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Root when Marshmallow is out?

So i was wondering, should i root my Xperia Z5 dual now with Unlocked BL method on Lollipop or should i wait until Marshmallow is coming out to Xperia devices and root with Marshmallow on board? suggestion anyone?

Is your bootloader already unlocked?
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Nope not yet.. i dont want to void my warranty yet

Then u may as well wait
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Never know someone might find a bug in marshmallow to allow locked bootloader root. Anything is possible
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calvinerico said:
So i was wondering, should i root my Xperia Z5 dual now with Unlocked BL method on Lollipop or should i wait until Marshmallow is coming out to Xperia devices and root with Marshmallow on board? suggestion anyone?
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Ive unlocked my device's bootloaders, rooted them all.. And i can honestly say, i dont regret it at all. Ive debloated the phone completely, ive even removed core system apps and services that i dont need or use.. I removed everything related to nfc (the NFC chip is actually used as a tracking device and stuff). Im very pedantic when it comes to blocking anything with hidden permissions and blocking apps from having open unrestricted access to my files, location, info etc etc.. My firmware is. Very clean, to give you an idea of how much ram and storage space i freed up.. Before debloating my phone and cleaning out unnecessary system apps from my device.. The the system was using up anywhere from 2.2-2.7GB RAM... Thats extremely high considering thats more than 75% of your total ram..
After debloating my device..
System only uses 1.4-1.7GB RAM..
And to put the icing on the cake. The battery now lasts aaaaages even when playing games and doing a lot of heavy use., the phone barely even gets warm as well. Which is an added bonus.. When my phone is in sleep / doze state (screen off) my device has lastest up to almost 10hrs with only 1% battery left ... Loll
But if youre worried about voiding warranty, then just gotta be patient and wait for an exploited firmware with rootable system.
I suspect it wont be too long of a wait

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Ive unlocked my device's bootloaders, rooted them all.. And i can honestly say, i dont regret it at all. Ive debloated the phone completely, ive even removed core system apps and services that i dont need or use.. I removed everything related to nfc (the NFC chip is actually used as a tracking device and stuff). Im very pedantic when it comes to blocking anything with hidden permissions and blocking apps from having open unrestricted access to my files, location, info etc etc.. My firmware is. Very clean, to give you an idea of how much ram and storage space i freed up.. Before debloating my phone and cleaning out unnecessary system apps from my device.. The the system was using up anywhere from 2.2-2.7GB RAM... Thats extremely high considering thats more than 75% of your total ram..
After debloating my device..
System only uses 1.4-1.7GB RAM..
And to put the icing on the cake. The battery now lasts aaaaages even when playing games and doing a lot of heavy use., the phone barely even gets warm as well. Which is an added bonus.. When my phone is in sleep / doze state (screen off) my device has lastest up to almost 10hrs with only 1% battery left ... Loll
But if youre worried about voiding warranty, then just gotta be patient and wait for an exploited firmware with rootable system.
I suspect it wont be too long of a wait
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Hey,
Would you mind telling us what apps/core apps did you remove?

ChristianLetti said:
Hey,
Would you mind telling us what apps/core apps did you remove?
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Certainly
Removed The Following from device.. on a (Rooted Xperia Z5, Unlocked Bootloader)
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Browser (small app) --- (this app is so useless, it just doesn't belong)
Explore (Sony) ---- (Not interested)
Facebook ---- (I dont use facebook)
Linked in ---- (Dont use / need it)
Playstation App ---- (Dont need / use it)
Account Manager (Sony) ---- (Useless, Not needed)
Creative Effect --- (I Dont bother with camera effects and photo editing, i just take photos as they are)
Drive --- (Google, Again- I Dont need / use it.. cloud storage on google.. no thanks!)
File Commander ---(Don't like it) (I use ESFileExplorer instead)
Google Lyrics Extension --- (Like seriously, Wtf is the point of this useless app) its legit, useless. haha..)
Google Play Books ---(Dont need/use it.. pointless app, waste of space/ram)
Google Play Games --- (I dont sign in with my information to play games) (Problematic App, Just delete it) even after deleting it i play every game fine, without any problems.. (Safe to get rid of it)
Google Play Movies --- (AGAIN, unwanted bloatware, Who The. **** would even consider using this, pay to watch movies, HAHA yeah right!)
Google Play Music --- (Yet AGAIN, unwanted useless bloatware, when i can use Youtube/TubeMate instead)
Google Play Newsstand --- (GET OFF MY DEVICE, Extremely Useless bloatware AGAIN.) I hate anything google relation UNLESS it's needed (Play store, Play services, like thats fair enough)
Google+ ------(Hell no, GONE.. I dont need it and dont want it, To me it is considered BLOATWARE) most google related APPS also ask for unrestricted / Excluse access to your entire device.. Like wtf.. NO thanks!
Hangout ------(bye bye bloatware)
Movie Creator ------( Dont need / use it ) simple video recording is plenty for my use..
News & Weather ------( Don't Want it on my device, When i can simple check everywhere else with consuming ram / space) drains battery aswell.
Photos ------(Dont need it, WHy would i use it when I have an App called ALBUM that works good enough) (And I'm not in to the whole photo sharing/social crap that goes along with it.. (Bloatware in my eyes)
Playstation Video ------(Dont use / Need it)
*****ALSO, I removed the default theme Colors that i did not like/want.. I kept Dark & Red.. I deleted the rest though "Orange, Purple, Blue, Green, White" each one was 8MB .. (Dont need things on my device that i wont be using, Right?? ****
Socialife ------( Blah blah blah, Gone!!!)
Sound Photo ------(ahhh yeaaah--nahhhhh) useless to me.. Considered bloatware.
TalkBack ------( Gone )
Video------- (Unwanted Bloatware)
Weather Widget -------(No Thanks, As small as this app Appears to be) It is a god damn battery killer.. Thats A fact!!!! Location>
And that should pretty much be it for now, unless i have missed anything..
Hope that was enough info for you mate ..
Then,

A few others i removed, are a few pointless key modules as well (mainly camera related)
(Lips, sunshine etc) these modules are obvious to spot.. Their icons are of little smiley faces each module with a different color smiley face.. Get rid of all the ones you dont need / want..
Also remember to always restart your device when disabling / force stopping / deleting apps/services / modules / core services etc so that any remaining residual files are removed completely and the new (device spring clean) takes effect.
So restart once you have removed everything you dont want or need..

FYI, removing some of the bloatware resulted in reproducible 'random' restarts on LP.
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millicent said:
FYI, removing some of the bloatware resulted in reproducible 'random' restarts on LP.
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It never did that to me on LP..

TheTecXpert or any of the others, forgive me for my ignorance or stupidity lol, but rather new to playing with my phone, I have always rooted my Sony's mainly for custom roms to get extra options etc, but now looking to expand my horizons.
I'm not a complete newly to programming (have done my share 13 years ago) lol but also have a fairly I.T knowledgeable background.
Are you able to explain or advise or point to another thread that explains how you removed all the excess system apps etc (yes I have looked but usually at work with limited Time)

Hey man,
Don't worry about your warranty ! It's not a problem voiding it as soon as you know how to repair a bootloop or those sortr of things. It will (of course) won't void your technical warranty and, trust me, it worth it (see @TheTecXpert , he done a lot of great things )
Of course this is your choice to wait. It's a good solution too, but rooting is very cool on Android. Think twice

Hi cab13,
Z5 is already running mm, flashed it and now rooted and bl unlocked so not concerned about warranty. I have found it near impossible to brick these things lol, just not sure how to remove all the apps that TheTecXpert did, Wether it was done with programming or something as simple as root Explorer(if so what directory)
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Hi cab13,
Z5 is already running mm, flashed it and now rooted and bl unlocked so not concerned about warranty. I have found it near impossible to brick these things lol, just not sure how to remove all the apps that TheTecXpert did, Wether it was done with programming or something as simple as root Explorer(if so what directory)

smiley.raver said:
TheTecXpert or any of the others, forgive me for my ignorance or stupidity lol, but rather new to playing with my phone, I have always rooted my Sony's mainly for custom roms to get extra options etc, but now looking to expand my horizons.
I'm not a complete newly to programming (have done my share 13 years ago) lol but also have a fairly I.T knowledgeable background.
Are you able to explain or advise or point to another thread that explains how you removed all the excess system apps etc (yes I have looked but usually at work with limited Time)
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Hey, I usually just use ADB to get rid of apps I don't want/need. The ADB shell commands are very similar to *nix commands.

theprince1991 said:
Hey, I usually just use ADB to get rid of apps I don't want/need. The ADB shell commands are very similar to *nix commands.
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@smiley.raver
The simplest way that I went about removing all the excessive apps/bloatware was by using a program from the google play store called "System App Safe Remover" or "System App Uninstaller", anything that gives you direct access to ROOT SYSTEM APPS.. You can use ADB, for but for those not completely technically savvy in the "Command Shell" I would highly recommend not using ADB..
Anyway, Once you launch the APP (of your choice) , you will be in a menu with ALL APPS that you can remove.. they will be in categories and alphabetical order.. the App will specif things like "could remove", "should keep", "Key Module" etc etc...
From there you can just uninstall all the crap that is not need and anything else you dont want.. In an earlier post I have a long list of APPS and modules that I removed from my phone which gave me an OVERALL stable, clean, fast and Battery Life improvement on the device.. I'm happy with it.. And Warranty is never an Issue for me since i've always rooted ALL of my Sony Xperia devices and have never had any issues with them..
But everyone is different and has their own preferences on how they do things ..

TheTecXpert said:
@smiley.raver
The simplest way that I went about removing all the excessive apps/bloatware was by using a program from the google play store called "System App Safe Remover" or "System App Uninstaller", anything that gives you direct access to ROOT SYSTEM APPS.. You can use ADB, for but for those not completely technically savvy in the "Command Shell" I would highly recommend not using ADB..
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Dude nice find! Thanks WAY more convenient than ADB :good::good::good:

theprince1991 said:
Dude nice find! Thanks WAY more convenient than ADB :good::good::good:
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No worries bro. Any time [emoji6]
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Hy!
So,i have a z5 dual e6683 marshmallow
What imei should i use to unlock bloader?
After that,what guide do i follow to root it ?

thedude90 said:
Hy!
So,i have a z5 dual e6683 marshmallow
What imei should i use to unlock bloader?
After that,what guide do i follow to root it ?
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You need to supply your device's imei which is located in Settings>About phone.. Pretty straight forward bro.
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Dangers of rooting

Hi,
I just bought a Oneplus 6 256gb version and now I'm thinking about rooting it for the likes of adaway and lucky patcher.
But what exactly are the dangers? I researched quite a while but I'm still not sure if it's safe enough. I am only planning on rooting, so no custom rom. So a few questions here:
1. Can I still update Oxygen OS after root? Would I need to reinstall Magisk (root) if yes?
2. Is it really that unsafe to use banking apps with a rooted device?
3. Anything else that affects a phone with root in a negative way?
I have rooted my old galaxy s5 quite a bit, so I know how to not brick my phone. So, yes, I know I could potentially brick it if somethings goes wrong.
Thanks for the help.
Elekted

You can update while rooted but you will have to reflash the Magisk zip as the new update will install the stock boot.img and Magisk patches the boot image. So with a stock boot image, you will need to flash Magisk again for root.
On the banking apps, yes. I do not use banking apps on my phone, but I use Android pay. The reason being, is I have a friend that works for Chase Bank in the fraud department for mobile devices. He said the risk is when you are adding a credit card to the Android app, never in using the app to make a payment as they generate a token for the specific amount of that transaction and they use a ID and not your credit card number in the transaction.
And nothing will affect your phone negatively unless you do something to cause the issue. It's virtually always user error. Know what you're doing and if your new to modding, don't be a guinea pig or early adopter. Let others who know what they are doing and report on what works and doesn't. That's the best advice I can give you.

1. You can upgrade your Oxygen OS but u will lost your root Xposed etc.
2. If you know all application installed in your phone and you know who published it, then it will be safe (don't install such like *Free Minecraft Giveaways* lol)
3 .Oneplus is NOT Samsung. Unlock and root your phone will not cause permanent negative effects.

Another thing to be aware of is that unlocking the bootloader (not the rooting) will cause your devices widevine security level to go down. This means netflix/amazon video will be limited non HD resolution. You can still cast the video to your tv at HD or higher resolution though.

Does this also affect youtube and all other streaming devices or just amazone prime and netflix?

@Eric214 thank you for the quick response. With negative effects i was thinking battery, security or other issues. Or how peltus mentioned the issue with widevine. Are there any other apps i can't use anymore after root or limitations?

peltus said:
Another thing to be aware of is that unlocking the bootloader (not the rooting) will cause your devices widevine security level to go down. This means netflix/amazon video will be limited non HD resolution. You can still cast the video to your tv at HD or higher resolution though.
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I assume that's to try to prevent people from ripping data from a video stream and pirating/distributing it?
That's why I only bought netflix with the intention to use it on my TV when I'm bored of all the stuff I've downloaded on my computer lolol

Elekted said:
@Eric214 thank you for the quick response. With negative effects i was thinking battery, security or other issues. Or how peltus mentioned the issue with widevine. Are there any other apps i can't use anymore after root or limitations?
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You can use Android pay with Magisk but if you install Xposed, you will fail safety checks

1.
It's really easy with A/B... You install the update, automatic or manual via the system updater. Then BEFORE rebooting, you install Magisk again to the inactive slot. Reboot, that's it. I never had such easy updates before.
2.
When rooting a phone, you usually read the details and how all this works. You keep your phone up to date. Every app requesting root rights needs your confirmation. Look before acknowledging and use reliable sources especially for apps requiring root. But with root, you can use an adblocker, a low level firewall, a good backup software and more to keep yourself away from risky content behind banners.
3.
You can relock the bootloader and flash the stock image and the phone is in its original state.
Beside that, if you do not use Xposed, with Magisk Hide I did yet not find an app which refused to work on my phone. Also Android Pay does work.

akxak said:
1.
It's really easy with A/B... You install the update, automatic or manual via the system updater. Then BEFORE rebooting, you install Magisk again to the inactive slot. Reboot, that's it. I never had such easy updates before.
2.
When rooting a phone, you usually read the details and how all this works. You keep your phone up to date. Every app requesting root rights needs your confirmation. Look before acknowledging and use reliable sources especially for apps requiring root. But with root, you can use an adblocker, a low level firewall, a good backup software and more to keep yourself away from risky content behind banners.
3.
You can relock the bootloader and flash the stock image and the phone is in its original state.
Beside that, if you do not use Xposed, with Magisk Hide I did yet not find an app which refused to work on my phone. Also Android Pay does work.
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Thank you that i exactly what i wanted to know. Guess im going to root my oneplus then.

This phone seems pretty brick-resistant. Lots of people getting into bootloops, but fixes are easy. I haven't seen a single hard-brick yet.
OP provides a tool for getting out of major errors, and it seems to work well.

iElvis said:
This phone seems pretty brick-resistant. Lots of people getting into bootloops, but fixes are easy. I haven't seen a single hard-brick yet.
OP provides a tool for getting out of major errors, and it seems to work well.
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What tool is that?

Elekted said:
What tool is that?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6/how-to/tool-msmdownloadtool-v4-0-international-t3798892
I have not used it, but many people have reported good results.

iElvis said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6/how-to/tool-msmdownloadtool-v4-0-international-t3798892
I have not used it, but many people have reported good results.
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Thanks, nice to have that in case thing goes wrong.

What are the bare essentials I need so the S8+ runs with no hiccups?

Hi. I was carefully in ADB cutting bloatware this morning and while it looked fine, after restarting I'm getting a "still loading android" message on home screen. I can still access settings, and get to the play store and open apps that way, so it's no more than an inconvenience but...I'd like to have my full functionality back since clearly there's one thing I nuked that was a system needed file but didn't look like one.
I'm not comfortable rooting and maybe getting stuck with an $800 brick, so please keep suggestions limited to ADB modifications, yes I know they will still be in system partition but they will save on ram and battery usage at least. I'm planning to factory wipe to get my necessary files back, then would like a step by step what to kill from there.
I'm somewhat knowledgeable, know of Fdroid and sideloading APKs, and I know you don't need Google Play Services with that kind of knowledge.
Thanks in advance for your help!!

Instead of adb uninstalling you should have tried a package disabler... so if u disable something wrong you can still enable it. I m using package disabler pro and i have to say that my s8+ has reached somehow the perfection i needed. Very good battery life, very good performance.

Gogolakis said:
Instead of adb uninstalling you should have tried a package disabler... so if u disable something wrong you can still enable it. I m using package disabler pro and i have to say that my s8+ has reached somehow the perfection i needed. Very good battery life, very good performance.
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Isn't this a paid service? And requires root? I can keep this in mind if I need to wipe anyway at least, if it doesn't require root.
There's no way to find out which one caused the issue then, is there?

Don't know if this thread may be of some use to you.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/s8-debloat-bloatware-thread-t3669009/page4

spawnlives said:
Don't know if this thread may be of some use to you.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/s8-debloat-bloatware-thread-t3669009/page4
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Yes, thank you, that is the one I saw that encouraged me to undertake this process.

3drinks said:
Yes, thank you, that is the one I saw that encouraged me to undertake this process.
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I don't think there is a definitive debloat list as everyone uses there phone for different reasons.
Might be a case of trial and error. As for debloat apps there are a few on playstore and could be useful as a reference on what they might recommend to remove.

spawnlives said:
I don't think there is a definitive debloat list as everyone uses there phone for different reasons.
Might be a case of trial and error. As for debloat apps there are a few on playstore and could be useful as a reference on what they might recommend to remove.
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My definition being "anything that is not a requirement to keep the system running normally and optimally." Ideally any extraneous apps would be FOSS if possible.

While browsing another thread here, I fixed my current issue. Apparently I deleted my launcher by mistake and when I installed an Oreo launcher from play store, the error on my home screen went away. Hooray for unexpected fixes.
And lol at me almost factory wiping because of this now (I'll laugh at this in a year I'm sure.)

3drinks said:
Isn't this a paid service? And requires root? I can keep this in mind if I need to wipe anyway at least, if it doesn't require root.
There's no way to find out which one caused the issue then, is there?
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Its like 3 dolars or something in google play. It doesn.t require root acces

All in all without root I freed up to 2k MB of ram and got the HD to 18/64 GB. I'm pretty proud of myself.

General Post of root mods that are working in Android 13

I going to put in a list of apps or mods I've tested so far on my P7P that are fully working and in daily use.
Please feel free to add yours if you have any but only if you've actually tested them yourself and found no issues to date.
So far I'm running/have run without issue
Magisk
Safetynet-fix thanks to @Displax
Hotello themer core
BlockADs
Themer
Repainter
Aosp mods
Lsposed
Substratum

How about xprivacylua?

Beefheart said:
How about xprivacylua?
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I've not tried that one. What does it do?

Bxperiaz3 said:
I've not tried that one. What does it do?
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It allows you to fake details. For example location. So apps that don't work unless you allow them location access think you're somewhere else. But it covers all permissions you can give. This is provided on an app by app basis.

What is hotello themer? Tried googling it, nothing popping up

Pain-N-Panic said:
What is hotello themer? Tried googling it, nothing popping up
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Project Themer · Android 12⁺ - Apps on Google Play
Customize your Android!
play.google.com

Magisk working, but only V24 and higher.
also, yoi can't to edit build.prop. is RO, also all the system partition is RW.
i tested it on the Google GSI - AOSP BETA2

I've been using AdAway for years. I see blockads mentioned here. How is that compared to AdAway? How about other alternatives?

sam2c said:
I've been using AdAway for years. I see blockads mentioned here. How is that compared to AdAway? How about other alternatives?
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I believe blockADS uses VPN ad blocking instead of systemless hosts like AdAway. I'm a fan of AdAway and still use it.

Pain-N-Panic said:
I believe blockADS uses VPN ad blocking instead of systemless hosts like AdAway. I'm a fan of AdAway and still use it.
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Thanks for explaining the difference. I would assume the VPN would use more resources and battery?

sam2c said:
Thanks for explaining the difference. I would assume the VPN would use more resources and battery?
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Yes, but it's negligible. Rootless adblocking and/or firewall can only really be done with a VPN. I strongly recommend Netguard from the same author as Xprivacylua. This combines both a rootless firewall and adblock in one and has a fantastic interface. There is a free and donation version.
GitHub - M66B/NetGuard: A simple way to block access to the internet per app
A simple way to block access to the internet per app - GitHub - M66B/NetGuard: A simple way to block access to the internet per app
github.com

It wouldn't be a bad idea to run both on a wifi connection and switch off the VPN blocker when running off of data only to help save a little battery.

I run XPrivacyLua (and Pro) just fine.
Also:
AOSP Mods (lots of customization not available elsewhere)
AdAway
Battery Charge Limit (to limit charging to only between 84-89%)
Lucky Patcher
Solid Explorer (I've preferred SE for years due to dual-screen in landscape mode)
Substratum & Substratum Lite (some themes refuse to work with one or the other)
Swift Backup (best backup since Ti)
For blocking ads, I paid for AdGuard a couple years ago, in conjunction with AdAway and limits set in XPrivacyLua, I see ZERO ads, plus AdGuard works with other platforms too, so I've got it running on a couple of my PCs as well. It's not a root app, but I've never had a battery drain from it. It does show that it's often awake, but that's because it's working - it's not actually taking up battery.

Psychlone said:
I run XPrivacyLua (and Pro) just fine.
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Where is the "official" link to these nowadays? Does this stop Google from spying on us quote so much? I'm very interested seeing as I'll have the oligarchs' phone. I love their product. Too bad they're using it against us!
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Also:
AOSP Mods (lots of customization not available elsewhere)
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Can you elaborate? I'm really interested in deciding if the pain of rooting is worth it. I'm still on A10 on my p2xl because I didn't wanna deal with the pain of the big update to a11.
Psychlone said:
AdAway
Battery Charge Limit (to limit charging to only between 84-89%)
Lucky Patcher
Solid Explorer (I've preferred SE for years due to dual-screen in landscape mode)
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I'm guessing you're using SE to modify files for your aosp mods?
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Substratum & Substratum Lite (some themes refuse to work with one or the other)
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is substratum lite the non-root version? Substratum swift black is something that really urges me to root.
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Swift Backup (best backup since Ti)
For blocking ads, I paid for AdGuard a couple years ago, in conjunction with AdAway and limits set in XPrivacyLua, I see ZERO ads, plus AdGuard
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Without installing the app I'm having a hard time seeing what Adguard costs. I don't see the cost listed in the description in play store. Is it a subscription cost or one time fee? What is the cost?

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Battery Charge Limit (to limit charging to only between 84-89%)
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I'd like to confirm a couple of things about this comment. You're running it on a Pro 7, yes? I used this app on my OnePlus 7T for years--and loved it. It never worked on my P6, and doesn't actually limit charging on my P7P. It installs, opens, and runs--but charges past the (80%) limit I set.
Does it actually limit charging on your P7P?

Schroeder09 said:
Where is the "official" link to these nowadays? Does this stop Google from spying on us quote so much? I'm very interested seeing as I'll have the oligarchs' phone. I love their product. Too bad they're using it against us!
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Always Github for official stuff: https://github.com/M66B/XPrivacyLua
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Can you elaborate? I'm really interested in deciding if the pain of rooting is worth it. I'm still on A10 on my p2xl because I didn't wanna deal with the pain of the big update to a11.
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XPrivacyLua is just like the old AppOps application that allows you FULL control over what an app does. Read what it does, I'm sure they can explain it better than I can, suffice it to say that I use it to block google, tiktok and tumblr. I don't use Facebook, Instagram or any other social media on my phone or they would be in that list too.
You can spoof your location, IMEI, MEID, your phone number, etc and even randomize them every time your phone reboots - that way, whatever app you've run through XPrivacyLua is getting garbage info about you. You can't just wontonly shut everything down - things will quit working pretty quickly if you tun off the wrong things, and its all trial and error - but it's easy to back out and fix.
Schroeder09 said:
I'm guessing you're using SE to modify files for your aosp mods?
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I use it to change things like my battery icon, combine the signal icons, force the 4G icon because it's a little smaller than the LTE icon, change the QS panel, lock screen, etc. There are LOTS of functions that this makes available.
Schroeder09 said:
is substratum lite the non-root version? Substratum swift black is something that really urges me to root.
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No, the Substratum I have always used asks for root permission. I've found that some themes refuse to install or don't work properly in the regular Substratum so I use Substratum Lite too.
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Without installing the app I'm having a hard time seeing what Adguard costs. I don't see the cost listed in the description in play store. Is it a subscription cost or one time fee? What is the cost?
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You can't buy AdGuard through the Google Play store, you have to buy it straight from AdGuard. Since it circumvents most of Google's ability to throw ads at you, Google doesn't allow you to just buy it through them.
https://adguard.com/en/welcome.html
I bought the family lifetime license for 9 devices for $170. I tried it out for a few months and then decided this app is good enough to pay for. They do offer monthly subscription for 3 devices for $3/month. I would suggest running a trial on your phone and your computer for a little bit just to see what it can do for you, if you like it, buy it. For me it works wonders, I DETEST ads and with my combination of settings, AdGuard, AdAway and XPrivacyLua, I don't see any at all.
Well, that's not totally true, I see ads in Tumblr, but I haven't really tried to mess with it much as I'm not on it enough to really care about an ad once in a while.
I'd like to confirm a couple of things about this comment. You're running it on a Pro 7, yes? I used this app on my OnePlus 7T for years--and loved it. It never worked on my P6, and doesn't actually limit charging on my P7P. It installs, opens, and runs--but charges past the (80%) limit I set.
Does it actually limit charging on your P7P?
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Well, that's a really great question. I only installed it recently and have no experience with the app, so I figured that when it charges to 89% that it says it's 100% full, do you know what I mean? -- I thought that when I set 89, that became the new 100. I see it say "100%" in battery stats but I haven't used a battery app to track what it's actually doing. I just figured that since it's supposed to control the battery control config, that that's what it's doing...
If it hasn't changed any values for the battery, how would I know?

Psychlone said:
Well, that's a really great question. I only installed it recently and have no experience with the app, so I figured that when it charges to 89% that it says it's 100% full, do you know what I mean? -- I thought that when I set 89, that became the new 100. I see it say "100%" in battery stats but I haven't used a battery app to track what it's actually doing. I just figured that since it's supposed to control the battery control config, that that's what it's doing...
If it hasn't changed any values for the battery, how would I know?
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I don't think it's working for you, and it sounds like you're misunderstanding how it works?
On my OnePlus 7T, charging literally stopped when the battery hit (in my case) 80% full. If you wanted to, you could turn off the app (or raise the limit) and it would keep charging to the new setting (or 100% if you so chose).

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I don't think it's working for you, and it sounds like you're misunderstanding how it works?
On my OnePlus 7T, charging literally stopped when the battery hit (in my case) 80% full. If you wanted to, you could turn off the app (or raise the limit) and it would keep charging to the new setting (or 100% if you so chose).
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You're probably right, if I set 89 and it shows 100 at full charge, then it sounds like it's not working.
I didn't know how it worked but I came up with the idea that if I set a number as the top limit, that the new number becomes the new 100%. If that's not how it works, then it's not working.

I have installed aospmods but most of the features do not work.
How can I get it to work?

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I have installed aospmods but most of the features do not work.
How can I get it to work?
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It's okay to post in this thread that it's not working for you (although it is working for others), but please only post about the same problem in a single place. Continue your discussion where you posted in the AOSP Mods thread:
[MOD][Xposed+Magisk][13 Compatible] AOSP Mods - System modifications for AOSP-based Android 12+
This is a mixed Xposed+Magisk module, which is made to allow customizations that are not originally designed in AOSP (Android Open Source Project). Features: Currently, AOSP Mods offers customizations on different aspects of system framework and...
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Question Any real reason to use roms over stock?

Most people seem fairly happy with the stock pixel user experience, after all a main reason we purchase pixels is because of it's software.
in your experience, is there any benefit to any of the currently available custom roms that would increase performance and battery? I mean something bigger than just customisability and tinkering

I've been debating this too. I haven't rooted a device in 4 years. No real reason to anymore. I'm on the fence because I'm hoping for a true blackout theme and better animation transitions on a custom rom. Haven't pulled the trigger yet.

Performance, efficiency, and control over fast more than what Google chooses to provide.

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Performance, efficiency, and control over fast more than what Google chooses to provide.
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What roms are you referring to?

It has been scientifically proven that running custom kernels and/or roms helps to minimize E.D.
Mainly battery life. I have to charge my phone once every 1-1.5 weeks or so, vs every or every other day like most people.
*Keeping the screen brightness only as bright as you need it (i.e. not ecessively set or maxxed out--I keep mine around 1/4 maybe touch more, on the brightness slider.

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I have to charge my phone once every 1-1.5 weeks or so
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Bruh, do you even use your phone at all? What ROM makes such a huge difference for your use to extend your battery life from 1 day to over 7 days?

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Literally any?
GrapheneOS gets rid of all Google Services, thus (and overall) it's a lot more privacy-focused.
Performance isn't a huge issue on Pixel devices (imo), because the ROM they come with isn't super bloated, but you can always just use LineageOS, or any other barebones ROM if you don't need any fancy features, only sleek (slick?) performance.
I have always been a fan of ResurrectionRemix/crDroid, which are filled with TONS of features. Sure, depending on who you are, you might not care for most/some of them (double tapping on statusbar to lock the screen, changing the animation of quick settings tiles when you tap on them, blinking the flashlight when you receive a call, and many, many other small things).
Nowadays, even ROMs like this aren't hogging up your performance or ruin your battery life.
Besides flashing custom ROMs, rooting is still useful for me.
Yeah, getting SafetyNet to pass can be a bit of a hassle, but in exchange I get to use ACC to prolong my battery's health, I can get rid of the navbar pill, and I can use an lsposed module to disable secure flag in my transportation app, so I can take a screenshot of my ticket (should the inspector come when there's no cellular connection (and the app doesn't properly cache the ticket, because of great programming )).
None of these are deal-breakers, but as long as there's still an option for doing these, I wouldn't want to miss out.

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in your experience, is there any benefit to any of the currently available custom roms that would increase performance and battery? I mean something bigger than just customisability and tinkering
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Battery life and performance is pretty good as is. The stock rom on Pixels isn't super bloated, so it's not like it has much of an effect on battery or the performance of your phone. With the stock kernel I lost about 0.6% of battery every hour overnight, with MVK kernel that number got reduced to about 0.4%. Does it make a difference? Not at all.
I guess you could root and use a kernel manager to downclock the CPU to gain some extra SoT, but that's about it. If you're not much of a tinkerer, and content with your current setup, there's no real reason to switch to something else.

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Bruh, do you even use your phone at all? What ROM makes such a huge difference for your use to extend your battery life from 1 day to over 7 days?
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Not really. I have no friends. <s>
I'll use it outside/on road but even then, phone conversations and internet browsing is not very much. Here and there, etc. Mostly texts or instant msgs.But calls here and there. I have it set to charge max 75% and will recharge when it gets to around 20%. Running LineageOS w/ the kernel it comes with it. Nothing fancy. I don't use any social media app (or social media or that matter), so I don't have to worry about that stuff draining the battery. WiFI and/or VPN will so I tend to keep them turned off until I need them. If I used phone more regularly, I could see myself having to recharge it maybe every 3-4 days maybe, I dunno.

Battery life can actually be worse on custom ROMs that do not have Google Play Services. When an app uses Play Svcs to handle push notifications, things like notification pushes get are managed and batched together by Play Services. If a phone does not have Play Svcs, apps that use cloud notifications may have to register their own persistent polling services which can chew up battery. And then you have to disable battery optimization for that app so it doesn't get dozed.
I've at least heard anecdotal evidence that battery life suffers on GrapheneOS because of this. Say, if you have an email client and messaging apps that require a persistent polling service to look for new messages.
Nowadays when I look up reasons to use ROMs or root, I get annoyed when articles list modules or features that serve to fix the issues that the act of making these changes cause (eg- hide root from other apps, force apps to doze, magisk bootloop saver, etc). I mean now you're spending the time managing the problem you've created for yourself. It's silly. Unless there are practical reasons to customize, I see no compelling reason to do so.

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Battery life can actually be worse on custom ROMs that do not have Google Play Services. When an app uses Play Svcs to handle push notifications, things like notification pushes get are managed and batched together by Play Services. If a phone does not have Play Svcs, apps that use cloud notifications may have to register their own persistent polling services which can chew up battery. And then you have to disable battery optimization for that app so it doesn't get dozed.
I've at least heard anecdotal evidence that battery life suffers on GrapheneOS because of this. Say, if you have an email client and messaging apps that require a persistent polling service to look for new messages.
Nowadays when I look up reasons to use ROMs or root, I get annoyed when articles list modules or features that serve to fix the issues that the act of making these changes cause (eg- hide root from other apps, force apps to doze, magisk bootloop saver, etc). I mean now you're spending the time managing the problem you've created for yourself. It's silly. Unless there are practical reasons to customize, I see no compelling reason to do so.
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Very well said. I've been thinking the same. Google does there optimizations pretty well and they have given even more options to even tinker with a lil more effecient as per your need. There's no need to go out of the way replace the whole rom. even if you do you should have a very good reason and it should have some very noticable difference that can be seen to any one... Though i always have a soft corner for the modding community. Because of their push oems are stepping up their game.

Interesting. I do have Gapps installed and regarding polling the servers, while I myself haven't had battery drain, I can definitely attest to custom roms possibly messing with polling. On my old M8 (which also had Lineage), if the phone was on standby for a long time, I would not get ANY text or IMs unless I turned on the screen, THEN I'd get a bunch of messages. Or even if the phone was on, I would have to send a text message to myself and then I'd get a bunch back from people. So, yes at least on that phone there was serious polling issues I opened myself up with.
Currently I am on the newer phone(s), which I don't experience those issues, but you are absolutely right about them.

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if the phone was on standby for a long time, I would not get ANY text or IMs unless I turned on the screen, THEN I'd get a bunch of messages.
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I've also experienced that issue on my 3T running.. any custom ROM, basically. I think it's mostly fixed on newer ROMs though. YMMV.

Radjah2001 said:
Most people seem fairly happy with the stock pixel user experience, after all a main reason we purchase pixels is because of it's software.
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Speak for yourself. I bought pixel for the HARDWARE, and specifically the fact that it isn't crippled (locked) and is properly supported in AOSP. The factory prebuilt software is utter trash with one purpose and one purpose ONLY: To track everything you do.
In order to safely use the hardware, it is NECESSARY to wipe the spyware from it. Either build AOSP from source yourself, or use a security focused distribution like GrapheneOS.

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Besides flashing custom ROMs, rooting is still useful for me.
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Add possibly Viper4Android on A13 some day and its perfect.
Safetynet / play integrity & hide root is pretty easy on stock, but did you have success on custom Roms?
My banking app doesnt even rely on Safetynet / play integrity and checks for root itself, but shamiko takes care of that, but I suspect it would detect a custom Rom and refuse to work.
An entire Rom would probably much harder to hide than just root.

G5-User7080 said:
Add possibly Viper4Android
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Never really saw the need/use for v4a.
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Safetynet / play integrity & hide root is pretty easy on stock, but did you have success on custom Roms?
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Sure. Never had issues. Besides adding my banking apps to the DenyList, I also had to hide the Magisk app. What I've found is that some apps may look for the Magisk app being installed on your device (you don't even necessarily need to be rooted, just have Magisk installed).

Love the warped perspective a few posts up. Reminder to all on the risks of oxygen deprivation at birth

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Never really saw the need/use for v4a.
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I really hope someone finds out how to make it work on A13 soon, luckily my music app has an eq so its not like it sounds bad, but what I mostly miss is replay gain ig, when I'm outside music with a wider dynamic range is a bit of a problem, the quieter parts just drown in the outside noise.
Sure. Never had issues. Besides adding my banking apps to the DenyList, I also had to hide the Magisk app. What I've found is that some apps may look for the Magisk app being installed on your device (you don't even necessarily need to be rooted, just have Magisk installed).
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yes, mine do, hideMyApplist takes care of that, for some reason when I hide magisk App, it gets picket up by AppListDetector (well not by my banking app at least).
I kinda wanna try a custom ROM but flashing an entire new ROM is a lot scarier than just rooting stock, like some apps might not be working cause they rely on google services etc, maybe when I buy a new phone in a few years and this one doesnt get updates anymore I could try that.

DB126 said:
Love the warped perspective a few posts up. Reminder to all on the risks of oxygen deprivation at birth
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With all the scandals involving big tech all the time, do you really wonder why people distrust google & co?
In the end it's probably never as bad as you fear and never as good as you hope.
A13 has some nice privacy protecting features built in, like Android System Intelligence all happens on device, then again, gboard, google app, etc don't, ig u get a little bit of everything.
You can never be completely private, and for that reason some of my friends say "Well then it doesn't matter anyway, just know everything about me idc" and some others be like "ill just stop using all their services alltogether"
In the end everyone can do what they want cant they?

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um, so?
Even if the ROM of your choice doesn't come with GApps preinstalled, you can always just sideload MindTheGapps.