Hello,
I am currently considering to buy either 1st or 2nd generation manufacturer refurbished Nexus 7.
I am estimating that the lowest price I can probably get for 2nd gen manufacturer refurb 16GB Nexus 7 is about 180 (220 probably for 32GB)
Whereas, 32GB refurb Nexus 7 is sold only for around 150 in Ebay these days.
In one word, 2nd gen is definitely a better tablet whereas 1st gen is a better tablet for price (I think).
So...
1. Is Nexus7 1st gen really that horrible?
I have heard lots of complaints about 1st gen N7's hardware.
People claimed that Tegra3 sucks and it lags, display has horrible color saturation and color tone, and Tablet itself is too thick compared to 2nd Gen.
But... is it that horrible? (I am especially concerned with the performance part)
2. Does 2nd gen N7 worth the money
Well it costs about $70 more on Ebay.
Do you think it worth the money?
(in some sense, it is 50% more expansive then its 1st gen version)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Have a nice day!
PS
Also, do you think if I get a 16GB version of N7, do you think I will eventually regret due to lack of storage?
Hello,
I am currently considering to buy either 1st or 2nd generation manufacturer refurbished Nexus 7.
I am estimating that the lowest price I can probably get for 2nd gen manufacturer refurb 16GB Nexus 7 is about 180 (220 probably for 32GB)
Whereas, 32GB refurb Nexus 7 is sold only for around 150 in Ebay these days.
In one word, 2nd gen is definitely a better tablet whereas 1st gen is a better tablet for price (I think).
So...
1. Is Nexus7 1st gen really that horrible?
I have heard lots of complaints about 1st gen N7's hardware.
People claimed that Tegra3 sucks and it lags (does it lag more than GS3?), display has horrible color saturation and color tone, and Tablet itself is too thick compared to 2nd Gen.
But... is it that horrible? (I am especially concerned with the performance part)
2. Does 2nd gen N7 worth the money
Well it costs about $70 more on Ebay.
Do you think it worth the money?
(in some sense, it is 50% more expansive then its 1st gen version)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Have a nice day!
PS
Also, do you think if I get a 16GB version of N7, do you think I will eventually regret due to lack of storage?
I think if you would already have an old nexus 7, then it is not worth buying the new model.
But you do not have it, so I would say: buy the new model!!!
The hardware of the old Nexus 7 wasnt great, Tegra 3 is okay, not more. $ 70 are not much for the newer one! The Snapdragon S4 Pro ist quite well! And the FHD Display wont allow you to see any pixels
I own a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 and I still think that I dont need a new tablet. But today I would not buy anymore, because the newer Tablets are not that expensive to be against them
I sold my old N7 and got the new N7...totally worth the upgrade. The screen is worlds better and the processor makes the device feel snappy...the old one felt somewhat laggy
The new LG G Pro 2 sports a 5.9-inch Full HD (1080 x 1920) IPS display, weighs 172 grams, and measures 157.9 × 81.9 × 8.3 mm - and yet the Korean company calls it a smartphone, not a phablet. It runs Android 4.4 KitKat, coming with an “evolved” KnockOn feature called Knock Code. For the moment, the rough automatic translation of the press release announcing the handset doesn’t allow us to fully understand how the new feature works.
The G Pro 2 is LG’s first smartphone to offer a high-power 1W speaker, which should make it a multimedia powerhouse. The handset has a 2.1MP front-facing camera, and a 13MP rear camera with LED flash and OIS plus (an improved version of the Optical Image Stabilization which debuted on the LG G2 last year). The rear camera can record 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) video. Other features: LTE-A connectivity, NFC, quad-core 2.26GHz Snapdragon 800 processor, 3GB of RAM, 32GB of internal memory, MicroSD card support, and a 3,200 battery (apparently removable).
http://www.phonearena.com/news/5.9-inch-LG-G-Pro-2-officially-unveiled-runs-Android-4.4-KitKat_id52564
How many of you impressed about G pro 2 ???
Back then, when the Optimus G was annouced, I was pretty impressed by the specs. Now though, I realise the lack in many aspects makes it a "second runner" in many point. The lack of update, even for bug correction and the lack of quality in certain apsects, like the camera software or audio rendering make it so that I won't be looking at "specs" only anymore.
Anyway, unless I can sell my OG a decent price to get a N5, I think I'll wait to see what will Lenovo do with Motorola.
t1mman said:
Back then, when the Optimus G was annouced, I was pretty impressed by the specs. Now though, I realise the lack in many aspects makes it a "second runner" in many point. The lack of update, even for bug correction and the lack of quality in certain apsects, like the camera software or audio rendering make it so that I won't be looking at "specs" only anymore.
Anyway, unless I can sell my OG a decent price to get a N5, I think I'll wait to see what will Lenovo do with Motorola.
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This is the phone for me, I got this and never been satisfied, Fine camera shooting, superior smooth transitions and big storage! Thank you
Come wif Corning Gorilla Glass 3 on display screen however the back lens camera dint use the same material as the display screen which is not resistance to screctch.
Speak about protection motorola give an nano coating finish to moto g to the component, inside and outer screen glass to make moto g watersplash resistance but don't jump into pool wif ur phone.
Moto G is one of the first handsets to be updated to Google's latest software - Android 4.4.2 KitKat.
Software update on this phone was the Beauty and the Beast is their camera but still u can enjoy an good outdoor picture but never the indoor.
Feel free to share wht u know bout motor g ??
Moto G is the last phone from Motorola & Google
and we are the lucky ones
And we will Never be seeing another awesomely priced awesomely specced phone from Moto
When with Moto g they had all this patents( so they don't have to license stuff) and lotsa money for r &d ( they lost a billion dollars even after selling so many phones)
So savour the Moto g ..the last affordable smartphone which get things right
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- It's fast! My previous phone was a Samsung galaxy ace duos CDMA so understandably this feels very quick in comparison. But yeah still even then its really faster than most phones available in this process segment.
- The phone doesn't come with a lot of bloatware like so many other phones on the market which again is a massive bonus.
- Beautiful HD screen (4.5 inches with a resolution of 720 x 1280, resulting in a pixel density of 326 pixels per inch)
- Android 4.3 with an upgrade to 4.4.2 already!
- Long lasting battery life
- Easy to customise (Regarding both the exterior of the phone with the different coloured shells and the interior with the
software available).
- Low price for the specs available (1gb of ram with a Snapdragon 400 quad-core processor clocked at 1.2 GHz).
- Well built. It doesn't feel cheap like those plastic body Samsung phones.
- Slow motion video feature is really nice.
-Its loud!
- Doesn't lag a bit. Even with high end games like Asphalt 8 the phone runs butter smooth .
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So I am surprised no has caught this yet. But the 2015 with far lesser hardware than that of the idol 3 is getting very high praises. The one main thing that is really standing out to me is the performance reviews. The snapdragon 400 with 1gb of ram and just how smooth this phone runs. I would think this would be a major jab at Alcatel on how unoptimized their software on the idol 3 is. I think this is also a testament that our phone is very capable of a butter smooth experience without any lag or stutters what's so ever if this can be done on the moto g.
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So I am surprised no has caught this yet. But the 2015 with far lesser hardware than that of the idol 3 is getting very high praises. The one main thing that is really standing out to me is the performance reviews. The snapdragon 400 with 1gb of ram and just how smooth this phone runs. I would think this would be a major jab at Alcatel on how unoptimized their software on the idol 3 is. I think this is also a testament that our phone is very capable of a butter smooth experience without any lag or stutters what's so ever if this can be done on the moto g.
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So for $50 less I give up 1/2 the megapixels on the front and rear camera's...1/2 the internal storage, 1/3rd the screen resolution (assuming going from 1080p to 720p is only 1/3rd) drop Lollipop back down to Kitkat (based on http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorol...-u-s-version-black/9055007.p?id=1219387046337) and I'm sure there's more....no thanks...the time of the idol 3 is NOW. It's been rooted..has TWRP....has xposed framework working and source has just been released. Or were you trying to compare the idol 3 4.7? You didn't specify.
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So for $50 less I give up 1/2 the megapixels on the front and rear camera's...1/2 the internal storage, 1/3rd the screen resolution (assuming going from 1080p to 720p is only 1/3rd) drop Lollipop back down to Kitkat (based on http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorol...-u-s-version-black/9055007.p?id=1219387046337) and I'm sure there's more....no thanks...the time of the idol 3 is NOW. It's been rooted..has TWRP....has xposed framework working and source has just been released. Or were you trying to compare the idol 3 4.7? You didn't specify.
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Nobody is talking about the second gen. This is the 3rd gen
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-2015-1300373/review
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cas8180 said:
Nobody is talking about the second gen. This is the 3rd gen
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-2015-1300373/review
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Ok..here's a good side by side from phonedog...with the exception of battery life the idol 3 seemed to be the winner but maybe you'll lean the other way. I know I'm not giving up my dual speakers, 1080p screen and reversible feature which works really well in the car to charge it while sitting in a poor man's dock (the cup holder). Sounds like you'd have to bump up to the 2gb/16gb model for the closest match and that's gonna be $220 vs $200 (currently the idol is priced at $250 but it was when I purchased it as well and they put it on sale for 1 day in July so I was able to submit a price protection claim with my credit card bringing it down to $200...I'm sure similar specials will pop up since the preorder price was also $199)
http://www.phonedog.com/videos/moto-g-3rd-gen-vs-onetouch-idol-3-best-budget-smartphones
cas8180 said:
Nobody is talking about the second gen. This is the 3rd gen
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-2015-1300373/review
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I'm pretty interested in the Canadian Moto X Play XT1563
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS), 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 28)
famewolf said:
Ok..here's a good side by side from phonedog...with the exception of battery life the idol 3 seemed to be the winner but maybe you'll lean the other way. I know I'm not giving up my dual speakers, 1080p screen and reversible feature which works really well in the car to charge it while sitting in a poor man's dock (the cup holder). Sounds like you'd have to bump up to the 2gb/16gb model for the closest match and that's gonna be $220 vs $200 (currently the idol is priced at $250 but it was when I purchased it as well and they put it on sale for 1 day in July so I was able to submit a price protection claim with my credit card bringing it down to $200...I'm sure similar specials will pop up since the preorder price was also $199)
http://www.phonedog.com/videos/moto-g-3rd-gen-vs-onetouch-idol-3-best-budget-smartphones
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It's very confusing when they pull all this 2nd gen, 3rd gen or Nexus 5 2015 vs the old Nexus 5 stuff because you are never sure which one someone is talking about..I didn't even know thr 3rd gen moto g was out.
famewolf said:
It's very confusing when they pull all this 2nd gen, 3rd gen or Nexus 5 2015 vs the old Nexus 5 stuff because you are never sure which one someone is talking about..I didn't even know thr 3rd gen moto g was out.
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Ya. I should have articulated my point better. And my point was this. The 3rd gen moto (with far inferior) hardware than the idol is getting praises left and right and many are voting it asbthe best budget phone for the money. And one of the main points they bring up is just how fluid and snappy the new moto g is with less ram and smaller processor than that of the idol 3. So with that logic the idol 3 should be outperforming the moto g with responsiveness and snappyness and zero lag. But its not. I was hoping that Alcatel might take note of the new kid in the block. Get concerned about potential loss sales to the moto g and optimize the idol 3 to be a great performer with zero lag the way it should be.
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cas8180 said:
Ya. I should have articulated my point better. And my point was this. The 3rd gen moto (with far inferior) hardware than the idol is getting praises left and right and many are voting it asbthe best budget phone for the money. And one of the main points they bring up is just how fluid and snappy the new moto g is with less ram and smaller processor than that of the idol 3. So with that logic the idol 3 should be outperforming the moto g with responsiveness and snappyness and zero lag. But its not. I was hoping that Alcatel might take note of the new kid in the block. Get concerned about potential loss sales to the moto g and optimize the idol 3 to be a great performer with zero lag the way it should be.
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Comparing apples to apples. The Idol 3 4.7 is better than the Moto G 2015. They both have snapdragon 410 but the G just having a higher clock speed at 1.4 vs 1.2. I returned my Moto G when I got the Idol 3 4.7. It's just a better phone for me. As far as lag, I had the Idol 5.5 when it first came out before some of the updates and I remember there was some lag especially when clearing all recent apps. The Idol 3 4.7 does not have that lag that I experienced with the bigger Idol. The 410 is a fantastic processor especially for pushing out only 720p. More YouTube reviewers should do a comparison between the Idol 4.7 and the Moto G and not the Idol 5.5. Closer in specs and price point.
guapinoy said:
Comparing apples to apples. The Idol 3 4.7 is better than the Moto G 2015. They both have snapdragon 410 but the G just having a higher clock speed at 1.4 vs 1.2. I returned my Moto G when I got the Idol 3 4.7. It's just a better phone for me. As far as lag, I had the Idol 5.5 when it first came out before some of the updates and I remember there was some lag especially when clearing all recent apps. The Idol 3 4.7 does not have that lag that I experienced with the bigger Idol. The 410 is a fantastic processor especially for pushing out only 720p. More YouTube reviewers should do a comparison between the Idol 4.7 and the Moto G and not the Idol 5.5. Closer in specs and price point.
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You pretty much validated my point though on how the beefier heavier specd idol 3 5.5 should run flawless and as smooth as butter when lesser hardware clearly can.
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cas8180 said:
Ya. I should have articulated my point better. And my point was this. The 3rd gen moto (with far inferior) hardware than the idol is getting praises left and right and many are voting it asbthe best budget phone for the money. And one of the main points they bring up is just how fluid and snappy the new moto g is with less ram and smaller processor than that of the idol 3. So with that logic the idol 3 should be outperforming the moto g with responsiveness and snappyness and zero lag. But its not. I was hoping that Alcatel might take note of the new kid in the block. Get concerned about potential loss sales to the moto g and optimize the idol 3 to be a great performer with zero lag the way it should be.
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Well one good point is the 5.0.x series of lollipop is KNOWN to be laggy...that was one of the main improvements to 5.1...with the source released we can perhaps look at Cyanogenmod in our future and eliminate alot of the lag we are dealing with now along with some optimized kernels. I think after some custom rom's come out you'll end up much happier with the idol 3 overall.
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Well one good point is the 5.0.x series of lollipop is KNOWN to be laggy...that was one of the main improvements to 5.1...with the source released we can perhaps look at Cyanogenmod in our future and eliminate alot of the lag we are dealing with now along with some optimized kernels. I think after some custom rom's come out you'll end up much happier with the idol 3 overall.
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Yup the 5.0 builds are very buggy and laggy but its interesting that the 4.7 inch idol with lower processor still runs smoother. I don't think we as consumers should have to root and go through all of those hoops just to have a well performing device based on the hardware running it. And from owning the oneplus one and running cm as my daily driver for quite sometime I would personally never run it again. Not only do I not support Steve and his initiatives and his company but often times cm introudced more bug than it solved issues. So that's a no go for me. I am simply asking Alcatel to optimize their flagship device the way it should be. But who knows maybe it will happen when we get the 5.1.1 update.
Right now I swap between my zenfone 2, idol 3 and oneplus one. The only thing keeping me from using my idol 3 as my daily.driver is the lag. And it's very noticeable when jumping between phones.
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I had decided to wait for the moto G 3rd gen before upgrading from the 2nd gen however...
Amazon day sale...
That was literally an insane price. Too good to pass off and I went for the upgrade.
Comparing it to the 3rd gen.. I'm not at all regretting getting the Alcatel. Gorilla Glass alternative is good, battery life is significantly better than the moto G, display resolution is a nice plus.
Water proofing just isn't a feature that makes or breaks my decision.
cas8180 said:
Yup the 5.0 builds are very buggy and laggy but its interesting that the 4.7 inch idol with lower processor still runs smoother. I don't think we as consumers should have to root and go through all of those hoops just to have a well performing device based on the hardware running it. And from owning the oneplus one and running cm as my daily driver for quite sometime I would personally never run it again. Not only do I not support Steve and his initiatives and his company but often times cm introudced more bug than it solved issues. So that's a no go for me. I am simply asking Alcatel to optimize their flagship device the way it should be. But who knows maybe it will happen when we get the 5.1.1 update.
Right now I swap between my zenfone 2, idol 3 and oneplus one. The only thing keeping me from using my idol 3 as my daily.driver is the lag. And it's very noticeable when jumping between phones.
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I agree with the point about consumers shouldn't need to depend on rooting, custom kernels and ROMS. Even if I indulge in all of the above. If that's what it takes to make a phone usable, then this phone and manufacturer will fade back into oblivion. And I also haven't found custom ROMs to be a panacea. For all the talk about being "buttery smooth," "rock solid" and such, it isn't always that way. I've had some prominent ROMs that plainly gave me more problems than stock Android. But I like to experiment and I like the customization options that the ROMs provide. And I really like being rid of all the Google bloat.
I waited awhile with my Nexus 4 before upgrading to Lollipop because I wanted to keep running Xposed and it wasn't available on Lollipop for awhile. But after I did, I almost reverted because of the poor performance with 5.0x. So it's disappointing to have to be running 5.02 on the Idol 3 on the eve of the release of Android M.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for many ROMs, kernels and such on this phone. Is there a big enough community who's going to use them that people will bother to build them? I hope the answer is yes, but I'm not so sure.
All that said, I like this phone more than I thought I would. I'm having occasional laggy and erratic performance, but most of the time, it's fine, a bit better than I might have expected. And I love the light weight and the display. The current crop of flagships tend to be 30 grams heavier, a very noticeable difference. And the colors look better to me on this phone than they do on some of the pricier ones with whites that aren't white or over-saturation. Some of that's adjustable with custom kernels, but not all of it. The Nexus 6 I use sometimes, for all its many strengths, is guilty of both color problems and being uncomfortably heavy by comparison.
Ya I would have to agree with you an all of the points you highlighted. This is a fantastic device on so many levels. Just wish the damn thing didn't lag. The biggest lag issue I had was with typing. But installing the stick Google keyboard from the play store seems to have really improved the typing experience over the stock aosp keyboard that comes with the phone.
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When you guys get a sec check the performance review of the mi4 running the exact same chipset. Notice how it scores significantly hire in benchmarks then our phone and the ui does not lag or stutter what's so ever.
https://youtu.be/cCXiQQI7lpQ
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Thought you might be interested to know the Moto G's camera has been ported over to the Idol 3 and runs just fine....I posted a thread in the Idol3 apps and games section with some details. The camera is very VERY nice.
A lot of these people are comparing the lowest tier Moto G to whatever else that is available. On Alcatel's side, that would mean that you would compare the 4.7 inch model to the Moto G - and the only thing on the specs side on the Alcatel model is NFC - otherwise they are essentially the same phone - and the Moto G is waterproof - runs a later version of Android - and is from Motorola . So it does make for a compelling choice. When you compare the $220 model to the $250 Alcatel model, then the spec differences are wider. But for $180 , the Moto G is not a bad phone. If I did not have the option to buy the 5.5 inch for $200 , and the Moto G 2015 would have been around, I do not think I would have spent $180 to go with the Alcatel.
cas8180 said:
When you guys get a sec check the performance review of the mi4 running the exact same chipset. Notice how it scores significantly hire in benchmarks then our phone and the ui does not lag or stutter what's so ever.
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The Mi4i runs the same chipset and Geekyranjit says it is a laggy POS after update, before update it was overheating POS. There is something fundamentally wrong with the 615 chipset same as the 810. it just wasn't a good year to buy Qualcomm.
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The Mi4i runs the same chipset and Geekyranjit says it is a laggy POS after update, before update it was overheating POS. There is something fundamentally wrong with the 615 chipset same as the 810. it just wasn't a good year to buy Qualcomm.
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Must not be as all the new zenfone 2 models are running this same chipset.
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Must not be as all the new zenfone 2 models are running this same chipset.
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Actually... none of the released Zen2 come with SD615.