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Is there currently any way to unlock a VZW GS3 so I could use a local sim internationally? I'm going to Spain at the end of August and need a data connection while away from the hotel. Verizon offers 100MB for $25, while Vodafone offers locally a pre paid sim with 1GB of data for around $23 USD. So obviously I want to use a Vodafone sim. I called both Samsung and Verizon who said each other were the ones responsible for globally unlocking the phone. So I was wondering if the Dev community has already found a solution or is currently working on a solution for this problem. Otherwise I will have to use an AT&T Blackberry Bold while there -shutter-
ahanecurren said:
Is there currently any way to unlock a VZW GS3 so I could use a local sim internationally? I'm going to Spain at the end of August and need a data connection while away from the hotel. Verizon offers 100MB for $25, while Vodafone offers locally a pre paid sim with 1GB of data for around $23 USD. So obviously I want to use a Vodafone sim. I called both Samsung and Verizon who said each other were the ones responsible for globally unlocking the phone. So I was wondering if the Dev community has already found a solution or is currently working on a solution for this problem. Otherwise I will have to use an AT&T Blackberry Bold while there -shutter-
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You have a legitimate complaint to file with the FCC. On behalf of all those who own an S3, please contact them.
Wait... What? This is so completely and utterly off-base, you're not even on the same field.
Verizon has stated that this phone's global GSM capabilities will be unlocked at a future time, just not right now.
There is no expectation from the FCC's viewpoint that a phone on a CDMA network should automatically be able to connect to GSM networks out of the box.
OP - There is a thread in development with some information that might be helpful.
Currently, the phone is not unlocked officially, but it will work with foreign SIM cards. As of right now, testing is pretty limited, as the APN configuration is not very easily edited on ICS.
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Wait... What? This is so completely and utterly off-base, you're not even on the same field.
Verizon has stated that this phone's global GSM capabilities will be unlocked at a future time, just not right now.
There is no expectation from the FCC's viewpoint that a phone on a CDMA network should automatically be able to connect to GSM networks out of the box.
OP - There is a thread in development with some information that might be helpful.
Currently, the phone is not unlocked officially, but it will work with foreign SIM cards. As of right now, testing is pretty limited, as the APN configuration is not very easily edited on ICS.
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Have you by chance read the law?
You don't actually believe the "future update" crap do you?
ancashion said:
Have you by chance read the law?
You don't actually believe the "future update" crap do you?
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If they have said they will send out the update and they don't within the reasonable lifetime of the phone (2 years) then there would be an FCC case. But to state that right now is just plain "Oh man, look! Verizon is screwing us AGAIN" propaganda bs like 1/2 of everything else on this forum.
Edit: Even if you're in the "Screw Verizon" crowd, there is much more incentive for them to unlock the GSM capabilities than to not. It would allow them to say "Hey look! We have the best coverage in the US, AND you can use it all over the world!", which is fantastic marketing.
For them to say they're going to unlock that and to not do it is marketing suicide. And if Verizon does one thing right, it's their marketing.
ancashion said:
You have a legitimate complaint to file with the FCC. On behalf of all those who own an S3, please contact them.
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Legitimate complaint??
Are you kidding me, where do people come up with this BS??
AlexDeGruven said:
If they have said they will send out the update and they don't within the reasonable lifetime of the phone (2 years) then there would be an FCC case. But to state that right now is just plain "Oh man, look! Verizon is screwing us AGAIN" propaganda bs like 1/2 of everything else on this forum.
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Verizon IS screwing us though, again! Look at our bootloader and everyone else's, the rest of the world. And if this phone is a world phone with gsm capabilities, why lock it to begin with then promise to unlock it soon "in the future"? Do you actually believe that crap?
Put in an AT&T or T-Mobile sim in your phone first BEFORE rooting, it'll ask you for a sim unlock code, enter 000000 or 123456, that should unlock it. If it doesn't ask for a code, don't worry about it, root the phone (at your own risk) using the "Root66" method on this forum. Then go to this thread, whether you were able to unlock it with those generic codes or not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1775566
Read all the instructions. You should be able to get voice and SMS working for any gsm carrier, and you should be able to get 2G (maybe also 3G and HSPA+ on some gsm carriers) working, you'll have to find their APN settings and manually switch to those using the instruction in the linked page though. 2G has been confirmed working on AT&T and t-mobile, no one has been able to test 3G and HSPA+ on AT&T yet. Good luck.
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If they have said they will send out the update and they don't within the reasonable lifetime of the phone (2 years) then there would be an FCC case. But to state that right now is just plain "Oh man, look! Verizon is screwing us AGAIN" propaganda bs like 1/2 of everything else on this forum.
Edit: Even if you're in the "Screw Verizon" crowd, there is much more incentive for them to unlock the GSM capabilities than to not. It would allow them to say "Hey look! We have the best coverage in the US, AND you can use it all over the world!", which is fantastic marketing.
For them to say they're going to unlock that and to not do it is marketing suicide. And if Verizon does one thing right, it's their marketing.
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Legitimate complaint??
Are you kidding me, where do people come up with this BS??
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AlexDeGruven said:
Wait... What? This is so completely and utterly off-base, you're not even on the same field.
Verizon has stated that this phone's global GSM capabilities will be unlocked at a future time, just not right now.
There is no expectation from the FCC's viewpoint that a phone on a CDMA network should automatically be able to connect to GSM networks out of the box.
OP - There is a thread in development with some information that might be helpful.
Currently, the phone is not unlocked officially, but it will work with foreign SIM cards. As of right now, testing is pretty limited, as the APN configuration is not very easily edited on ICS.
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BS, you say? Off base, you say?
Here's the regulations regarding any device sold by Verizon as a "4g capable" phone...
§ 27.16 Network access requirements for Block C in the 746-757 and 776-787
MHz bands.
(a) Applicability. This section shall apply only to the authorizations
for Block C in the 746-757 and 776-787 MHz bands assigned and only if
the results of the first auction in which licenses for such
authorizations are offered satisfied the applicable reserve price.
(b) Use of devices and applications. Licensees offering service on
spectrum subject to this section shall not deny, limit, or restrict the
ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their
choice on the licensee's C Block network, except:
(1) Insofar as such use would not be compliant with published technical
standards reasonably necessary for the management or protection of the
licensee's network, or
(2) As required to comply with statute or applicable government
regulation.
(c) Technical standards. For purposes of paragraph (b)(1) of this
section:
(1) Standards shall include technical requirements reasonably necessary
for third parties to access a licensee's network via devices or
applications without causing objectionable interference to other
spectrum users or jeopardizing network security. The potential for
excessive bandwidth demand alone shall not constitute grounds for
denying, limiting or restricting access to the network.
(2) To the extent a licensee relies on standards established by an
independent standards-setting body which is open to participation by
representatives of service providers, equipment manufacturers,
application developers, consumer organizations, and other interested
parties, the standards will carry a presumption of reasonableness.
(3) A licensee shall publish its technical standards, which shall be
non-proprietary, no later than the time at which it makes such
standards available to any preferred vendors, so that the standards are
readily available to customers, equipment manufacturers, application
developers, and other parties interested in using or developing
products for use on a licensee's networks.
(d) Access requests. (1) Licensees shall establish and publish clear
and reasonable procedures for parties to seek approval to use devices
or applications on the licensees' networks. A licensee must also
provide to potential customers notice of the customers' rights to
request the attachment of a device or application to the licensee's
network, and notice of the licensee's process for customers to make
such requests, including the relevant network criteria.
(2) If a licensee determines that a request for access would violate
its technical standards or regulatory requirements, the licensee shall
expeditiously provide a written response to the requester specifying
the basis for denying access and providing an opportunity for the
requester to modify its request to satisfy the licensee's concerns.
(e) Handset locking prohibited. No licensee may disable features on
handsets it provides to customers, to the extent such features are
compliant with the licensee's standards pursuant to paragraph (b)of
this section, nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of
such handsets on other providers' networks.
(f) Burden of proof. Once a complainant sets forth a prima facie case
that the C Block licensee has refused to attach a device or application
in violation of the requirements adopted in this section, the licensee
shall have the burden of proof to demonstrate that it has adopted
reasonable network standards and reasonably applied those standards in
the complainant's case. Where the licensee bases its network
restrictions on industry-wide consensus standards, such restrictions
would be presumed reasonable.
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If that's too much to read, or too hard to comprehend, let me point out the specific part of those regulations...
(e) Handset locking prohibited. No licensee may disable features on
handsets it provides to customers, to the extent such features are
compliant with the licensee's standards pursuant to paragraph (b)of
this section, nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of
such handsets on other providers' networks.
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Still too much.. let me make it a little clearer...
nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of
such handsets on other providers' networks
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But Verizon says, and admits, no, you cannot have the unlock code to make your device available for use on other networks like they did for the OP.
But Verizon says, and will supposedly, release an "update" to allow this feature. Mind you- a feature it was required by the above regulation to come with out of the box. So exactly when, will Verizon comply with the Regs? When someone complains loudly enough, that's when.
I'm open to discuss this, and it's meaning and how the FCC will interpret it but from where I'm sitting, it's pretty clear. The OP does, infact, have a legitimate complaint. I ain't full of **** nor off base.
How many other devices has Verizon released that do not comply with the above regulations? It isn't just the S3, that's for sure. It won't end here either unless we petition the powers that be to force them to comply, or, give up the block C frequencies for re-auction to a company who will comply.
Frankly, I'm disgusted with the pro-Verizon rhetoric that's invaded XDA recently. Are they astroturfing for Verizon? How does anyone find Verizon's business practices acceptable? I like Verizon for the pipe it offers me, not for meddling with my phones and rendering the software on my phone obsolete because it's locked out third party developers and the powers that be decide it "isn't worth putting the newest OS on" is a good enough excuse to scam you into purchasing a new phone.
newuser134 said:
Put in an AT&T or T-Mobile sim in your phone first BEFORE rooting, it'll ask you for a sim unlock code, enter 000000 or 123456.....
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If this works, then why aren't folks buying non-VZW phones and putting VZW SIMs in them? That'd circumvent the whole locked bootloader thing, wouldn't it?
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If this works, then why aren't folks buying non-VZW phones and putting VZW SIMs in them? That'd circumvent the whole locked bootloader thing, wouldn't it?
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Doesn't work the other way around.
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If this works, then why aren't folks buying non-VZW phones and putting VZW SIMs in them? That'd circumvent the whole locked bootloader thing, wouldn't it?
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It's not as simple as just switching the sim card on Verizon. Unlike the GSM networks, Verizon only allows devices that already have their ESN/MEID in the system.
Yes, should be working with proper steps..
ahanecurren said:
Is there currently any way to unlock a VZW GS3 so I could use a local sim internationally? I'm going to Spain at the end of August and need a data connection while away from the hotel. Verizon offers 100MB for $25, while Vodafone offers locally a pre paid sim with 1GB of data for around $23 USD. So obviously I want to use a Vodafone sim. I called both Samsung and Verizon who said each other were the ones responsible for globally unlocking the phone. So I was wondering if the Dev community has already found a solution or is currently working on a solution for this problem. Otherwise I will have to use an AT&T Blackberry Bold while there -shutter-
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This thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1775566&page=10 has a lot of information. My post #95 details the steps that I have taken, and I can confirm that I was able to get it to work with a T-Mobile card. I am heading to Russia and will test it there in GSM mode with a local card. I have an HTC Incredible 2 world phone as backup which I know works.
The key is that you must use HiAPN to be able to edit/change the internal APN setting to allow for other Sim cards. ALso load Phone Info to change the radio setting. I've already loaded APN's for three different Russian companies and hope that I can just pop them in, change the APN, change the radio and be good to go.
Hope this helps.
Great Post!
My friend do you hang out in the irc channels too?
I have a question:
I am currently using the verizon samsung galaxy s3 (SCH-I535) and will be moving to Japan in September, what can you recommend me to do? I want to be able of use the s3 with either 3g, LTE oe 2g with any carrier in Japan. I know if I unlock the phone via root and unlock I can use the softbank (japan carrier) for call/text 2g not data plan though. But If that is the only thing I can do I will get a pocket wifi so I can have data wherever I go that way.
Any recommendations? I still can't understand about the global unlocking update coming to verizon s3 ?
Thank you in advance!
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BS, you say? Off base, you say?
Here's the regulations regarding any device sold by Verizon as a "4g capable" phone...
If that's too much to read, or too hard to comprehend, let me point out the specific part of those regulations...
Still too much.. let me make it a little clearer...
But Verizon says, and admits, no, you cannot have the unlock code to make your device available for use on other networks like they did for the OP.
But Verizon says, and will supposedly, release an "update" to allow this feature. Mind you- a feature it was required by the above regulation to come with out of the box. So exactly when, will Verizon comply with the Regs? When someone complains loudly enough, that's when.
I'm open to discuss this, and it's meaning and how the FCC will interpret it but from where I'm sitting, it's pretty clear. The OP does, infact, have a legitimate complaint. I ain't full of **** nor off base.
How many other devices has Verizon released that do not comply with the above regulations? It isn't just the S3, that's for sure. It won't end here either unless we petition the powers that be to force them to comply, or, give up the block C frequencies for re-auction to a company who will comply.
Frankly, I'm disgusted with the pro-Verizon rhetoric that's invaded XDA recently. Are they astroturfing for Verizon? How does anyone find Verizon's business practices acceptable? I like Verizon for the pipe it offers me, not for meddling with my phones and rendering the software on my phone obsolete because it's locked out third party developers and the powers that be decide it "isn't worth putting the newest OS on" is a good enough excuse to scam you into purchasing a new phone.
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Verizon S3 Global Root Unlock
Can anyone tell me if i did this root and global unlock does that mean i can put a international verizon wireless plan and use it overseas or is this just to be able to use international SIM's?
I'm going to say it would be for local pre-paid SIMs only. If you call into Verizon and try to get international data on your line, it will throw up serious red flags for them. Verizon doesn't support (officially) this device to be used abroad yet. So if you call in saying you got it unlocked, you may get into a bit of a sticky situation.
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I'm going to say it would be for local pre-paid SIMs only. If you call into Verizon and try to get international data on your line, it will throw up serious red flags for them. Verizon doesn't support (officially) this device to be used abroad yet. So if you call in saying you got it unlocked, you may get into a bit of a sticky situation.
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Alternatively, one could do it, get into this sticky situation with them and invite the FCC in on the conversation.
I would love to have VZW chew my ass for some **** that they agreed to not block, just to turn around and use their information against them.
Oh, wait.. that's what I did with my FCC complaint! :silly:
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Alternatively, one could do it, get into this sticky situation with them and invite the FCC in on the conversation.
I would love to have VZW chew my ass for some **** that they agreed to not block, just to turn around and use their information against them.
Oh, wait.. that's what I did with my FCC complaint! :silly:
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I never read anything about a grace period in the block c regulations so I wonder how vzw can get away with dragging their feet with the damn global unlock? I don't get why it's taking them so long. You won't be able to use it on say at&t or T-Mobile when it gets unlocked will you?
Imatoasta said:
I never read anything about a grace period in the block c regulations so I wonder how vzw can get away with dragging their feet with the damn global unlock? I don't get why it's taking them so long. You won't be able to use it on say at&t or T-Mobile when it gets unlocked will you?
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You should be able to provided your radio is compatible with the others network. That was the nature of block c's "openness" or the idea behind it anyways.
Vzw challenged the block c regs in court, after they made the purchase, and lost. I think they are being defiant on purpose.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
How to unlock and set up your SGS3 phone for world use.
I fyou have not yet seen this, go to this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1809314 and it will walk you through the steps that worked for me to use the Verizon Galaxy S3 overseas in GSM mode.
If it helps, give a thanks!
I have a noob question regarding this issue. It's very common today for providers (networks) to offer upgrade phones to subscribed members. That has the benefit for people to grab latest devices at lower prices, compared to buying the phone 'undranded', directly from the manufacturer. Under certain circumstances, those contract bound, 'locked' phones could be 'unlocked' for use anywhere.
As far as I understood, 'locked' or 'unlocked' is facilitated by the use of IMEI, right? Or is there any additional mechanism providers use to allow/restrict use of a particular device in their network? Are there any hardware differences whatsoever between a contract phone and a non-contract phone?
jstoner said:
I have a noob question regarding this issue. Its very common today for providers (networks) to offer upgrade phones to subscribed members. That has the benefit for people to grab latest devices at lower prices, compared to buying the phone undranded, directly from the manufacturer. Under certain circumstances, those contract bound, locked phones could be unlocked for use anywhere.
As far as I understood, locked or unlocked is facilitated by the use of IMEI, right? Or is there any additional mechanism providers use to allow/restrict use of a particular device in their network? Are there any hardware differences whatsoever between a contract phone and a non-contract phone?
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AFAIK the Simlock is in the Software of the Device.
Unlocking them is possible AFAIK.
But some Providers lock the bootloader of the Device permanent, so that it cant be unlocked.
As far I picture it in my mind, the software of the device (branded or not) doesn't have to do with the 'lock'. At least not according to this thread. That guy tried flashing with the different ROM, but the lock was still there. So there must be something else that does it. Possibly IMEI (or maybe something else?)
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AFAIK the Simlock is in the Software of the Device.
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As far I picture it in my mind, the software of the device (branded or not) doesnt have to do with the lock. At least not according to this thread. That guy tried flashing with the different ROM, but the lock was still there. So there must be something else that does it. Possibly IMEI (or maybe something else?)
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I didnt mean ROM with Software, i meant the Ril software
Oh, right, cheers for that. Haven't even head of RIL before
So you mean that contract phones come out with a modified RIL (compared to that of the unbranded version of the phone)?
So that's the part that get's locked. OK, thanks!
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I didnt mean ROM with Software, i meant the Ril software
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What I also trying to figure the 'path' that units go through, till they reach the end customer.
For a unbranded phone, that would look like this:
1) Manufactured, put in retail box, sealed
2) Distribution to wholesale
3) Distribution to retailers
4) Customer picks it up (prepaid, pay-as-you-go)
This is phone is 'naturally' sim-free and unlocked to use with any network, worldwide.
Now, how about a contract phone?
1) A network provider, requests 1000 units of a paricular phone model from the manufacturer for use as a contract device
2) Manufactured with whatever options the provider requested. E.g. different firmware, modified RIL (network lock), branding (sticker at the back cover), put in box, sealed
3) Distributed to providers telecom shops
4) Customer picks it up as part of a contract
(Did I got all of this right?)
I am more interested in (2) above. Because I am curious - some of those initially-designated contract phones, somehow become unlocked and offered as unbranded, pay-as-you-go devices. But how all of a sudden do they become unlocked. I have also read somewhere, that even those phones are unlocked, they might be lacking certain features compared to the 'truly' unbranded phones that come directly from the manufacturer. Like for instance been limited to certain bands or traffic classes - which results to a lower QoS under certain conditions (roaming). That's why I m asking if there are any other differences in (2). Hope I clarified things up and not made things more blurry!
Does anyone know what happens if a unit that is destined as an upgrade phone (e.g. EE) gets unlocked to be sim free (therefore breaking the rules of the contract that state that this phone needs to be used for at least a period of 6 months prior unlocking becomes an option)? Is the provider taking any action? Like locking the phone again or any other potential consequences?
Otherwise, any phone is sim-free for like 10-20 quid...?
Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
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Anyone think the OnePlus 6 will add support for Verizon or Sprint? Would be very wise to do so as Verizon is the largest US carrier.
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Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
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Verizon is not very friendly towards unlockable bootloaders, so most likely no. The bands might be there, but Verizon wont accept it on their network. Might work on CDMA carriers abroad though. Sprint might accept it on their BYOD plans. Trying not to get too hyped about this device. If I like what I see and hear, I'll be getting the OP6 and handing down my S9+.
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I have sprint so I hope CDMA is there for BYOD
According to OnePlus.net ut only supports T-Mobile AT&T and U.S Cellular. Such a shame that they make such a good device at an awesome price and its only compatible with half the major us carriers
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
Dabarr said:
The US carriers are to blame here, not oneplus! There is absolutely no reason for them not to make it compatible.
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No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
zelendel said:
No it's one pluses fault. They don't want to pay the licensing needed (it's not cheap) for CDMA networks. It's that simple. So it's no one's fault really. It's just business.
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You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
Josh LaCelle said:
You don't need certification to use a phone on Verizon's network. You just need the bands. You just pop a sim in and it works.
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You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
Pater Draco said:
You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
Josh LaCelle said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I am talking about using a non-verizon phone on Verizon's network. I have used non-verizon phones on Verizon's network with no problem at all! You just need the bands you don't need Verizon's certification.
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That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
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That is a device that is already paying for the licenses. You have to be from the states and still very young. This is why you have no idea about what you are talking about. To sell a device in the states you have to state if the device is a GSM or CDMA device or both. Then you pay the licensing for that. Many smaller companies refuse to pay the fees for CDMA as it is out dated tech. (heck even China stopped using it for the most part. Verizon will soon be completely our of the CDMA network)
Trust me it takes more then just the bands. Even the dialer software is different on a CDMA based device and that software is closed sourced.
This is the main reason smaller OEM dont support CDMA networks. They just dont want to pay for the extra licenses they need (that and they suck lol)
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I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
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I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I am from the states and very young. I am 5 years old.
Anyways, I totally agree with what you are saying. My point is you can run non-verizon phones on Verizon network. They don't need any amount of certification from Verizon at all to do that!
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
Either way it doesnt matter.
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Obviously you can't read or like to argue with someone.
Pater Draco said:
You clearly have no idea how these things work. There are tons of things that go into "just popping in a sim card and it works" There are things from the CDMA network that are vastly different. Like the all of the telephone software. Which you have to pay a license to use. Not to mention using the modems on CDMA devices which also costs money.
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
Josh LaCelle said:
Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Still works though not all bands are required. It may affect signal in some areas but not all
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Not Verizon support. It is missing band 13 which Verizon uses for LTE.
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Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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Nevermind, thinking about Tmobile
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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Verizon doesn't whitelist IMEIs you can put a sim in and use it on 3G just fine. Verizon does use band 13 but you dont need all bands for it to work. Sprint does whitelist IMEIs so it will not work on sprint period
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What you are getting is that is not always the case. Go ahead and take any device that doesnt support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM and you will find that even with the bands that you can pop a sim card in and nothing will work. ITs not from Verizon that they need the certification. Its from the FCC and the CDMA commission. This happens long before you even know the device is even made.
You can not use your experience as a be all end all here. Users in the states make up about 10% of XDA users and the rules for cell phones are very different in the states then they are in the rest of the world.
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I can't tell if your trolling or if you're genuinely a nasty person....
1. " take any device that DOESN'T support CDMA like many devices from China based OEM" I assume you meant that many Chinese devices DO use CDMA. Because what you said is incorrect. On top of that, not all CDMA bands are the same, so of course Chinese CDMA phones won't register on Verizon's network.
2. You can't dismiss his experiences either, or mine. I use non certified, lacking bands CDMA devices on Verizon's network without any major issues. Granted it's not optimal service, but it's the compromise of not having to carry two phones.
3. Sounds like you have some hate complex for people who live in the US. Only 10% of XDA users? Where'd you find that, and why is it important?
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Also it does take more then just popping in a Sim for Verizon especially. There is a certification that needs to be done unless that has changed in the last couple years.
But the OnePlus does include a CDMA radio with all the supported band for Verizon. You can try calling Verizon and see if they will add you IMEI number to their system. But that is a gamble to take. Other then that Verizon would have to accept the OnePlus as a whole to run 4glte on the phones.
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It has a CDMA modem it has enough bands for Verizon I used the OnePlus 5 on version you only get 3G if you enable LTE you wont get calls or text. It's a Verizon support issue the hardware is there
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I have a 1+3T. It has two of of three Verizon LTE bands: 2,4 but not 13. It also has CDMA band BC0. I have my personal SIM on ATT and my company's is Verizon. That is correct, if you enable LTE, it's slower speed than normal and calls and text don't come through. I leave my ATT on primary data so it works out pretty good. I hate carrying two phones. You don't have to get them to add a IMEI number, just activate the SIM on a Verizon phone and then pop it into the Oneplus.
The 1+6 on the other hands has CDMA bands BC0 and BC1, so hopefully that improves 3G connection. Stupid that they ignore the largest US carrier and not put band 13 in there. In a couple years everything will be on LTE anyways. I'm very curious why LTE disables calls and texts......any ideas?
Just sad to see no CDMA support on such a growing phone I like the Oneplus so much I may go to T-Mobile
So it gets out there....
Apparently AT&T (possibly/probably others) are taking advantage of their network upgrades to force phone sales. I'm currently using an LG V30+ which from what I see of it's specifications is fully compatible with 4G LTE and even 5G NSA and I can see that VoLTE is currently configured too. I've been using it on an AT&T MVNO for years without much issue. When I paid my bill this month, bam! No more data! Over 3 hours with technical support and multiple agents to get my data working again and when asked what the issue was I was told "It's nothing sir just a little update." Last week my MMS suddenly stopped working and nobody has been able to fix it it, the best (only) answer I've received is that my "sim card is too old, it's from 2014, you need a new sim card." Mind you I've had service through this MVNO since 2014 but have since changed the sim card. So obviously I'm tired of this mess right? So I'm switching MVNOs right? Wrong! I go to port my number to another MVNO (Straight Talk) and my "IMEI shows that my phone is not compatible with the new AT&T network". Comment and share.
Edit: Screenshot attached.
I'm also interested in hearing of any comparable phones that are rootable and have TWRP available that show they are compatible this year on an AT&T MVNO. I checked a T-Mobile MVNO and it showed compatible with Mint.
Edit: Look what I found:
These phones will still work on our network after we phase out ... - ATT
https://www.att.com/idpassets/images/support/wireless/Devices-Working-on-ATT-Network.pdf
Confirmed? See the only LG V30 listed is the AT&T version.
been getting this on Verizon both with my LG G6 and even my V50 (which also has 5g but they claim it doesn't)
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been getting this on Verizon both with my LG G6 and even my V50 (which also has 5g but they claim it doesn't)
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Verizon uses a different method and they are all CDMA, so I think first they deny anything that can use a sim, I did some research on this once and came across the information...
Basically only two types of phones are compatible with the Verizon Network...
1. iphones
2. Androids that were made for the Verizon Network.
So if it's not an iphone or a Verizon phone it is not compatible for their network because they say so. But you're not missing anything as they seem to have the worst coverage of the big 3.
1. AT&T
2. T-Mobile
3. Verizon
According to their own coverage maps.
But now AT&T is starting to play the same game? My LG V30+ is a US998. Maybe they allow the AT&T versions?
Edit: Typo and additional info as follows...
Allegedly Apple pays for this privilege if you want to call it that.
Hey all,
I saw that Best Buy has the unlocked P7P model GA03453-US while the Google store version is GE2AE. Is there a difference between the models? I can't find the BB model on Google's or anyone else's site.
Just want to make sure it's had MMW 5G and that 5G will work on AT&T's site.
Would it also be worth buying an open box model in excellent condition and over $100 off?
Thanks!
I wish that they would stop doing these confusing model numbers at stores. The GA03453-US is actually the GE2AE, it's just how Best Buy and other retailers catalog the phone. I bought one on release day and can confirm it's the standard US unlocked GE2AE model and I'm using it with a Boost AT&T network SIM with no issues.
Google GA03453 US
Google GA03453 US
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• Universal Unlocked. Compatible with all major U.S. carriers, including Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile. Also compatible with prepaid carriers including Cricket Wireless, MetroPCS, Google Fi, Simple Mobile, Total Wireless, Tracfone, Net10, Mint, and H2O.
I agree with everything @EtherealRemnant said ⬆ right there. Google's not the only one, but certainly one of the brands I come across most often with this problem.
Edit: I forgot that I already have all the model number pairs in my Post #6 - Regarding P7P 5G model numbers and capabilities, and how to determine your hardware version, although I don't have them organized by pairs. The one model number type at the top of the post, and the other at the bottom.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I agree with everything @EtherealRemnant said ⬆ right there. Google's not the only one, but certainly one of the brands I come across most often with this problem.
Edit: I forgot that I already have all the model number pairs in my Post #6 - Regarding P7P 5G model numbers and capabilities, and how to determine your hardware version, although I don't have them organized by pairs. The one model number type at the top of the post, and the other at the bottom.
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Thanks guys. Just taking a look at the options. I was hoping to find someone that could unlock AT&T's but I'm not really finding anyone reputable that claims they can do it. So I'm thinking Google's offering the best deal with the trade in. I'm looking at getting the 256GB Obsidian.
AT&T's model is listed as the GE2AE if you look for how it's set up. Not sure if any sub-branding.
And I take it I'll actually be able to use AT&T's 5G if I buy out unlocked, correct?
Lastly, if either of you want to PM me a referral, I'd appreciate it.
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Thanks guys. Just taking a look at the options. I was hoping to find someone that could unlock AT&T's but I'm not really finding anyone reputable that claims they can do it.
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I thought anyone with an at&t model could unlock once you pay the phone off, like t-mobile, but I'm not experienced, I've only bought carrier unlocked phones for the last six years and I had come from Verizon back then.
But it is indeed easiest not to have to deal with the carriers and just buy the factory carrier unlocked model direct from Google, or Best Buy, or other places that offer them.
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AT&T's model is listed as the GE2AE if you look for how it's set up. Not sure if any sub-branding.
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Thanks, good to know.
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And I take it I'll actually be able to use AT&T's 5G if I buy out unlocked, correct?
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Yes. That won't affect anything like that.
Superguy said:
And I take it I'll actually be able to use AT&T's 5G if I buy out unlocked, correct?
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Yep. We don't have C-band here but my Boost SIM is connected to 5G Nationwide and the phone supports mmWave and C-band.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I thought anyone with an at&t model could unlock once you pay the phone off, like t-mobile, but I'm not experienced, I've only bought carrier unlocked phones for the last six years and I had come from Verizon back then.
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They'll do that. I just don't want to wait.
Not like I'd bolt to another carrier. We tried T-Mo last summer and that's a fiasco I never want to repeat. Plus AT&T gives me a really good deal with a FAN from work.
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They'll do that. I just don't want to wait.
Not like I'd bolt to another carrier. We tried T-Mo last summer and that's a fiasco I never want to repeat. Plus AT&T gives me a really good deal with a FAN from work.
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Understandable. I had to Google what AT&T FAN is. I didn't know the abbreviation off the top of my head, but Google's search results were actually helpful. I used to use a work discount too with AT&T and before that, one with Verizon. The last four years, give or take, we've just been using AT&T Prepaid, and it's been cheaper than all our previous options and works great for our usage. Every once in a while I look at other options or carriers, but there's nothing enticing enough.