Hey, straight to the point i've been using lineageOS ever since the day i found out there is an alternative to the stock google android rom.
Has anyone tried all three of the operatingsystems listed in the title, if so how do they compare to each other, what are the major differences, pros/cons?
I did not list grapheneOS and CalyxOS here because these work only with google pixel devices while the other three OS'es should be compatibly with *any* device.
I know that iode is based on lineageos or in other words a fork of lineageos, so question is, is there any point in switching from lineage to iode, any privacy benefits?
For example iode seems to have a builtin systemwide filterlist to block tracking requests, i don't think lineageos has anything like that and the only option i found so far is the nextDNS filter app.
About e/OS i know absolutely knowing, has it been around as long as lineage? How do they compare?
The 3 mentioned OSs are a so-called aftermarket OS.
LineageOS is a fork of AOSP ( vanilla Android OS ), e/OS is a fork of LineageOS - with the appearence of iOS, and iode OS is a fork of e/OS.
I'ld stay with LineageOS.
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The 3 mentioned OSs are a so-called aftermarket OS.
LineageOS is a fork of AOSP ( vanilla Android OS ), e/OS is a fork of LineageOS - with the appearence of iOS, and iode OS is a fork of e/OS.
I'ld stay with LineageOS.
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e/OS aim for an iOS apperance? Why would an android rom try to look like disgusting iphone/apple?
Don't need to respond to that, i just don't get the logic there.
Why apple and the people who buy iphones are disgusting should be clear, made with chinese dictator slavelabour, plus actively lobbying against human rights. How one can be dumb enough to purchase such devices is out of my mind.
Just had to be said.
iodeOS is a fork of e/OS, are you sure? I've heared it's a fork of lineage, so this confuses me.
I too am in the same boat - I have been reviewing all of these 3 OS's as i need to have a De-Googled OS on my
Samsung Note 10+
I was given some posts about 2 of these OS's though that i think people should review for themselves:
iode OS:
https://divestos.org/misc/i.txt
/e/ OS:
https://divestos.org/misc/e.txt
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I too am in the same boat - I have been reviewing all of these 3 OS's as i need to have a De-Googled OS on my
Samsung Note 10+
I was given some posts about 2 of these OS's though that i think people should review for themselves:
iode OS:
https://divestos.org/misc/i.txt
/e/ OS:
https://divestos.org/misc/e.txt
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Interesting sources.
I've never trusted microG seemingly for good reason.
It's pretty stupid using a degoogled device just to compromise it with microG which is still google, i don't get the people who do that.
You either have privacy or you don't.
https://divestos.org/misc/mg.txt
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Does anyone think this will happen? I hope not. The main reason I use Android is it's open source nature. And what about custom roms? What will happen to them?
Google is preparing to seize control of Android with its own proprietary closed-source version of the mobile operating system, an analyst claims.
Technology analyst Richard Windsor says that a highly confidential internal project is underway to rewrite the ART runtime, removing any lingering dependencies from the freely downloadable open source AOSP (Android Open Source Project) code base.
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Full story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/08/google_is_taking_android_proprietary_heres_how/
It will happen, there are too many risks now with un-patched OS versions
While Google are promptly releasing fixes, the OEM's are not pushing them out.
(They claim testing/compatibility issues, but really mean, we want you to buy a new phone)
Why should I have to pay ~£500 every year for a phone with the latest OS just to stay safe.
I have a 2010 HTC Desire HD running MM perfectly happily (thanks to XDA developers), it just goes to show it can be done !
Even flagship models are slow to receive latest updates while OEM's re-tweak all their 'crapware' to work with the updates.
The only way Google can force updates out is to lock down the underlying OS so that it removes the OEM's excuses.
Its a shame that OEM's laziness/greediness is going to ruin it for all.
Unfortunately closed-source = death of custom ROMS :crying::crying::crying:
If you'll remember the April Fools joke on Lineage OS's website, there was this fake program called Br0Zip:
We know our users; their biggest desire is to be able to get a stable custom rom on their device. Painlessly.
Lineage supports a lot of devices, but this big number is still small when compared to the amount of the devices available in the market.
One of our main goals is to bring the latest Android version to all those forgotten devices, but we also focus on user experience and security improvements.
The main problem with this cool thing is that you need a developer that builds and fixes all the bugs. It’s a pain, we’ve done it many times.
But these days are gone now. We’re deprecating maintainers. Yeah - you read it right.
We’re proud to annouce our AI-powered revolutionary product called Br0zip.
Br0zipperEngine, is a powerful AI that powers Br0Zip. Given any .zip ROM or .img kernel of any device (yeah - any device) it’ll be able to generate a properly working ROM.
It’s cool, isn’t it? But wait - there’s more: we believe customization is important, and that’s why we implemented a feature selector in the ROM builder wizard, so you can make your ROM truly yours.
Anyone, including those who have never touched a single line of code now can be a talented developer and create their own bugless custom ROM for their device in seconds.
The best thing? It runs directly on your phone - you don’t even need a supercomputer.
Br0zip trial will included for free in the LineageOS builds.
We can’t wait to see what you’ll build with it.
Keep romming,
The Lineage Ink. team
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Despite the obvious fact that no such thing had been developed, it's actually a good idea.
Picture this: instead of flashing a ROM that adjusts itself (option 3 in the poll - imagine how large that would be if it had support for EVERY SINGLE FEATURE ever developed for Android devices!), have a program which, after the initial setup wizard, detects and downloads the necessary components for your device over the internet via some cloud-based server, then installs those components, restart if needed, and voila! You have a working ROM installed on your Android device. Very much like what Ubuntu, Debian, Mageia, and other Linux-based OSes do when not all the components required are supplied by the live CD or USB image.
What do you all think?
Ah, yes. this old thread. How popular it was back then... Well, at least I got an avatar out of that April Fool's joke.
Would you, or have you guys ever considered making a unique system UI for Bliss OS like Remix OS and Phoenix OS? Aside from you guys getting Android Oreo to work with x86 and x86_64 based systems, I think that would be the only thing for you guys to do that would make you the best. I've tried decompiling the SystemUI for both Remix and Phoenix to try and get an understanding of what they did, but being one with no real coding background, I can only see so much of it for what it's worth. Though, when I did it, I was only using a demo version of JEB Decompiler, but with a "valid" version, I can now decompile much more. Here's what I got of the Remix OS UI so far. It;s not 100% usable, but it's something. I can do the same for the Phoenix OS system UI too, if you want!
https://mega.nz/#F!cKoiTKYQ!Cs2fG2CKnLwv9t4HDVeBWQ
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Would you, or have you guys ever considered making a unique system UI for Bliss OS like Remix OS and Phoenix OS? Aside from you guys getting Android Oreo to work with x86 and x86_64 based systems, I think that would be the only thing for you guys to do that would make you the best. I've tried decompiling the SystemUI for both Remix and Phoenix to try and get an understanding of what they did, but being one with no real coding background, I can only see so much of it for what it's worth. Though, when I did it, I was only using a demo version of JEB Decompiler, but with a "valid" version, I can now decompile much more. Here's what I got of the Remix OS UI so far. It;s not 100% usable, but it's something. I can do the same for the Phoenix OS system UI too, if you want!
https://mega.nz/#F!cKoiTKYQ!Cs2fG2CKnLwv9t4HDVeBWQ
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Instead of adding a hacked version of xhfw from the Xposed gallery, then never releasing sources for it that include the proper commit history, we chose to do something a little different than the rest and use Google's native multi-window solutions. We have even gone one step further and empowered community developers like @farmerbb to use our platform as a canvas for their work. This is why you can get most of the Taskbar experience you find on Bliss, with other Android-x86 versions now too. We don't believe in coming up with solutions that work best for ourselves, we believe in coming up with solutions that work for everybody.
Hello all,
I've not flashed a mobile device in a very long time. I was wondering if Postmarket OS is compatible with the moto G7 river? I've seen that it's compatible with other G7 variants but I've not seen anywhere explicitly say it will work with G7 river. I don't have enough knowledge about flashing to know what to look for in regards to if a device should be compatible. I'm also open to other Linux OS on this device but they don't seem to mention the G7 series so I'm assuming they are not compatible. My previous laptop linux experience includes Arch Linux & Debian so any OS that are similar or operate similarly are preferred (I'm kinda computer savvy but no formal CS education, so I can adapt to a totally new system but that isn't my preference)
I know lineage is supported but it says it's based on android which IMO is starting to remind me of how Windows slowly got worse over time. I know android is ultimately based on Linux but like others have said it's hardly recognizable as linux and doesn't follow the philosophies that makes linux distros great. I would settle for lineage as a last resort as at the minimum I'm trying to get away from Google on mobile devices ( game addiction, Google play store way too tempting to fully kick gaming habits).
(UPDATE)
So I successfully followed the instructions on here https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/river and have booted up in lineage successfully. No google in sight however if anyone can point me to instructions on how to flash or otherwise get a linux distribution (like debian) onto the phone I would still give it a shot if it seems well supported (little to no risk of hard-bricking).
[added to OP] I'm not sure if I can delete this post so if mods do clean-up feel free to delete this one. I've looked for a delete or trash button but don't see one.
Mainline it to the main Linux repo
Use mobian END or
If you want android Get the upgraded LOS port to your device and port it to AOSP using the android mainline kernel (now with the last Linux you can use any android version you want), with mainline drivers like freedreno etc... (You can use drm-hwcomposer) END or
If you want your stock rom like OxygenOS extract the GSI of the newer model of your phone, decompile apks, edit files etc... To match your hardware and reenable lost features or disable feature with hardware requirements. To make sure everything is working fork LOS and call it, merge it with the prebuilt GSI and modify it to work lawless with stuff like enforced selinux.
I'm doing this with my OnePlus 6T, my hope is to have the last OxygenOS that work flawlessly on mainline kernel and upgrade it until the hardware is not good enough, then I'll just use mobian or buy a new phone.
Given that Android is comprised of multiple disjoint components, about two dozen of which are encompassed in Project Mainline/Treble/Google Play system updates/etc., now mostly simply referred to as "Google System updates"...
"One of Google's biggest efforts for Android in recent years is to make updating parts of the operating system easier, cutting out the middlemen wherever possible to deliver updates directly to customers. Originally referred to as Project Mainline, the system is now called "Google Play system updates" or sometimes "Google System updates."
These updates are downloaded and installed automatically by the Play Store, with the installation finalizing whenever you decide to reboot your phone. Generally speaking, the system is designed to go unnoticed, a goal that Google has achieved with relative success."
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I have asked this key pertinent question of everyone I can ever since project Mainline/Treble had been announced way back for Android 10 and have yet to get _any_ answer whatsoever that has any basis in published facts from Google.
The question...
For the two dozen core modules covered in project Mainline, for how long does Google update them over Google Play Update services on Android 10+ phones?
The answer...
Is it finite?
Is it forever?
Is it arbitrarily finite?
For how long are the two dozen core modules updated over Google Play for any given Android X+ device?
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Given that Android is comprised of multiple disjoint components, about two dozen of which are encompassed in Project Mainline/Treble/Google Play system updates/etc., now mostly simply referred to as "Google System updates"...
I have asked this key pertinent question of everyone I can ever since project Mainline/Treble had been announced way back for Android 10 and have yet to get _any_ answer whatsoever that has any basis in published facts from Google.
The question...
For the two dozen core modules covered in project Mainline, for how long does Google update them over Google Play Update services on Android X+ phones?
The answer...
Is it finite?
Is it forever?
Is it arbitrarily finite?
For how long are the two dozen core modules updated over Google Play for any given Android X+ device?
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The "project mainline" is misleading. Here when I tak about mainlining I'm talking about running android with a generic Linux kernel instead of the fork. So you can basically update the kernel to infinity and so port every android version you like.
So basically now I'm porting the OnePlus 6t to aosp using android-mainline as kernel with drm-hwcomposer. So anything forked or something.