah.just like to see how stuff works and maybe tinker a bit.
What if there is already a Server established and you can't access it? Or do you still go to the No-IP.org site?? Cuz the site makes it sound like your signing up for a server or something along those lines.... sorry I'm not really understanding how it all works.
Hey, since I can't access his website ( http://www.g3gg0.de/wordpress/projects/centrilo ) I would like to ask you guys for a favoure ... Would anyone could be so nice and post program binaries here? Ofcourse any help would be appreciated .
yeah i'd also like to obtain the binaries.
packetloss said:
yeah i'd also like to obtain the binaries.
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Count me in also!
Just to inform you guys ... http://www.g3gg0.de/wordpress/projects/centrilo is now accessible!
centrilo dosnt work with new vent servers
all new vent servers do not support centrilo (as far a i can tell, would love to be wrong)
but..
if some one wans o work on i i have an old vent-server app.
Could you please tell me what version of ventrilo server do I need to connect on with centrilo. Thanks!
my centrilo was working fine up 2 Version 2.3.0 get hat and you'll be fine. 3.0 stops centrilo working. not had time to work out why but there you go
i might upload server file on the weekend.o0(thats if i can find it in all the junk iv downloaded )
That's weird ... I can't connect to server version 2.1.4. You probably don't know if there is any bug.
I miss this program so much it hurts. There must be alternative. Perhaps some handy programmer would like to take a crack at this?
Yeah, updated the server to 3.0.2 and Centrilo is hosed.
Geggo is considering upgrading his software to work with the new version of ventrilo. Visit his site here and post a message letting him know how much you appreciate his work and how much you would like to see an update.
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Geggo is considering upgrading his software to work with the new version of ventrilo. Visit his site here and post a message letting him know how much you appreciate his work and how much you would like to see an update.
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The developer refuses to update his client to work with the 3.0 Vent servers. The new vent clients talk to the official servers and the CEtrilo developer hates the "we want to control everything" mindset.
So we are out of luck. Is there anyone else out there tackling this project?
Ok, I just found you guys while searching for a Vent program for my Blackberry Curve. Sorry if this is a dead topic and sorry in advance because I know nothing about this stuff.
I was looking at the Centrilo program but it didn't seem that the site was too user friendly so I was hoping someone here could help me out. Does Centrilo still work at all? And how do I install it, do I need to do it from my laptop or can I just install straight to the BB?
Thanks for any help you can give me. As you can see I'm very new to this but I'm desperate.
Looks like he may of released the code for CEntrillo.
http://www.g3gg0.de/wordpress/archives/30
Anyone wanna take a shot at updating this for Vent 3.0 servers, and Windows Mobile 6.1?
Yes someone please update this
I was reading in the kaiser and diamond threads about Im clients an was wondering which one people would recommend but also I am overseas a lot and travel quite a bit with my job and was wondering if there is an IM client out there that utilizes the front facing camera for chats? I ask this because searching has gotten me no where.
thanks in advance for any help
n3rv3 said:
I was reading in the kaiser and diamond threads about Im clients an was wondering which one people would recommend but also I am overseas a lot and travel quite a bit with my job and was wondering if there is an IM client out there that utilizes the front facing camera for chats? I ask this because searching has gotten me no where.
thanks in advance for any help
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I personally use Plaringo, works fine for me.
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...there is an IM client out there that utilizes the front facing camera for chats?
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Not available yet.
thanks any other IM clients that people like. sorry for this next question but how do i add plaringo or IM clients i used to use nokia and then went to iPhone and i had to sftp it on but then were do i add it at
there are a number of instant messanger clients out there IM+, Palringo, JiveTalk
I personally use IM+ and JiveTalk
JiveTalk is still in beta but it's pretty good and it's free
Palringo is free and it have a couple of pretty nice features
IM+ i paid for and have been using it has it's positive and negatives
i know there are a lot more out there
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well actually... there's one client that uses the front camera:
ever heard of Netmeeting? it existed way before msn and yahoo.. at that time we (only) had mirc and ICQ those were the days..
anyways microsoft made a netmeeting client por ppc which uses the camera.. never tried it, tho. and the software only works by connecting to an ILS server (much like netmeeting). if you've never heard of Netmeeting, just go to Star->Run-> Conf.exe
about the ppc client.. you can _try_ here: http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/
hf
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there are a number of instant messanger clients [...] out there
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yups, I use Smaper (formerly known as mChat by mGSLab.com)
http://smape.com/smaperfiles/wm/smaper106w_pe.cab
It's not easy to find the file (or even the description) on smape.com; but with babelfish and some russian translating it's fine (the program is not russian, it's multilanguage)
still waiting for the devs to get filetransfer working again (used to work until june or so, mgslab.com server is routed to smape now) but everything else is fine (ICQ, AIM, jabber, MMP, MSN...)
EDIT:
www.mgslab.com is rerouted, http://pda.mgslab.com/files.html and http://pda.mgslab.com still working. smaper 1.06 is the newer one though, it's an improvement over mchat 2.3.0.x
just my five cents hth
iRiKi said:
well actually... there's one client that uses the front camera:
ever heard of Netmeeting? it existed way before msn and yahoo.. at that time we (only) had mirc and ICQ those were the days..
anyways microsoft made a netmeeting client por ppc which uses the camera.. never tried it, tho. and the software only works by connecting to an ILS server (much like netmeeting). if you've never heard of Netmeeting, just go to Star->Run-> Conf.exe
about the ppc client.. you can _try_ here: http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/
hf
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Tks for the link. When I click on it; it diverted to http://research.microsoft.com/mcom/portrait/ AND Microsoft Portrait doesn't work on Kaiser http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387327
this is one of the things that rly angry me in the wmob world.
had that idea long ago when i bough my magician: we had gprs (33.6k baud was more then enough), we had a built-in camera, we have im applications, how cool was to webcam mobily?
and now after 3 years microsoft didnt even cared to pull a wrapper for the phone camera(s).
care to know why not? THE CARRIES! that way they couldnt pull out the astronomicall but lucrative rates on video-calling.
f*ck the exploited capitalism. america has to pay now
i use slick and it works pretty well also free
trying them out
i am trying all the ones that you guys said you like and i looked up aim and got AIM mobile but whenever i try to connect i get " Connectivity error 12029"
and i dont think my wifi is working correctly.. any pointers
qip.ru has a WM client that supports ICQ und Jabber. Im using it on ICQ and Google-Talk. Very stable an no other Problems, even if running for more than one day over GPRS.
ICQ
If you want ICQ-only client,Pigeon is the best on Raphael. I have tried any others,but they have problems playing sound notifications.
Pigeon fulfills all my requests on ICQ client perfectly:
- History in textfile and fast to read back
- Vibration and sound notifications working
- Easy and fast to use
- Nice design with cool smileys
Don't forget to prove whether you client stores some data on the client's provider server! Agile Mobile and Palringo both use a web gateway to connect to Jabber or ICQ. In both cases all your massages and passwords travel through foreign servers. This isn't really nice.
QIP 2040 works really fine on both ICQ und Jabber, and there aren't any problems with notification, vibration etc. And it directly connects to ICQ und Jabber-Server. So there is some privacy!
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Don't forget to prove whether you client stores some data on the client's provider server! Agile Mobile and Palringo both use a web gateway to connect to Jabber or ICQ. In both cases all your massages and passwords travel through foreign servers. This isn't really nice.
QIP 2040 works really fine on both ICQ und Jabber, and there aren't any problems with notification, vibration etc. And it directly connects to ICQ und Jabber-Server. So there is some privacy!
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Are you sure,QIP2040 is playing sounds correctly while in standby? My not.
Sorry for all,I forgot to write,that sound notifications won't play in standby(instead of Pigeon).
Yes, but I've disabled this cause of this anoying Uhoooh It still vibrates.
IM with video
Yo guys, still a bit confused here. Is there or isn't there a mobile IM application that let's you make mobile videocalls to MSN or Skype users?
No. See post #3, 8 and 9.
Pigeon! problems with Vibration
I just installed Pigeon on my Vario IV and everything's working perfect- besides notification with vibration. The sounds work perfectly...
Does anyone no what the problem is?
Do I have to mark both vibration modes or just one?
When I just pick one nothing happens.
Thanks for helping...
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I was reading in the kaiser and diamond threads about Im clients an was wondering which one people would recommend but also I am overseas a lot and travel quite a bit with my job and was wondering if there is an IM client out there that utilizes the front facing camera for chats? I ask this because searching has gotten me no where.
thanks in advance for any help
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I've always used IM+ (not free) but had a chance to try Beejive and I vote for Beejive plus it's free.
ok, might be a stupid question as MSN belongs to windows but i know that iphone users can install MSN, so gonna try my luck.. is there a possibility to install MSN on my sensation? i mean the real MSN we use on our desktops but just for mobile devices
thanks
There is no official Windows Live client for Android. You can try something like IM+ or a variety of other programs. But don't feel bad, not even Windows Phone had a client before the Mango update.
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There is no official Windows Live client for Android. You can try something like IM+ or a variety of other programs. But don't feel bad, not even Windows Phone had a client before the Mango update.
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but if i install one of these clients, will i be able to see and communicate with my friends who are on windows live client?
sure, the best one imho is Epinephrine: fast, simple and easy to use. Latest version can also send files!
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sure, the best one imho is Epinephrine: fast, simple and easy to use. Latest version can also send files!
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Agree with that, Epinephrine is quite good. IM+ is very nice as well, but files are uploaded to their server with this one... I hate that. I want my files sent directly. Epinephrine can do that, but only pictures and sounds I believe. Not TXT files, APKs, whatever. MSN Messenger: Mercury Free can send all types of files directly, but is otherwise inferior to the two alternatives I mentioned.
Ebuddy.
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I prefer Trillian, they have a desktop client and Android client. They both work really well together and it supports a lot more than just MSN.