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Analyst Claims iPhone 5 Will Be Kiss of Death for Android

http://phandroid.com/2011/06/21/analyst-claims-iphone-5-will-be-kiss-of-death-for-android/
As an andorid fan boy , I broke in to laughter
We heard this one before, back when the iPhone 4 was first announced for Verizon: the carrier’s current smartphone subscribers would abandon their Android handsets for Apple’s phone after years of settling for less. As it turns out, that wasn’t quite the case. But if you’re wrong once, why not make the same prediction again and hope that it might come true this time. That’s what Needham analyst Charlie Wolf believes, anyway. After pinpointing a 3 percentage point drop-off in Android’s US market share in March following the release of the iPhone 4, Wolf claims that Android is only set to lose more ground.
His argument is based more on speculation than fact, but Wolf predicts the real damage will be done with the launch of the iPhone 5 concurrently on AT&T and Verizon. Why? Because Verizon subscribers knew better than to purchase an iPhone 4 mere months before the launch of Apple’s next-gen version of the smartphone. Yep, come then we will surely see most of Verizon’s Android users abandon their Google phones leading to the greatest decline in market share ever seen for a platform that saw tremendous growth in 2010.
We can’t deny that the release of the iPhone on Verizon’s CDMA network has had an effect on the smartphone market, but Android still holds nearly 50 percent to Apple’s 30 percent. Apple stands to gain more ground from floundering competitors such as RIM, not from Google’s platform. To think most Android users are simply biding their time until the right moment to pick up an iPhone just seems a bit silly. But it’s all speculation for now. Let’s revisit these figures when the iPhone 5 launches this fall

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The Iphone 4 launch on Verizon wasn't a big success though. Yeah, it sells pretty decently, but then compared to the launch of other phones on Verizon, and then the launch of the 4 on AT&T, the CDMA Iphone 4 was almost nothing. Seeing that the 5 will be launched on both networks at the same time, might help it some and may give a bigger market share to Apple, but is it the kiss of death? Not at all, because even after the Iphone 5 is released there will probably be at the most 10 different Android devices released right after it.

aalupatti said:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/21/analyst-claims-iphone-5-will-be-kiss-of-death-for-android/
As an andorid fan boy , I broke in to laughter
We heard this one before, back when the iPhone 4 was first announced for Verizon: the carrier’s current smartphone subscribers would abandon their Android handsets for Apple’s phone after years of settling for less. As it turns out, that wasn’t quite the case. But if you’re wrong once, why not make the same prediction again and hope that it might come true this time. That’s what Needham analyst Charlie Wolf believes, anyway. After pinpointing a 3 percentage point drop-off in Android’s US market share in March following the release of the iPhone 4, Wolf claims that Android is only set to lose more ground.
His argument is based more on speculation than fact, but Wolf predicts the real damage will be done with the launch of the iPhone 5 concurrently on AT&T and Verizon. Why? Because Verizon subscribers knew better than to purchase an iPhone 4 mere months before the launch of Apple’s next-gen version of the smartphone. Yep, come then we will surely see most of Verizon’s Android users abandon their Google phones leading to the greatest decline in market share ever seen for a platform that saw tremendous growth in 2010.
We can’t deny that the release of the iPhone on Verizon’s CDMA network has had an effect on the smartphone market, but Android still holds nearly 50 percent to Apple’s 30 percent. Apple stands to gain more ground from floundering competitors such as RIM, not from Google’s platform. To think most Android users are simply biding their time until the right moment to pick up an iPhone just seems a bit silly. But it’s all speculation for now. Let’s revisit these figures when the iPhone 5 launches this fall
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Considering that the iPhone leads and has always been in the lead, I can see it happening. Apple isn't about to rest on their laurels and just let the competition skate by unscathed. From what I read, Apple has some major upgrades in store for the iPhone with iOS5. Android is already struggling with fragmentation and other competition like WP7. If iOS5 is actually all that it is being portrayed as being, I can see Android succumbing to iPhone. But I prefer it if Android survives and Google greatly improves it. That's what competition is supposed to do...make things hard for the industry but sweet for the market.

WP7 is a competition to whom?

I want to be an analyst. Is that like a college degree?

BenKranged said:
I want to be an analyst. Is that like a college degree?
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I dunno, but it's got "anal" in it.
Seriousy, WP7 succeeded in halving Microsoft's market share. Woot! Great result
Unless IOS5 gives users what Android can give them (customisation, funky live wallpapers to impress their friends, no need to be tied into specific software or websites, flash) then I can't see how it will regain the market lead.
With Android you have the variety of devices, so if people want a 4.3 or 5 inch screen they can, likewise if they want a smaller one, or one with a physical keyboad.
IOS5 is going to be a big song and dance just like all the other so called amazing versions of IOS, and they all have the same failing.

xaccers said:
I dunno, but it's got "anal" in it.
Seriousy, WP7 succeeded in halving Microsoft's market share. Woot! Great result
Unless IOS5 gives users what Android can give them (customisation, funky live wallpapers to impress their friends, no need to be tied into specific software or websites, flash) then I can't see how it will regain the market lead.
With Android you have the variety of devices, so if people want a 4.3 or 5 inch screen they can, likewise if they want a smaller one, or one with a physical keyboad.
IOS5 is going to be a big song and dance just like all the other so called amazing versions of IOS, and they all have the same failing.
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Not so. The iPhone has been the most successful system in history. And it has done so with one line of phone and unchanging nature. Now Apple is changing it up. If the iPhone leads without being all that Android is, what will be the outcome if it adds features like Android?
Open minds and be rational.

MartyLK said:
Not so. The iPhone has been the most successful system in history. And it has done so with one line of phone and unchanging nature. Now Apple is changing it up. If the iPhone leads without being all that Android is, what will be the outcome if it adds features like Android?
Open minds and be rational.
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Q1 2011 % market share:
Android 36
Symbian 27.4
Apple 16.8
Blackberry 12.9
Microsoft 3.6
Interesting definition of lead btw

xaccers said:
Q1 2011 % market share:
Android 36
Symbian 27.4
Apple 16.8
Blackberry 12.9
Microsoft 3.6
Interesting definition of lead btw
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Source please
Nah...nevermind, I looked for myself. That's excellent. RIM has finally fallen from the lead. I didn't think that would ever happen. I friggin hate Blackberrys and could not comprehend how they could be in the lead of marketshare being as crappy as they are. From what I see in a Google seach, Android is leading with around 33%, RIM with 27% and Apple with 25%. I am glad to see Android doing so well. From most online sites and news, the talk has always been that Apple was leading. Maybe they mean in a specific region. Nevertheless, I hope Apple can put out a highly refreshed and redone phone because stiff competition is never bad for the consumer.
When MS gets Mango out, I see WP7 taking a lot of marketshare down the line. That's going to be one fine system.

I just looked through the "new" features of iOS 5, and don't see anything really noteworthy that Android hasn't already done. Swipe down on any screen for notifications? I was impressed by that on my friend's G1 a few years ago. So unless Apple's keeping their cards close, it doesn't look like anything groundbreaking.
It's definitely not going to be the "kiss of death" for Android. That's kinda ridiculous. Apple fans are always going to buy the iPhone, but too many people will still buy Android for the flexibility. Whenever Apple releases a new Mac, or a new version of OSX, it's never been a "kiss of death" for Microsoft, PC manufacturers or Linux.
For an analyst to pop up and start claiming this months before it comes out makes me think that he's either biased already by the product, bought off by Apple, or both.

They said the same thing about iPhone coming to Verizon and look what happened.

MartyLK said:
I friggin hate Blackberrys and could not comprehend how they could be in the lead of marketshare being as crappy as they are.
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Because for guys like me they were great. I could check my work e-mail and easily reply using a real keyboard. I wasn't looking for entertainment or to play games with it. I wanted a phone that I could talk on for long periods of time and check my email. I love my Evo but for work purposes and for my particular situation my work BB is superior. But I use my Evo for all of my personal stuff because it's a lot more fun and has a ton of features.
Back on topic....the iPhone is always going to have market share and will always be popular simply because it's become an icon. I'm not sure they really need to do a lot of upgrading on it for it to sell. I know a LOT of iPhone users who don't use a fraction of what it can do. But it's like a Coach purse (one of the low end ones with the big "C" logo all over it) in that it sends a message to everyone around. It's a fashion accessory for a lot of people.
But is it going to kill Android or any of the other phones? Of course not and especially if they can keep the price competitive while providing a phone that's a good alternative. But I do think that Google needs to better advertise the OS. I don't think that everyone gets that Android is a Google product and knows all that it can do. I think they can be a LOT more aggressive against Apple and really help garner attention.
james

MartyLK said:
Source please
Nah...nevermind, I looked for myself. That's excellent. RIM has finally fallen from the lead. I didn't think that would ever happen. I friggin hate Blackberrys and could not comprehend how they could be in the lead of marketshare being as crappy as they are. From what I see in a Google seach, Android is leading with around 33%, RIM with 27% and Apple with 25%. I am glad to see Android doing so well. From most online sites and news, the talk has always been that Apple was leading. Maybe they mean in a specific region. Nevertheless, I hope Apple can put out a highly refreshed and redone phone because stiff competition is never bad for the consumer.
When MS gets Mango out, I see WP7 taking a lot of marketshare down the line. That's going to be one fine system.
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Oh god don't get me started on the hellspawn that is blackberry
Bloody awful things.
They got their lead, like apple did initially, by MS basically not realising the potential of WinMo.
WinMo had MS Reader for years before kindle came on the scene, they had WMP before itunes, there are app stores like handango. All it would have taken would be a bit of faith, a more finger friendly interface (SPB managed it, HTC managed it, why not MS?) and some bright spark to put it all together and MS would have been ahead of the game.
When BBs started, it was the best way to get emails with a mobile, it is secure, and adds so much more control over the handset than Exchange does alone. But RIM got complacent, their BES customers aren't going anywhere, they've invested too much in licences, they were practically guarenteed the business market due to managerial sheep following what other companies do (the sort of people who believe the only smart phone is the iphone, that then believe the only way to get email on mobiles is with a blackberry).
It's so frustrating, especially even after seeing how mobile OSs can be done MS still get it wrong.
There's a map online showing the market share of different countries, it's quite interesting. Australia has iphone winning, while Tunisia has Nokia in the lead.
I'm sure IOS5 will get apple a wealth of new sales, and for a short time they may outsell Android, but a lot of people I know with iphones prefer the 3 to the 4, many decided against switching, and many of them wish they hadn't.
A colleague got the white one (which really looks awful in my opinion, like it's made of bakolite from a distance) as it's her first touch screen phone she admits to not knowing what she's missing with it, but already she's thinking of taking it back for something better.
I got to play the finger of signal death with it though
Finger off - 5 bars, finger on - 4 bars, finger off - 5 bars, finger on - ooo 3 bars.
Interestingly Apple are already making noises about going for the "elite" of the market, so they're preparing the ground to accept 3rd place. After all, they don't need to be no1, they just need to sell enough to satisfy the stock holders.

atypical1 said:
Because for guys like me they were great. I could check my work e-mail and easily reply using a real keyboard. I wasn't looking for entertainment or to play games with it. I wanted a phone that I could talk on for long periods of time and check my email. I love my Evo but for work purposes and for my particular situation my work BB is superior. But I use my Evo for all of my personal stuff because it's a lot more fun and has a ton of features.
Back on topic....the iPhone is always going to have market share and will always be popular simply because it's become an icon. I'm not sure they really need to do a lot of upgrading on it for it to sell. I know a LOT of iPhone users who don't use a fraction of what it can do. But it's like a Coach purse (one of the low end ones with the big "C" logo all over it) in that it sends a message to everyone around. It's a fashion accessory for a lot of people.
But is it going to kill Android or any of the other phones? Of course not and especially if they can keep the price competitive while providing a phone that's a good alternative. But I do think that Google needs to better advertise the OS. I don't think that everyone gets that Android is a Google product and knows all that it can do. I think they can be a LOT more aggressive against Apple and really help garner attention.
james
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There's only one BB model I know of that you can actually use longer than 5 minutes before needing a recharge. And 4 of those minutes are spent trying to navigate the menu system and find stuff. The Bold is the only usable BB model that I know of that is decent. The rest of them are pure crap...I know from experience.

There will always be a large amount of people who hate Apple's proprietary and locked-down designs on principle.
Thus, unless Android support completely dies, there will always be a market for Android phones.

Sakabaka said:
There will always be a large amount of people who hate Apple's proprietary and locked-down designs on principle.
Thus, unless Android support completely dies, there will always be a market for Android phones.
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That's true. But there's a very real aspect of the system that could cause Android harm: fragmentation. There are way too many versions of Android right now where devs have to code their apps to suit all of those different versions. With iOS and WP7, fragmentation isn't an issue. More and more devs will follow a system where they can put in less efforts for greater rewards. It could get to a point with Android where the devs just don't want to mess with it when they can make all their money on iOS or WP7. This could lead to less and less support for Android, which in turn would lead to fewer and fewer sales.
I'm not saying it can happen in a season. But it can happen. And given enough complacency from Google, it could actually happen, period.

MartyLK,
No offense man, but where you been living under? RIM has been falling since they released the Storm, which was totally a failure.

Ice cream that's all I have to say google doesn't do small updates besides gingerbread an its suppose to be 4.O that's a big number jump so i am looking for my phone to be able to float with next update lmao
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MrShides said:
MartyLK,
No offense man, but where you been living under? RIM has been falling since they released the Storm, which was totally a failure.
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I'm referring to actual marketshare of RIM. RIM for a very long time has lead the market. Right now the only system to have breached it's strange lead has been Android. That has happened in the recent past...like within a couple months.

[Amateur Editorial] Next Generation of Phones will be the last for many

It is hard to argue that phones have not plateaued in terms of functionality. The iPhone 4S is simply an incremental upgrade to the iPhone 4. The next generation of Android phones are pushing pocket-able screen sizes to the limit. There is only so much you can do with a certain form factor, and this upcoming generation of phones is it. Applications run entirely smoothly, batteries are lasting entire days of moderate to heavy use, everything from a TV to a Vacuum Cleaner can interact with your phone through it's plethora of radios. And screens are so crisp that the human eye cannot even detect the pixels, perfect for watching full length, high definition movies on-the-go.
Two-year contracts sound like an eternity since the rapidly improving operating systems of Apple, Android, and Windows. However, there is an exponential decline of innovation between iterations of firmware. Donut to Eclair. HUGE. Eclair to Froyo. Big. Froyo to Gingerbread. Bug fixes and optimizations. Gingerbread to ICS. Superficial. What could possibly be next for a phone? Two years will surprisingly be too short for all but the nerdiest and niche interest groups. It's already been more than a year and a half with my Samsung Vibrant and other than tech-lust, there is no genuine reason for me to upgrade.
The next step for phones really isn't about phones at all. The next step is to systematically destroy every other gadget you currently own. The first to go? Laptops. The Atrix began this process, but it was for the most part a broken and overpriced experience. That will change as phones are becoming exponentially more powerful. One could argue that gaming laptops will still exist. Sure, for a couple more years. Kal-El, Wayne, Logan, Stark, Nvidia's superhero line-up of gpu/cpu chips. Stark being 100x more powerful than Tegra 2! One Hundred. These are theoretical, but the potential is staggering. Compounded with cloud-assisted browsing from Amazon Silk or Opera Mobile? Laptops are dead. Long Live Laptop Docks.
Next to go are dedicated tablets. Operating systems such as Android's Ice Cream Sandwich will unify the tablet and phone experience. ASUS wants to capitalize on this with their Padfone. Why buy a full price phone and tablet when you can buy just a phone and the tablet as an accessory for half the price? For myself, I would come home and plop my phone into the tablet. When I go out, I remove it. No more syncing. It's all consolidated. Not to mention when my tablet husk is home, it'll be charging all day. I won't even have to charge my phone or change my battery before I couch surf. Ah, laziness.
Last to go are game consoles. In fact, casual gaming is already on the horizon of being completely overrun by mobile devices. Portable gaming devices such as the Vita and 3DS are probably near the last of their kind. Nvidia's Stark will most certainly be able to support Full Stereoscopic HD output, if a processor before it cannot. This is my most speculative moment, but I can picture a future where your phone gets plugged into an HDMI/HDD Dock connected to your TV and you download most of the data for rented video games and stream the more volatile aspects such as sound effects, textures, and geometry. Discs will still exist due to their practicality, ownership, and offline use. Services like On-live will also become more prevalent as bandwidth costs decline. Okay, maybe consoles will be around for quite some time still, but their days are numbered.
In the meantime, phones will even make the phone part obsolete. Minute plans will be optional since not only is VoIP much cheaper, it's so much more clear and crisp. T-Mobile and Walmart are already headed down this direction. GPSs? Already dead. External webcams? Gone. Digital Cameras? Nope. External Hard drives? Cloud and SDXC will cover the masses.
Unless you are an IT or Content Creation professional, this next generation of phone will literally handle anything that you will ever need or want in a stand-alone phone device. For most of you, this is it. If you want a social networking, casual gaming, high quality photo-taking, VoIP/Webcam chatting, Global positioning, Netflix streaming, Hulu watching, cloud storing/syncing Super-phone, the wait is finally over. This is your year. This is not to say that phones will continue improving in performance and incremental updates, but there is literally NO more room for groundbreaking innovation within this particular form factor, only the hybridization and replacing of every other gadget that you own.
Oh, except for one feature I want. Built in noise-canceling support for headphones, like the Sony X-Series.

While this might be true, never forget that the platforms you use and love evolve. And that might get users to upgrade after all!
Take facebook for example. Right now, video calling is only available via Desktop operating systems. But I'm pretty sure that over the next few years this will come to mobile, meaning that your handset must be strong enough to handle it smoothly.
I don't think that even the average consumers will last with their 2011/12 handsets "forever".

This was a very good editorial.
I must say, that before every generation of new phones, people think "this is it, this will replace my pc/psp/etc...". While I do believe, that huge things are coming, I don't think this is THE generation yet.
We're getting more power, more apps, better screens, but we still lack (in my opinion) a solid OS that could replace Windows in every day use, and - perhaps more importantly - the average consumer lacks the mentality, that everything he wants done, can be done on his smartphone.
Also, to your list of killed devices, I would add "MP3 players"

good post and interesting read.
But isn't the next upgrade in generation of phones always been about replacing some other technology?
cameras, mp3 player, pda, operating system (android, ios) etc..
And all the while replacing these other things, the cell phone gets more efficient at it.

@smirny stuff like facebook specific video calling i would consider as incremental and non-essential. with upcoming generation, google talk is a viable option for video chat, plus there are many services such a Qik and Fring. I doubt (hope) that people aren't holding out on their phone purchase for facebook video. I couldn't imagine video chatting with an acquaintance from high school. All of your closest (video worthy) friends probably have another way of contacting you than facebook. I know that was just an example, but with quad-core devices on the horizon, video chat is covered.
@darktori i think that any OS that could replace Windows entirely would have to be on a different form factor than a phone. there will never be a way for a smartphone to do a better job creating a document than a laptop. that's where the hybridization comes in. my article discusses this is the end of the stand-alone smartphone road in terms of innovation. anything meant to replace windows in everyday use will break the phone form factor, whether it is tablet hybrids or laptop docks. those who want a smartphone, this is the year, because the only reason in the future to upgrade is to get this extra functionality. and yes, i did forget mp3 players
@dpmace yes it is. however, the phone has reached it's limit in its own form factor. everything from here on out will need a different form factor. to replace laptops, they need a dock, to replace game consoles, they need a controller built in (xperia play), to replace tablets, they need to become one. Phones themselves are maxxed out in terms what the can do as stand-alone devices. So this upcoming generation, the generation right before the mass hybridization of devices is the best time to buy a stand-alone smartphone for a long period of time. the upgrades afterwards will be superflous to those who don't need a laptop or tablet. their phones are already fast and capable of handling everything they need them to. they have an 8MP camera, why do they need a 16? they have a good phone GPS, why do they need a phone with a better one? they have a good GPU, why do they need a stronger one if they don't plan on outputting it to a TV? etc

Very nice and well thought out editorial piece. I'd have to disagree though, there's no way this is the best we're getting.
Regarding the iPhone 4S: Apple have always used incremental updates to get the most money possible from their users, and have mostly gotten away with it until now, because the earlier iPhones were missing really basic features. The iPhone 3G was big because it had 3G (what phone didn't even then?). The 3GS mostly upgraded the camera and I think the processor? The 4 was the only one that fundamentally changed anything in my honest opinion.
Software I'll mostly agree on, but I think ICS serves a great purpose of making android look better to the masses, standing out, and doing a much better job with multi-tasking.
Hardware is the big one. They still have a long way to go, in many ways.
Cameras are never likely to replace a dedicated camera, for the simple fact of space. A camera only gets so much space within the phone, and for every advance made in cameras that gets used on a phone, that same advance could be used on dedicated cameras, as well as extra ones that require more space.
Batteries are a big one, it's the reason you'll see so many posts on every phone's section of these forums, asking about battery life, and with kernels and mods aimed at giving extra battery life. It's why "battery extenders"can be downloaded so much in the market. If a phone came out next year, or the year after, where they concentrated their efforts on a great battery, and gave significantly more battery life, I'd definitely buy it.
I'll admit that the phones are reaching limits on what they've been concentrating on for now (screen size and processor/RAM) but they'll just expand in other ways. There's no way the phone manufacturers are just going to pump out similar phones and hope the customer prefers theirs to the one next to it on the shelf because of brand. There's still plenty of new ideas coming out every day, and they can add to the phone's functionality, not just superficially (like 3D). There's NFC, flexible screens (which on its own could bring about a lot of new ideas), added durability, and I'm sure a lot of things we haven't heard of.

Did you ever hear the quote that says "Technology has advanced more in the past thirty years than in the previous two thousand..."? That is 100% true and there is no sign of slowing down. Things that you can't imagine today can be possible within years. So I just can't agree to the fact that you are basically stating that besides a few tweaks and improvements, technology has come to a complete halt.

Excellent editorial. Love all your points except with gaming consoles becoming extinct. I find this to be untrue and impossible in the sense that phones, computers, Hard drives, or whatever, the concept of them storing your games, e.g. PS3 games which are at most 50gb (note gaming data size will grow too since it is proportional to graphics), is impractical. In the sense that you can only "hold so much", and our "so much" capacity isn't nearly close to our desire capacity. So gaming consoles will stay.
Unless you are suggesting we develop a different evolutionary storage medium or sort of micro usb which stores the game and the phone simply reads off the device and plays. Now that is plausible. The only problem there is will the phones withstand the heat exerted? As we all know in proportional to the graphic intensity of the game so will the amount of power demanded by the GPU or porcessor, which in turn will be expended as heat. So considering it will take a lot of power, it will give a "lot" of heat. Story short, our phones will not withstand the heat and melt.

Kailkti said:
Excellent editorial. Love all your points except with gaming consoles becoming extinct. I find this to be untrue and impossible in the sense that phones, computers, Hard drives, or whatever, the concept of them storing your games, e.g. PS3 games which are at most 50gb (note gaming data size will grow too since it is proportional to graphics), is impractical. In the sense that you can only "hold so much", and our "so much" capacity isn't nearly close to our desire capacity. So gaming consoles will stay.
Unless you are suggesting we develop a different evolutionary storage medium or sort of micro usb which stores the game and the phone simply reads off the device and plays. Now that is plausible. The only problem there is will the phones withstand the heat exerted? As we all know in proportional to the graphic intensity of the game so will the amount of power demanded by the GPU or porcessor, which in turn will be expended as heat. So considering it will take a lot of power, it will give a "lot" of heat. Story short, our phones will not withstand the heat and melt.
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The future of gaming lies with Onlive. Your device will just be a thin client, awaiting video from the Onlive servers that will do the heavy lifting for you. I envision a gaming world where you use a bluetooth controller to play a game that's streamed to your TV in HD resolution via your smartphone.
We have the technology to do this already, it's just not the kind of gaming experience hardcore gamers will accept, but give the technology a couple more years to develop.

Oh right. Forgot about OnLive, prolly cuz i haven't heard about it since the release. But you are right it is a promising feature. the only problem is it requires a steady data connection, which sadly, we know not everyone is blessed with. But soon enough the entire world will modernize to have data being able to flow to every where so that won't be a problem, the problem will be in the case of system failure, both data provider and server, which I am sure happens a lot.

Have you not seen Iron Man 2? I want a phone that is just a sheet of glass and is fully integrate-able with everything around it on the fly. When that comes out, I think the innovation has ceased.
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If any of you guys play Shadowrun 4th edition, you'll know that the ultimate is a display in your glasses, goggles, contact lenses, or even cybernetic implants in your eyes.
Pocketability be gone!

vadyr56 said:
Have you not seen Iron Man 2? I want a phone that is just a sheet of glass and is fully integrate-able with everything around it on the fly. When that comes out, I think the innovation has ceased.
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or remember when he was designing the suit, everything was virtual and he could touch it.
One day we shall have that!! Then maybe screen sizes will be obsolete.

vadyr56 said:
Have you not seen Iron Man 2? I want a phone that is just a sheet of glass and is fully integrate-able with everything around it on the fly. When that comes out, I think the innovation has ceased.
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Un What about graphene tech? Samsungs going to be releasing foldable and bendable phones. The first one using this tech is apparently due next year.

hungry81 said:
Un What about graphene tech? Samsungs going to be releasing foldable and bendable phones. The first one using this tech is apparently due next year.
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That would be cool too, how about a phone that can be used in a "normal" size mode (say around 4.5") and then can unfold into a 20" tablet!

Good first try. Not everyone willing to put down their thoughts in a form of long article.
However there are some fundamental flaw:
bdroc said:
The next step for phones really isn't about phones at all. The next step is to systematically destroy every other gadget you currently own. .
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I'm not sure you understand the word "systematically" and "destroy". I simply don't see phones "destroying" EVERY other gadget, especially the following few you mentioned.
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The first to go? Laptops.
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No, at least for a good decade. People been saying this to desktops when laptops became very popular. Now? Desktops are still being made and sold. Nowhere near "been destroyed".
And this paragraph gets ridiculous when you say cellphone SoC can replace dedicated GPU. You are saying essentially play Crysis (PC Game, 2008) on a cellphone, which is NEVER going to happen.
Once you understand how powerful a dedicated GPU is, you will realize how stupid it is to make such claim.
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This is purely based on user habits. My cousins have both iphones and ipads. I have a G2x and a laptop. Unless you can make sure a 4 inch phone screen does not exhaust your eyes with extended use, then you can never make such claim.
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This is getting more ridiculous. Also mentioned above the "power of a dedicated GPU", cellphones are NEVER to replace game consoles.
I personally still prefer those gadgets you mentioned as separate gadgets and I am not a minority.
So let's calm down with the Android fanboyish hardware craze, and face the reality.

I don't think it's safe to say that phones have reached feature-completeness, although i agree that developers are going to have to start thinking in dimensions other than "what can we do without having to make any serious changes to the system".
When i look at the Android platform, especially, i see huge amounts of possibility. For example, your phone could basically obsolete a huge amount of what we encounter in our daily lives. Bus/train pass? Nope, NFC with a phone app. (These will still exist, of course, but for those with phones there won't be any interaction with them.) Credit cards, likewise, will be gone. Ultimately we'll be going to all-data, eliminating the phone/text/etc nonsense. Or at least, someone will. Probably not the US. That will become more useful in the long term, though.
But i think there's going to be more than just replacing other things with a more unified device.
For example, in the future your phone could ping your home PC and wake it up even if it was sleeping. Then you would be able to "log in" just like a normal user and get your full PC desktop on your phone. This isn't replacing your PC, it's using your phone as an additional way to access it--much like your mouse/keyboard/monitor! You could, for example, do an "OnLive" sort of thing but with your phone. This is actually already possible, but it's a pain to set up and we don't have phones that are strong enough/batteries that last long enough/data connections big enough to truly make it happen.
Or for another possibility, Google Goggles is something that already exists... but in the future it will operate in real time. Hold your phone up and you'll get all the information from Goggles overlaid on top of the image from the camera. You could take it a step further, too, and have a digital "message board" or comment system, where people can write things and attach them to real world objects which will then be displayed for others. (As someone suggested: really you want this sort of tech in your glasses, or something like that, but it will likely go through phones first.)
Heck, you could set that as your phone's wallpaper and not even have to open an app.
The "Tony Stark phone" could be a reality, although not at those precise dimensions. You could have a phone with no "UI" (although Stark's phone has a pretty interesting-looking UI on it if you examine it) but just have the Goggles-enhanced real world overlay on it. To interact with it you could issue voice commands--or touch it to bring up a UI.
Your phone could control your car in a tremendously "what the 1950s thought the future would look like" sort of way: get into the car, pull the phone out, then say "Car, take me to my house". Then sit back and relax, because the car will drive itself there. (Technically you don't even need the phone for that, but hey...)
This is all sort of crazy dreaming, but it's still not even "lateral thinking"--it's just extending things your phone can already do.

Rumoured discontent? Are Manufacturers dragging their feet with Android development?

Well topic/discussion purposed is Samsung's muddled delivery of ICS part of a larger rumoured back lash from manufacturers whom seem to be upset at Google for three reasons? First is Google’s acquisition of Motorola mobility apparently still doesn’t sit well with OEM's, the discontent has been amplified by reason number two. Some still don’t buy the party line of patent purchase only. This seems ungrateful from an outsiders point of view should this speculation hold true.
See such an article here:
http://www.androidauthority.com/google-motorola-deal-android-manufacturers-73966/
Second is Google trying to execute more control as many in blogs and tech articles have suggested Google should. This has been to address the issues of diversity and “fragmentation” that Google has faced criticism for. To what degree is Google executing control still remains to be seen. On a side note I and others have suggested the OEM’s give a stronger and narrower focus with fewer new devices but more polish and support.
Third is that Google with Android has not shown the preferential treatment the big players would have preferred; allowing smaller brands to gain ground and market share using this open platform. Brands like Archos, ZTE, and Huawei. Also allowed ASUS to gain a foot hold in the mobile market, ASUS who now seems to have a strong relationship with Google.
Samsung’s fudged ICS upgrade alone may mean nothing. But with HTC recent delivery and overhaul of ICS, combined with Sony decision to possibly hold ICS upgrades because it feels they miss the mark of quality could be indications of such unrest with the Manufacturers is more than just rumours. If such unhappiness is present and being actioned or plotted that’s where things turn interesting or concerning.
Many would think this unwise considering the lack of success with Manufacturers own proprietary OS’s. Nokia's Symbian slowly lost out, Bada is nowhere near the success Sammy had hoped for, despite cited as being more popular at the beginning of this year than Windows Phone. Meego didn't see much of a life.
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I think regarding the purchase of Motorola, it is definitely seen as simply a patent buyout. There are plenty of rumours of them already trying to sell the hardware side of Motorola.
Gaining 17,000 (or was it 12,000) patents is going to be a very good thing for manufacturers, knowing that they are much less likely to be sued with the added protection from the extra patents. However, if rumours are true and Google is looking to sell to Huwaie (?) then that will be another manufacturer up there all vying for a shot at the big time. The good thing is competition breed competition, so we will see devices continuously being updated and bettered, whereas the iPhone will not see this at such a rate.
I think Google trying to take a bit more control over Android is overall a good thing, even if manufacturers may not like it so much because it means it is harder to put out the cheaper handsets that have been selling so well.

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I think regarding the purchase of Motorola, it is definitely seen as simply a patent buyout. There are plenty of rumours of them already trying to sell the hardware side of Motorola.
Gaining 17,000 (or was it 12,000) patents is going to be a very good thing for manufacturers, knowing that they are much less likely to be sued with the added protection from the extra patents. However, if rumours are true and Google is looking to sell to Huwaie (?) then that will be another manufacturer up there all vying for a shot at the big time. The good thing is competition breed competition, so we will see devices continuously being updated and bettered, whereas the iPhone will not see this at such a rate.
I think Google trying to take a bit more control over Android is overall a good thing, even if manufacturers may not like it so much because it means it is harder to put out the cheaper handsets that have been selling so well.
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So far Google hasn't appeared to have had much influence on Motorola, many because it hasn't been fully approved/finalized. Oddly enough the hold up is China. The strength of the rumour Google selling the Hardware division to Hauwei is the ability to capitalise on the lucrative Chinese market where Android already is dominating.
Time will tell about the patent side, although no evidence is apparent that supports its more than a patent purchase. We'll have to see who gets the next Nexus smartphone and tablet.

Is it (money)wise to upgrade to the new Apple iPhone 13(Pro)?

Hi all,
Since the release of the new Apple 13 (Pro) device, the main question is: do the new features of this new Apple iPhone justify to upgrade from an Apple 11 or Apple 12? In a lot of reviews the new Apple 13 is mainly seen as an/compared to the Apple 12S with minor added features. What are the new features of the new iPhone 13 (Pro)?
1. Better camera's compared to it's predecessors
2. More storage
3. A bit faster processor
4. Faster loading and a bit greater battery
But the question still remains, is it worth to upgrade?
IMPO, this is not the case when you own, as I do, the Apple Pro 12 Max. It's only worth to upgrade when you are a die-hard photographer. Then you will enjoy and appreciate the added new features in the Apple iPhone 13, which are somewhat disappointing regarding the costs. Also the update from iOS 14.8 to iOS 15 do not lead to big improvements, which is Apple unworthy unfortunately. Also the use of the lightning cable has become obsolete as of today. Apple has to switch to the, at this very moment, generally accepted USB C cable. A severe omission. What are your experciences and considerations to buy the new Apple iPhone? Am I right or wrong?
kindest regards, kuzibri

Whether the iPhone are pricey or not, totally depends on what weights more on your value scale.
iPhone is simple, easy to use (ridiculously easy), and very powerful in many aspects.
Apple managed to benefit from this combination.
Of course there's a lot of cons and pros, but there's something you need to know, if you were to buy a phone from Apple, Apple has one line of phones, and they are the company's flagship products.
You know how much flagship devices cost, the difference lays in what each OS offers. I personally don't like Apple products. So much underestimates.

I also disliked Apple products due to their stuberness to let us choose our own home display, etc. I acknowledged though that they made beautiful devices (my wife is an Apple addict). But at a certain moment, Apple released the watch 6 of which I was stunned by it's possibilities compared to the Fitbit Versa 2. I relealized that when I wanted to buy this watch, I also needed to buy an iPhone. Not so an interesting idea, UNTILL Apple released iOS 14.5, with which it was possible to achieve what I wanted, e.g. compose my own home display. This was the moment to make the switch for me and after one year now, I totally do not miss Android at all. Using the Apple now, I noticed a few things in comparison with Android: 1. It never crashes, 2. Updates, in contrast to Android, are not only on a very regular basis, but devices are also supported for a long time. Now iOS 15 is released, which still works on an iPhone 6S. This is not the case with the support of any of the Android devices. Besides that, altough the iPhones are not cheap, the Samsung top devices are also vey expensive. My home display is now exactly the same as I had on my Android devices. Regards kuzibri

I picked up my second new Note 10+, 256gb, 12gb ram for $800 a week ago.
Anything without a SD card slot is dead to me.
A dual drive 1.25tb handheld PC... hell yeah.
Apples run very good, are very easy to use, and bore me to tears. I loathe them; they are overpriced and use CCP sweat cities to manufacture them. The bright icons and pastels drive me insane; Debbie would love them.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock phones on the planet. Unfortunately the 10+ and Android 10 were Samsung's and Android's best releases to date respectively. Which is why I went with a 2nd 10+, sad but true.
It's ok because even after 2 years the 10+ is just plain fun to use; fast, stable, excellent build Q with one of the best displays there is even today. No high refresh rates but better color rendering than even some newer flagship phones. The display has perfectly square corners, none of that horrible CRT roundness here. 7mm thick, even in a good case it's thin. Pics don't do it justice. The spen nests until needed as a remote shutter release or for Smart Capture which is great to have.
No way I would upgrade the Apple, but I'm extremely biased and hate pastels

blackhawk said:
I picked up my second new Note 10+, 256gb, 12gb ram for $800 a week ago.
Anything without a SD card slot is dead to me.
A dual drive 1.25tb handheld PC... hell yeah.
Apples run very good, are very easy to use, and bore me to tears. I loathe them; they are overpriced and use CCP sweat cities to manufacture them. The bright icons and pastels drive me insane; Debbie would love them.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock phones on the planet. Unfortunately the 10+ and Android 10 were Samsung's and Android's best releases to date respectively. Which is why I went with a 2nd 10+, sad but true.
It's ok because even after 2 years the 10+ is just plain fun to use; fast, stable, excellent build Q with one of the best displays there is even today. No high refresh rates but better color rendering than even some newer flagship phones. The display has perfectly square corners, none of that horrible CRT roundness here. 7mm thick, even in a good case it's thin. Pics don't do it justice. The spen nests until needed as a remote shutter release or for Smart Capture which is great to have.
No way I would upgrade the Apple, but I'm extremely biased and hate pastels
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Hi, very glad that I finally stirred up the discussion between Android and Apple users. As already mentioned, used to be a very satisfied Android user, but since Apple introduced the iOS 14, there is no difference anymore between an Android and Apple device. You're now able to make your own Home Screen, just like in Android. And let's be honest, which company gives updates so long to old devices as Apple. The most recent Apple iOS is 15 and runs on an Apple 6S. No Android device supports that long their devices. All in all, I do agree with earlier responders that Apple used to be boring, but that is now just ancient history since the release of iOS 14.5 and certainly now iOS15. Best regards, kuzibri

I haven't played with an Apple in 6 years... so there's that. That icon pack burns my eyes and display out though. Apple is going in unsavory directions on multiple fronts now. No SD card support alone though blows them out of the water.
As for updates once I have firmware that's fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission I leave it be. I rarely update and rarely have issues, that's not a coincidence. I may update my older 10+ running on 9 to 10, the same as the new one but that will be the last update.
Security simply isn't an issue. My current way outdated load is 16 months old, still fast and stable. No breaches.
All my critical data is redundantly backed up, a forced reload is the worst that could happen. Down time 2 hours, 6 if I need to repopulate the SD card. Any major firmware upgrade would cause far more downtime and worse could permanently degrade performance or capabilities.
I see no real advantage to updating an old device with a bloated OS it's hardware wasn't designed to handle. OS's tend to get larger, not smaller and are designed/optimized with the current hardware in use. So that 3, 5 whatever years support doesn't impress me in the least.
Tough choices if you are even considering one platform let alone two. I probably would wait to latter in 2022, even 2023. My next new purchase will be probably 2023 or latter. This year is a bust for Samsung and likely 2022. Apple may or may not be faring as badly, but there are supply chain issues worldwide. China is also having power infrastructure issues as well as a growing political storm both of their own making. I expect especially the latter to grow worse not better in the next 3 years.

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Hi, very glad that I finally stirred up the discussion between Android and Apple users. As already mentioned, used to be a very satisfied Android user, but since Apple introduced the iOS 14, there is no difference anymore between an Android and Apple device. You're now able to make your own Home Screen, just like in Android. And let's be honest, which company gives updates so long to old devices as Apple. The most recent Apple iOS is 15 and runs on an Apple 6S. No Android device supports that long their devices. All in all, I do agree with earlier responders that Apple used to be boring, but that is now just ancient history since the release of iOS 14.5 and certainly now iOS15. Best regards, kuzibri
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I don't mean to be rude, I'm sorry, but .. do you really want to compare the customisation level between Apple & Android?
Apple is never close to a customisable OS, it has always been late to the party. Not just the home screen, there's a lot of features took it years to implement, though they were on Android for a long.
I used iPhone 11 Pro Max for about a week. I don't know, but I never got relieved about it. Leaving all the customisation behind, and step into a kindergarten?
One thing I hated was Apple's underestimation, they act & think on your behalf. If they thought a regular user don't need to manage files, they'll not integrate any support for file manager.
That's exactly how their security system works, if they thought something can risk the device, they don't build a firewall, they just eliminate the target. A very good example is the recent Visa payment hacking issue, where a warning was sent to remove the Visa as a payment method.
I see this very ridiculous, it gets the job done, but in a non-professional way.
In the other hand, Android does not think on your behalf, it gives you what an iPhone lacks, an option. A vast range of options, and if something doesn't suit you, you can change it. Or simply, build it.
I think I may use an iPhone when I'm dying or something. At least I won't have anything else to do but socialising.

Hi, "@Mohamedkam000: do you really want to compare the customisation level between Apple & Android?". No that is not my purpose. My point is that untill recentrly there were two incompatible worlds, e.g. the Android world vs the Apple one. Now, due to the the release of iOs 14.5 Apple offers somewhat more possibilities to customize your device. Untill recently I belonged to the Android world and my motto was always "Apple is for dummies", although I was also always under the impression of the build quality of the devices, which is beyond doubt. Since it's possible to customize your iPhone, it has become easier, certainly if you just like me want the Apple watch but not the iPhone, to make the switch to Apple. There is now more or less an "in-between" world. That's my point, no more or less. Kind regards, kuzibri
BTW: let's be honest, the best OS for mobile devices that even existed was Windows Mobile, which was as versatile as it could be. I owned an HTC HD2 with windows mobile, android and apple on one phone and all working perfect.

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Hi, "@Mohamedkam000: do you really want to compare the customisation level between Apple & Android?". No that is not my purpose. My point is that untill recentrly there were two incompatible worlds, e.g. the Android world vs the Apple one. Now, due to the the release of iOs 14.5 Apple offers somewhat more possibilities to customize your device. Untill recently I belonged to the Android world and my motto was always "Apple is for dummies", although I was also always under the impression of the build quality of the devices, which is beyond doubt. Since it's possible to customize your iPhone, it has become easier, certainly if you just like me want the Apple watch but not the iPhone, to make the switch to Apple. There is now more or less an "in-between" world. That's my point, no more or less. Kind regards, kuzibri
BTW: let's be honest, the best OS for mobile devices that even existed was Windows Mobile, which was as versatile as it could be. I owned an HTC HD2 with windows mobile, android and apple on one phone and all working perfect.
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I can go ahead and bring the pros and cons of iOS, but that's a long fight. So I'm gonna stick into the reasons you're providing to justify iPhone.
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due to the the release of iOs 14.5 Apple offers somewhat more possibilities to customize your device
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I don't think you ever tried custom ROMs on Android phones. CyanogenMod? What about MIUI custom ROMs of 2014? How about the famous LineageOS?
Okay let go of the systems, how about Xposed? Ever used it? Ever used Dr. Ketan's ROMs? I'm asking to see if you had any experience in deep customisation.
Okay, do you know that you can change the home screen launcher on Android? You can change icons? You can use themes? Not just a wallpaper, a full theme.
If you know that, I wonder how can you even think about saying the iPhone is comparable to the customisation level on Android.
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"Apple is for dummies"
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The company does literally acknowledge this phrase. And they are right to assume that. But, they are profiting from their right assumption.
Apple treats people like babies, people don't need the complications of programming and themes and customisation and other stuff. People just need to pay and use the limited things Apple offers.
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want the Apple watch but not the iPhone
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Safety features like Fall Detection, Emergency SOS, and high and low heart rate notifications make Apple Watch great for older family members, even if they don't own an iPhone.
Calling, texting, and location sharing provide an easy way to stay connected with the family. Where I live, no one cares about smart watches, so I can't speak about it.
One last thing:-
iPhone has been released earlier than Android, it was revolutionary back then, and as you know, first impressions has a very huge impact on the customer's preference.
I have a relative that is using an iPhone for appearances, but his actual primary phone is an Android. It simply helps him a lot in his work, for he don't need a laptop to manage files or something.

@Mohamedkam000 said: I don't think you ever tried custom ROMs on Android phones. CyanogenMod? What about MIUI custom ROMs of 2014? How about the famous LineageOS?" Yes in my Android time I have used a lot of custom ROM's, like f.i. CyanogenMod, Artemis Rom, etc. So I'm familiar to customizations. To state that the iWatch is only for older family members is IMPO at least shortsighted. It's by far the best smartwatch available at this very moment (except for battery life). My sole purpose is to bring the Android and Apple world somewhat closer together instead of the current "War of the worlds". Both make beautiful devices with it'own pros and cons. Kind regards kuzibri

kuzibri said:
@Mohamedkam000 said: I don't think you ever tried custom ROMs on Android phones. CyanogenMod? What about MIUI custom ROMs of 2014? How about the famous LineageOS?" Yes in my Android time I have used a lot of custom ROM's, like f.i. CyanogenMod, Artemis Rom, etc. So I'm familiar to customizations. To state that the iWatch is only for older family members is IMPO at least shortsighted. It's by far the best smartwatch available at this very moment (except for battery life). My sole purpose is to bring the Android and Apple world somewhat closer together instead of the current "War of the worlds". Both make beautiful devices with it'own pros and cons. Kind regards kuzibri
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Unless Apple changes its ecosystem of which it does not allow its devices to work well with other rival products, there's no way the two worlds could join.

Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this "Unless Apple changes its ecosystem of which it does not allow its devices to work well with other rival products, there's no way the two worlds could join." If we're holding on to these points of view, indeed the two worlds will never join. It's a matter of giving and taking. F.i. you ask Apple to change their ecosystem in order to work well with each other. But, what do yo have in return for Apple? That's the main problem for this dead end. As I see it, Apple has a lot of knowledge about securing the privacy of their users, while Android suffers once and a while from mal/ransomware due to the opensource of the OS. See what I mean? Regards, kuzibri
BTW: this does not mean that I'm able on my own to solve that problem not are you, but if we cooperate in this line, we might be able to convince some leading persons of both sides to do something about this.
BTW2: Also see this regarding customizations regarding icons on an iPhone: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/customizations-on-the-apple-iphone.4342639/. It's only an example of many other apps.

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Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this "Unless Apple changes its ecosystem of which it does not allow its devices to work well with other rival products, there's no way the two worlds could join." If we're holding on to these points of view, indeed the two worlds will never join. It's a matter of giving and taking. F.i. you ask Apple to change their ecosystem in order to work well with each other. But, what do yo have in return for Apple? That's the main problem for this dead end. As I see it, Apple has a lot of knowledge about securing the privacy of their users, while Android suffers once and a while from mal/ransomware due to the opensource of the OS. See what I mean? Regards, kuzibri
BTW: this does not mean that I'm able on my own to solve that problem not are you, but if we cooperate in this line, we might be able to convince some leading persons of both sides to do something about this.
BTW2: Also see this regarding customizations regarding icons on an iPhone: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/customizations-on-the-apple-iphone.4342639/. It's only an example of many other apps.
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iPhone is safer than Android, but not more secure. For a device that receives so many patches for vulnerabilities, it doesn't seem to be better than Android.
I mean .. I've never heard of an essay alerting Android users to remove their Visa from the device. Android does fix the vulnerability. Apple does remove the reason the vulnerability is their in the first place.
Android is used by many, many people around the world, it is a very attractive target for hackers, of course it'll get some attacks. But, most of them does exploit the negligence of the phone owner. Like the latest report of malware-infected apps.
Example: Samsung has allowed iOS devices to connect to her Watch products for a long, maybe sometimes there's some missing features, but that's because it is created for Samsung devices.
On the other hand, Apple smartwatch does not allow any Android device to pair with it, it simply refuses to pair. If it was really a give-and-take, then Apple will take and not give.

Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this: "On the other hand, Apple smartwatch does not allow any Android device to pair with it, it simply refuses to pair. If it was really a give-and-take, then Apple will take and not give.", see this video:
. It's not flawless, but it's possible.
Pairing Android watches to an iPhone is also not very easy and has it's disadvantages: https://www.lifewire.com/pairing-android-wearables-with-the-iphone-3875746. Regards kuzibri

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Hi @Mohamedkam000 , regarding this: "On the other hand, Apple smartwatch does not allow any Android device to pair with it, it simply refuses to pair. If it was really a give-and-take, then Apple will take and not give.", see this video:
. It's not flawless, but it's possible.
Pairing Android watches to an iPhone is also not very easy and has it's disadvantages: https://www.lifewire.com/pairing-android-wearables-with-the-iphone-3875746. Regards kuzibri
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I thought we were talking about what is official, and what can be done without using back-door. Hacks happen due to an existing restriction, iPhone does not need to hack anything to connect to Samsung Watch, it is allowed to. Sometimes with limited features, and you know why.
I know there is Jailbreak on iPhone, too. But have you thought about the word itself? Jail? Break? iPhone is a Jail? Like .. I've never seen a company that makes choices on behalf of their customers like Apple do. It'll probably take them years to, for example, add another user-prefered customisation features.

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I thought we were talking about what is official, and what can be done without using back-door. Hacks happen due to an existing restriction, iPhone does not need to hack anything to connect to Samsung Watch, it is allowed to. Sometimes with limited features, and you know why.
I know there is Jailbreak on iPhone, too. But have you thought about the word itself? Jail? Break? iPhone is a Jail? Like .. I've never seen a company that makes choices on behalf of their customers like Apple do. It'll probably take them years to, for example, add another user-prefered customisation features.
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I just replied to your remark that Apple does not allow to pair with Android Smartwatches at all, no more or less. The only Smartwatch I know that supports both Android and, in a bit minor fashion, Apple's iOS, are the Fitbit devices due to their own Fitbit OS. Maybe in the near future Google Smartwatches are able of paring to Apple due to the fact that Google bought Fitbit.

Depending on what factors more heavily on your value scale, you can decide whether the iPhone is expensive or not. The iPhone is straightforward, really simple to operate, and extremely powerful in many ways. Apple was successful in gaining from this combo.
There are undoubtedly many advantages and disadvantages, but if you were to get an Apple phone, you should be aware that the business only produces one line of phones, which are its flagship models.
The pricing of flagship devices is well known; the differences are in the features that each OS provides. Apple items don't appeal to me personally. Much is understated. But I had spent a lot of money to buy it.

Curiosity kills the cat: Eager to know what the considerations of new buyers are in choosing a new device, either be it an Android one or an Apple.

Hi all, I fully realize that this is a difficult question in this forum of mainly Android adepts, but nevertheless I'm just curious what people drive to buy an Android device or an Apple one. Wherefore then this question? Simple, at this very moment there are two incompatible worlds, the Android one versus the Apple one, e.g. either you're an Android adept and hate Apple or vice versa. But there is since a short while a change in the stubbern Apple's philosophy to determine what you can do with it's devices, meaning nothing at all. Apple used to determine how you use the device. Since the release of Apple iOS14.5 there is a slight, but significant change, in this philosophy. Now you're able to customize your own home screen with widgets, etc. You're even able to get your Apple's home display look like an Android one (see attachment). I have been for many years an Android adept who always stated the Apple is for dummies. After the release of the iWatch 6 and noticing all of it's capabilities, I wanted one but neglected it cause I did not want an iPhone for the above reasons. This changed after the release of iOS14.5 and certainly after the release of iOS 15. I now own not only the iWatch 6 but also the Apple 12 Pro Max and customized my iPhone to my needs. So all in all, I'm just curious if this kneel from Apple towards it's users leads to a sort of "in between world", instead of two incompatible worlds. Kind regards kuzibri

IMO you can't compare Apple with Android, but at most Apple's iPhone with Android phones from different manufacturers, Apple's iOS with Android OS which is different from manufacturer to manufacturer.
My resume with regards to difference:
Phones with Android OS can be expensive, phones with iOS always are, although both are based on an unix-like kernel.

Hi, thanks for your post. It's not my intention to compare Apple with Android or vv, but just curious what drives people to either buy (one of the many) an Android device or an Apple one. Both sides have very great devices but the world between them is immense. Kind regards, kuzibri

In September, 2021 the worldwide market share of Apple iPhones and Android OS based phones in terms of devices with a mobile OS was
73% Android OS based phones
17% Apple iPhones
what I think says all.

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In September, 2021 the worldwide market share of Apple iPhones and Android OS based phones in terms of devices with a mobile OS was
73% Android OS based phones
17% Apple iPhones
what I think says all.
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These % do not mean a lot IMPO. There are lots of Android devices on the market (Samsung, Reno, Huawei, Google, Sony, etc, etc, etc) compared to Apple. So it's completely logical that Android sells more phones than Apple.

kuzibri said:
Simple, at this very moment there are two incompatible worlds, the Android one versus the Apple one, e.g. either you're an Android adept and hate Apple or vice versa.
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That's not entirely true. There are simple people and people who prefer simplicity, but it is not necessarily that simple. Until this year, I've always had both. The only reason I don't now is unfortunate circumstance (factory defect), not choice.
Realistically, there are a decent number of people with Android devices that went after an iPhone and either couldn't get it because it was sold out, found a novelty feature about an Android device that caught their eye, or were sold on how much cheaper it was to get something that the clerk said was "fundamentally identical" (where it mattered). Some go back immediately, some later, and some find they were actually fans of Android that just never knew it.

twistedumbrella said:
That's not entirely true. There are simple people and people who prefer simplicity, but it is not necessarily that simple. Until this year, I've always had both. The only reason I don't now is unfortunate circumstance (factory defect), not choice.
Realistically, there are a decent number of people with Android devices that went after an iPhone and either couldn't get it because it was sold out, found a novelty feature about an Android device that caught their eye, or were sold on how much cheaper it was to get something that the clerk said was "fundamentally identical" (where it mattered). Some go back immediately, some later, and some find they were actually fans of Android that just never knew it.
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Many thanks for your objective answer. This kind of answer is the sole purpose of this thread. Kind regards kuzibri

kuzibri said:
Hi, thanks for your post. It's not my intention to compare Apple with Android or vv, but just curious what drives people to either buy (one of the many) an Android device or an Apple one. Both sides have very great devices but the world between them is immense. Kind regards, kuzibri
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My preferences are simple. Expandable storage, and the ability to unlock the bootloader (proves manufacturer has nothing to hide/true ownership of the device), and dark mode. Blinding white screens were the dumbest idea ever. Anything else is a bonus.

kuzibri said:
Hi all, I fully realize that this is a difficult question in this forum of mainly Android adepts, but nevertheless I'm just curious what people drive to buy an Android device or an Apple one. Wherefore then this question? Simple, at this very moment there are two incompatible worlds, the Android one versus the Apple one, e.g. either you're an Android adept and hate Apple or vice versa. But there is since a short while a change in the stubbern Apple's philosophy to determine what you can do with it's devices, meaning nothing at all. Apple used to determine how you use the device. Since the release of Apple iOS14.5 there is a slight, but significant change, in this philosophy. Now you're able to customize your own home screen with widgets, etc. You're even able to get your Apple's home display look like an Android one (see attachment). I have been for many years an Android adept who always stated the Apple is for dummies. After the release of the iWatch 6 and noticing all of it's capabilities, I wanted one but neglected it cause I did not want an iPhone for the above reasons. This changed after the release of iOS14.5 and certainly after the release of iOS 15. I now own not only the iWatch 6 but also the Apple 12 Pro Max and customized my iPhone to my needs. So all in all, I'm just curious if this kneel from Apple towards it's users leads to a sort of "in between world", instead of two incompatible worlds. Kind regards kuzibri
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You can read about my exploits with my Android phone here:
Any help rooting or unlocking bootloader on the incredibly unpopular Blu Life One X3?
So, here's my problem: I bought a Blu Life One X3 late last year since it was on sale for $150 ($100 lower than the current MSRP). Since it was still a new release, I thought that the modders would come after it eventually, so I just waited it...
forum.xda-developers.com
I chose Android because it's infinitely configurable... I've got mine to the point that there's no logging, no aGPS, no ability to remotely enable aGPS or any tracking 'features', no Near Field radio spying, no ads, no ad tracking, etc. My phone doesn't even have an Advertising ID. There's no 'phoning home' to Google or any of the advertising trackers whatsoever.
Everything 'Google' is either uninstalled or disabled completely except for the phone app (I can't find one that works well with this phone), and even that is neutered so contacts and phone calls aren't tracked by Google.
As such, my phone runs a long, long time. Even when using it, the battery only decreases by ~3% / hour. So I could literally talk for 30 hours straight and still have battery left.
Before I modded the phone, the CPU always ran warm because of all the corporate spyware stuff. Now I've got it throttled so when it's plugged into USB, it can run all 8 cores at speeds between 299 MHz and 819 MHz, and when it's unplugged, it's throttled to a single core limited to between 299 MHz and 442 MHz, with little noticeable lag.
My wife, on the other hand, got an iPhone... she's constantly plugging it in to charge, it tracks everything she does and says (and now they're perusing people's cloud storage, purportedly for CP), she gets all sorts of ads for stuff she's mentioned verbally. We've noticed the Siri 'creepy laugh' twice, and the camera came on by itself once... her phone isn't allowed in the bedroom.

Hi @electrofryed and @Lusty Rugnuts, many thanks for your posts and considerations on buying which phone. Your answers I was looking for when starting this thread, kindest regards kuzibri