Hello everyone.
Months ago I threw my Galaxy Note10 in the pool, result: K.O.
I took it to several repair centers, and they all told me the MB is gone.
I would like to try the chip off, by unmounting the memory chip and remounting it on another MB on new Note10.
Now my question is: Assuming the operation goes smoothly, can I just recover the data, or can I hope to use the new terminal as if it were the old one?
Maybe samsung implemented a secure file system, which only the original note can get access to? And in this case, is there a solution?
This is also because I need to recover the Google Authenticator app which, as you know, only stores locally,
so my hope is in a nutshell: Mount the old memory chip on the new MB, turn on the new phone and find everything as it was on the old one. Is such a thing possible?
Thanks in advance
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As a courtesy, we will move your thread to the Galaxy Note 10 Questions and Answers section.
As for your question...without the specialized equipment used in manufacture of these devices, it is all but impossible. Surface mount devices are incredibly hard to remove from boards without damage. Unfortunately, your data is lost.
V0latyle said:
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As a courtesy, we will move your thread to the Galaxy Note 10 Questions and Answers section.
As for your question...without the specialized equipment used in manufacture of these devices, it is all but impossible. Surface mount devices are incredibly hard to remove from boards without damage. Unfortunately, your data is lost.
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The chip-off technique is very common and is used successfully on all smartphones.
Obviously it has to be done by a specialized center with the right equipment, and it was obviously understood that I intend to turn to professionals for this job.
Now, given that the data is not lost at all, and that the chip off almost always works, usually only a data recovery is performed, by inserting the memory chip into special reading tools. To which my question is if it was possible to reassemble the aforementioned chip on a new MB of a working device, instead of only performing a data recovery from a reader.
I also apologize for posting in this section, but the chip off is a universal technique, which affects all types of MB and regardless of the type and brand of smartphone, I wrote the model only for completeness of information even if the question was obviously generalized to the concept. For this reason I chose to post it in the general questions section.
Thanks for the reply
chip off is pointless even if storage is soldered to different mainboard, as the hardware-backed encryption master key is unique for each SPU.
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chip off is pointless even if storage is soldered to different mainboard, as the hardware-backed encryption master key is unique for each SPU.
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Thank you, so how is it possible that in 90% of chip off cases on smartphones of many brands, the data is recovered? is there a way to decrypt the data using decryption tools?
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The chip-off technique is very common and is used successfully on all smartphones.
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I've been in the electronics industry for nearly 18 years. It's not nearly as common as you think, as I describe below....
Guerrerobook said:
Obviously it has to be done by a specialized center with the right equipment, and it was obviously understood that I intend to turn to professionals for this job.
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And you'll pay a LOT of money to do it. There isn't much of a market for this kind of specialized repair on "disposable" consumer electronics including smartphones. The reason why is simply cost. OEMs already have established manufacturing processes to produce thousands of boards a day; it's much cheaper to simply replace the entire board in a device than it would be to get the specialized equipment as well as the organic skill necessary to do this. I used to work for a Fortune 100 company that produces military grade avionics; in most cases, we did not replace defective SMD components, but rather the entire board. The cost of a component might be anywhere from the tens to hundreds of dollars, whereas the board could be upwards of $40,000, but again, it's simply more cost effective to replace a manufactured assembly than it is to try to install the "old" flash device onto a new board. In the consumer electronics industry, this difference is even more profound - a supplier can produce complete assemblies for cents on the dollar, and since it's so inexpensive to just replace with new, that's the preferred method of repair instead of replacing components - and that is if they bother repairing the device at all, because in many cases they'll simply replace an inoperable device with a new one.
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Now, given that the data is not lost at all, and that the chip off almost always works, usually only a data recovery is performed, by inserting the memory chip into special reading tools. To which my question is if it was possible to reassemble the aforementioned chip on a new MB of a working device, instead of only performing a data recovery from a reader.
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When I said "lost" I meant in the context of the ability of the average user to recover it. Yes, it is absolutely possible to read the data from the flash devices, but to do so you have to have some pretty specialized equipment and software, which I assume you don't have. Most repair centers won't have this, either, because as I described above, they'll simply replace entire assemblies. If your car's engine loses compression in a single cylinder, most repair centers won't replace the components in just that cylinder - they'll at least replace the entire cylinder head assembly, complete with valves and cams; they might just replace the entire engine if the problem is deep enough, instead of tearing it down to the block. Why? Because it's simply more expensive to replace individual components than entire assemblies.
Guerrerobook said:
I also apologize for posting in this section, but the chip off is a universal technique, which affects all types of MB and regardless of the type and brand of smartphone
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I'm fully familiar with the technique, but I also recognize just how specialized it is and how rare it is actually in practice. If you can find a shop that can do this, all the more power to you, but remember you're asking this question on a forum where most users only have access to publicly available tools and software.
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Thank you, so how is it possible that in 90% of chip off cases on smartphones of many brands, the data is recovered? is there a way to decrypt the data using decryption tools?
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Again - the possibility of doing so is irrelevant, because it's time and money that's generally not worth spent. Forensic data recovery is yet another specialized process.
Guerrerobook said:
Thank you, so how is it possible that in 90% of chip off cases on smartphones of many brands, the data is recovered?
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I can only laugh about such statistics.
"The Qualcomm SPU is a sub-chip embedded in a single-chip standalone device which conforms to the Level 2 requirements for physical security. The device is a single integrated circuit in which the die is embedded in a printed-circuit board (PCB) which provides opaqueness in the visible spectrum. The Qualcomm SPU is contained in a tamper-evident enclosure which deters direct observation, probing, or manipulation and provides evidence of attempts to tamper with or remove the Qualcomm SPU. The Qualcomm SPU is made from production-grade components with a conformal coating that provides protection against environmental or other physical damage."
V0latyle said:
I've been in the electronics industry for nearly 18 years. It's not nearly as common as you think, as I describe below....
And you'll pay a LOT of money to do it. There isn't much of a market for this kind of specialized repair on "disposable" consumer electronics including smartphones. The reason why is simply cost. OEMs already have established manufacturing processes to produce thousands of boards a day; it's much cheaper to simply replace the entire board in a device than it would be to get the specialized equipment as well as the organic skill necessary to do this. I used to work for a Fortune 100 company that produces military grade avionics; in most cases, we did not replace defective SMD components, but rather the entire board. The cost of a component might be anywhere from the tens to hundreds of dollars, whereas the board could be upwards of $40,000, but again, it's simply more cost effective to replace a manufactured assembly than it is to try to install the "old" flash device onto a new board. In the consumer electronics industry, this difference is even more profound - a supplier can produce complete assemblies for cents on the dollar, and since it's so inexpensive to just replace with new, that's the preferred method of repair instead of replacing components - and that is if they bother repairing the device at all, because in many cases they'll simply replace an inoperable device with a new one.
When I said "lost" I meant in the context of the ability of the average user to recover it. Yes, it is absolutely possible to read the data from the flash devices, but to do so you have to have some pretty specialized equipment and software, which I assume you don't have. Most repair centers won't have this, either, because as I described above, they'll simply replace entire assemblies. If your car's engine loses compression in a single cylinder, most repair centers won't replace the components in just that cylinder - they'll at least replace the entire cylinder head assembly, complete with valves and cams; they might just replace the entire engine if the problem is deep enough, instead of tearing it down to the block. Why? Because it's simply more expensive to replace individual components than entire assemblies.
I'm fully familiar with the technique, but I also recognize just how specialized it is and how rare it is actually in practice. If you can find a shop that can do this, all the more power to you, but remember you're asking this question on a forum where most users only have access to publicly available tools and software.
Again - the possibility of doing so is irrelevant, because it's time and money that's generally not worth spent. Forensic data recovery is yet another specialized process.
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What you say is correct if the goal is to repair a device; in this case it is much more convenient to replace it. But here we are dealing with data recovery, a very important and highly sought-after topic in this era, data are far more important than devices.
Ergo, there are many companies that specialize in forensic data recovery, with all the necessary equipment. And the cost for a chip off on a smartphone ranges from about $1000 to $1500.
But as I said in my first question, they just recover the data by inserting the memory chip into a suitable reader.
This is why my question was specifically, if instead of recovering the data in this way, it was possible (I mean technically, beyond costs and specific equipment that I have no problem finding), reassemble the chip on a new smartphone and use this as if it was the old one, working.
aIecxs said:
I can only laugh about such statistics.
"The Qualcomm SPU is a sub-chip embedded in a single-chip standalone device which conforms to the Level 2 requirements for physical security. The device is a single integrated circuit in which the die is embedded in a printed-circuit board (PCB) which provides opaqueness in the visible spectrum. The Qualcomm SPU is contained in a tamper-evident enclosure which deters direct observation, probing, or manipulation and provides evidence of attempts to tamper with or remove the Qualcomm SPU. The Qualcomm SPU is made from production-grade components with a conformal coating that provides protection against environmental or other physical damage."
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OK thank you. So I look at the problem from another point of view: The smartphone fell into the pool and no longer turned on. Some repair centers told me they couldn't fix it. In your experience, can water damage be that irreparable? or have these repair centers simply not been able to? in a nutshell is there any hope of resurrecting the MB?
the only way to recover data is to repair the phone. this is absolutely possible and I have seen repair centers doing that. they have schematics and measure each component on it's own. there is a colombian forum you can maybe find schematics.
https://www.servicell-arauca.com
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Guerrerobook said:
What you say is correct if the goal is to repair a device; in this case it is much more convenient to replace it. But here we are dealing with data recovery, a very important and highly sought-after topic in this era, data are far more important than devices.
Ergo, there are many companies that specialize in forensic data recovery, with all the necessary equipment. And the cost for a chip off on a smartphone ranges from about $1000 to $1500.
But as I said in my first question, they just recover the data by inserting the memory chip into a suitable reader.
This is why my question was specifically, if instead of recovering the data in this way, it was possible (I mean technically, beyond costs and specific equipment that I have no problem finding), reassemble the chip on a new smartphone and use this as if it was the old one, working.
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If you have the money and find someone who has the ability to do it...yes. But as Alecxs pointed out, there's additional problems you'd have to solve to get that flash device or devices to work with the SoC, mainly encryption. The encryption key is unique to each device, so moving the flash devices to a new board wouldn't work.
Honestly, if you are this invested into recovering your data, I think your best bet is to find someone who may be able to get your old device temporarily working, possibly while disassembled on a bench, long enough for you to recover your data so you can transfer it to a new phone. Encryption alone is going to be the biggest issue you'll have to deal with, and the easiest way to defeat it is to get the rest of the system working so that you're able to access the decrypted data "naturally". Most encryption is SHA-256, which for all intents and purposes is unbreakable.
aIecxs said:
the only way to recover data is to repair the phone. this is absolutely possible and I have seen repair centers doing that. they have schematics and measure each component on it's own. there is a spanish forum you can maybe find schematics.
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V0latyle said:
If you have the money and find someone who has the ability to do it...yes. But as Alecxs pointed out, there's additional problems you'd have to solve to get that flash device or devices to work with the SoC, mainly encryption. The encryption key is unique to each device, so moving the flash devices to a new board wouldn't work.
Honestly, if you are this invested into recovering your data, I think your best bet is to find someone who may be able to get your old device temporarily working, possibly while disassembled on a bench, long enough for you to recover your data so you can transfer it to a new phone. Encryption alone is going to be the biggest issue you'll have to deal with, and the easiest way to defeat it is to get the rest of the system working so that you're able to access the decrypted data "naturally". Most encryption is SHA-256, which for all intents and purposes is unbreakable.
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After falling into the pool, the device got very hot and then turned off.
The repair center that kept it the longest told me they tried to get the MB working long enough to recover the data, but it got too hot and gave up so as not to cause any more damage. In the light of these details, do you think it can be recovered?
Guerrerobook said:
OK thank you. So I look at the problem from another point of view: The smartphone fell into the pool and no longer turned on. Some repair centers told me they couldn't fix it. In your experience, can water damage be that irreparable? or have these repair centers simply not been able to? in a nutshell is there any hope of resurrecting the MB?
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Unless you disconnected the battery asap it's probably toast. Pull rear cover, disconnect battery, flush liberally with anhydrous isopropyl alcohol, drain off as much of the alcohol as fast as possible in a very warm, very dry room. Allow to dry completely for 2-7 days with a fan on it in a very warm, dry room. Try to power up only then...
You should have use a model with an SD card slot to store all of your critical data. Don't repeat this mistake again.
Destroy a new mobo to try and recover the data?
That's wasteful, nuts and will likely fail without lots of prior practice. The pros don't do this.
A recovery specialist service will hot air the BGA chipset off and use a test socket to try and extract, then decrypt the data. It may be successful. Expect to pay around $800 if it is successful.
blackhawk said:
Unless you disconnected the battery asap it's probably toast. Pull rear cover, disconnect battery, flush liberally with anhydrous isopropyl alcohol, drain off as much of the alcohol as fast as possible in a very warm, very dry room. Allow to dry completely for 2-7 days with a fan on it in a very warm, dry room. Try to power up only then...
You should have use a model with an SD card slot to store all of your critical data. Don't repeat this mistake again.
Destroy a new mobo to try and recover the data?
That's wasteful, nuts and will likely fail without lots of prior practice. The pros don't do this.
A recovery specialist service will hot air the BGA chipset off and use a test socket to try and extract, then decrypt the data. It may be successful. Expect to pay around $800 if it is successful.
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I have not disconnected the battery. The next day I took it to the repair center. Could data recovery be successful despite the unique encryption key?
Guerrerobook said:
I have not disconnected the battery. The next day I took it to the repair center. Could data recovery be successful despite the unique encryption key?
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You should have powered down immediately and disconnected the battery asap. Do not attempt to power it up or charge it again.
Take it to a recovery service that specializes in Samsung's. That's the only way to know if the data can be recovered. They can decrypt it probably if they can recover the data intact.
Personally I would have written it off if pulling the battery, drying, etc failed.
Always redundantly backup critical data to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC on a regular basis. At the very minimum use 2 OTG flashsticks for backup. More lessons from the U of Hard Knocks... they tend to sink in and be retained.
Guerrerobook said:
After falling into the pool, the device got very hot and then turned off.
The repair center that kept it the longest told me they tried to get the MB working long enough to recover the data, but it got too hot and gave up so as not to cause any more damage. In the light of these details, do you think it can be recovered?
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No. As I said at the beginning, if the device is dead, data recovery is nigh impossible.
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No. As I said at the beginning, if the device is dead, data recovery is nigh impossible.
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It's actually not completely dead, as I said the repair center told me they tried to keep the MB running long enough to make a backup but it got too hot and gave up.. So at least the MB turns on..
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More lessons from the U of Hard Knocks... they tend to sink in and be retained.
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I didn't understand this part
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I didn't understand this part
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University of Hard Knocks. Learning from painful mistakes...like losing your data because your device took a swim
Guerrerobook said:
The repair center that kept it the longest told me they tried to get the MB working long enough to recover the data, but it got too hot and gave up so as not to cause any more damage. In the light of these details, do you think it can be recovered?
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Did you tell them your lock screen credentials? Without unlocking, no one can recover data per design, no matter how long the mainboard survives. If service center claim to extract data with chip off method, they are simply scammers. no one can do this (except for secret government backdoors in baseband maybe, qualcomm is american multinational corporation lol)
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You know what bugs me already for years is the following...
Mobile phones, which I paid a lot for, come with poor vendor roms, which are locked. They are mostly rich in bugs and therefore poor in bugfixes, support and updates.
xda-developers mod roms, cyanogenmod, android root and so on are such great projects...
The problem with those is, that
- warranty gets lost
- not available for all phones (there are for example no mod roms for Motorola Flipout, because the bootloader has been successfully protected my Motorola and no one could hack it yet)
- the developers have to waste time with working around the protections to mod the device
It is ridiculous, you paid the full price for the phone, but never get the right to fully use it's potential.
Let's compare it with buying a normal laptop. It's also a piece of hardware and mostly there is Windows preinstalled with a loads of bloated unwanted software. This might be ok for a lot of people. And the rest? They are free to install ANY operating system they wish.
On normal laptops there are not risks when messing around with new operating systems. Of course you need some knowledge and you may lose your data, if you do not know what you are doing. But since all my messing with operating systems for PC, I never damaged the hardware, simply it is designed in a way, not to be damaged by software, it's robust.
Mobile phone vendors claim, they lock us out, because we could potentially harm the hardware. Isn't it their task, just to develop robust hardware and allow us to install any software we want?
This petition would aim for:
- open bootloader by default
- root by default
- warranty for the hardware, no matter which software you used
- free to install custom roms
- robust hardware
I'd like to start a petition and perhaps some public awareness for this issue.
So, if you want to help with anything.... Like writing a petition, a more handy text then this, for example, would be needed.
Discuss.
Installing another O/S on your laptop is not likely to break it, if it does you fix it or take it to a computer shop. A computers warenty normally only covers the junk it came with. There is already a problem with self entitled gits who dont read properly, or make an effort to understand what they are doing who download a WP7 rom, try to put it on a sensation, and expect someone to come running with a new phone. I don't believe they should try to stop people from modifying their devices in any way they want to, but they shouldnt have to cover your fumbling around either. Any modification is rightly done at your own risk.
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Installing another O/S on your laptop is not likely to break it, if it does you fix it or take it to a computer shop. A computers warenty normally only covers the junk it came with. There is already a problem with self entitled gits who dont read properly, or make an effort to understand what they are doing who download a WP7 rom, try to put it on a sensation, and expect someone to come running with a new phone. I don't believe they should try to stop people from modifying their devices in any way they want to, but they shouldnt have to cover your fumbling around either. Any modification is rightly done at your own risk.
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I agree with this.
One of the major issues with phone ROMs is that you do have the potential to completely brick your phone if you don't know what you're doing. Unrelated hardware failures (i.e. USB port loses power while flashing a new bootloader) may hard brick your phone to a state of complete uselessness.
Having super user access and root on a phone is another issue that the vast majority of end users do not want to have to deal with. UAC is enabled by default on Windows Vista and 7 because it provides robust protection for people who DO NOT know what they are doing. For day to day usage of a computer, users do not need an account with any special access privilege. Even if you do know what you're doing, its still SAFER to be on a non-admin account for day to day computer use.
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Installing another O/S on your laptop is not likely to break it, if it does you fix it or take it to a computer shop. A computers warenty normally only covers the junk it came with.
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There are also computers which come without any software, just hardware. If anything goes wrong, like defect harddrive, then it will be replaced, because of warranty.
Mobile phones are very similar to computers nowadays. But there are no decent mobile phones without operating systems available. This is also what I vote vor.
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I don't believe they should try to stop people from modifying their devices in any way they want to, but they shouldnt have to cover your fumbling around either. Any modification is rightly done at your own risk.
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Well, messing with software -> no more software suppprt -> but hardware warranty still ok.
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One of the major issues with phone ROMs is that you do have the potential to completely brick your phone if you don't know what you're doing. Unrelated hardware failures (i.e. USB port loses power while flashing a new bootloader) may hard brick your phone to a state of complete uselessness.
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I agree that this problem does exist right now...
But only because the hardware is not robust.
As far I know, (a while ago I informed myself about a few devices) it is not possible to brick Nokia S60 v3 devices. This is because the routine to flash the device is read only and can not be changed. No matter if you lose power during flashing or usb cable loss... You can always flash again. There is NO way to brick the device while flashing.
Apart from the flash routine which is hardly built into the phone, the rest of the phones software can be updated.
That demonstrates that there are no technical limitations to deploy robust hardware.
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Having super user access and root on a phone is another issue that the vast majority of end users do not want to have to deal with. UAC is enabled by default on Windows Vista and 7 because it provides robust protection for people who DO NOT know what they are doing. For day to day usage of a computer, users do not need an account with any special access privilege. Even if you do know what you're doing, its still SAFER to be on a non-admin account for day to day computer use.
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I also agree that it is saves not to use admin account for everyday use and that it's also a good idea not to have it enabled by default.
On computers you still have the option to legally use your root account. At the other hand with mobile phones this is completely unwanted and you need some kind of hack to do it. This is the difference. And this is what I complain about.
Yeah
I think just like apps there are some absolutely amazing ROMs that run better than the vendor ROMs. I think they should allow those changes to occur whether through a "vendor verified" developer or some kind of authorized ROM download channel through the manufacturer so you can get the style and type you want the most which typically runs much smoother without voiding the warranty. Great idea!
Lmao. Hell no. Carriers and manufacturers will try to start sellings roms like theyre crack. Ringtones anybody? Cmon. Only $3.
Anyways. I think the op doesnt know what hes asking for. What you want is a blank phone and you want the manufacturer to cover hardware no matter what is done with phone. Fair enough. I guess you want them to cover the phone if you burn through all your write cycles in the flash memory used because you have to flash anything you can your digital hands on. You do realize this will cause the price of parts to go up in the long run? And prices upfront will be more because they will calculate losses due to all the warranty claims. Should i keep wondering why insurance prices keep going up? Phones are built much, much different from computers. Pc's are generally modular and a single piece if defective is claimed to oem of that part. Not necessarily hp or dell. Phones usually only have one or two boards in them with all your components. So if you somehow manage to fry your wifi because you thought could improve reception or your bandwidth or whatever with something custom and it doesnt work, that whole board, system or maybe even phone depending on how its built now needs to be replaced.
I dont want to say it, but itis fair for them to not cover your phone if you went above and beyond. True, because we have become digital crackheads we usually become beta testers for their hw/sw but we also have the power of the coin too. You cant fault them if you wanted to improve their bugs/sw. You cant go banging on your drug dealers door either when he sells you some bunk cocaine and you go mix it with drano, just hoping for something and it backfires on you.
I voided my warranty.
Some interesting opinions. If this was made legal there would likely be restrictions placed on what can be changed, and it would likely end up regulated in some way.
The result would be third-party 'illegal' roms and commercially available 'legal' ones.
People like us would likely still be flashing illegal roms with modified clock-speeds etc ; )
Anyone think that they could replace a obd2 ecm/ecu with an android phone?
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Anyone think that they could replace a obd2 ecm/ecu with an android phone?
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I may be wrong, but:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque
ive seen these, they just read parameters from the computer via the obd diagnostic port, what i meant was actually removing the the obd computer and using an android device to receive the incoming sensor data and use the data such as rpm, throttle position, and so forth to advance or retard timing tables and fuel tables to actually run the engine i have tuning software for my honda that i can run and retune my engine with but only from my laptop id like to be able to do this with an android device.
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That's an interesting question and not what I thought it was when I first read your initil post. Reading it literally you're asking about replacing the actual 'brain' that conductor that co-ordinates the entire ignition,fueling,emmisions and other secondary parameters that make the engine run in a harmonious symphony(oh, whatever happened to self metering by atmospheric pressure drop and contact breakers lol). I read it as taking out the OE ecu/ecm/powertrain module or whatever other term you use for it and replacing it with an android device. An interesting exercise but hardly worth the mountain range of problems involved considering you can go out and buy a custom fully programmable ECU anyway.
That is how it sounds though when you say replacing the ecu with an android device. i.e removing the ecu and putting in one running android or a piggyback ecu running amdroid....... i know, i'm being maybe a little too pedantic but it drew me in and made me read the thread and am definitely interested in finding out if there are any android apps that can reprogram or flash an ecu similar to the ones that run on windows.
I've mentioned in another thread I have a deep knowledge and experience in the car side of the equation but my knowledge of computers themselves ranks about 'interested in knowinf more but basically capable of using one n that's it' level. Or tge same as 99.99% of car drivers. They can drive but beyond that all they really know is where to out the petrol in although 100,000s of them will say they know all about cars lol.
In other words, I see know reason why technically there are no equivalent android apps/devices that can do what software packages running windows you use on a laptop. I'm in a similar but different position than you. I really want that ability to remap/flash new firmware onto ecu's except right now I don't have a laptop or desktop of any kind right now. All my online and computer needs are admirably dealt with on my Note 3 so i haven't bothered replacing either my pc or laptop when they passed on.
Was on ebay recently and seen very interesting and potentially useful software claiming to be able communicate fully with any obd1 and 2 ecus allowing you to reset, remap and 'chip' any ecus and also fully set up a new replacement custom reprogrammable ecu too although i am skeptical you could buy one that fully capable for £20 off ebay but they promise full customer support and the ability to download an entire remap for almost any make amd model so perhaps their claims are based on the abilitynof their product rather than merely sales rhetoric.
Anyway, what I mean is I see no reason why if windows can fully communicate with obd2 and android can also read current and pending dtcs, display freeze frame, live data and allow you, if you know the particular formula, to view data with custom PIDs then it seems possible that a software package written for android couldn't be capable of doing wnat these windows/mac programmes can do. I'm sure I've seen linux compatible software for desktops out there so surely an android version is poasible. BUT as i explained my knowledge of computer systems/languages is risible so there may well be a glaringly obvious reason that android is unsuitable (there's probably 1000s of 10 year olds laughing lije mad thinking is this guy stupid or what lol).
BUT if you ever come accross such an software package that runs on android let me know because if not it looks like I'm going to have to go buy this 20 odd quid ebay software AND a bloody laptop on top to bw able to use it
HELLO,
i would like to try to replace the nand chip of my bricked tv box with a new chip
this because the original chip has been damaged shortening two pins trying to put the device in mask rom mode
my device is t-r42 based on rk3188
the price of the nand flash is about $4,
i can found it on some chinese online store
i hope that replacing the nand, my device will go to mask rom mode, enabling me to do the firmware loading through pc (rkbatchtool)
i know that this mode has been designed specifically to load the firmware the first time,
so i hope my device will go to this mode the first time i power on it after replacing it
any suggestion?
any hint?
i know this must be done with :microscopic` attention
thanks!!
Vicolodo said:
HELLO,
i would like to try to replace the nand chip of my bricked tv box with a new chip
this because the original chip has been damaged shortening two pins trying to put the device in mask rom mode
my device is t-r42 based on rk3188
the price of the nand flash is about $4,
i can found it on some chinese online store
i hope that replacing the nand, my device will go to mask rom mode, enabling me to do the firmware loading through pc (rkbatchtool)
i know that this mode has been designed specifically to load the firmware the first time,
so i hope my device will go to this mode the first time i power on it after replacing it
any suggestion?
any hint?
i know this must be done with :microscopic` attention
thanks!!
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your going to have to find someone with a hot air rework station to unmount and or remount a new chip. the thing of it is, the pcb has to have perfect traces,,, 0 damage. even if that is met, unmounting and remounting a new chip in a perfect world takes a lot of skill and experience. will it get you into mask rom mode,,, I would guess yes. far as I understand it, thats a hardware thing not a os thing (os=firmware). Unless its something you just want to tinker with just to see if you can do it I wouldnt bother. Thats just me. I have crashed units over and over and got into mask rom mode doing the pin short, purposely trying different firmwares to see if they would work. I am not sure if mask rom mode will happen with out the pin short on a blank chip. maybe thats another question.
if you find someone local that does rework on surface chips, best bet would be ask them. Also a better answer here at least for me would be a close up picture of the chip you speak of, it would probly tell a thousand words. I have done rework, not in the past 5 years but I have. it takes a extremely steady hand and a good feel for when the solder is fluid. Theres tricks to it, do it wrong and theres no fixing the torn traces. Maybe craiglist would point you to someone who does this sort of work in your area. Possibly a local flat screen tv repair center may be able to direct you to someone local also, they are packed with sm chips.
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stinkster said:
your going to have to find someone with a hot air rework station to unmount and or remount a new chip. the thing of it is, the pcb has to have perfect traces,,, 0 damage. even if that is met, unmounting and remounting a new chip in a perfect world takes a lot of skill and experience. will it get you into mask rom mode,,, I would guess yes. far as I understand it, thats a hardware thing not a os thing (os=firmware). Unless its something you just want to tinker with just to see if you can do it I wouldnt bother. Thats just me. I have crashed units over and over and got into mask rom mode doing the pin short, purposely trying different firmwares to see if they would work. I am not sure if mask rom mode will happen with out the pin short on a blank chip. maybe thats another question.
if you find someone local that does rework on surface chips, best bet would be ask them. Also a better answer here at least for me would be a close up picture of the chip you speak of, it would probly tell a thousand words. I have done rework, not in the past 5 years but I have. it takes a extremely steady hand and a good feel for when the solder is fluid. Theres tricks to it, do it wrong and theres no fixing the torn traces. Maybe craiglist would point you to someone who does this sort of work in your area. Possibly a local flat screen tv repair center may be able to direct you to someone local also, they are packed with sm chips.
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thank you very much,
i will let you know!!
Vicolodo said:
thank you very much,
i will let you know!!
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A quick alternative for establishing that it is only a faulty NAND is to try booting Linux from an SD card. If that works, then you could look around for someone who has created running Android from SD card for your device and you could at least still use your device in the interim.
[Q&A] WiFi stuck on turning on; MAC 02:00:00:00:00:00; G2 G3 G4 G5 Nexus5 Nexus 7 etc
Hi!
If you are reading this now, you are probably one of the unlucky fellows who's WiFi (and Bluetooth) stopped functioning, and if so, you are probably deperately searching for a solution/fix. I might have something for you, but first:
*** DISCLAIMER/WARNING ***
You yourself are exclusively responsible for whatever may (or may not) happen to your mobile device, to yourself or others. I am only giving hints/advices here that *MAY* help, but I will not take any responsability, nor will I provide any support, in absolutely *ANY CASE*, including, but not limited to: your problem not being solved or/and your mobile device becoming partially or completely broken. Let me be very clear: If you do anything to your device rendering it useless, destroying it, seriously or fataly injuring you or others, and then come blaming me or/and cry for help, I will point my index finger at you and laugh at you. Period.
If you are a impatient person and want to get straight to the point, jump right to section 6.
Table of Contents
0. Foreword
1. Description of the problem
2. Urgent advice
3. Things that didn't work
4. There is little hope
5. My most obvious advice
6. LET'S GET SERIOUS!
6.a Sellotape / Scotch tape
6.b Refrigerator / Freezer
6.c Oven
0. Foreword
Two or three months ago, one fine morning, the WiFi/BT of my LG G2 suddenly stopped working. Initially I thought this would be only one stupid annoying minor thingy, that I’d be able to solve it fast. I was wrong.
1. Description of the problem
When turning on the WiFi, it would just stay in "Turning on..." forever. Similar thing for Bluetooth: It would stay on for a few seconds and then turn itself off again after. (But then, who needs Bluetooth anyway, WiFi ist probably 100 times more important...). I have thoroughly searched the internet, and I found quite some videos with exactly the same problem (remove the two blanks from the links to watch):
h ttps://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=fRGnQz1zUmw
h ttps://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=4W8YJMDFM88
h ttp://w ww.dailymotion.com/video/x2cuyjt_nexus-5-turning-wifi-on-frozen-problem_tech
2. Urgent advice
I want to prevent you from wasting countless hours searching for a solution - I wasted so much of my time already, no need for you to repeat that. Therefore: *Please* be aware that there is a VERY HIGH PROBABILITY that this issue is being caused by a hardware defect. I can not speak for all devices of course, but keep in mind that the main reason I wasted so much time, was me beliving it was some software issue! See the next section for a glimpse of stuff I have tried without any success:
3. Things that *DIDN'T* work
01. Restarting WiFi/Bluetooth several times
02. Rebooting the phone
03. Turning airplane mode on/off several times
04. Slapping/hitting the phone (this was indeed suggested in a forum)
05. Using WiFi-Fixer apps
06. Resetting to factory settings
07. Upgrading to newest Android version
08. Fully drained the battery and left it uncharged for several hours
(Rooted the phone)
09. Deleting the /data/misc/wifi/wpa_supplicant.conf
10. Deleting the whole /data/misc/wifi folder
11. Creating a file named ".bdaddr" in /persist/bluetooth containing a MAC-Address in hexadecimal format
12. Creating a file named ".macaddr" in /persist/wifi containing a MAC-Address in hexadecimal format
13. Flashing several custom ROMs to it (CyanogenMod, ParanoidAndroid, ...)
14. Going back to stock ROM
15. etc. etc. etc.
16. Several combinations and permutations of the above
4. There is little hope
Again, as the cause of the problem is most likely a hardware issue, I don't recommend going through all the steps as described in the previous section; however, though none of the steps worked for me, this doesn't mean that none won't work for you neither; you might be luckier than I was. In that case, enjoy your restored WiFi and be happy.
5. My most obvious advice
You need to replace the motherboard (main board) of your device.
Honestly, if you can afford it and it doesn't cause too many inconveniences to you, you'll be better off by simply buying a new device. If you don't want to buy a new device, send it in for repairs. If you don't want to do that as well, you'll have to fallback to a DIY solution:
I. Buy a new main board for your device. Be careful to get exactly the right component for your specific model. If you dont find any shop selling those, there are plenty of individuals out there that own devices with broken displays. You dont need the displays, you need the motherboard. Buy one such broken device, and you'll have your main board replacement.
II. Replace your main board or let someone else do it for you
Continues below.
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6. LET'S GET SERIOUS!
If you are reading this, you either didn't read or you decided not to follow my most obvious advice in section 5. So be it. If you want to carry on from here, be sure to re-read my disclaimer at the top of my post.
There are 3 DIY possible fixes for the WiFi problem - none is guaranteed. I will describe them from the most harmless to the most kamikaze/deadliest. All of them will require you to open your device; if you are not careful and damage any of the components inside, you will end up with a worse device than before - but hey, don't say I didn't warn you.
At this point we assume that the cause of the problem is a faulty solder joint of your WiFi IC. The goal is to try to restore that solder joint. To do that, you will have to:
I. Open your device
II. Find your main board and separate it from all connected plugs
III. Find / identify the WiFi IC chip on the main board. I recommend searching for a service manual for your device, or/and searching for a disassembly video for your device; you need to know which one of the chips on the main board is the WiFi one.
Once you have identified your WiFi chip, you have 3 options, which you may combine with each other, but I recommend to try them out one-by-one as follows:
6.a Sellotape / Scotch tape
You need to make sure that your WiFi chip is pressed against the main board (ideally, this ensures the broken contacts touch each other, solving the problem). The best way to achieve this, is to attach a series of tape strips on the top of the WiFi chip, causing it to be pressed against the main board by the surrounding cover/hull once you reassemble/close the device. The tape strips are just a suggestion, do whatever you find convenient as long as you ensure that the chip is pushed against the board at all times.
This method may solve the WiFi problem already. When you turn your device back on, give it some time (5-10 minutes) and reboot it a few times if the problem still persists. My own WiFi didn't function right away, but after a while it finally recovered - hurray!
6.b Refrigerator / Freezer
Instead of using the tape as described in 6.a, you may first try to put your motherboard in a fridge for a few hours/days. But make sure to put it there in a plastic bag, and avoid moisture as much as you can, specially when taking it out of the fridge. Make sure its completely dry before reassembling your device!
By the way, try the refrigerator option BEFORE you try the freezer option!
6.c Oven
If everything else fails, the oven might be your last chance. This is not a joke, but as you probably can assume, it is "All-In" i.e. highly risky. The theory behind this is that high temperature will cause defective solder joints to reflow, reconnecting and thus fixing the problem.
You should only try this as a matter of last ressort. Be warned that you may fully destroy your main board, and there is a high chance that you will. Also, you may cause serious injury to yourself or others. Make sure you make backups of your data first. DO NOT BAKE THE WHOLE DEVICE, ONLY THE MAIN BOARD. DO NOT BAKE THE BATTERY!!
If you are still reading:
I. pre-heat your oven to 385° Fahrenheit (196° Celsius)
II. put your main board in the oven, bake it there for 7 minutes
III. remove from the oven, let it cool down until every component of the board has room temperature
Finally, here is a video of a guy doing a similar thing, but with a heat gun:
h ttps://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=A4n0j3uaS7E
Ok, this is all, I hope I could help you.
Good luck!
Summary
Hello all,
first of all, I want to thank brysclar and xbing6 for their valuable feedback! Thanks a lot guys! :good:
Now, in an effort to update this thread and in an effort of trying to summarize it in fewer words (my disclaimer above applies!):
- The described problem seems to affect mainly (all kinds of) LG devices
- The issue seems to be caused by a defective soldering of the Wi-Fi chip on the main board
- The defect seems to be induced by dropping or/and overheating the device; recharging the battery, big/long app or android updates or the flashing of custom roms could cause excessive heating
- brysclar pointed out that replacing the battery might solve the problem (I haven't tried this out myself, so I can neither deny nor confirm this)
- My recommended solution is 6.a - applying pressure on the Wi-Fi chip, pushing it against the main board, using tape stripes
- There is a video of a brasilean guy doing some similar, but using pieces of an old credit card instead of tape strips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkdva2iOag BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT HE IS APPLYING THE PRESSURE ON A RANDOM SPOT, NOT DIRECTLY TO THE WIFI CHIP! It *may* work for you, but if it doesn't, find/identify your Wi-Fi chip and apply the pressure there
- If everything else fails, and only as a matter of last ressort, you may try what I have written in 6.c
So... this thread has over 500 views, but not one single reply.
Guys... what has your experience been? Have you tried anything out from the posts above, and if so, what was the result? Did it help you? Do you recommend anything? Has something else, not written here, worked for you?
There are a lot of people out there having the same problem. It would be great if you could give any feedback, share anything that helps the community.
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I honestly didn't see this post before. You really covered every detail very well. So far, returning my G3 to stock and replacing the battery has fixed it for me. Weird. I know. I did try 90% of the things on your "things that don't work" list and you are correct. They don't work.
wlanmac 02/00/00/00/00, Bluetooth is OK
Hey, i just got an LG LS990 with same Wifi issue and i'm ready to try so WITNESS ME!
Thanks for an amazing and detailed post lml
Simply awesome.
I have similar issue with my Nexus 5x. It is QCA6174 hw 3.2 chip, lspci does not detect this chip any more. I am going to do a little bit investigation from device driver (cnss) perspective. It enables one GPIO to provide power to this WiFi chip, I will try read back this GPIO status to see if it is enabled. I do not have the schematics, I do not know how to check if power is supplied to this wifi chip.
lspci used to show below:
$ ./lspci
00:00.0 PCI bridge: Airgo Networks Inc Device 0300 (rev ff)
01:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 003e (rev ff) (this is qca6174)
If kernel driver investigation does not reveal anything helpful, I will ask other guys to replace the chip.
I thought it is because of vendor partition is accidentally wiped out, maybe it is unlikely.
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As Bluetooth can not be turned either, I am tending to think this is hardware related as well. As described previously, I will see if I can check that gpio status.
investigating
xbing6 said:
I have similar issue with my Nexus 5x.
(...)
I am going to do a little bit investigation
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Hi xbing, and thank you for your feedback! :good:
I am really curious and looking forward to hear the results of your investigation! I believe that in your case, too, the Wi-Fi/BT chip is not being supplied correctly due to a defective soldering. Note that I don't think that the chip itself is defective, only the contacts between the chip and the main board. So, before replacing the chip, I'd recommend to first try what I've written in 6.a (or check my update/summary above).
Keep us posted about everything you find out!
Sprint declined to fix my LS990 due to "water damage" being the reason for it not working, and wanted to charge me a $150 deductible for a $100 phone. Shimming the WiFi chip against the metal covering with some thermal pad I had lying around and adding a bit of sticky foam on top of the ribbon cable for the camera worked great! Much thanks!
Tomcat5 said:
Sprint declined to fix my LS990 due to "water damage" being the reason for it not working, and wanted to charge me a $150 deductible for a $100 phone. Shimming the WiFi chip against the metal covering with some thermal pad I had lying around and adding a bit of sticky foam on top of the ribbon cable for the camera worked great! Much thanks!
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Any idea if thermal paste/grease could work?
unlikely
NavHur said:
Any idea if thermal paste/grease could work?
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Hi NavHur,
since the problem is mostly caused by a loose Wi-Fi chip, respectively a defective solder joint, using thermal paste or grease is unlikely to help; again, what you need to do is to have your Wi-Fi chip pushed against your main board. You can use your imagination on how to accomplish this; what Tomcat5 described he did ultimately led to exactly having his chip being pressed against the board.
Of course you are free to try whatever you want - if you find new solutions please post some feedback.
Good luck.
NimbleWeasel said:
Hi NavHur,
since the problem is mostly caused by a loose Wi-Fi chip, respectively a defective solder joint, using thermal paste or grease is unlikely to help; again, what you need to do is to have your Wi-Fi chip pushed against your main board. You can use your imagination on how to accomplish this; what Tomcat5 described he did ultimately led to exactly having his chip being pressed against the board.
Of course you are free to try whatever you want - if you find new solutions please post some feedback.
Good luck.
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Thanks you so much, I placed a small piece of plastic above the wifi chip and one next to the camera lens. Now the wifi works fine. However my screen was pushed up so it bended a little. The faulty thing was my battery, not the added plastic. I compared mine with the one of a friend, mine was 1 mm bigger. (also with the battery of my friend's g3 the screen was fine)
I'll be changing it soon.
same problem as u but sometimes wifi works(mainly fully charged) and sometimes dont
i have lg g2 D802 model. It had a wifi problem as u shown in your videos,my phone also behaves same like yours but sometimes it works normally like while charging,works like 2 or 3 times a day(for 5-10 min).please tell me whether my phone got ic problem or software issue
Pratap94 said:
i have lg g2 D802 model. It had a wifi problem as u shown in your videos,my phone also behaves same like yours but sometimes it works normally like while charging,works like 2 or 3 times a day(for 5-10 min).please tell me whether my phone got ic problem or software issue
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Hi Pratap94,
nobody, neither here in this forum nor elsewhere in the internet, will be able to give you a reliable answer without having a *physical* look at your phone. Nobody.
However, I can give you my opinion, based on the stuff you wrote: The fact that it works normally sometimes, specially while charging (probably it heats up in the process?), indeed seems to indicate a hardware issue. I believe you have a loose Wi-Fi chip i.e. a defective solder joint, like I had on my LG G2 D802 as well. I solved my problem by doing the stuff I described in 6.a.
Good luck.
Thank you so much
NimbleWeasel said:
Hello all,
first of all, I want to thank brysclar and xbing6 for their valuable feedback! Thanks a lot guys! :good:
Problem solved good bless you!! the problem is fix in that youtube video XD
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Sadly step 6.a did not help me. Well, it worked for first 5-10 minutes and then back again.
Olzhas18 said:
Sadly step 6.a did not help me. Well, it worked for first 5-10 minutes and then back again.
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Hi Olzhas18,
that might be an indication that your WiFi chip is still a bit loose and is not sitting tight enough on the main board. On LG G2, it is difficult to push the chip against the board because it's covered by a metal cover...
Also, did you check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkdva2iOag ?
Good luck!
NimbleWeasel said:
Hi Olzhas18,
that might be an indication that your WiFi chip is still a bit loose and is not sitting tight enough on the main board. On LG G2, it is difficult to push the chip against the board because it's covered by a metal cover...
Also, did you check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkdva2iOag ?
Good luck!
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Thank you this tip and this whole thread. I have seen this video, but still the same effect. 5-10 minutes, I can rean some news and back to flashing. I'm going to buy Huawei Honor 8 soon, it was the last chance to recover my G4. I doubt I will purchase any other phone from LG.
Same boat
But bluetooth working
In cm roms also wifi tethring can be onn
But u cnt turn onn wifi
I had the same issue, can't turn on Wifi after factory reset.
I turn off my device off after one hour and reboot wifi was OK but when I want to upgrade some apps iwifi turn of again and my phone reboot with no SIM card.
I do "6.a Sellotape / Scotch tape" + a creedit card cut with this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_0jzp65eLY#t=73.319872
My LG G2 works fine
I have a Pixel XL that's hardbricked. Took it to a GSM shop they said the charging port works but something something CPU fried. No gsm shop in our city can fix this apparently but he heard that some folks could do it in New York City.
I don't want to recover the phone, just the data on it. Do you guys know shops that can do this ?
gtech99 said:
I have a Pixel XL that's hardbricked. Took it to a GSM shop they said the charging port works but something something CPU fried. No gsm shop in our city can fix this apparently but he heard that some folks could do it in New York City.
I don't want to recover the phone, just the data on it. Do you guys know shops that can do this ?
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Not at any reasonable price point. What happened to the phone? Recovering the data from the flash devices would involve prohibitively expensive forensic data recovery, to the point of removing the flash devices from the board and interfacing with them using special tools. The people who have the means and the knowledge to do this are few and far between. Assuming there's no physical damage, someone with the Qualcomm Product Support Tool software and the appropriate binaries could potentially perform a low level reflash so the phone will boot...but again, the people who are actually able to do this are few and far between, assuming they even have the necessary files (which are not publicly available). The average repair shop will just replace the board, which means all the data is never recovered.
gtech99 said:
I have a Pixel XL that's hardbricked. Took it to a GSM shop they said the charging port works but something something CPU fried.
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Speaking of a fried CPU, it means due to overheating CPU’s electrical components like transistors, diodes or capacitors are burned up. You will find overheating happened with some CPUs which didn’t have any fail-safe features or were overclocked by pushing high voltage. Sometimes using a faulty motherboard and faulty PSU can do this type of damage.becauseSo, you if you really ended up with a fried CPU, what is quite rare these days because, as said, modern CPUs have advanced thermal protection ( CPU will shut down automatically if it reaches a high temperature. If CPU temperature rises high due to high clock speed then it reduces the clock speed to a lower level ), you will have the worst luck to recover data from phone.
Note: it’s not possible to fix a fried CPU. Try to replace it with a new one.
V0latyle said:
Not at any reasonable price point. What happened to the phone? Recovering the data from the flash devices would involve prohibitively expensive forensic data recovery, to the point of removing the flash devices from the board and interfacing with them using special tools. The people who have the means and the knowledge to do this are few and far between. Assuming there's no physical damage, someone with the Qualcomm Product Support Tool software and the appropriate binaries could potentially perform a low level reflash so the phone will boot...but again, the people who are actually able to do this are few and far between, assuming they even have the necessary files (which are not publicly available). The average repair shop will just replace the board, which means all the data is never recovered.
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I haven't done anything special with this phone. Never rooted it or installed other bootloaders, etc. It was a generic bland Pixel XL. It might have overheated a few times in the summer when I was using it in my car for Waze but otherwise nothing.
Before it shutdown for good it had some strange reboots and I think I recall there was some Pixel bug that was causing that. After doing that for a few weeks it stopped turning on completely.
Isn't a procedure like this available for the Pixel ?
https://flashfixers.com/recover-data-dead-phone-chip-off-data-recovery/
gtech99 said:
I haven't done anything special with this phone. Never rooted it or installed other bootloaders, etc. It was a generic bland Pixel XL. It might have overheated a few times in the summer when I was using it in my car for Waze but otherwise nothing.
Before it shutdown for good it had some strange reboots and I think I recall there was some Pixel bug that was causing that. After doing that for a few weeks it stopped turning on completely.
Isn't a procedure like this available for the Pixel ?
https://flashfixers.com/recover-data-dead-phone-chip-off-data-recovery/
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That's what I was referring to by removing the flash device from the PCB. You would need fairly specialized tools, incluing a reader that's able to interface with the chip, and you'd have to have significant knowledge of how to interpret the raw data as the actual file structure. If you can find someone who thinks they can do this, good luck...but if it were me, I'd be charging about $150 an hour to do it.
And, this is all assuming that the data isn't encrypted. If it is (which Android does by default) then you're SOL.
V0latyle said:
That's what I was referring to by removing the flash device from the PCB. You would need fairly specialized tools, incluing a reader that's able to interface with the chip, and you'd have to have significant knowledge of how to interpret the raw data as the actual file structure. If you can find someone who thinks they can do this, good luck...but if it were me, I'd be charging about $150 an hour to do it.
And, this is all assuming that the data isn't encrypted. If it is (which Android does by default) then you're SOL.
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Ah, ok. I'd pay 300$ to have this recovered is that reasonable ? Or it might be way more than that ? Guess I need to find a shop that does this sort of thing
gtech99 said:
Ah, ok. I'd pay 300$ to have this recovered is that reasonable ? Or it might be way more than that ? Guess I need to find a shop that does this sort of thing
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Best of luck to you, honestly I think the money would be better spent elsewhere.