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Surely this can't be right.
Just checked with Smart Mobile Gadgets, and HTC Diamond are selling at $899.94. Compare to Sony Experia X1, which is selling for $979.94. I am not an iPhone person, but WOW at those price, I may be forced to buy the 3G iPhone instead. Lets hope the price will be lower than what they have there.
Hahahahahaha! That's way too much money for this phone, HTC will sell only a few.
it'll probably drop to $800 or less quite soon after (£400)
it's 'cheaper' with a contracy usually though, free or very cheap (>£100) with contacts <£35/month, that also includes all your calls/texts/internet so it can be quite good.
if you think about it, that has always been the price for the high end phones. remember the Nokia 8890 back in the days? it was about the same price as well.
Yeah, it's far too much for a phone with 4GB storage only and without a card slot.
These are pre-release prices so they are obviously high. When these phones come to carriers, that's when the prices will come down significantly and plus they won't be released in the U.S till the end of the year so that will also give some time to reduce prices.
PLus they are unlocked, Locked devcices are usaully cheaper by hundreds of dollars and unlocking is no big deal.
HTC want us to pay >$900 for Microsoft for using Google youtube and Opera browser?
NO WAY!
I think I disagree.
Keep in mind that it will be available in Europe first so...
900$ is about 600 euros, which seems reasonable for a new WM device with VGA screen + GPS...
Moreover, the old HTC Touch is still sold for about 420 euros..
After checking out the iPhone, it does make sense that the Diamond is way too expensive. In any case, AT&T only carries the iPhone. For now, I am happy to use my 8525 and 3125.
Well I paid 915 US$ last year for a TyTN II with shipping included, so this prices are high but not overpriced.
I like the Diamong but for now I think that I'll wait for Windows 7.
daniel_rh said:
Well I paid 915 US$ last year for a TyTN II with shipping included, so this prices are high but not overpriced.
I like the Diamong but for now I think that I'll wait for Windows 7.
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THAT IS INSANE!
I know the mogul is a tad bit under the specs of the tilt, but i paid 500 about a month before its official release. I cant really see the diamond going for more than 600 usd, especially if it want to compete with the iphone (which IMO, is better)
I really hope the raphael is around the same or less.
let's say you have 900$. what are you going to buy? sony or htc?
Stop yer fussin. Thats only the prices they're charging because the phones aren't even out yet. When they come out they'll probably be impossible to find too, but hopefully Sprint lets me upgrade at a discount with a new contract or something.
Yeah, they'll come down after they release. At least I hope they do! My wife and I are planning on getting one of each next year (I like the X1, she likes the Diamond).
If they stay almost a grand a pop we'll be passing...too rich for my blood.
I only paid $120 for my Mogul... I won't pay $900 for a phone.
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I only paid $120 for my Mogul... I won't pay $900 for a phone.
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$120! Where did you pull that off, ebay?
I got my Hermes (two of them, 8525's) for $199 each from AT&T themselves. No contract extension, nothing. I just called up one day and told them what I wanted, and they gave it to me somehow. I think it's because the Tilt was like two months away so maybe they were trying to clear 'em out.
$399 for two 8525's was a deal, I thought. But no way I'm going to pay even five hundred for one phone. That really is a bit high...and 900+ is just out of the question, as far as I'm concerned.
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Stop yer fussin. Thats only the prices they're charging because the phones aren't even out yet. When they come out they'll probably be impossible to find too, but hopefully Sprint lets me upgrade at a discount with a new contract or something.
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Exactly. I got my Wing for $326 off eBay. $900 is not worth a phone especially when it's going to be like $300 in the next 6 months.
Just checked pricing here too and it's £480 unlocked without a contract and £200 for T-mobile flext 25 which is what I'm on. That's quite a bit more than I'm usually willing to pay - I haven't paid more than £60 for a phone on contract. As others have said though, the price will come down when it's been on the market a few months, plus we'll know all it's little bugs by then
I couldn't wait for a new phone though as I've just bricked one, so I've ordered a LG KS20 unlocked without contract (managed to brick my phone 4 months before contract is up).
What is the difference between iPod Touch and iPhone? A $5 GSM/CDMA chip? Why $400 price difference?
Large screen Android tablets can be had for $200. Why unlocked phones are $600-800?
Sorry if it's been discussed, my search didn't find a good topic on the subject.
Wow, no answers! Noone else is interested in this question?
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Which?
They're expensive because of convenience, demand. people want it they gotta pay....
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They are so expensive, because people buy them anyways.
Manufactors and carriers are all after our money, why should they lower the price.
Besides that some devices also have to pay back the research that went into developing them.
Don't have any idea why unlocked phones are costlier but it you compare tablet and phone, size does matter. Smaller, faster and costier.
go overseas and see the prices some can have more then a hundred dollars difference even if they are the same devices
The price triples at the 3rd world countries. I wonder why.
Yeah, you're lucky for not live in a country like Brazil, there a smartphone like S2 or Iphone4 costs around 1000,00 US$ bucks...
well maybe unlucking phone is expensive because its not really designated in any other area than the original area, but the publisher wants to publicly sale it to other region. that can be the cause too
Development is expensive.
You buy a brand, this is why most of the time you pay double.. buy another phone with the same specs but with a non popular brand and you will pay less...
Not to mention that you are talking about Apple...
All your reasoning would apply for everything else electronic- TVs, MP3 or Blue Ray players, etc. Yet they all keep coming down in prices. But not the phones.
Yea, good question I was wondering the same.
It really is a gigantic gap between say an Iphone and Ipod touch in terms of price, yet the hardware has very little difference.
Seems like a marketing thing, as most users will want all the goodies packed together in a small package + a phone in one device.
It's a conspiracy i tell yea
You should see it like this. When you buy a phone, you pay for the development, the construction, the shipping, the people who check it, the people who made the software. add that up with an expensive casing (like HTC has.) and the euro's (or dollars) fly onto the price tag. With Apple, I don't know, they just rip your wallet.
Smartphones are still upcomming, with new technology added every time a new device is being developed.
Why is SSD more expensive than a normal HDD, because it's a new technology. DVD drives used to be really expensive aswell, look at them now they aren't so expensive anymore.
Anything that's new has a price, and it's your choice if you want to pay for it or not.
I hope this helps.
It's not that unbranded phones are more expensive, the price just isn't subsidised by the network operators.
Network operators sell you the handset at a loss, but tie you into a contract to recoup their initial cost. Customer inertia means there's a good chance you'll stay with them.
well they give you much more ie. i have an ace and i can do everything what i usually do on my pc... except gaming ofc.
Unlocked phones are not only expensive because of the demand. When you buy one on contract, you are going to end up paying over $1000 over the 2 year contract anyways. That's why they discount smartphones so much on contract, they know they will get paid back from the contract.
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I'm guessing prices don't come down on phones because carriers subsidize prices. Manufacturers know that and therefore prices will stay rather high. Having said that, development on new phone technology is going at a fast rate right now so manufacturers also are recouping those costs.
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You should see it like this. When you buy a phone, you pay for the development, the construction, the shipping, the people who check it, the people who made the software. add that up with an expensive casing (like HTC has.) and the euro's (or dollars) fly onto the price tag. With Apple, I don't know, they just rip your wallet.
Smartphones are still upcomming, with new technology added every time a new device is being developed.
Why is SSD more expensive than a normal HDD, because it's a new technology. DVD drives used to be really expensive aswell, look at them now they aren't so expensive anymore.
Anything that's new has a price, and it's your choice if you want to pay for it or not.
I hope this helps.
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Everything else also has to be developed, designed, engineered, assembled, shipped and retailed. In fact, iPod was developed before iPhone and they mostly made of the same parts.
Also, if you look at pricing for prepaid phones, I don't think that carriers subsidize that much. Mostly they hike their prices to force us in their contracts.
A week or so ago I saw a link on one of the "deal tracking" sites, an HTC tablet was offered for the same price with no contract or service as the "discounted" price from Sprint.
theyre expensives due to all research and work of the engineers...and of course to obtain more money from all of us...you want the finest and latest technology from theirs...you have to pay whatever their wants...
Samsung really ought to thank Barns & Nobles and Amazon. Lots of people bought these devices for the holiday, realized they're poor excuses for tablets, and returned them.
And now the more expensive galaxy tab, only 100 or so more saltier than the above craplets, is a viable choice. I wouldn't have paid 400 for one, but now with the cheaper price at best buy, it's only a hundred dollar jump from the nook tab. Especially, if you opt to pick it up from a store in a tax free state.
Has anyone found a better (lower than $350) price, or even the same price at somewhere other than Best Buy? They are sold out in literally a 50 mile radius around from where I live. I would hate to see the price go back to $400 before I get my grubby mitts on one.
Hey, it's a good sign, no? The more popular the device, the greater liklihood of great and diverse dev support, right?
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt
Amazon has them for 349.99. No tax in most states.. Very easy return if you have a problem with it.
Got my GT7+ brand new for $299 (before tax) at CompUSA. But that's because it was an unadvertised store special on Black Friday.
I'm sure they are back to the usual $399. Still, my belief is that everything is negotiable. Ask to talk with a manager and try to swing a deal, say a lower price on the tablet as long as you purchase a memory card with it or a case or some other accessory. Can't hurt to ask.
LG Nexus 4 had been listed on UKs retailer site Carphone Warehouse for GBP 389.95 without contract and with contract for 31 pounds per month. Which they have removed now.. May be they were testing the page..
All specs matched the specs as rumored.. few things i noticed were there is no radio, no LTE, battery details were mentioned as to be confirmed.
389 pounds comes to around 630 USD. worth it? I dont think so..
more details here.. not sure whether i shud be posting links
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/25/...ve-at-carphone-warehouse-confirms-android-4-2
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LG Nexus 4 had been listed on UKs retailer site Carphone Warehouse for GBP 389.95 without contract and with contract for 31 pounds per month. Which they have removed now.. May be they were testing the page..
All specs matched the specs as rumored.. few things i noticed were there is no radio, no LTE, battery details were mentioned as to be confirmed.
389 pounds comes to around 630 USD. worth it? I dont think so..
more details here.. not sure whether i shud be posting links
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/25/...ve-at-carphone-warehouse-confirms-android-4-2
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Saw that too, fun But don't worry about the price. They just charge what they can get away with, what people are prepared to pay, which I think depends on the number rather than the value. The current GNex that costs $350, which is about €270, actually costs €350 - €400 in the shops in Europe. Because that number is a price that people are prepared to pay. In the U.S. it won't be $600, I'd say closer to $400. I don't know, because I haven't done any real analysis, but I think that Google aren't really interested in making any money from the Nexus devices, I mean there's no way they make much of a profit on the Nexus 7 with those specs, but more in making money from the advertising all the Android owners are exposed to, and the data collected.
picture used is the same one floating around yesterday which was known to be a fake.
Look at the time in the center and running apps in the left top corner...
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picture used is the same one floating around yesterday which was known to be a fake.
Look at the time in the center and running apps in the left top corner...
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ya right.. looks like they put a mock up of the page..
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Saw that too, fun But don't worry about the price. They just charge what they can get away with, what people are prepared to pay, which I think depends on the number rather than the value. The current GNex that costs $350, which is about €270, actually costs €350 - €400 in the shops in Europe. Because that number is a price that people are prepared to pay. In the U.S. it won't be $600, I'd say closer to $400. I don't know, because I haven't done any real analysis, but I think that Google aren't really interested in making any money from the Nexus devices, I mean there's no way they make much of a profit on the Nexus 7 with those specs, but more in making money from the advertising all the Android owners are exposed to, and the data collected.
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I shudnt have compared it with the UK price. Cuz the Gnex even now sells for a lot more than the US price..
I dont think even Carphone guys got the detailed specs from LG.. I assume they just pulled some numbers from the rumors and posted it.. Actual specs might change along with some changes in the design.. But i wonder hw cud they bullishly announce the delivery date too even before the product has launched. got some balls i must say..
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I shudnt have compared it with the UK price. Cuz the Gnex even now sells for a lot more than the US price..
I dont think even Carphone guys got the detailed specs from LG.. I assume they just pulled some numbers from the rumors and posted it.. Actual specs might change along with some changes in the design.. But i wonder hw cud they bullishly announce the delivery date too even before the product has launched. got some balls i must say..
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it could be that the Carphone guys are in on the publicity machine. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that another 1 of the rumors a few weeks ago came from them too, a leaked stock manifest I think
Last year, when I traded in my Galaxy S21 Ultra to get an unlocked Galaxy S22 Ultra on Samsung.com, I got a $1,000 trade-in pre-order deal, which meant I only paid about $250 for my Galaxy Ultra S22. The S23 series was just announced, so I looked at the Samsung site to see what trade-in deals they had for an unlocked S23 Ultra. Pretty underwhelming. Only $500 for an S22 Ultra, which would bring the cost to about $700. Sure, you get 512 GB for the price of 256 GB, but I don't really care about that (256 GB is plenty for me). If I could upgrade to S23 Ultra for about $250 to $300, I'd pre-order it in a heartbeat, but not at $700.
Bummer! (I know, first-world "problem"... ).
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Last year, when I traded in my Galaxy S21 Ultra to get an unlocked Galaxy S22 Ultra on Samsung.com, I got a $1,000 trade-in pre-order deal, which meant I only paid about $250 for my Galaxy Ultra S22. The S23 series was just announced, so I looked at the Samsung site to see what trade-in deals they had for an unlocked S23 Ultra. Pretty underwhelming. Only $500 for an S22 Ultra, which would bring the cost to about $700. Sure, you get 512 GB for the price of 256 GB, but I don't really care about that (256 GB is plenty for me). If I could upgrade to S23 Ultra for about $250 to $300, I'd pre-order it in a heartbeat, but not at $700.
Bummer! (I know, first-world "problem"... ).
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If you're ordering from the US, there's an additional $500 instant discount, not sure if this is available in other countries or, how long the offer is in effect.
I guess it's Samsung's way of pushing people to pull the trigger, FOMO on the $500 instant discount. Yeah, I agree, those trade in offers on their own are pathetic, you're better off checking out a carrier model vs unlocked direct from Samsung.
If you want 12GB RAM, moving up to the 512GB (or 1TB) storage option is necessary, as the 256GB storage option only has 8GB RAM.
No kidding. This really pissed me off. I thought I had missed something. Now not so sure I will switch up.
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If you're ordering from the US, there's an additional $500 instant discount, not sure if this is available in other countries or, how long the offer is in effect.
I guess it's Samsung's way of pushing people to pull the trigger, FOMO on the $500 instant discount. Yeah, I agree, those trade in offers on their own are pathetic, you're better off checking out a carrier model vs unlocked direct from Samsung.
If you want 12GB RAM, moving up to the 512GB (or 1TB) storage option is necessary, as the 256GB storage option only has 8GB RAM.
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Where is the $500 instant discount
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Where is the $500 instant discount
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It'll be applied once you select color/storage/trade-in. (on unlocked models only, you'll see the message right above where you select Yes/No for trade-in). The carrier models have a different trade-in allowance, you'll see different messaging in the same spot.
You'll see the pre-tax price at the bottom of the screen before you check out.
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It'll be applied once you select color/storage/trade-in. (on unlocked models only, you'll see the message right above where you select Yes/No for trade-in). The carrier models have a different trade-in allowance, you'll see different messaging in the same spot.
You'll see the pre-tax price at the bottom of the screen before you check out.
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It's the same $500 trade in price that they're referring as "total instant credit". There's no additional $500 discount other than the trade in discount reflected in the pre tax price.
it is really amusing for me to read about people complaining about things as op does, I have always paid the full price for all my devices, looking for those trade in, or signing never ending contracts looks to me like a pain the ass, better, you pay for your phone, walk out of the store, and that's it
It's not a $500 instant discount. I'd get a $500 trade-in discount for my Galaxy S22 Ultra to get an unlocked Galaxy S23 Ultra straight from Samsung. That's way worse than last year, when I got $1,000 to trade in my Galaxy S21 Ultra to get the Galaxy S22 Ultra. I'd have to pay about $700 now to trade in my Galaxy S22 Ultra for the S23 Ultra. That's simply not worth it to me. Had it been $300 or so, like last year, I would have done it, but not $700. Ah well, would have been nice, but my S22 Ultra is still a great phone.
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It's the same $500 trade in price that they're referring as "total instant credit". There's no additional $500 discount other than the trade in discount reflected in the pre tax price.
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Yeah, we're talking about the same thing,$500 + whatever device you're trading in for an unlocked model.
I'm guessing the $500 instant credit isn't going to be around much longer, if at all, past the pre-order period that ends on 2/17/2023.
My apologies if my choice of words led anyone to believe there was any other additional $500 discount.
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it is really amusing for me to read about people complaining about things as op does, I have always paid the full price for all my devices, looking for those trade in, or signing never ending contracts looks to me like a pain the ass, better, you pay for your phone, walk out of the store, and that's it
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I'm curious what you do with your older phones if you're not trading them in. Samsung for the most part (not including this year) offered great values for trade ins in good working condition which means less headaches and hassle which is normally the case when you try to sell it yourself. Unless you're the exception and rock multiple phones as your daily driver.
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it is really amusing for me to read about people complaining about things as op does, I have always paid the full price for all my devices, looking for those trade in, or signing never ending contracts looks to me like a pain the ass, better, you pay for your phone, walk out of the store, and that's it
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What never-ending contracts? This isn't about contracts, simply the phone itself. I'm specifically talking about buying an unlocked phone straight from Samsung, not tied to any carrier. That's basically the online version of "pay for your phone, walk out the store, and that's it" like you do. Use it with any carrier. I, for one, prefer to pay as little as possible for a phone, so if I can get a great trade-in discount like last year, I'm all in.
I was simply comparing this year's S23U trade-in offer to last year's S22U, and it's way worse than last year. Last year, I got way more for my phone as a trade-in than I would ever be able to get selling it on Craig's List or OfferUp. That's definitely not the case this year. I'll hang on to my S22 Ultra longer, which is totally fine with me.
you got it wrong, I spoke in general, about you, I was referring about the cumbersome procedure of sending the phone, waiting for them to judge for what ammount they assess it, etc. I just pay for the phone at the store and presto! , I never sell the phones I have used, I use them 2 or 3 years
yeah I`m with GoogleFI and I preordered through there, 600.00 instant discount and free upgrade to 512gb storage for the same price as the 256gb just like what samsung doing on there webiste, all I have too do is keep it activate on GooglefF for 120 days, so it was $635.99 total for the 512gb green color.
Edit: also the samsung phones on google fi are the unlocked versions.
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Last year, when I traded in my Galaxy S21 Ultra to get an unlocked Galaxy S22 Ultra on Samsung.com, I got a $1,000 trade-in pre-order deal, which meant I only paid about $250 for my Galaxy Ultra S22. The S23 series was just announced, so I looked at the Samsung site to see what trade-in deals they had for an unlocked S23 Ultra. Pretty underwhelming. Only $500 for an S22 Ultra, which would bring the cost to about $700. Sure, you get 512 GB for the price of 256 GB, but I don't really care about that (256 GB is plenty for me). If I could upgrade to S23 Ultra for about $250 to $300, I'd pre-order it in a heartbeat, but not at $700.
Bummer! (I know, first-world "problem"... ).
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Exactly my feelings and situation right now. Pathetic game by Samsung. I was waiting all these days for the launch and willingness to upgrade. With just $500 for my s22u this doesn't make a sense at all to switch. S22u is so fast that any faster won't matter. It clicks good images too. With 700 plus taxes its not a worthy upgrade. Had it been around 350 usd i would have jumped into the wagon
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Exactly my feelings and situation right now. Pathetic game by Samsung. I was waiting all these days for the launch and willingness to upgrade. With just $500 for my s22u this doesn't make a sense at all to switch. S22u is so fast that any faster won't matter. It clicks good images too. With 700 plus taxes its not a worthy upgrade. Had it been around 350 usd i would have jumped into the wagon
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What particularly irks me is that you get a higher trade-in discount for a previous-generation iPhone 13 Pro Max than their own Galaxy S22 Ultra. Awesome way to reward brand loyalty.
The S23 will be just like all other phones.. People will buy them. Then not long after haveing it, they will complain about how bad the camera is. Or O Samsung dropped the ball, this phone is no differnet than bla bla bla before it.. I prchase my S22 Ultra back in April of last year.. I paid in full $1400. It does what I need it to do, Call, Text, Surf, email.. That is all I need it for.. Unless the phone can do the following 1. Brush my teeth, 2. flush the toilet, or 3. cook me dinner.. I will not be purchasing a new phone until at least this one dies.
BTW Iphones are like Toyota's they hold their value.. Samsung is like American cars. Pay high price, then watch the value drop, one you leave the store.
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The S23 will be just like all other phones.. People will buy them. Then not long after haveing it, they will complain about how bad the camera is. Or O Samsung dropped the ball, this phone is no differnet than bla bla bla before it.. I prchase my S22 Ultra back in April of last year.. I paid in full $1400. It does what I need it to do, Call, Text, Surf, email.. That is all I need it for.. Unless the phone can do the following 1. Brush my teeth, 2. flush the toilet, or 3. cook me dinner.. I will not be purchasing a new phone until at least this one dies.
BTW Iphones are like Toyota's they hold their value.. Samsung is like American cars. Pay high price, then watch the value drop, one you leave the store.
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totally agree with you, even my beloved galaxy note 7 performed very well after 4 years of use, when somebody stole it from my son, the things is, some people have unrealistic expectations about the latest premium devices, I try to get all the pertinent info before buying , I have had Sammsung devices since the S3, after, I moved to the note series, now I returned to the S, just because the ultra model is the new note
Watching this thread, looking for best deal??? Yeah, Samsung is not giving any good deals when I looked. Better yet, I have tmobile, when I went to see what trade in was for my s22 ultra was. unbelievable $150!!!!! Are they nuts??????
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Yep not a very good deal on Samsung website. Even with my perkspot discount I will end up paying around $700 for 512 GB. But then I saw email from my carrier, Google Fi. They are giving me 512 GB version for $600 plus $300 trade-in value for Galaxy S22 Ultra. So, I guess it's pretty good deal for me through Fi. In the end I'll only end up paying $300.
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Watching this thread, looking for best deal??? Yeah, Samsung is not giving any good deals when I looked. Better yet, I have tmobile, when I went to see what trade in was for my s22 ultra was. unbelievable $150!!!!! Are they nuts??????
Ken
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That's why, if it still works, and if the S23 does not have anything breath taking comepared to the S22. Then why in the world would people want to get a new phone.