Hey there everyone, so i have been using that A13 for a while now, the battery used to last exactly 3 days when i only used the phone to talk, and 2 days with more usage, and now all of a sudden, it's now lasting 1 day without even using the phone, i haven't installed any new app, and i haven't changed any settings, i haven't even updated existing apps, the only thing i did that was out of the ordinary was keeping the phone on for 30 days straight without shutting down or restarting, i usually restart, but i forgot to do so this time.
I was forced to restart in the 30th day because when i plugged the phone into my computer, it wasn't detected, and there was no popup on the phone, after restarting, i noticed that the battery was draining a lot faster than before, and the phone actually consumes more power while idle now, i checked the Ampere app, and it's draining about 220 mA now instead of the usual 150 mA, i think the difference becomes even bigger when the phone is idle.
I tried safe mode to eliminate the possibility of apps causing trouble, but the result haven't changed, i also noticed that the charging amperage via cable plugged into the computer is now about a 1100 mA instead of the usual 200 mA, there's nothing wrong with the cable or the USB port because i've already tried another phone, any ideas ? i'd rather keep hard resetting or flashing as a last resort.
Update : i did a factory reset, it didn't work, i did a firmware flash AND a factory reset after that, and it still didn't work.
Clear system cache.
Remove any social media trash apps...
Clean logs with Device Care.
Clean with SD Maid.
Replace battery before it fails completely and potentially damages the device
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Clear system cache.
Remove any social media trash apps...
Clean logs with Device Care.
Clean with SD Maid.
Replace battery before it fails completely and potentially damages the device
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Thanks for the reply, i actually removed all removable apps and cleared caches on the remaining apps on the device, the problem persists, i think your first suggestion implies a hard reset, i will do that if i have no other option, i'll clean logs now with device care, and try cleaning using SD Maid.
The phone is 3 months old at this point, do you think the battery might actually be failing here ? also, what are the odds that it's not calibrated and thus reporting wrong values ?
Sisine said:
Thanks for the reply, i actually removed all removable apps and cleared caches on the remaining apps on the device, the problem persists, i think your first suggestion implies a hard reset, i will do that if i have no other option, i'll clean logs now with device care, and try cleaning using SD Maid.
The phone is 3 months old at this point, do you think the battery might actually be failing here ? also, what are the odds that it's not calibrated and thus reporting wrong values ?
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No. Clear the system cache, the option is found on the boot menu. Factory reset if you have done a major firmware upgrade. Do Not use SmartSwitch if you do. If you did use SmartSwitch to do your current load that may be the issue; hand load for clean load.
You can also try a hard reboot (simulates pulling battery).
It's possible a 3rd party app altered hidden user settings. This would be hard to correct. Unistalling the app may not fix it, factory reset.
Load only trusted, vetted apps to avoid this.
Malware is another possibility.
Battery's can fail at any time. Any swelling is a failure. Erratic fast charging is also be a symptom. A failure at 3 months is improbable.
Is adaptive battery turned on? Try turning it off.
Only fast charging should be enabled from that settings page. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance. All cloud apps including Google backup Transport can cause excessive battery drain.
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You're welcome.
No. Clear the system cache, the option is found on the boot menu. Factory reset if you have done a major firmware upgrade. Do Not use SmartSwitch if you do. If you did use SmartSwitch to do your current load that may be the issue; hand load for clean load.
You can also try a hard reboot (simulates pulling battery).
It's possible a 3rd party app altered hidden user settings. This would be hard to correct. Unistalling the app may not fix it, factory reset.
Load only trusted, vetted apps to avoid this.
Malware is another possibility.
Battery's can fail at any time. Any swelling is a failure. Erratic fast charging is also be a symptom. A failure at 3 months is improbable.
Is adaptive battery turned on? Try turning it off.
Only fast charging should be enabled from that settings page. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance. All cloud apps including Google backup Transport can cause excessive battery drain.
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Okay, i cleared the system cache, apparently it changed nothing, i have never flash any firmware since i got the device, i've only done an update through Samsung, i've also never installed SmartSwitch.
I did a hard reboot, and it also did nothing, i've only ever installed apps through google play store, i have yet to install an apk on this phone..
Any ideas to check if there's any malware ? keep in mind that CPU usage is fairly low while the screen is on, i could tell using GPUWatch.
Adaptive battery was indeed turned on, but it was on from the first day i started using that phone, i turned it off now, i'll see if it makes a difference, i've only used fast charging once, but i disabled it after seeing how far battery temperature went.
Sisine said:
Okay, i cleared the system cache, apparently it changed nothing, i have never flash any firmware since i got the device, i've only done an update through Samsung, i've also never installed SmartSwitch.
I did a hard reboot, and it also did nothing, i've only ever installed apps through google play store, i have yet to install an apk on this phone..
Any ideas to check if there's any malware ? keep in mind that CPU usage is fairly low while the screen is on, i could tell using GPUWatch.
Adaptive battery was indeed turned on, but it was on from the first day i started using that phone, i turned it off now, i'll see if it makes a difference, i've only used fast charging once, but i disabled it after seeing how far battery temperature went.
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Track down the battery hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis. Package block if needed with adb edit or a package disabler.
Malware is a subjective call, scan with Malwarebytes. If you didn't do anything stupid there's likely no malware. If in doubt, nuke.
Obviously something changed... find it. Otherwise it's likely to reoccur even with a factory reset.
Use a fan and/or a damp microfiber cloth to cool the phone when charging. Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling (40-72%). Small midrange charging generates less heat and battery stress.
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Track down the battery hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis. Package block if needed with adb edit or a package disabler.
Malware is a subjective call, scan with Malwarebytes. If you didn't do anything stupid there's likely no malware. If in doubt, nuke.
Obviously something changed... find it. Otherwise it's likely to reoccur even with a factory reset.
Use a fan and/or a damp microfiber cloth to cool the phone when charging. Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling (40-72%). Small midrange charging generates less heat and battery stress.
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The phone isn't overheating while charging, the only reason i'm using the computer's USB port to charge isntead of the adapter is to prevent that kind of thing, especially in summer, i've never let the battery go below 30, or above 85, and by the way, there's an option called Protect Battery, and this limits the charge to 85, i enabled it when i bought the phone.
I'm starting to think that the battery isn't calibrated, because this time it took the phone 3 hours to drop from 80 to 79 while mobile data was enabled, and after that, it started dropping like crazy, meaning it's not consistent.
I also noticed that while having the phone plugged in to the laptop, the current calculated by the Ampere app is sometimes 1100 mA and sometimes 30-40 mA, the former doesn't make sense because the USB port is a 2.0 one, and it doesn't provide more than 500 mA.
I'll try to re-calibrate the battery, and if that doesn't work, i'll just flash the firmware anew, and hard reset after that, i'll let you know if there's any update, thanks a lot for the help.
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Track down the battery hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis. Package block if needed with adb edit or a package disabler.
Malware is a subjective call, scan with Malwarebytes. If you didn't do anything stupid there's likely no malware. If in doubt, nuke.
Obviously something changed... find it. Otherwise it's likely to reoccur even with a factory reset.
Use a fan and/or a damp microfiber cloth to cool the phone when charging. Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling (40-72%). Small midrange charging generates less heat and battery stress.
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Here's an update, i did a factory reset, and even flashed AND did a factory reset afterwards, the problem persists
I've never seen anything like that before.
Sisine said:
Here's an update, i did a factory reset, and even flashed AND did a factory reset afterwards, the problem persists
I've never seen anything like that before.
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Ouch.
Battery calibration doesn't effect SOT. If not running warmer than it use to it may be the battery or other hardware failure. If under warranty, send it in.
The one thing that has broke my Samsung's multiple times are upgrades and updates...
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Ouch.
Battery calibration doesn't effect SOT. If not running warmer than it use to it may be the battery or other hardware failure. If under warranty, send it in.
The one thing that has broke my Samsung's multiple times are upgrades and updates...
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You're right about the update thing, now that i think about it, this started happening about 2 weeks after a security update, i don't know if downgrading would solve the problem, and i'm not even sure that it's possible because i tried downgrading on an M30s via a firmware flash and it didn't work.
Although it's a little tricky here in my country, i think warranty is my only option, anyway, thanks a lot for the help.
Sisine said:
You're right about the update thing, now that i think about it, this started happening about 2 weeks after a security update, i don't know if downgrading would solve the problem, and i'm not even sure that it's possible because i tried downgrading on an M30s via a firmware flash and it didn't work.
Although it's a little tricky here in my country, i think warranty is my only option, anyway, thanks a lot for the help.
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With Samsung's over the years I learned this rule, the hard way: Rule #1 - If an OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!
A rollback to the last known good version should fix it if that's the problem... then just don't allow it to update, block updates/upgrades. I'm a pragmatist, I use what works!
This N10+ is still happily running on Pie, last update over 2.5 years. Current load in over 2 years old, still fast and very stable with minimal maintenance. That's what a stock Android is capable of. Security is not an issue. Malware has given me zero trouble, app updates though have cost me quit a bit of time to fix. Any OS version from Pie up is relatively secure unless you do stupid things. You can't save dumb bunnies, but Google tries to make you think it can. It can't.
Screw the Samsung, Google and "trusted" reviewers hype. You'll find more trustworthy information on Samsung member forums and even Reddit. Sad but true. Ever notice how all the new Samsung flagships and Google Android OS's get glowing reviews? If pigs could fly...
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With Samsung's over the years I learned this rule, the hard way: Rule #1 - If an OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be!
A rollback to the last known good version should fix it if that's the problem... then just don't allow it to update, block updates/upgrades. I'm a pragmatist, I use what works!
This N10+ is still happily running on Pie, last update over 2.5 years. Current load in over 2 years old, still fast and very stable with minimal maintenance. That's what a stock Android is capable of. Security is not an issue. Malware has given me zero trouble, app updates though have cost me quit a bit of time to fix. Any OS version from Pie up is relatively secure unless you do stupid things. You can't save dumb bunnies, but Google tries to make you think it can. It can't.
Screw the Samsung, Google and "trusted" reviewers hype. You'll find more trustworthy information on Samsung member forums and even Reddit. Sad but true. Ever notice how all the new Samsung flagships and Google Android OS's get glowing reviews? If pigs could fly...
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That A13 i have (it's not the 5G version) actually came pre-loaded with android 12, the update i did was not one to a new android version, it was just a security patch, i'll try to downgrade to the first stock firmware if it allows me to.
I'm starting to lose my trust in Samsung, you're right, they do indeed screw things up with their updates, i experienced that first hand as well, i always tell myself that they might learn but i always end up wrong.
They hype up the product only for the consumer to find out that they were telling nothing but lies, i think i'll never buy a Samsung phone again if i can't fix the issue with that one.
Sisine said:
That A13 i have (it's not the 5G version) actually came pre-loaded with android 12, the update i did was not one to a new android version, it was just a security patch, i'll try to downgrade to the first stock firmware if it allows me to.
I'm starting to lose my trust in Samsung, you're right, they do indeed screw things up with their updates, i experienced that first hand as well, i always tell myself that they might learn but i always end up wrong.
They hype up the product only for the consumer to find out that they were telling nothing but lies, i think i'll never buy a Samsung phone again if i can't fix the issue with that one.
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You will be able to reflash pre update as long as you can find that firmware. 12 had a big security flaw in it, you probably want that patched. Hopefully it was before your security update... you might want to look into that.
As far as Samsung goes I can only speak for it's flagships as I don't follow it's other releases closely. Every flagship released since the Note 10+ has been a disappointment in my opinion.
It's no accident that I'm still running 2 N10+'s, Samsung didn't give me a better option nor did Google Android; scope storage sucks. The humpback N20U was the last flagship with expandable but it had issues and the spen on the wrong side. All the variant refresh rate displays suffer from poor SOTs, reduced color/gamma accuracy and reliability issues.
With a much smaller battery the N10+ gets noticeably better SOT. It just keeps running, this one has over 8k hours on it; it looks (including the display), feels and runs like its new. It's a joy to use. The newer flagships won't be capable of this. I've lost confidence in both Google and Samsung. Not sure Samsung will ever get out of the hole they dug themselves into. They're are now experts at dropping balls... bravo.
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You will be able to reflash pre update as long as you can find that firmware. 12 had a big security flaw in it, you probably want that patched. Hopefully it was before your security update... you might want to look into that.
As far as Samsung goes I can only speak for it's flagships as I don't follow it's other releases closely. Every flagship released since the Note 10+ has been a disappointment in my opinion.
It's no accident that I'm still running 2 N10+'s, Samsung didn't give me a better option nor did Google Android; scope storage sucks. The humpback N20U was the last flagship with expandable but it had issues and the spen on the wrong side. All the variant refresh rate displays suffer from poor SOTs, reduced color/gamma accuracy and reliability issues.
With a much smaller battery the N10+ gets noticeably better SOT. It just keeps running, this one has over 8k hours on it; it looks (including the display), feels and runs like its new. It's a joy to use. The newer flagships won't be capable of this. I've lost confidence in both Google and Samsung. Not sure Samsung will ever get out of the hole they dug themselves into. They're are now experts at dropping balls... bravo.
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Confirmed, it's just like when i tried it with a M30s, once you upgrade the BIT/SW REV, you won't be able to downgrade.
I think i'll try to RMA, that is of course if i get lucky, because they're not even responding to my emails, that really sucks, just like you, i've officially lost my trust in both google and samsung.
Honetly, i'm not really that surprised, especially after that video from mrwhosetheboss showing that every single samsung phone he's ever owned had a swelling battery.
Sisine said:
Confirmed, it's just like when i tried it with a M30s, once you upgrade the BIT/SW REV, you won't be able to downgrade.
I think i'll try to RMA, that is of course if i get lucky, because they're not even responding to my emails, that really sucks, just like you, i've officially lost my trust in both google and samsung.
Honetly, i'm not really that surprised, especially after that video from mrwhosetheboss showing that every single samsung phone he's ever owned had a swelling battery.
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Meh call them and share the wuv...
Li's have reached the end of their usable service life when they reach 80% of their original capacity. They should then be replaced to avoid a failure. So that was more the owner's fault than Samsung. This N10+ had a battery failure but again it was very degraded even though it wasn't even 1.5 yo. Mostly from heavy usage, and a couple high temperature exposures, my bad. Fortunately the bloated battery caused no damage. Timely maintenance will help to prevent most failures.
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Meh call them and share the wuv...
Li's have reached the end of their usable service life when they reach 80% of their original capacity. They should then be replaced to avoid a failure. So that was more the owner's fault than Samsung. This N10+ had a battery failure but again it was very degraded even though it wasn't even 1.5 yo. Mostly from heavy usage, and a couple high temperature exposures, my bad. Fortunately the bloated battery caused no damage. Timely maintenance will help to prevent most failures.
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That's the thing with my phone, i bought it brand new, and i am the first owner, i have been taking very good care of it, and i always keep an eye on both CPU usage and battery temperature, i've never let the latter go beyond 36 C, sometimes i was charging the phone using my laptop's USB port just to prevent high temperatures caused by fast charging, and i've never let the battery drop below 30 or go beyond 85, i did my very best to take care of it.
With regards to that video posted by mrwhosetheboss, it was very clear that it's samsung's fault, he has a large collection of phones, both new and old ones, and samsung phones in his collection were the only ones that had a swelling battery, he even reached out to other well knows youtubers, and they confirmed that a lot of their samsung phones did indeed have that problem, they didn't experience that with other brands.
I mean i'm not surprised after that incident with that explosive Note 7 battery ! here's the video if you wanna take a look :
Sisine said:
That's the thing with my phone, i bought it brand new, and i am the first owner, i have been taking very good care of it, and i always keep an eye on both CPU usage and battery temperature, i've never let the latter go beyond 36 C, sometimes i was charging the phone using my laptop's USB port just to prevent high temperatures caused by fast charging, and i've never let the battery drop below 30 or go beyond 85, i did my very best to take care of it.
With regards to that video posted by mrwhosetheboss, it was very clear that it's samsung's fault, he has a large collection of phones, both new and old ones, and samsung phones in his collection were the only ones that had a swelling battery, he even reached out to other well knows youtubers, and they confirmed that a lot of their samsung phones did indeed have that problem, they didn't experience that with other brands.
I mean i'm not surprised after that incident with that explosive Note 7 battery ! here's the video if you wanna take a look :
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After the N7 nightmare Samsung probably has more design, manufacturing and operational protocols in place than most companies. Their batteries come for Vietnam andsome from India (I believe). Much better quality than the Chinese junk.
I've had good results with all my Samsung batteries including multiple pairs of Buds, the exception was that one failure. It had a rough ride as I live in the desert. A few low temperature charges may have sealed its fate. I always fast charge but generally use a 40-80% cycle with a temperature limit of 72F to a max of 102F. I consider Li's an expendable asset, which they are. So with the high hours I have on this heavy used N10+, 2 batteries so far isn't bad. My other 2 Samsung a S4+ and a flip top still work. They had their batteries replaced years ago due lose of capacity not failure.
You never know but more than likely the guy with all the busted batteries unwittingly did something stupid, again and again or had ulterior motives. I don't buy that battery doom story. If the Li's aren't ever replaced they are likely to fail eventually. They start to degrade the day they're assembled.
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After the N7 nightmare Samsung probably has more design, manufacturing and operational protocols in place than most companies. Their batteries come for Vietnam andsome from India (I believe). Much better quality than the Chinese junk.
I've had good results with all my Samsung batteries including multiple pairs of Buds, the exception was that one failure. It had a rough ride as I live in the desert. A few low temperature charges may have sealed its fate. I always fast charge but generally use a 40-80% cycle with a temperature limit of 72F to a max of 102F. I consider Li's an expendable asset, which they are. So with the high hours I have on this heavy used N10+, 2 batteries so far isn't bad. My other 2 Samsung a S4+ and a flip top still work. They had their batteries replaced years ago due lose of capacity not failure.
You never know but more than likely the guy with all the busted batteries unwittingly did something stupid, again and again or had ulterior motives. I don't buy that battery doom story. If the Li's aren't ever replaced they are likely to fail eventually. They start to degrade the day they're assembled.
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Well, i do have terrible luck after all, maybe the battery inside my phone is the exception rather than the rule, it's probably just one of the few defective units out there i really can't find any explanation to this, i'm quite used to solving problems, but i'm still scratching my head because of that one issue, i think i'll try toRMA, and if that doesn't work, i'll get a battery replacement.
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What might be the possible causes to the T-Mobile G2x randomly shutting off by itself?
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Mine crashes every night and needs booted in the morning.
It's the best phone ever and the worst phone ever.
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What might be the possible causes to the T-Mobile G2x randomly shutting off by itself?
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I think it's caused by loading giant signatures at the bottom of forum posts.
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I think it's caused by loading giant signatures at the bottom of forum posts.
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Donate to the op for your troubles.lol
Mine does it randomly. I had it since April 20, and it has shutdown 3 or 4 times. Still don't know the cause of it.
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Funny no one is stating their OS they are running?
The only time my phone randomly SHUT DOWN was running the leaked Gingerbread rom from LG. Stock was fine as were CM7.
Of all the roms I've tried, I've never had reboot problems or finding the phone off outside of the leaked GB.
This happened to me all the time with the stock FroYo ROM. I think it is caused when the phone runs out of free RAM (due to playing a game or running lots of widgets) I flashed CM7 with the ext4 Trinity maxmem firmware and it fixed all of these types of problems. Also, the stock battery seems to have major issues because when I replaced the battery with a third party one it fixed lots of problems with battery life and also the HDMI instantly drain the battery.
I still believe it could be a combo of questionable batteries and chargers. Purchased two the first week out. Mine started the reboot dance the first night. My wifes phone has had zero issues as has my replacement.
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Hello,
So we’ve been working on this issue for quite a while. And have come up with a semi-practical solution. This might interest some of you, who have this issue.
Issue:
Both I and my friend opted out to purchase the new and wonderful LG g2x phone. After receiving the phones we came against a very similar issue. The cellphone unit would shutdown/turnoff during the charge [car or wall]. The shutdown would occur around 95% of battery charge. In addition the phone would get hot. After the shutdown to start the phone would require pulling the battery out of the unit and reconnecting it again, otherwise known as: Perform a battery pull.
Trials:
So after doing some research and funding out that LG is literally doing nothing about this issue, [great testament to their corporate integrity] we decided to take on this issue. At first we also believed that it is, indeed, the battery that gets heated and goes offline after reaching some temperature. After recognizing the poor quality of the battery, I’ve decided to purchase a better quality one online. No surprise really the phone would still lockup at 95% charge.
At this point I took it upon myself to resolve this issue with what resources I have available. I am an MIT student and have a high tech engineering lab available at my disposal, in addition to some free time with a winter break and all. Anyways, I pulled the phone apart and this is what I’ve discovered…
Discovery:
So inside the phone right next to the 4 connecting diodes that connect the battery to the cellphone unit are 2 semis [semiconductor hubs] that are responsible for providing battery charge information to the cellphones cpu [central processing unit] in addition theres also a line running to those semis that probably carries some sort of information [current] that the semis are also responsible for.
The first approach that we took was through the hardware, and killed that additional line and allowed the semis to only be responsible for the battery charge. The results were somewhat positive. Although the phone would freeze and glitch like crazy it would not shutdown with a subsequent necessity of pulling the battery.
We also noticed that it was the two semis that would get hot actually and lockup shutting the phone up and requiring a battery pull. The reason you need to pull the battery is because the iodes would overheat and completely glitch out, also even though the phone was now powered off there still was a current running between the battery and the phone. Only the battery pull would allow the diodes to drop the charge and reset to the position for the phone to be functional again and able to power up.
Solution:
So the idea was to find a software solution, which would free up this one line running into semis and allow them only to carry the responsibility for reporting the battery charge to the cpu. Believe it or not the first thing that came to my mind was the solution.
The app called Advance Task Killer (ATK) [available free on the market] proved to be useful. I do understand that this program is not very effective and only kills running progs in the foreground. However, that single line is also not very important to information transfer and becomes useless after you clear the cellphone’s foreground information transfer.
Basically when you run atk the line becomes inactive and you can charge the phone without any lockups. I’ve been doing that for about 10 days now. Discharging the battery to about 17% and charging it all the way up again and the phone has not yet turned off once and required a battery pull, nor has it been getting hot.
The idea is to clear the line prior to putting the phone on charge [car or wall]. So what you do is run atk few times [twice at least] then plug the phone in. this worked for both me and my boi here @ mit. After a week plus of testing we decided to release this onto the public.
We both a running stock lg g2x gingerbreads and have not tested it on any other roms, however, I suspect that it will have a similar effect on more leaner and cleaner roms like CS7.
Hope this helps those who are still struggling with this issue.
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In addition I would like to add that we did pull the battery apart in the lab and found that the stock battery was complete SHAYT! Some of the cells were cracked and overall it was just poorly manufactures. Cracked cells inside the power unit diminish its capacity to carry charge by a factor razed to n^power. Also may cause the battery to heat up during the final stages of its charge process [around 95%] due to the fact that to go the last 5% it will require higher resistance also in n^power. I suspect that in this great economy LG is cutting corners whatever place it can so there’s prolly very minimal quality control in power unit production. To those who think that they lose charge too quickly, that the battery gets too hot during charges, and possibly causing the phone to lock up: If you are using the stock battery, you may want to consider replacing it.
P.P.S.
Overall it is a hardware issue, in our opinion, that could be fixed with the use of the software, by rendering that extra line inactive for example. However, I would like to NOT compliment LG as a corporation and organization in general on their moral standing and responsibility that they carry to their customer base by doing completely nothing about this issue!
Thank You LG, I am no longer your customer.
“Making the world a better place, one action at a time.”
Mine used to only shut down during phone calls. This only happened about 4 or 5 times and it got very annoying but eventually it just stopped and hasn't happened since.
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e4e5nf3nc6 said:
Mine used to only shut down during phone calls. This only happened about 4 or 5 times and it got very annoying but eventually it just stopped and hasn't happened since.
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I had my phone reboot during calls a few times a day after I got it. I OC'd my phone with Setcpu and was running Juicedefender. Ever since I clocked it back down and uninstalled those two apps (mind you I just got rid of them without doing any research if it was a problem really either of them cause). I'm going to get replacement batteries soon in hopes to help but it's good know a technique finally so my phone wont crap out during the night.
Seperate story kinda, I once put my phone on the charger. I placed the phone on my bed but with proper air circulation. It sat there for an hour or so. I walked over to use it and the thing was extremely hot. I pulled the battery and checked the phone. The battery was hotter then the phone so you could tell it was the thing over heating and not the phone. I put the battery back in the phone and booted and went straight to spare part's battery stats. It said the battery was overheating. So I pulled the battery and held it and the phone in front of a fan. 5 minutes later it was running cooler then any other time I looked at the battery readings (about 28c) and my phone charged fine for the rest of the night. Also yes when it did over heat the phone wouldn't turn on the first time I got to it.
I have searched the interwebs high and low for this one, but I haven't found another with this issue.
Phone: One XL, ATT - 4.0.3 - CleanRom 4.1 - 1.85
Was browsing using chrome this morning with my battery at 48%. Right before my eyes it flashed the "0% battery - plug in" alert for a split second before it powered off and literally had no battery.
Furthermore, this seems to have been happening 1-2 times a week for a couple months. I keep waking up in the morning to a phone w/ 0% power, despite going to bed with somewhere between 50-100% charge.
I have also experienced the problem where I hold the phone in my hand and the are a near the antennae/camera gets very warm and my battery drops at almost a percent a second until it's dead. This occurs even with Wi-Fi turned off (which I tested due to "scanning" being the perma-status of wifi when the antennae area got warm).
Coming from every iPhone generation, I really like this phone , but the battery issues are pretty substantial. (worse, dare I say than the annoying death-grip apple tried denying was even real)
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Lastly, each time, the battery meter appropriately reflects the drop of power to 0% from 50%+. I have tried reformatting phone to default RUU, upgraded to 1.85, tried newer Cleanrom, everything, no cigar. If anybody has any advice, I'd really appreciate it. I'd also be happy to provide more info if I can.
Thank You!
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Coming from every iPhone generation, I really like this phone , but the battery issues are pretty substantial. (worse, dare I say than the annoying death-grip apple tried denying was even real)
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Pulling the "I had an iPhone, and it was better" card is pointless, and is only going to win you enemies here.
I'd say close to half the people I know with iPhones have had battery issues, or other severe hardware issues, at some point.
Have you tried flashing a different radio? If there is a reception issue, it can be killing your battery quickly searching for the network, even while connected to WiFi.
Also, posting a screenshot of your battery usage (particulary the "large" battery graph called "History details") for us to look at may be useful to help diagnose the problem.
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Pulling the "I had an iPhone, and it was better" card is pointless, and is only going to win you enemies here.
I'd say close to half the people I know with iPhones have had battery issues, or other severe hardware issues, at some point.
Have you tried flashing a different radio? If there is a reception issue, it can be killing your battery quickly searching for the network, even while connected to WiFi.
Also, posting a screenshot of your battery usage (particulary the "large" battery graph called "History details") for us to look at may be useful to help diagnose the problem.
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This pretty much sums up my issue. Guy just went to ATT to replace his.
Also, I'm not pulling the iPhone is better card. It isn't. Period. This phone is amazing and android is vastly superior to iOS. I hate programming in objective C anyway and though the NDK isn't exactly straightforward at least I can run native code. If anything, my complaining about iPhone's crappy hardware problems should gain me praise and camaraderie. I left iPhone and blindly made the leap to an android phone for a reason. "anything has to be better than this (except blackberry o.0)"
Would hate to try and exchange this phone with ATT, given that mine is rooted and unlocked. I'm expecting resistance, and I haven't done my homework to see if I can walk out of ATT with the latest version replacement and still unlock it. Also, I have a tiny chip on the bottom. Don't know if they'll replace it.
Edit: Also, no issues with reception (4g LTE all day). Haven't tried flashing a new radio, but that may help with the second issue. The battery just plummeting to 0% though makes absolutely no sense.
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Edit: Also, no issues with reception (4g LTE all day). Haven't tried flashing a new radio, but that may help with the second issue. The battery just plummeting to 0% though makes absolutely no sense.
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You're right, it doesn't make sense for the actual battery voltage to instantaneously drop like that. Steep line yes, vertical, I don't think its really possible. The vertical drop is likely an incorrect battery meter reading, and the phone correcting itself.
I've seen this once on my phone, and a factory reset cleared it up (never saw it again). Same with at least one other use on here. But the fact that you've flashed some ROMs and ran the RUU should have accomplished the same.
I'd still encourage you to post a screen shot of the battery usage (for several hours of use), as looking at the battery grapsh versus the bars for network signal, awake, etc. might shed some light.
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You're right, it doesn't make sense for the actual battery voltage to instantaneously drop like that. Steep line yes, vertical, I don't think its really possible. The vertical drop is likely an incorrect battery meter reading, and the phone correcting itself.
I've seen this once on my phone, and a factory reset cleared it up (never saw it again). Same with at least one other use on here. But the fact that you've flashed some ROMs and ran the RUU should have accomplished the same.
I'd still encourage you to post a screen shot of the battery usage (for several hours of use), as looking at the battery grapsh versus the bars for network signal, awake, etc. might shed some light.
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I had hoped a factory reset would solve it for me as well, but once it started happening nothing would stop it I will update the thread the next time it happens then. Just got off the phone with ATT and they'll exchange it if it doesn't have physical damage, but the small chip out of the bottom could possibly deem it out of warranty, in which case they charge the full price of the phone (509$)!
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Just got off the phone with ATT and they'll exchange it if it doesn't have physical damage, but the small chip out of the bottom could possibly deem it out of warranty, in which case they charge the full price of the phone (509$)!
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From what other XDA users have posted, I don't think one small ding will void your warranty, if its in good shape otherwise. Its when people try to send a phone in that is pretty beat up, or has a cracked screen or water damage, and want a warranty replacement, that they get denied.
Been having the exact same issue with my Rogers One X recently. The problem comes and goes... I woke up and found it dead twice just like you described. Sometimes it even dropped 20% of battery in a flash second.
I'm on Clean Rom V SP1. Just flashed BeastMode kernel a couple days ago and it's normal so far for two days... Just a note (it might not even be relevant), I had to use flashlight for a longer than usual period once. Not sure if the aggressive draw of battery screwed up the battery's voltage meter and thus causing this issue..
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From what other XDA users have posted, I don't think one small ding will void your warranty, if its in good shape otherwise. Its when people try to send a phone in that is pretty beat up, or has a cracked screen or water damage, and want a warranty replacement, that they get denied.
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Thanks for this. Am leery of ATT, as it's often their way or the highway.
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Been having the exact same issue with my Rogers One X recently. The problem comes and goes... I woke up and found it dead twice just like you described. Sometimes it even dropped 20% of battery in a flash second.
I'm on Clean Rom V SP1. Just flashed BeastMode kernel a couple days ago and it's normal so far for two days... Just a note (it might not even be relevant), I had to use flashlight for a longer than usual period once. Not sure if the aggressive draw of battery screwed up the battery's voltage meter and thus causing this issue..
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Hope new version of cleanrom works for you. It's a great rom. I haven't used the flashlight beyond turning it on and going "spiffy" and turning it back off, so I doubt that contributed to it. Mine started out every once in a while, then just happened more and more frequently. I don't want to leave my phone charging all night. Think I'm going to try and exchange at ATT today.
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You're right, it doesn't make sense for the actual battery voltage to instantaneously drop like that. Steep line yes, vertical, I don't think its really possible. The vertical drop is likely an incorrect battery meter reading, and the phone correcting itself.
I've seen this once on my phone, and a factory reset cleared it up (never saw it again). Same with at least one other use on here. But the fact that you've flashed some ROMs and ran the RUU should have accomplished the same.
I'd still encourage you to post a screen shot of the battery usage (for several hours of use), as looking at the battery grapsh versus the bars for network signal, awake, etc. might shed some light.
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I think the described problem looks like this (attached)
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I think the described problem looks like this (attached)
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Yup, I understand perfectly what it looks like, and I've seen it myself. I want to see a screenshot of the OP's phone, not random other people. In particular, the screen "History details" accessed when you tap the graph, which shows bar graphs for Mobile network signal, Awake time, etc.
It also seems the OP is talking about 2 completely different issues. One is the vertical drop in the %battery graph (which is probably just a metering error). The other is a steep (but not vertical) battery drainage including the phone possibly overheating. I'm more interested to see the screenshot for that case.
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Yup, I understand perfectly what it looks like, and I've seen it myself. I want to see a screenshot of the OP's phone, not random other people. In particular, the screen "History details" accessed when you tap the graph, which shows bar graphs for Mobile network signal, Awake time, etc.
It also seems the OP is talking about 2 completely different issues. One is the vertical drop in the %battery graph (which is probably just a metering error). The other is a steep (but not vertical) battery drainage including the phone possibly overheating. I'm more interested to see the screenshot for that case.
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Yes, I do mention two issues. The main one I address here is the vertical drop. And the above poster is right, that's exactly what it looks like when the battery dies. If (when) it happens again though I'll include the more detailed graph.
The secondary issue though, some have speculated is a result of the phone losing and then regaining 4g lte signal. Not sure about that one though, as it happens late at night for me. The one night I left my phone in the charger is when I discovered it in the morning. My phone was at 100% charge when I fell asleep, but when I woke it was at 80% and was very warm. It was using more power than the charger was providing, it seems, and that is when I experienced the rapid drop of a percent every second-ish after I took it off the charger. The wi-fi status was also set to "scanning" the entire time the phone was discharging until I rebooted it once it hit 10%. The issue stopped and the phone cooled off. Charged as advertised afterwards.
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Also, I went to the ATT store and since it was a core store they weren't familiar with exchanges. I got the manager though and had them take a peek at the phone and made certain they noted in my account that it's in good condition (they didn't notice care about the chips, I suppose). Replacement will be here in 6-10 days, but it will be a refurb (which surprised me). Hopefully I won't get two with the same issue.
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Yes, I do mention two issues. The main one I address here is the vertical drop. And the above poster is right, that's exactly what it looks like when the battery dies. If (when) it happens again though I'll include the more detailed graph.
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No need to post that graph. I think its just a metering error, and I don't think the "History details" graph will shed much light.
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The secondary issue though, some have speculated is a result of the phone losing and then regaining 4g lte signal.
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Could be. The "History details" graph indicates data network strength, as well as dropouts (amongst other things). So that is the one I want to see (not the graph for vertical drop).
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Could be. The "History details" graph indicates data network strength, as well as dropouts (amongst other things). So that is the one I want to see (not the graph for vertical drop).
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Will post it next time it happens!
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Will post it next time it happens!
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I've actually had this issue happen to me about once a week, and I haven't figured it out.
I used to think it was from Google Maps or some rogue app eating battery, but I've really been careful about leaving them running and it still occurs.
I'll also try and grab a battery graph next time, but it literally looks like a complete instantaneous jump from 70% or whatever to 0%.
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I've actually had this issue happen to me about once a week, and I haven't figured it out.
I used to think it was from Google Maps or some rogue app eating battery, but I've really been careful about leaving them running and it still occurs.
I'll also try and grab a battery graph next time, but it literally looks like a complete instantaneous jump from 70% or whatever to 0%.
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Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but I have had "auto-brightness" turned off since I made this post and it hasn't happened since. My phone might also have known that I ordered a replacement, so now it's trying to be on its best behavior.
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I've actually had this issue happen to me about once a week, and I haven't figured it out.
I used to think it was from Google Maps or some rogue app eating battery, but I've really been careful about leaving them running and it still occurs.
I'll also try and grab a battery graph next time, but it literally looks like a complete instantaneous jump from 70% or whatever to 0%.
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As I've already mentioned, the vertical jump is likely not related to any actual battery usage (such as a rogue app). Its probably just a metering error, and the vertical jump is the meter trying to correct itself. If the issue persists, the only solution that I have seen that helps is a factory reset.
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As I've already mentioned, the vertical jump is likely not related to any actual battery usage (such as a rogue app). Its probably just a metering error, and the vertical jump is the meter trying to correct itself. If the issue persists, the only solution that I have seen that helps is a factory reset.
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You're probably right. The other possibility is a battery failure... I hope not. I've definitely reset battery stats in recovery but I haven't done a factory reset recently. Next time I flash I will.
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You're probably right. The other possibility is a battery failure... I hope not. I've definitely reset battery stats in recovery but I haven't done a factory reset recently. Next time I flash I will.
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I doubt its a battery failure. I'm no expert on batteries or anything. But I would think that it would be impossible for the battery voltage to just drop to zero. Where would all the energy go? It would at least have to be expelled in a burst of heat or go to ground, or something. Conservation of energy says its got to go somewhere, it just can't vanish. That's what leads me to believe its just a metering error, not a real life event.
As for clearing battery stats, it really does nothing. It just clears the stats displayed on the battery usage screen, which also happens when you turn the phone off, or charge it fully. The myth of clearing battery stats was debunked a while ago: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-engineer-debunks-myth-wiping-battery-stats-does-not-improve-battery-life/
Either way it's really hard to tell. If it's a battery failure issue, then capacity won't be reliable. In conjunction with a metering problem, then the voltage is not really dropping, it's just reading much lower than it thought it was... which signals the phone to power down.
I'm definitely going to factory reset soon when I flash, and see what happens.
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I doubt its a battery failure. I'm no expert on batteries or anything. But I would think that it would be impossible for the battery voltage to just drop to zero. Where would all the energy go? It would at least have to be expelled in a burst of heat or go to ground, or something. Conservation of energy says its got to go somewhere, it just can't vanish. That's what leads me to believe its just a metering error, not a real life event.
As for clearing battery stats, it really does nothing. It just clears the stats displayed on the battery usage screen, which also happens when you turn the phone off, or charge it fully. The myth of clearing battery stats was debunked a while ago: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-engineer-debunks-myth-wiping-battery-stats-does-not-improve-battery-life/
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So I think it happened again.
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Either way it's really hard to tell. If it's a battery failure issue, then capacity won't be reliable. In conjunction with a metering problem, then the voltage is not really dropping, it's just reading much lower than it thought it was... which signals the phone to power down.
I'm definitely going to factory reset soon when I flash, and see what happens.
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Dear XDA experts,
It seems I have a typical problem for most Samsung Galaxy S3 I9300 users. I've been testing my phone's battery capacity on two different batteries, and four custom roms, yet something leeches out their power incredibly fast.
I've been deeply investigating the issue across the web, with no prevalent solutions that worked. Below I will describe exactly what my problem is, my specs, and what I've done to this point.
This will be my first post. I'm only doing this because I want to bring BetterBatteryStats data into consideration, without just speculating "do this". Please have mercy on my soul - I really appreciate all the stuff on the forum, and I wouldn't like to violate any rules.
Problem
My Samsung Galaxy S3 I9300 drains my batteries as a vampire, regardless of what I've tried. Just to give you an example: the phone loses 6% out of a 100% in just 40 minutes of standby, while being optimized, with no "lost signal" search processes. Without charging it twice a day, the S3 remains mostly unusable.
Purchase and Specs
I'm its second owner. The previous one sold it to me through an auction site (he was changing to S4). The phone seems legit. Mint conditions, little or no scratches visible. The system was factory wiped, and later it turned out that it wasn't flashed before. I also got original Polish carrier boxing with instructions, and equipment.
Note: The guy didn't handle the receipt to me, and I don't know if there's still warranty on the phone. Servicing might not be an option.
System:
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www (dot)mediafire(dot)com(slash)folder(slash)wfb1spe9ez9al(slash)xda_S3_thread
SentinelROM 6.00
3.0.64-CM-gfab9e4c Kernel
Android 4.4.2
Factory battery EB-L1G6LLU 2100 mAh
Second battery M-Life ML0373 2300 mAh 8.5Wh 3.7v Li-ion
Normally, Bluelight Filter and GoLauncher EX Prime are the minimum that I have in the background.
What I've already done
Rooted my S3 with CM Autoroot
Installed CWM Recovery 6.0.4.6
Always did a factory, cache, and dalvik wipe
Tested CM11 NIghtly from 09.12.14
Tested CM10.2 Stable
Finally flashed SentinelROM 6.00 4.4 KK
Debloated my phone - not syncing, no tracking
Disabled "All, that's Google" #notonmywatch
With every new ROM, I've been optimizing settings and tweaking the CPU to ONDEMAND. Also, same time I've been running Go Power Master and Greenify. That covers nearly everything people were recommending in the many threads I've visited.
Weird facts
Phone can lose 6% in 40 minutes after charge while idle
Writing an sms can take as much as 10% of the battery
It seems odd that the S3 can fully charge in just 1h on both batteries
When trying to discharge my phone, it deadlocks below 4%, lasting unusual 2.5h when used
Screens
I've been monitoring my phone for a day with BetterBatteryStats while I had Greenify hybernate some apps. Obviously, I've seen an improvement in the performance, but it just seems not right. There's a lot of pics here, but I hope that someone can spot a tracing app, or some other spying tactics, because I just can't explain what's on.
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That's all I have for now. I think it would be a great favor to everybody on XDA to finally crack the case. I'm open to suggestions, and I can run tests on the S3 and provide results here.
Last question
Could someone recommend the best ROM and kernel for energy optimization?
Thank you, and good luck.
PS: Imagine playing Watchdogs with Aiden having an advanced S3 phone... Wouldn't happen
Your symptoms sound like bad batteries honestly. The biggest giveaway here is that the battery drains ridiculously fast to 4% then lasts the "normal" amount of time. This is usually indicative of dead cells.
My suggestion, buy another battery, avoid the cheap aftermarket batteries, either go stock or a good quality 3rd party battery and see if it changes anything.
How long between flashes are you allowing your device to settle? Battery drain may appear high on fresh flashes for the first few cycles, this could also contribute to what you're seeing.
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Stryke_the_Orc said:
Your symptoms sound like bad batteries honestly. The biggest giveaway here is that the battery drains ridiculously fast to 4% then lasts the "normal" amount of time. This is usually indicative of dead cells.
My suggestion, buy another battery, avoid the cheap aftermarket batteries, either go stock or a good quality 3rd party battery and see if it changes anything.
How long between flashes are you allowing your device to settle? Battery drain may appear high on fresh flashes for the first few cycles, this could also contribute to what you're seeing.
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Hello Stryke,
Did you had a chance to look through the screenshots? I might buy a legit Samsung battery, but just something tells me that could not work. I've already seen posts from people saying they tried replacing the battery with another original, but without luck.
I must admit that I didn't consider the time in between flashes as important (never heard about it previously). Normally, I would just copy my zips to SD, reboot to recovery, do a wipe and then flash.
Please tell me - what do you think about the charge time? Is 1 hour enough for a full charge?
I welcome any other suggestions!
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Hello Stryke,
Did you had a chance to look through the screenshots? I might buy a legit Samsung battery, but just something tells me that could not work. I've already seen posts from people saying they tried replacing the battery with another original, but without luck.
I must admit that I didn't consider the time in between flashes as important (never heard about it previously). Normally, I would just copy my zips to SD, reboot to recovery, do a wipe and then flash.
Please tell me - what do you think about the charge time? Is 1 hour enough for a full charge?
I welcome any other suggestions!
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Generally no, even with fast charge my note takes longer than 1 hour to fully charge. I'd try the new battery, that will at least rule out one possibility. Time between flashes can make a huge difference as well, especially if custom kernels are involved.
Hi guys, wondering if anyone can help
I bought a new unlocked T-Mobile LG G5 from ebay last week for my wife, after buying it I didn't realize that the unlock code is a software unlock, not a SIM unlock, and that I am not able to flash to the stock LG firmware if I want to keep the unlock on hand.
I was looking at flashing to stock because the battery life is quite poor for a new phone, much worse than my S7 Edge, even though she doesnt do anything crazy on it. Are there any tips or tricks to improve the battery life, its using H83020i_un software with what appears to be the regular/default T-Mobile stock apps...
Any help would be appreciated, either regarding the battery, the unlock, or both. Also, will I get any OTA updates, and if I do will it re-lock the phone? Im in Canada btw
Thanks
There is a thread covering all the ins and outs of the 20i_un custom SIM unlock ROM. Everything about locking and updates is thoroughly discussed 1 thread up from this one.
About battery life, that ROM shouldn't be impacting battery life. You should get 4 hours of screen on time (roughly) per charge. If that's not enough to get you through the day, then this isn't the phone for you.
If you aren't getting 4 hours of screen on time, something is wrong. It's not the ROM because the ROM is PROBABLY the stock ROM with 1 small modification for SIM unlock.
Things like Facebook are NOTORIOUS battery drainers so if you run a lot of apps like that, they could be hurting you. Have you looked at your battery stats? Do any apps jump out as taking up a lot of battery? Is it the Android system that's using the battery?
Android's battery stats chart will tell you a lot about what it using your battery. We'd need to know what it is before we could suggest fixes.
Also...be sure to leave the seller negative feedback on eBay. This phone was misrepresented on eBay, even after they were aware if was not factory sealed and had been modified. They lied about how many they had too, saying they were nearly out of stock at least a thousand units ago. That's deceptive advertising. They lied to multiple people about putting that second clear seal over the broken factory seal. And they contacted at least me outside of the eBay message system which is a blatant violation of the eBay terms of service. Even if you keep it, the seller deserves negative feedback.
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There is a thread covering all the ins and outs of the 20i_un custom SIM unlock ROM. Everything about locking and updates is thoroughly discussed 1 thread up from this one.
About battery life, that ROM shouldn't be impacting battery life. You should get 4 hours of screen on time (roughly) per charge. If that's not enough to get you through the day, then this isn't the phone for you.
If you aren't getting 4 hours of screen on time, something is wrong. It's not the ROM because the ROM is PROBABLY the stock ROM with 1 small modification for SIM unlock.
Things like Facebook are NOTORIOUS battery drainers so if you run a lot of apps like that, they could be hurting you. Have you looked at your battery stats? Do any apps jump out as taking up a lot of battery? Is it the Android system that's using the battery?
Android's battery stats chart will tell you a lot about what it using your battery. We'd need to know what it is before we could suggest fixes.
Also...be sure to leave the seller negative feedback on eBay. This phone was misrepresented on eBay, even after they were aware if was not factory sealed and had been modified. They lied about how many they had too, saying they were nearly out of stock at least a thousand units ago. That's deceptive advertising. They lied to multiple people about putting that second clear seal over the broken factory seal. And they contacted at least me outside of the eBay message system which is a blatant violation of the eBay terms of service. Even if you keep it, the seller deserves negative feedback.
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Yeah I did notice that about the seal when I opened mine.
I noticed the battery drains alot while idling, not sure what could cause that though...
Well...look at the battery stats charge in the settings. It will tell you what's using the battery.
Are you using the Always On Display? If so that's your answer. That chews up battery like crazy at around 0.8% per hour. Conversely I get 0.1% to 0.2% drain per hour on idle with the Always On Display turned off.
I'm also a fan of Greenify for putting the phone into Doze mode after minutes rather than an hour or two like Android does natively. I'm not a huge fan of Greenify as a task killer as that's counterproductive in most cases. Though I do let it kill an annoying persistent Major League Baseball app that I like but that doesn't know when to shut up.
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Well...look at the battery stats charge in the settings. It will tell you what's using the battery.
Are you using the Always On Display? If so that's your answer. That chews up battery like crazy at around 0.8% per hour. Conversely I get 0.1% to 0.2% drain per hour on idle with the Always On Display turned off.
I'm also a fan of Greenify for putting the phone into Doze mode after minutes rather than an hour or two like Android does natively. I'm not a huge fan of Greenify as a task killer as that's counterproductive in most cases. Though I do let it kill an annoying persistent Major League Baseball app that I like but that doesn't know when to shut up.
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Always on display is off, using greenify, helped a bit, but I notice that most of the battery usage % is "Phone Idleing"
Agree, in the past month or so, my LG G5 battery life has become noticeably worse. The top two battery burners are Android OS and Phone Idle. I've tried multiple hard resets, clearing cache, etc, but nothing seems to help. I haven't shut off the always on display, but it wasn't shut down before. Something has changed recently, maybe in the last update, but the battery life is terrible now. Any help would be appreciated.
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Agree, in the past month or so, my LG G5 battery life has become noticeably worse. The top two battery burners are Android OS and Phone Idle. I've tried multiple hard resets, clearing cache, etc, but nothing seems to help. I haven't shut off the always on display, but it wasn't shut down before. Something has changed recently, maybe in the last update, but the battery life is terrible now. Any help would be appreciated.
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If youre on 20k update, then I agree. Battery life was fine until 20k update. Now I cant get through lunch. Battery stats is not helpful. Shows no issues.
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If youre on 20k update, then I agree. Battery life was fine until 20k update. Now I cant get through lunch. Battery stats is not helpful. Shows no issues.
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I have had no change in battery life since updating to 20k
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I have had no change in battery life since updating to 20k
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Thanks for the info. Will try a factory reset and see if that helps.
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If youre on 20k update, then I agree. Battery life was fine until 20k update. Now I cant get through lunch. Battery stats is not helpful. Shows no issues.
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Do u know how to downgrade?
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Were you ever able to solve the battery problem?
There are a couple of comments on the previous page that Phone Idle is a large consumer. That happens when you pick the wrong carrier, and the signal is weak most of the places you spend time. When that happens, it's assumed that the phone's signal will be weak at the tower, so the phone transmits at maximum power - and that kills a battery fast. Choose a carrier that has solid green in the battery stats (tap the graph to get to that page, then scroll down). That's the first thing you should do when choosing a carrier - not that they're the only ones carrying this great new phone so far, but that they give you a solid signal where you spend most of your time. And it's exactly what most people don't do (because they're not aware of it). (And the phone matters too - some just have more sensitive receivers than others.)
I've had the Pixel 7 pro since December 2022. Ever since then whenever I had the newest version of Android System Intelligence installed this phone would overheat to the point where touching it got uncomfortable, it would thermal throttle, the pixel launcher would lag and the battery would drain way to quickly. I know that uninstalling the updates for Android System Intelligence from the PlayStore and locking it so it doesn't auto update fixes the problem, but my question is. Is there really nothing I can do about this? Will I really have to keep an older build of Android System Intelligence installed just to properly use my phone?
Try in safe mode as it may be a 3rd party app causing the issue. Try clearing data in that app and any associated apps.
Otherwise...
If you really want to go nuts, factory reset then try the updated version. Might get the same result though.
I don't upgrade or update my N10+; it's still running on the same load from 3 years ago with no issues and almost zero down time.
If it's fulfilling its mission let it be...
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Try in safe mode as it may be a 3rd party app causing the issue. Try clearing data in that app and any associated apps.
Otherwise...
If you really want to go nuts, factory reset then try the updated version. Might get the same result though.
I don't upgrade or update my N10+; it's still running on the same load from 3 years ago with no issues and almost zero down time.
If it's fulfilling its mission let it be...
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I appreciate the suggestion, however going into safe mode won't fix this. I already reset the device to no success, it sucks as I am really enjoying my p7p, if only it weren't for this issue.
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I appreciate the suggestion, however going into safe mode won't fix this. I already reset the device to no success, it sucks as I am really enjoying my p7p, if only it weren't for this issue.
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I would just use the version that works unless that doesn't work either.
If the latter is the case it might be a huge can of worms...
blackhawk said:
I would just use the version that works unless that doesn't work either.
If the latter is the case it might be a huge can of worms...
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I'm thankful version T.10.sysimg.pixel7.477131528 of ASI seems to be stable, but yes if this were the case for all versions I wouldn't have hesitated returning this when I had the chance
Really?
Going to test this out over the next couple days. My device previously used to run pretty cool, even though the weather got hotter, but now I'm never underneath 32°C even when idle, lol.
I'm not sure if this affects everyone. I talked to a friend that also has a pixel 7 pro and according to him he doesn't have this problem.
Yeah, it got to the point where even if I left my phone idle, it would be warm to the touch and hot whenever I started using it, even if all I was doing was texting someone.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.as
Uninstalling the updates makes it stable again, you might have to restart your device for changes to fully take effect though.
Another thing I could mention is, that going into the battery settings and seeing which app uses the most amount of battery it would end up showing the pixel launcher not ASI, having looked online and trying things out myself I figured ASI was the real culprit and not pixel launcher. Basically I think that features like at a glance, which are integrated into the pixel launcher make use of ASI and for some reason newer versions just like using up a lot of performance in the background, resulting in pixel launcher being reported as a huge battery drainer to android when in reality it's ASI
Curiousn00b said:
Really?
Going to test this out over the next couple days. My device previously used to run pretty cool, even though the weather got hotter, but now I'm never underneath 32°C even when idle, lol.
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What's the ambient temperature? If it's running warm now a few days won't help unless you track down the cause. If found, boom, the excessive cpu cycles and heat will stop.
Is global power management active? If so try disabling it.
Are any services disabled? Dependencies...
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see if that tones it down. Backup Transport, Playstore and Gmail are dependencies.
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What's the ambient temperature? If it's running warm now a few days won't help unless you track down the cause. If found, boom, the excessive cpu cycles and heat will stop.
Is global power management active? If so try disabling it.
Are any services disabled? Dependencies...
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see if that tones it down. Backup Transport, Playstore and Gmail are dependencies.
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Pretty much the same usage day by day, but even with the heat being hotter and the A/C being on, that warmth is just there.
I run strictly custom roms currently, so my device is normally pretty barebone on apps nowadays.
I rolled back to a version from March, as April/May is when the heating did start. I'm actually sitting at 29°C right now as I type this, compared to the 33-35 from the first couple minutes of Telegram.
Going to test it out for a few days and see how it manages on the go and whatnot.
Curiousn00b said:
Pretty much the same usage day by day, but even with the heat being hotter and the A/C being on, that warmth is just there.
I run strictly custom roms currently, so my device is normally pretty barebone on apps nowadays.
I rolled back to a version from March, as April/May is when the heating did start. I'm actually sitting at 29°C right now as I type this, compared to the 33-35 from the first couple minutes of Telegram.
Going to test it out for a few days and see how it manages on the go and whatnot.
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Looking at the milliampere usage real time can yield clues. At idle I want to see it sink below 100ma and go to 70ma or lower occasionally couple times a minute. If I see a lot of high spikes or it's averaging in the 3-400's or higher at idle with no apps open, something's up.
A logging firewall can help pin down which app is sucking the juice.
Custom roms are harder to troubleshoot than stock. If you're rooted you have more monitoring and diagnostic tools available though if you use them.
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Looking at the milliampere usage real time can yield clues. At idle I want to see it sink below 100ma and go to 70ma or lower occasionally couple times a minute. If I see a lot of high spikes or it's averaging in the 3-400's or higher at idle with no apps open, something's up.
A logging firewall can help pin down which app is sucking the juice.
Custom roms are harder to troubleshoot than stock. If you're rooted you have more monitoring and diagnostic tools available though if you use them.
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While I completely agree about everything, apparently, ASI turned out to be the culprit... I'm now at 25°C. I haven't been this low since before the April update. Who would've thought it was that simple, lol.
I've previously tried even stock and on my end, I had only Whatsapp with 2 other apps installed, but I still couldn't get under 33°C. The second I downgraded my ASI, my temps dropped. Everything the OP was experiencing has been my experience that I've been explaining here and there on Telegram as well.
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While I completely agree about everything, apparently, ASI turned out to be the culprit... I'm now at 25°C. I haven't been this low since before the April update. Who would've thought it was that simple, lol.
I've previously tried even stock and on my end, I had only Whatsapp with 2 other apps installed, but I still couldn't get under 33°C. The second I downgraded my ASI, my temps dropped. Everything the OP was experiencing has been my experience that I've been explaining here and there on Telegram as well.
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Yay! So how how did you correct it?
I keep all social media, shopping and banking apps off the phone. I use by browser login only.
WhatsApp I avoid entirely.
blackhawk said:
Yay! So how how did you correct it?
I keep all social media, shopping and banking apps off the phone. I use by browser login only.
WhatsApp I avoid entirely.
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Not sure about kernels for thermals, but currently running Sultan's kernel, and I installed the ASI from March 31st(didn't want to be too outdated. Not sure what version comes preinstalled)
This one
I'm going to see how the device deals with mobile data tomorrow on the go.
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Not sure about kernels for thermals, but currently running Sultan's kernel, and I installed the ASI from March 31st(didn't want to be too outdated. Not sure what version comes preinstalled)
This one
I'm going to see how the device deals with mobile data tomorrow on the go.
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I wouldn't worry about it being "outdated".
The only thing that counts is if it runs well, is a joy to use and is fulfilling its mission.
This N10+ is still running on Pie. It's current load is 3yo now, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. More play time, less down time.
My day yesterday, I didn't go over 37°C while I was out all day surprisingly and the phone never felt warm in hand.
I wonder if it felt warm previously since something was wonky, but now since it seems more settled, it's not as warm but even at the highest temp(35-37), it feels normal to hold.
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My day yesterday, I didn't go over 37°C while I was out all day surprisingly and the phone never felt warm in hand.
I wonder if it felt warm previously since something was wonky, but now since it seems more settled, it's not as warm but even at the highest temp(35-37), it feels normal to hold.
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Likely something you did. Problem is -what- if it reoccurs
Always best if you can find to root cause. For a frequently reoccurring problem a reboot is not the answer even though it may temporarily solve it. Androids should may able to run days, weeks with no reboot or issues.
Once you find it the solution will seems simple... but when the issue is causing high battery drain the pressure is on. That's what took out my first battery, got less then 16 months on it before it failed (and I do mean failed!). You never want a warm idling phone as it is trouble; robs you of performance... and batteries
НIt's 27 degrees outside. The phone heats up to 36-42 degrees on LTE. Cleaned the device and set it up as new a week ago. June firmware, everything is updated
Dark8812 said:
I've had the Pixel 7 pro since December 2022. Ever since then whenever I had the newest version of Android System Intelligence installed this phone would overheat to the point where touching it got uncomfortable, it would thermal throttle, the pixel launcher would lag and the battery would drain way to quickly. I know that uninstalling the updates for Android System Intelligence from the PlayStore and locking it so it doesn't auto update fixes the problem, but my question is. Is there really nothing I can do about this? Will I really have to keep an older build of Android System Intelligence installed just to properly use my phone?
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How big is the drain?
The Battery usage shows indeed ASI and Pixel Launcher for almost whole time span (~6h), but the battery drain is respectively 2% and 1%, were 20 minutes of Opera Browser used 19%, so it looks minimal. My phone does not get warm in idle or even in light usage, while the ambient temperature is ~25-26 celsius.
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How big is the drain?
The Battery usage shows indeed ASI and Pixel Launcher for almost whole time span (~6h), but the battery drain is respectively 2% and 1%, were 20 minutes of Opera Browser used 19%, so it looks minimal. My phone does not get warm in idle or even in light usage, while the ambient temperature is ~25-26 celsius.
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From what it seems this doesn't seem to be affecting everyone, a friend of mine also owns a pixel 7 pro and he told me he doesn't have these problems. On average Pixel Launcher would use about 40% Battery and my phone wouldn't last longer than 6 hours even with barely any usage. I am running stock newest June update and have not rooted this device so I can't for sure say what the cause is other than ASI
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From what it seems this doesn't seem to be affecting everyone, a friend of mine also owns a pixel 7 pro and he told me he doesn't have these problems. On average Pixel Launcher would use about 40% Battery and my phone wouldn't last longer than 6 hours even with barely any usage. I am running stock newest June update and have not rooted this device so I can't for sure say what the cause is other than ASI
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During a production run they sometimes substitute smaller chipsets. This can lead to instruction set incompatibilities in the firmware.
Since it only involves a few hundred units tracking down this kind of issue is a ***** and the manufacturer's fault. Samsung is known to do this and they're not the only ones...