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Hello,
I’m going to step across the NDAs and explain the issues behind the Android Froyo update to Samsung Galaxy S phones in the United States. I think most of you have come to this realization yourself now: the withholding of the Froyo update is a largely political one, not a technological one: Froyo runs quite well on Galaxy S phones, as those of you that have run leaked updates may have noticed.
To explain the political situation, first, a primer on how phone firmware upgrades work for carriers. When a carrier decides to sell a phone, a contract is usually written between the phone manufacturer and the carrier. In this contract, the cost of updates (to the carrier) is usually outlined. Updates are usually broken into several types: critical updates, maintenance updates, and feature updates. Critical updates are those that resolve a critical bug in the phone, such as the phone overheating. Maintenance updates involve routine updates to resolve bugs and other issues reported by the carrier. Finally, feature updates add some new feature in software that wasn’t present before. Critical updates are usually free, maintenance updates have some maintenance fee associated with them, and feature updates are usually costly.
In the past, most phone updates would mainly consist of critical and maintenance updates. Carriers almost never want to incur the cost of a feature update because it is of little benefit to them, adds little to the device, and involves a lot of testing on the carrier end. Android has changed the playing field, however – since the Android Open Source Project is constantly being updated, and that information being made widely available to the public, there is pressure for the phone to be constantly updated with the latest version of Android. With most manufacturers, such as HTC, Motorola, etc. This is fine and considered a maintenance upgrade. Samsung, however, considers it a feature update, and requires carriers to pay a per device update fee for each incremental Android update.
Now, here’s where the politics come in: most U.S. carriers aren’t very happy with Samsung’s decision to charge for Android updates as feature updates, especially since they are essentially charging for the Android Open Source Project’s efforts, and the effort on Samsung’s end is rather minimal. As a result of perhaps, corporate collusion, all U.S. carriers have decided to refuse to pay for the Android 2.2 update, in hopes that the devaluation of the Galaxy S line will cause Samsung to drop their fees and give the update to the carriers. The situation has panned out differently in other parts of the world, but this is the situation in the United States.
Some of you might have noticed Verion’s Fascinate updated, but without 2.2 : This is a result of a maintenance agreement Samsung must honor combined with Verizon’s unwillingness to pay the update fees.
In short, Android 2.2 is on hold for Galaxy S phones until the U.S. carriers and Samsung reach a consensus.
Some might wonder why I didn’t deliver this over a more legitimate news channel – the short answer: I don’t want to lose my job. I do, however, appreciate transparency, which is why I'm here.
Interesting.. thank you for that
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this has been an issue since the Samsung Omnia (SGH-i900) came out. Promises of updates to no avail. No updates, just do it yourself!
Finally something that makes sense to me. I do have 2.2 on my phone thanks to the folks here on XDA.
I work for Sprint at a service and repair store. We had a memo that the Epic was suppose to get Froyo on Dec 26th, but that they pulled it because it bricked half their test phones and needed more work. I do know that the Intercept had an official update go out for Froyo that bricked roughly 10% of customer's phones and we were instructed to put them back on 2.1, I do know someone who has a legitimate carrier copy of Froyo on their Intercept, its not a Galaxy phone but its still Samsung. What you're saying Samsung is doing(which sounds right/true) is pretty petty. HTC released an update to Froyo for the Evo about 2 weeks after the phone launched. That's what manufacturers should do IMO.
In regards to the Epic, i'd like to remind people that originally, it was marketed as having 2.2. Then, closer to release, they changed it to 2.1 "with 2.2 coming soon after." Well, "soon after" has come and gone.
I bought the Epic partly because it suited me better than the Evo, but also because of 2.2. I knew that i would have a current version running. Froyo was part of the basis of my bargain. At this point I'm fed up with samsung. We've been getting teased with 2.2 almost every month for literally 5 months now, and at least for 1-2 months prior to the phone being released (which makes it upwards of 6 months). It is ridiculous.
People who have this phone should just return it when something new comes out. Samsung has breached their promise. Im sure there will be people here who will comment about the fact that you can always root your phone or that they are happy with eclair; that's fine. I bought this phone with the assumption it would perform on par with 2.2, and not have any annoying lags and bugs.
If everyone complains and ditches boycotts samsung phones, then maybe they will change their ways. From everything i have ever read, i never see anyone mention the fact that samsung marketed this device as having 2.2 and subsequently, promising it within a short period of time.
Just my .2 cents
This is one major reason that I am contemplating trading my Epic out for an Evo, I am tired of Sammy's bull****.
I am realizing that even though it is a good phone, it will soon be "out of date" with the lack of support from every one.
All this is bull****. Us cell carriers suck.
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personally after owning a moment i will never own a samsung phone again. thank got i got an evo shift
Interesting. Kinda contradicts with Samsung's marketing agenda during launch of the Galaxy S line in the States. During the launch event in NYC it was clearly stated by Samsung that all variants of Galaxy S line will receive Froyo firmware update, no where it was mentioned that if you are on a US carrier the device upgrade will be subject to terms and conditions set between the manufacturer and the carriers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf3uGTAeQy4
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I think it's pretty god damn egregious that they'd charge large sums of money for code thats open source and freely available. I'd also think it has to be against some sort of law or license.
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I think it's pretty god damn egregious that they'd charge large sums of money for code thats open source and freely available. I'd also think it has to be against some sort of law or license.
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Disclaimer: I am not defending Samsung. Upgrading an embedded platform (regardless is the software is open source or not) is an extensive process that takes the time of engineers and testers...so it does cost Samsung money. I think the argument that just because Android is open source, Samsung has no reason to charge carriers for updates is off-base. This type of R&D cost money....maybe not a whole bunch, but some investment dollars are still allocated.
With that said, if Samsung led the public to believe that US Galaxy S devices would be upgraded to Android 2.2, then they need to absolutely hold up their end of the bargain. A lot of these corporate types lack long-term thinking. Samsung could begin to build a good fanbase if they pickup the slack in the customer support department by providing timely upgrades, fixes, and other types of support. This fanbase will continue to buy their products and recommend others to do so. This is why Apple consistently ranks highest customer satisfaction, they provide software support for their products for at least a year, mostly two.
At this point, their public image (in my eyes) has taken a dive. I own the Captivate, a Samsung monitor, and digital camera. But these will be my last three Samsung products forever and I will not recommend any others Samsung products.
Great post. Makes me dislike Samsung even more now!
Thanks for bringing this side of the story to light, and risking your job to do so. If this story holds any bearing, Samsung is an entirely terrible company who hold zero care for their customers. They are only concerned with profits and pushing out new products instead of making their current customers happy and possibly turning them into repeat customers. Pitiful.
Great OP, which leads to three comments / thoughts.
First, if a carrier, such as T-Mobile USA decided to carry the rumored Vibrant 4G, this would suggest that either 1) they have renegotiated their contract with Samsung or 2) that they don't care about their customer base - given what their existing Vibrant customers have experienced. We will know, in due course, what path T-Mobile USA has chosen to walk.
Second, it sounds like the iPhone has an advantage over Android based products because Apple is in a position to update the operating system without involving the carrier. If this is the case, then financially, one would expect carriers to start pushing the iPhone to their customers. I don't see this happening yet as many carriers have really built up their Android lines. But it will be interesting to see what happens now that other carrier(s) start to carry the iPhone.
Third, it seems like this is an area where Google really needs to step in and set expectations - with carriers, manufacturers, and consumers. Right now, we are witnessing a growing dissatisfaction with Samsung. However a recent report showed that the best manufacturer for pushing updates - HTC - only had a 50% track record. Consumers, who are locked into a 2 year contract, will grow frustrated if their only means of getting the latest operating system (including some "non-critical" bug fixes) is to purchase another phone at full price. This will affect how Android and Google are perceived.
Seriously, why do we need to keep telling people this:
Never
Ever
Ever
Buy a phone for promised future updates.
You buy it for what it can do now, if it can't do that, then you have zero right to complain when it doesn't.
Yet in all seriousness, what does it matter to anyone on this forum? We all have the capabilities to upgrade our devices to the latest roms. Yes, pushed out updates give us updated drivers, packages and all around system fixes, but seriously guys, even with a N1 I don't even wait for OTAs.
OP, can you maybe link to some official documentation on this? Not that I doubt you for a second, but putting out some dox would light a serious fire under Samsung's ass...
So does this have anything to do with the fact that AT&T was/is(?) dumping the Captivate on the marketplace?
Last July, it was giving away Captivates. I have heard rumors that some folks are STILL able to procure free Captivates.
Is this the beginning of a falling out between Samsung and AT&T?
Awesome, thanks for the news. This article explains a lot but on a different note, I'm not sure about "effort on Samsung’s end is rather minimal" is 100% accurate. Have you seen how crazy TouchWiz is integrated into stock Android OS, it is pretty ridiculous when comparing to to Motorola's Moto Blur...
No update - No problem
No worries. The lack of update to Froyo forced my hand. I found the wonderful world of XDA and also taught myself how to choose custom ROMs, tweak features, and remove Sprint bloatware that I never wanted anyway.
So this little spat of theirs has actually provided great benefit to me. I've learned how to customize my phone and I've learned that Samsung is a ****ing nitwit of a company. The Galaxy S is my first and last Samsung phone. I'm very happy with it, currently, with my custom ROM. However, when the time for an upgrade comes, so long Sammy.
I hope your extra fees for open source software covers your future losses from me and others jumping ship.
Oh wait, no I don't.
In my sadness of downgrading back to froyo, I asked HTC when their official release of gb would be out and got this email:
Dear Matthew,
Thank you Matthew for contacting HTC Technical Support. We are excited to announce that HTC Thunderbolt will receive the Gingerbread (Android 2.3) update in Summer 2011.
Our goal is to give every customer the best possible experience on every phone. Every HTC phone is a combination of a unique HTC hardware and software experience and a core operating system. We only update our phones if it will provide an overall improved user experience as we balance features, performance and usability. Stay tuned for details as we get closer to the update availability.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number xxxxxxxxxxxx.
Sincerely,
Charles
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Unfortunately, Summer 2011 means anything between April and September.
why can't google make something like where you download os update separate from vendors? so you can update your phone to latest without bringing in useless vendor who only if something slows things down?!
thats what they said before the phone was launched, initially it was june, it might happen since we already had a leak that was pretty stable other than the radio and camera app, so keep your fingers crossed. I am thinking at the end of june.
Free wireless hotspot promo ends June 15 and VZW already said it would be disabled with an ota. Hopefully that will be our gingerbread also.
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why can't google make something like where you download os update separate from vendors? so you can update your phone to latest without bringing in useless vendor who only if something slows things down?!
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it could happen if google had a list of parts vendors are allowed to use. Everyone uses different cpu's, gps chips, wifi, and crap and that's why the os is so fragmented. If google had a set standard for hardware specs it wouldn't be so hard.
Android will always be fragmented, It doesn't mean how many companies sign up for the promised os updates for 18 months. This is one thing that is bad about android. My next phone will be google branded, atleast it has the best support possible.
Didn't they set up like a committee thing with all the companies to speed up the updating process?
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Didn't they set up like a committee thing with all the companies to speed up the updating process?
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Those same companies would also prefer that you purchase a new phone rather than have to support their existing ones.
Im not going to hold my breath waiting for Verizon. Maybe for a more stable leaked release.
If you're going to run with a rooted Bolt you're not going to care when Verizon releases the OTA because by the time they actually do it just about everyone in this forum will be running the leaked (& safe for rooted bolts) radios and ROM of some kind.
We'll also probably see the OTA weeks before VZW acutally pushes it (unless somehow jcase and company can't get their hands on a leaked version and make it safe for rooted phones before the OTA pushes...which I wouldn't bet money on.)
maybe it the start of OZ's summer, so that would make it like december.
Wonder where these leaks come from?
I am more excited about all ROMs moving to GB with stable base. The community ROMs work so much better than the vendor released for my taste.
now i know this has been asked before but i would like to know in more detail. What exactly would be needed to get the G2x and other devices to work on the Newest versions of android (future builds beyond ICS and JB). do we need just an open source driver or do we need on open schematic of the hardware, or what?
I know its a longshot but i would like to start a petition for google to require that when a device is dead (no longer sold retail) that a company release whatever we need to use as development.
I dont claim to know everything so PLEASE if there is am LG rep or dev looking at this PLEASE correct me, but i dont feel it is going to hurt the company to just release the open source for the phone after its lifespan is up. I know that they are banking on people just buying a new phone (which i have no problem doing) but when you are on a 2 year contract you cant just go spend $300-$500 on a new phone because your phone wont get the newest updates. i know you can always sell and buy a new phone on trading sites like swappa and ebay, but i rather not go through that hassle. too many times have i bought a phone or other device that is 3 months old (paying attention to specs) and have it die a few months later and be outdated. My problem is our G2x's are more powerful than most phones out there and we are stuck because a company wants to be (for a lack of better words) greedy. I mean hell my G1 lasted till GB before even dev support dropped (each build ran very well at that).
Maybe this is just a far fetched request for google or even just each individual company. i honestly dont think that the Rooting/Dev community is going to even put a dent in sales for these companies if they just release drivers. Im willing to start this and hope everyone is willing to spend less than 5 minutes of there time to read and sign the petition and even share is on other android forums and social media sites. I left iOS for android because of the openness and freedom, and this isnt about having the newest features but having app support. Im sure if anyone boots up an android 1.6 device right now they probably cant even sign into there google accounts. I feel caged now with android just like when i was using an iPhone unless you buy a Nexus device.
Also one more thing. Does anyone know a good legit digital petition site?
Thank you to anyone that took the time to read this.
The G2X may be EOL but the Optimus 2X and other phones are still sold that have the same NVIDIA SOC. So, even if the policy you propose for releasing the source code for the drivers for the processor, etc., were to be a Google requirement, NVIDIA wouldn't have to do it for the G2X.
Well no I'm talking in general. This is more in the interest of future devices. Or even set it to at the release of the device. Who knows there may be a similar palicy soon, there has already been some buzz about unlocked bootloaders in the new galaxy phones.
But hey I'm flexible and open to ideas. My point being is we should be fighting for our investments. I mean we spend hundreds of dollars for these phones and then are told "hey we aren't going to support this anymore, but you are welcome to buy are newest phone that we are going to drop support for in 6 months"
Once again thanks for taking the time to read ^_^
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I think the phone should be supported for the maximum length of the cell phone service contract from the date the cell phone was purchased for/with that contract. That should also apply to the warranty. For example, if a person signs up for a 2 year contract and buys a subsidized or non-subsidized phone from that service provider, the phone is guaranteed to receive timely firmware, etc., updates and repair for those 2 years. If the phone is an Android phone, the phone would receive Android updates which were released by Google over those 2 years. This would guarantee that early adopters of a phone would receive updates for more than 2 years, they would receive 2 years of updates from the date of the sale of the last phone of that type, the G2X for example.
Mod Edit:This one slipped through the cracks, but xda doesn't allow fundraising. Thread closed!
I only came across the Quasar IV today after reading engadget and I must say that it has piqued my interest. However after reading about it in indiegogo more carefully, isn't the security system, only beneficial within its closed ecosystem and if one were to use the normal commercially available services (gmail, gdrive, etc.) that they won't benefit from the security features of this the Quasar IV?
The security feature aside, the only other benefit of this phone for me is the 128GB. However since it's only to be released April '14 (and if Indiegogo is anything like Kickstarter, Oct '14 would probably be a more realistic date), most of the other major players in the market (Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.) would probably announce and release their "large" storage phones.
Take another look to the news.
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I only came across the Quasar IV today after reading engadget and I must say that it has piqued my interest. However after reading about it in indiegogo more carefully, isn't the security system, only beneficial within its closed ecosystem and if one were to use the normal commercially available services (gmail, gdrive, etc.) that they won't benefit from the security features of this the Quasar IV?
The security feature aside, the only other benefit of this phone for me is the 128GB. However since it's only to be released April '14 (and if Indiegogo is anything like Kickstarter, Oct '14 would probably be a more realistic date), most of the other major players in the market (Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.) would probably announce and release their "large" storage phones.
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You're right, the special security brougth by QUATRIX will be only available when the information is sent from a QUATRIX-enabled devide to another, but mind that sending encrypted messages to anyone that doesn't have the key to decode them is completely nonsense. I urge you to take a look to the news I've posted on the top of the page, because they mean that It will be possible turning a normal phone into a QUATRIX one just by adding a micro SD. Isn't it great?
I have to add that the production of the phone has already begun so the release date becomes stronger.
Thanks for your comment.
What a powerful phone! I like it! But I think the most way for keep the secrets safe it's not to put it on our phones! LOL
As Anonymous said "There Is No Full Security, We Can Catch You !" :S
I have payed for the 64 GB because even without the encryption those are awesome specs and I want to get this
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I have payed for the 64 GB because even without the encryption those are awesome specs and I want to get this
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How much did you pay it?
495$
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495$
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It sounds like didn't succeed in reaching their goal in Indiegogo and everyone is getting a refund. However QSAlpha is still going to proceed with pre-orders directly from their website instead. I guess they got funding somehow though some joint venture.
However for those who did get in early in Indiegogo for the $495 pack will have to start again with QSAlpha's pre-order...at a the $595 price instead.
And here's more info on the crypto system it uses and the downsides too
Any other buyer? I found this mobile and I m not sure about this. Im between this and Xiaomi
By the way : Hi. This is my first message but Im following this fantastic forum from ages. I just wanted to know if any one is getting this mobile to know about future support
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Seems like a long wait for a device. I would go with currently available models with similar specs. Nexus 5 for example.
Actually I dont need a phone right now. I could wait for months but I really dont know if its worth
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I moved away from the iPhone 2 weeks ago and was looking at Android alternatives and came across the QSAlpha after an engadget or gizmodo article. I almost pledged in Indiegogo (before the project was pulled due to lack of funding) but to me the issue was that you have to be in their ecosystem to enjoy the security features and I don't have enough persuasion power to convince all my friends to move to this ecosystem. So it boils back down to a regular phone.
2.3GHz & 3GB RAM are available now. So the only thing this phone has going for it is the 128GB. But as many of you have noted the delivery time is sometime mid next year. By then I'd dare speculate the rest of the major Android phone makers would have 128GB offerings too.
Also I think one could forget about trying to root their Android flavour.
I am very interested on this phone. Wonder though if it'd ever be open sourced? Also, is the encryption to the GSM/HSPA hardware level or is it all over the traditional data channel?
whats a performance phone.
i can buy this
better then samsung phone
Just to catch up anyone who might have been coming to this thread years later, the "QSAlpha" folks were apparently the same people that ran the later "Turing" phone company scam. (Mobile devices with multiple "Snapdragon 830" CPUs? :laugh Effectively no retail devices ever shipped, in either case. Hope no one reading this ever wasted any money, time, or hope on these folks.
So now we know that we are getting oreo lets talk about P.
According to the article, we should get P because currently, they don't have many devices to work on. Also states the V20 is eligible for P. That's up to LG now.
https://www.theandroidsoul.com/android-p-release-date/#jump-lg
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So now we know that we are getting oreo lets talk about P.
According to the article, we should get P because currently, they don't have many devices to work on. Also states the V20 is eligible for P. That's up to LG now.
https://www.theandroidsoul.com/android-p-release-date/#jump-lg
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without the ability to root I will not be staying with this device or any other LG for that matter long enough to think about P
P? Pfft we haven't even seen Oreo yet
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I said this in one of runningnak3d's threads, but these Android releases are becoming increasingly pointless and only serve to have Google find more ways to lock us out of customizing our devices under the guise of being up-to-date with the latest software. I have no interest in Android P.
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-p-blocks-custom-overlays-substratum-themes/
Also, they seem hellbent on this rounded corner crap. Welcome to web design and desktop computing in 2005. Stupid.
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P? Pfft we haven't even seen Oreo yet
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Was just putting the info out. I don't even know if I'll have the V20 that long.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
WTF - overlays have to be signed now?!? Yes, if you are rooted, you can install your own cert, or patch the cert check out, but that is just ------ WTF?!?
I understand a lot of the security that is in place, but to add security where it isn't needed just so you can keep your LOOK -- SMFH.
All I can say is support Lineage as much as you can (I am), and don't buy phones that are locked down. Google really is trying to turn Android into Windows. Remember how easy it was to modify Windows 95, 98 -- you could replace the entire shell. XP (and even Vista, 7, and 8) you could theme very easily. Then came Win 10. Yes, you can still theme it, but since it is a rolling release, MS is making it harder and harder. Eventually Stardock will give up.
When Android was released, it was so open that you could change pretty much anything, but they are doing the same thing -- locking it down more and more.
We need a third choice. Win Phone wasn't it, and I don't know of any contenders right now that have a chance. This sucks -- it is MS and Apple all over again, only Google replaced MS.
-- Brian
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
WTF - overlays have to be signed now?!? Yes, if you are rooted, you can install your own cert, or patch the cert check out, but that is just ------ WTF?!?
I understand a lot of the security that is in place, but to add security where it isn't needed just so you can keep your LOOK -- SMFH.
All I can say is support Lineage as much as you can (I am), and don't buy phones that are locked down. Google really is trying to turn Android into Windows. Remember how easy it was to modify Windows 95, 98 -- you could replace the entire shell. XP (and even Vista, 7, and 8) you could theme very easily. Then came Win 10. Yes, you can still theme it, but since it is a rolling release, MS is making it harder and harder. Eventually Stardock will give up.
When Android was released, it was so open that you could change pretty much anything, but they are doing the same thing -- locking it down more and more.
We need a third choice. Win Phone wasn't it, and I don't know of any contenders right now that have a chance. This sucks -- it is MS and Apple all over again, only Google replaced MS.
-- Brian
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I agree this really sucks they are moving more and more towards IOS where they lock you in and you can't do much if anything at all. I mean that's the reason I am on Android is becuase of the ability to do more and customize. They need to rethink this and start to let us do what we want. We don't need another IOS leave that to Apple. The freedom to build and customize is what Android is all about and it is sad to see it is going away slowly. Time for the Dev community to build their own os.
Good to hear. I've had mine over a year and hope to have it for a few more. That's why I chose a device with a swappable battery.
One of the reasons AST was developed to demonstrate rooting can be used to perform 100% legitimate and non-criminal operations on a device that a user paid for both hardware and software patent fees. The vendor, have been misleading the market to believe "rooting" and criminal operations are correlated. What AST does is what Android itself offers but a non-rooted user has been locked out of what user has paid for, injustice. Furthermore, the very same vendor that have actively been trying to demise its rival platforms creates an independency on rival's platform to elevate privileges so the user of device can perform tasks that ordinarily unable to do on their own device, referring to 'adb' and how stupid is that? Locking users out of their own device, in the name of security, is a false pretence. This is to appease and serve other corporations that need assurances for their investments WHEN the biggest investors are the users whom are paying for everything but have no say in anything at all because we are "individuals".
You can't find any other business model, at this scale, where consumers are expected to pay considerable amount of money initially for a device that its platform is designed not only to ripp off your wallet even more but also to put a tap on you. As as long as you continue using it, you keep consenting to be controlled and monitored. Right before mobile phones, there were talks about RFID being implanted under skins of citizens to control their movements and more. In that model, not a single citizen would had paid for the RFID implants but now we would queue for days to pay for a new mobile phone.
Like many of you in these forums, I have the sentiment that root privilege is my automatic right to have and I'm not even seeking approval, affirmation, or legal recognition when the very same system issues it can nullify it too.
The only language corporations understand is the language of business, not the boring human/consumers rights. Here is one; why corporations pay billions of dollars to other entities to show us adverts? Why don't they pay consumers to watch their adverts instead? The whole infrastructure for this is already in place, if you have a wallet account with "the vendor", you are set. Here is more business language and mentality for you. If showing adverts to consumers is that precious/vital to your business, as owning a flagship device is to your own typical demographics, then consumers would want a piece of that pie too. Why not? They have invested in paying for all the devices your business platform needed and they want a return, exactly the way you "expect" to have a return for your investments. Don't worry, we will register a limited company or operate under an existing one and pay our taxes to our respective governments the way you do.
Excuse my "politech" rant today.
Google is trying their hardest! to keep up with apple. Apple is already into their own space... DO NOT LOSE YOUR EMAIL OR FACTORY REST YOUR iDEVICE OR SUFFER OUR WRAITH,
Thats why am sticking with the v20 for a while. I dont think there's no more flagships being made with removable batteries.
Sprint's LG v20 has rolled out Oreo 8.0.0
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Sprint's LG v20 has rolled out Oreo 8.0.0
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Yeah like three months ago
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Yeah like three months ago
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Sorry I'm late to the v20 party but I just pick it up 2days ago. Glad to see it updated to Oreo. It replaced my Note 3
No more android p for v20, i guess look elsewhere.
There's rumors that LG will release Android pie to the lgv20. Late September 2019. That will sure be a treat.
The sad thing about it is it is supposed to be free from being lock in to app's and yet there is app's I don't use and don't need that keep running in the background that I can't control and there updating constantly using my monthly data paying for stuff that Google have put in my device the only way to get rid off them is rooting that means unlock bootloader put in recovery then root it.........
Just seen that the LG is going to update V20 to 9.0 and it's a fresh link from Android authority about 14 hours back
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/android-9-0-update-880718/amp/
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Just seen that the LG is going to update V20 to 9.0 and it's a fresh link from Android authority about 14 hours back
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/android-9-0-update-880718/amp/
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I just hope they don't screw with their promise this time, it took 1+ year delay for oreo to be available on my region
I'll be expecting it to arrive at the end of Q4 on IDN region, hopefully..
LOL!!! that was funniest link i have ever seen... Im still on 8.0 on my stock V20 .. let alone 9 !!!
The other forum in XDA too posted the same that LG want to update v20 to p.