Does the Pixel 7 or Pixel 7 Pro have audio DAC?
How good is the sound compared to other DAC devices with 32-bit/384kHz audio?
I am going to answer very ignorantly from my pow. Every device has a DAC as an obligation. The bitrate supported varies on the dac, but what you are specifying (32/384) is audiophile level that wouldn't be included on a phone. OnePlus 10 Pro is the first device I have seen in GSMArena that includes in its specs a 24/192 dac, but never found much information about it nor tried it to see if there was any difference in its quality. I own a NextDrive Spectra, which goes to 32/384 and it enhances the sound a lot. But again, sound quality is very subjective and specific to each ear....
I don't believe it has a DAC but don't quote me on that. I'm answering ignorantly as well, lol.
DAC = Digital to Analog Converter. Speakers are analog. The CPU is digital. If you hear sound, it must have a DAC.
History lesson: In the before time, cell phones were analog. They did not have DAC's. Starting with the very first digital cell phone, EVERY cell phone since then has had a DAC.
>`xW0 said:
Does the Pixel 7 or Pixel 7 Pro have audio DAC?
How good is the sound compared to other DAC devices with 32-bit/384kHz audio?
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The real question is what's the output from the C port in the digital realm. An external DAC is needed but is limited by the resolution of the digital output. In P6's it sucked.
Can't find any specs for it in the P7's... which isn't a good sign. Both Samsung and Sony spec theirs out.
blackhawk said:
The real question is what's the output from the C port in the digital realm.
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Probably defaults to 48 khz, but being USB, if you really want to crank it up, you just have to edit some configuration files.
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Probably defaults to 48 khz, but being USB, if you really want to crank it up, you just have to edit some configuration files.
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If it's hardware is capable of it*.
Samsung's and Sony's certainly are. With Samsung's it's easy to do in settings.
*Often when a manufacturer doesn't spec it out it's because they don't have it! I did multiple searches and couldn't find any source that said they supported high resolution digital output.
blackhawk said:
If it's hardware is capable of it*.
Samsung's and Sony's certainly are. With Samsung's it's easy to do in settings.
*Often when a manufacturer doesn't spec it out it's because they don't have it! I did multiple searches and couldn't find any source that said they supported high resolution digital output.
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It goes without saying that the usb dongle you plug into it would have to be capable of the settings you are applying. If you're referring to the phone itself, there is nothing there to be capable of anything because you're talking about a USB device. The phone's hardware capabilities do not apply beyond simply whether or not the USB port can supply data fast enough -- bits per second. 384 kHz x 32 bits per sample x 2 channels = 24.576 Mbit/s
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It goes without saying that the usb dongle you plug into it would have to be capable of the settings you are applying. If you're referring to the phone itself, there is nothing there to be capable of anything because you're talking about a USB device. The phone's hardware capabilities do not apply beyond simply whether or not the USB port can supply data fast enough -- bits per second. 384 kHz x 32 bits per sample x 2 channels = 24.576 Mbit/s
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Where does it claim this device supports 32 bit resolution audio output in the digital realm?
Nowhere, right?
Does it even support 24 bit?
20 bit?
There's no doubt with the N975U1 specs:
3.5mm jackNo 32-bit/384kHz audio
Tuned by AKG
You need to buy a dongle with DAC. I dont recommend the Apple one, audio is extremely low.
I haven't another one yet, still searching.
blackhawk said:
Where does it claim this device supports 32 bit resolution audio output in the digital realm?
Nowhere, right?
Does it even support 24 bit?
20 bit?
There's no doubt with the N975U1 specs:
3.5mm jackNo32-bit/384kHz audio
Tuned by AKG
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Your message indicates a lack of understanding of how audio systems work.
You are showing a 3.5mm jack, which is analog, which means that the audio specs are connected to the DAC that is between the CPU and the plug.
When you are looking at USB audio output, the DAC is in the USB dongle, which means that the host has NO BEARING on the limits. The "digital realm" doesn't give a damn about what the sample size, rate, or number of channels are. It just sends out a stream of bits.
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Your message indicates a lack of understanding of how audio systems work.
You are showing a 3.5mm jack, which is analog, which means that the audio specs are connected to the DAC that is between the CPU and the plug.
When you are looking at USB audio output, the DAC is in the USB dongle, which means that the host has NO BEARING on the limits. The "digital realm" doesn't give a damn about what the sample size, rate, or number of channels are. It just sends out a stream of bits.
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Is that all you got?
You call that a counterpoint?
You're the one that's being inept. So is the Pixel 18 bit audio out?
Let's see the digital out audio specs for this model. A link.
blackhawk said:
Is that all you got?
You call that a counterpoint?
You're the one that's being inept. So is the Pixel 18 bit audio out?
Let's see the digital out audio specs for this model. A link.
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I'm not going to try arguing with someone as ignorant as you. Have a nice day.
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I'm not going to try arguing with someone as ignorant as you. Have a nice day.
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Sucks when ^this^ you're only usable retort
Allow me to rephrase and expand my response... and yes, yes I'm greatly enjoying this.
The audio specs for the P7 pro
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackNo
Yeah, that's it. That's all that's been released other than the codecs it can use. THAT tells nothing about it's resolution ie bit depth or sampling rate for USB digital output output. Is Gookill lying by omission, again?
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Sucks when ^this^ you're only usable retort
Allow me to rephrase and expand my response... and yes, yes I'm greatly enjoying this.
The audio specs for the P7 pro
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackNo
Yeah, that's it. That's all that's been released other than the codecs it can use. THAT tells nothing about it's resolution ie bit depth or sampling rate for USB digital output output. Is Gookill lying by omission, again?
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He's not incorrect. The USB dongle does all the processing, the phone has nothing to do with it. In fact the DAC when using USB-C for audio is actually in the USB-C device, including the headphones.
How USB-C headphones work
USB Type-C headphones and dongles are increasingly common, but do you know the difference between active and passive products?
www.soundguys.com
The standalone USB DAC replaces the DAC that would have been in the headphones.
EtherealRemnant said:
He's not incorrect. The USB dongle does all the processing, the phone has nothing to do with it. In fact the DAC when using USB-C for audio is actually in the USB-C device, including the headphones.
How USB-C headphones work
USB Type-C headphones and dongles are increasingly common, but do you know the difference between active and passive products?
www.soundguys.com
The standalone USB DAC replaces the DAC that would have been in the headphones.
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That's not the issue. I'm well aware of how the DAC works. It the resolution and sampling rate that is provided by this Pixel to the external DAC.
I made that pretty clear.
blackhawk said:
That's not the issue. I'm well aware of how the DAC works. It the resolution and sampling rate that is provided by this Pixel to the external DAC.
I made that pretty clear.
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That's irrelevant as the data is provided unconverted to the DAC. The DAC does the conversion. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.
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That's irrelevant as the data is provided unconverted to the DAC. The DAC does the conversion. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.
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Yes, and to further that point, those devices that list rate and depth specifications are listing those for the *built in* DAC that feeds the headphone jack and speakers.
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That's irrelevant as the data is provided unconverted to the DAC. The DAC does the conversion. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you.
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That doesn't mean that Android isn't down sampling the digital image...
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That doesn't mean that Android isn't down sampling the digital image...
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Well if it is, then change the configuration file where its being restricted, or don't feed it through Android media subsystem -- you can use the DAC directly as a USB device.
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Hi everyone,
I know this has been confirmed elsewhere on the net, but I didn't see anything here so thought I would pass this on to the more hardcore audio fans here.
I tried all my USB DACs last night - RSA Intruder, Apex Glacier, HeadAmp Pico, Leckterton UHA-6S.MKII and all are working with the Xperia Z.
great news! thanks mate!
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I recently got the MW1 (only €19!!!) and learned about DACs (apparently there's a pretty good one inside, Wolfson). Now using this together with the MDR-1R and my Xperia Z! Really nice.
The DACs you are talking about are standalones? How would you use these and why? And why so many? Sry noob questions, but would really like to know.
Yeah, standalone DACs/amps. You would use these because they give you better sound quality than the phone itself does, and also the amplification makes them able to drive less sensitive headphones, which phones are unsuited for. Now that Sony, HTC, and Samsung all have USB audio in their phones it means I never have to care how good or bad my phones inbuilt sound quality is, I know I'll always have awesome sound quality regardless.
As for why so many, well, no particular reason apart from I wanted to know which I liked best and I'm taking my sweet time about deciding!
moraal said:
I recently got the MW1 (only €19!!!) and learned about DACs (apparently there's a pretty good one inside, Wolfson). Now using this together with the MDR-1R and my Xperia Z! Really nice.
The DACs you are talking about are standalones? How would you use these and why? And why so many? Sry noob questions, but would really like to know.
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Where did you get it for 19 euros from?
L11 said:
Where did you get it for 19 euros from?
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It was a temporary offer from Studentmobiel, the dutch company where I ordered my XZ. Ridiculously good offer
NZtechfreak said:
Yeah, standalone DACs/amps. You would use these because they give you better sound quality than the phone itself does, and also the amplification makes them able to drive less sensitive headphones, which phones are unsuited for. Now that Sony, HTC, and Samsung all have USB audio in their phones it means I never have to care how good or bad my phones inbuilt sound quality is, I know I'll always have awesome sound quality regardless.
As for why so many, well, no particular reason apart from I wanted to know which I liked best and I'm taking my sweet time about deciding!
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Thanks for the explanation.
What do you mean by less sensitive headphones?
If I understand, newer model phones all have a DAC inside already?
In my case, because there's a Wolfson DAC in the MW1, would you recommend using MW1 or just using Xperia Z (in the case of audio quality) ?
PlugAndPlay
Is it a simple plugAndPlay or do you have to restart the phone with the DAC plugged in?
Would love to attach a Behringer X302 to my (future) Xperia Z
It's only 42Euro at Thomann.de
According to the Android App USBAudioRecorderPRO
i can record a signal with the Xperia Z (hopefully)
Think that output is also possible?
Mixermachine said:
Is it a simple plugAndPlay or do you have to restart the phone with the DAC plugged in?
Would love to attach a Behringer X302 to my (future) Xperia Z
It's only 42Euro at Thomann.de
According to the Android App USBAudioRecorderPRO
i can record a signal with the Xperia Z (hopefully)
Think that output is also possible?
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Simple plug and play, USB Audio Recorder Pro not required.
moraal said:
Thanks for the explanation.
What do you mean by less sensitive headphones?
If I understand, newer model phones all have a DAC inside already?
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All phones have a DAC inside, a DAC is a digital to analog converter, and is required for the playback of digital music and sound.
The advantage of bypassing the phones internal DAC, which is what is being done with USB audio, is that if a phone has a poor DAC (or good DAC that is poorly implemented for that matter) you're not stuck with that.
Headphones and IEMs have varying sensitivity to a given input signal - some require more power to drive effectively (and when I say drive effectively I mean drive to both good listening volume levels and adequately control the driver of the headphone to get the best from it). That's a fairly simplistic and ham-fisted explanation right there to get the basic gist across, if you really want to understand 'sensitivity' you should take a look at somewhere like Head-Fi and so some reading about sensitivity and input impedance (for starters). As a general rule IEMs tend to be more sensitive than full-sized headphones.
NZtechfreak said:
Simple plug and play, USB Audio Recorder Pro not required.
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Input and Out?
What happens when you connect a USB Hub.
Would love to connect a external powered USB Hub, a cheap DAC and my Samson G-Track USB Microphone )
Mixermachine said:
Input and Out?
What happens when you connect a USB Hub.
Would love to connect a external powered USB Hub, a cheap DAC and my Samson G-Track USB Microphone )
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I haven't tried input, I expect that will require USB Audio Recorder Pro. I can check that with my generic Logitech mic.
Connection via a hub should work fine, at least for output, have done that with my S3 and Note II and it's fine. Not sure about simultaneous input and output via a hub though.
NZtechfreak said:
All phones have a DAC inside, a DAC is a digital to analog converter, and is required for the playback of digital music and sound.
The advantage of bypassing the phones internal DAC, which is what is being done with USB audio, is that if a phone has a poor DAC (or good DAC that is poorly implemented for that matter) you're not stuck with that.
Headphones and IEMs have varying sensitivity to a given input signal - some require more power to drive effectively (and when I say drive effectively I mean drive to both good listening volume levels and adequately control the driver of the headphone to get the best from it). That's a fairly simplistic and ham-fisted explanation right there to get the basic gist across, if you really want to understand 'sensitivity' you should take a look at somewhere like Head-Fi and so some reading about sensitivity and input impedance (for starters). As a general rule IEMs tend to be more sensitive than full-sized headphones.
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Thanks, clear explanation!
I've read several reviews on head-fi, but when it comes to the details, I have no clue what they're talking about ;p Soundstages and subbass and all that. I do want to learn though, would you have any other recommended sites fot this kind of information?
USB audio out works plug and play with my Fiio E07K. Makes the MDR-1R sound awesome!
@NZtechfreak
Youve got me thinking :thumbup:
Is it possible to yplug a micro usb into the Xperia z which splits on the other end into two usbs -
One for the dac the other for charging?
Ive got an idea brewing...
Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 2
I'm getting back my Audio-GD NFB-3.32... Upgraded to USB 32... wonder if that'll work with the XZ.... cause i believe that even in windows, a driver needs to be installed...
DarkKrypt said:
@NZtechfreak
Youve got me thinking :thumbup:
Is it possible to yplug a micro usb into the Xperia z which splits on the other end into two usbs -
One for the dac the other for charging?
Ive got an idea brewing...
Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 2
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You can use a Y-split cable according to some at Head-Fi, however I believe it will only charge the attached peripheral and not the phone.
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I'm getting back my Audio-GD NFB-3.32... Upgraded to USB 32... wonder if that'll work with the XZ.... cause i believe that even in windows, a driver needs to be installed...
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Probably not if driver installation is required. I have the Audio-GD Reference 10 by the way, they make some stunning gear.
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Hi everyone,
I know this has been confirmed elsewhere on the net, but I didn't see anything here so thought I would pass this on to the more hardcore audio fans here.
I tried all my USB DACs last night - RSA Intruder, Apex Glacier, HeadAmp Pico, Leckterton UHA-6S.MKII and all are working with the Xperia Z.
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Hi, I am really interested in knowing more. Could you tell me how you plugged the Xperia Z? Is it a direct plug and play using USB out from the Z. ANY SPECIAL CABLE NEEDED OR JUST THE CHARGER USB CABLE?
Appreciate the info. :good:
Hi,
I'm very interested in this thread.
I bought that device for my xperia z, ESI Dr. dac nano.
But it doesn't work "power consumption error message", because this dac is usb powered :s.
I think the xperia z will only accept dac/AMP which work with their own battery, do you have a device to test this ?
i'm also very interested in the hrt microstreamer but it is also usb powered, so i won't buy it until i have a proof it can work with an xperia z.
I think your not new in "the word of usb dac/amp" could you give me an advice if i want to buy a battery powered usb dac/amp, as small as possible and with a sound as good as the microstreamer(only basing on review :s)?
cedou97yon said:
Hi,
I'm very interested in this thread.
I bought that device for my xperia z, ESI Dr. dac nano.
But it doesn't work "power consumption error message", because this dac is usb powered :s.
I think the xperia z will only accept dac/AMP which work with their own battery, do you have a device to test this ?
i'm also very interested in the hrt microstreamer but it is also usb powered, so i won't buy it until i have a proof it can work with an xperia z.
I think your not new in "the word of usb dac/amp" could you give me an advice if i want to buy a battery powered usb dac/amp, as small as possible and with a sound as good as the microstreamer(only basing on review :s)?
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You are right in that you need a self powerd amp/dac. I suggest the Sony PHA-1.
By any chance do you know if for Xperias equiped with 4.1 Jellybean connection to outside amp/dacs is plug n play or do you need special app?
Without a 3.5mm headphone jack, you cannot charge your phone while you are listening to the music, watching movie or play games.
This adapter can kill your pain above.
Link: https://amzn.to/2mi2BXL
What's special?
1. Hi-Res sound quality with a qualified DAC - 96KHz/24 Bits (Phone to headphone), ADC - 48KHz / 16 Bits (Mic to phone)
2. Max 3A fast charging
Teclover Bill said:
Without a 3.5mm headphone jack, you cannot charge your phone while you are listening to the music, watching movie or play games.
This adapter can kill your pain above.
Link: https://amzn.to/2mi2BXL
What's special?
1. Hi-Res sound quality with a qualified DAC - 96KHz/24 Bits (Phone to headphone), ADC - 48KHz / 16 Bits (Mic to phone)
2. Max 3A fast charging
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problem is solved with a QI wireless charger, I bought the Samsung S9 wireless charger which is also a stand and is highly rated and can be bought for less than $30, it is a fine piece of kit
Why would you want/need an external DAC when the XZ2P supposedly does 24bit/192KHz decoding on board? I say supposedly because I have not been able to verify that spec on my own XZ2P yet. I use Neutron audio player and the current version as of today only sees 48KHz hardware. The built-in Sony player blows chunks and gives no technical information whatsoever. I can't find an app to verify the underlying audio hardware.
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Why would you want/need an external DAC when the XZ2P supposedly does 24bit/192KHz decoding on board? I say supposedly because I have not been able to verify that spec on my own XZ2P yet. I use Neutron audio player and the current version as of today only sees 48KHz hardware. The built-in Sony player blows chunks and gives no technical information whatsoever. I can't find an app to verify the underlying audio hardware.
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I hate to reply to my own post, but I just verified that it DOES have the hi-res hardware via the instructions in this Neutron forum thread:
http://neutronmp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4014
I wasn't using the "generic" driver within Neutron and that was the problem. Now that I did, Neutron is working perfectly with the XZ2P! Neutron now shows that it is in fact playing to hi-res audio hardware! It may even be 32-bit, 8 channel, and go up to 384kHz! I'm pretty happy about that. It sounds incredible! Contrary to item #4, I was able to set Neutron up to use the Sony DSP and it works perfectly!
I know these are only $20.00 earbuds but has anyone compared? I read usb-c is better because the processing is done in the buds vs. on the phone for 3.5mm.
I ordered and received my OP6 with accessories one being the USB-C Bullets (by mistake choosing the wrong power play bundle). They didn't work and I was going to return them until I found out enabling OTG enabled them. It is kind of a hassle having to enable OTG every time though. But if the output is better?
georgiapi said:
I know these are only $20.00 earbuds but has anyone compared? I read usb-c is better because the processing is done in the buds vs. on the phone for 3.5mm.
I ordered and received my OP6 with accessories one being the USB-C Bullets (by mistake choosing the wrong power play bundle). They didn't work and I was going to return them until I found out enabling OTG enabled them. It is kind of a hassle having to enable OTG every time though. But if the output is better?
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The sound quality of a playback from any device is a relative thing. You can't measure quality but only compare it by and for yourself, still, only subjectively. You have to judge $20 earbuds and ask yourself: are they good enough for me? If the answer is 'No' then you try something else.
Some people rely on 1 to 5 Star ratings posted by the seller, that could be deceiving too.
I came from an s7 edge and I felt that the 3.5mm jack output quality was not as good in op6. So it would be interesting to know if maybe usb c audio is better
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I came from an s7 edge and I felt that the 3.5mm jack output quality was not as good in op6. So it would be interesting to know if maybe usb c audio is better
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Same, all good with ViPER4Android tho.. (used the same for s7 edge)
Have you tried USB c output?
Hi georgiapi, have you figured out how to enable USB c audio output? I tried several times with enabling otg or switching preset USB mode (PTP,charging, file transfer, midi...) in developer options but I'm not able to make USB c audio working... I read on the internet that enabling otg works with OP3, 3t, 5, 5t...Anyone that can help? I honestly think that music quality coming from 3,5mm jack is really low-quality and I would like to know if with USB c the situation would be better...thanks
Hey all, just looking for any input on a USB-C to Headphone adapter/DAC. Wanting something slim or inline for travel. Quite a few options on Amazon ranging from $5-$50, but looking to everyone here for any input with real life experiences. I prefer wired headphones/buds over Bluetooth when traveling.
Under $50 will be the Fiio KA1 or Periodic audio rhodium. If you only want Amazon.
There are lots more good/better options in Ali for under $50.
Thanks. Only looked briefly at Amazon, dont know why I didnt consider checking out Fiio. I have an older, bigger, DAC from them for my HD600's.
I have the ka3 I'm using on my PC and it's amazing.
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Hey all, just looking for any input on a USB-C to Headphone adapter/DAC. Wanting something slim or inline for travel. Quite a few options on Amazon ranging from $5-$50, but looking to everyone here for any input with real life experiences. I prefer wired headphones/buds over Bluetooth when traveling.
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Following as I've gone through 3 adapters and each works at first but then get loose in where it connects to the phone and the audio pauses.
mariojohn said:
Following as I've gone through 3 adapters and each works at first but then get loose in where it connects to the phone and the audio pauses.
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I ran into this on my 6t eventually and hand to put a new usb-c port in. I'm not a fan of an all-in-one port for this reason. But I also understand that a headphone jack can only get to be so small/thin...
Weird, never had an issue with any usb c port wearing out
Lots of people swear by the Apple USB C to 3.5mm adapter, and I can confirm it works great. People say that it's the best overall mobile (or even desktop) DAC until at least $100
Depends on the source and headphones (or speakers) you're playing through. The apple dongle won't be a bottleneck for low to mid quality source and phones but if you use high quality either I would get something nicer.
Apple does a great job with the low end chip in that dongle but there are much newer, better dac chips out there now.
Entry class USB DAC's (under $80 or so) usually adopt an interface chip communicating with the adaptive mode or the synchronous one defined in the USB audio standard. As in these modes an Android host controller sends audio sampling rate clock signals to the DAC, jitter generated at the host side affects the audio quality of the DAC tremendously.
Higher class DAC's communicate with the asynchronous mode (also defined in the standard) to a host controller, but they actually use a PLL to reduce jitter from the host not to stutter even in heavy jitter situations. As this result, they behave as the adaptive mode with a feedback loop to dynamically adjust the host side sampling clock signals while referring a DAC side clock in a real sense, so even with the asynchronous mode they are more or less affected by host side jitter.
You can see the mode of your USB DAC with root permission by opening "/proc/asound/card1/stream0" on your phone while playing music. See a word in parentheses at "Endpoint:" lines; "SYNC", "ADAPTIVE" or "ASYNC" means that your DAC uses "synchronous", "adaptive" or "asynchronous" mode to communicate to your phone, respectively.
If you like Magisk mod's for reducing jitter, see Audio Jitter Silencer and Audio Misc. Settings.
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Depends on the source and headphones (or speakers) you're playing through. The apple dongle won't be a bottleneck for low to mid quality source and phones but if you use high quality either I would get something nicer.
Apple does a great job with the low end chip in that dongle but there are much newer, better dac chips out there now.
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Well I got the FIIO KA1 as an early b'day present over Labor Day weekend. I usually just use buds for everyday listening, but my HD600's definitely sound better with this device. Buds sound better too. Definitely a better bass response, but not over done, and the highs are crisper as well. Not mad at all for the $50 and it's definitely portable.
Basically, will any passive USB-C to 3.5 adapter do, or will I have to use an adapter with a built in DAC?
Because I have half a dozen DAC adapters (including by Google and Apple) and they can be very unreliable with my pixel and s23, depending on which headphones I use.
Any smartphone and any USB to 3.5 adapter has a DAC inside. The only question is its quality. By default, it is just a part of the cost-effective integrated chip, but HiFi-esque solutions equipped with a discrete D/A converter
that makes them much costly in production. Now let's assume the quality of what you get with your smartphone.
If you're looking for a better sound, take a look at something like this.
Big Dumb Object said:
Any smartphone and any USB to 3.5 adapter has a DAC inside. The only question is its quality. By default, it is just a part of the cost-effective integrated chip, but HiFi-esque solutions equipped with a discrete D/A converter
that makes them much costly in production. Now let's assume the quality of what you get with your smartphone.
If you're looking for a better sound, take a look at something like this.
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Thanks. But I am looking for a basic 10-dollar adapter.
I am pretty sure not all phones have a DAC for the usb-c line used out for wired headphones. I am pretty sure the Pixels (starting with P2) and now the Galaxy S22 and S23 do not have one. They only work with adapters that integrate a DAC (I have a few) and do not work with dumb, DAC-less adapters (I have a few of those too).
AFAIK, this device has no internal DAC, anyway it is not specified in its technical sheet.
I have several DACs USB C and they work perfect with this device. BTW, I use Poweramp as music player app.
landsome said:
Thanks. But I am looking for a basic 10-dollar adapter.
I am pretty sure not all phones have a DAC for the usb-c line used out for wired headphones. I am pretty sure the Pixels (starting with P2) and now the Galaxy S22 and S23 do not have one. They only work with adapters that integrate a DAC (I have a few) and do not work with dumb, DAC-less adapters (I have a few of those too).
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Well, you live and you learn: today I became aware of USB-C Accessory Mode. Thank you.
landsome said:
Basically, will any passive USB-C to 3.5 adapter do, or will I have to use an adapter with a built in DAC?
Because I have half a dozen DAC adapters (including by Google and Apple) and they can be very unreliable with my pixel and s23, depending on which headphones I use.
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The phone has a built-in DAC, which sounds pretty good. It can be used with the original Xiaomi USB-C adapter. The jack contact is simply plugged into the USB-C connector.
It's not like Samsung, because there you can only use a USB-C adapter with a built-in DAC, there is no jack output on the USB-C connector! The Samsung external factory DAC has a much worse sound.
osonte said:
The phone has a built-in DAC, which sounds pretty good. It can be used with the original Xiaomi USB-C adapter. The jack contact is simply plugged into the USB-C connector.
It's not like Samsung, because there you can only use a USB-C adapter with a built-in DAC, there is no jack output on the USB-C connector! The Samsung external factory DAC has a much worse sound.
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Thanks
osonte said:
The phone has a built-in DAC, which sounds pretty good. It can be used with the original Xiaomi USB-C adapter. The jack contact is simply plugged into the USB-C connector.
It's not like Samsung, because there you can only use a USB-C adapter with a built-in DAC, there is no jack output on the USB-C connector! The Samsung external factory DAC has a much worse sound.
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Ok but anyway, IMHO, 15 levels of volume is far to be enough. I own 2 hi-res DACs with built-in volume levels.