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I am a captivate owner and I have nothing to complain about.
The line above is a single sentence summary of this post. If you have no interest in the opinions of others or prefer to complain about a developers hard work then you should probably stop reading now.
After the countless hours I have spent in the Samsung Captivate section I am beginning to feel there is a growing void in the area of captivate compliments. It's as if people are angered by Samsung's apparent failure to achieve perfection. A post of positivity or satisfaction with our magical devices only seems to appear amidst the rampant firings of Iphone vs Captivate battles fanboy raids.
I do not intend to claim that Samsung has achieved perfection. Through the development and production of this device we can see that some apparent flaws have been made, HOWEVER!, these flaws are not attached to every captivate experience. After initially reading through this forum I would assume I have been blessed by the phone gods for providing me with the only fully functional captivate produced. After digging for some time though, it can be seen that there are a few who have had an awesome and intended experience with this phone. I never had a problem with GPS or Battery and I couldn't even complain about lag.
Rom after rom, my opinion has grown more positive. Through research and understanding I have learned how to make my device work more effectively for me. I have learned that most errors and malfunctions are simply user error or misinformation. A good and verified Master Clear can work wonders for a properly flashed phone's performance.
To the developers out there gilding the lily daily. You are awesome! Always should you receive an error log, but never should you hear a complaint.
I will end this with some things that have been making me smile since captivate release:
1. SAMOLED
2. Speed
3. Multitasking like a MoFo (Last.FM + My Tracks + HD video recording, simultaneously)
Updating with more smile factors:
4. Sleek sturdy hardware design
5. Phone sound quality and reception
6. Device/screen size
7. 3D acceleration
+1 to this. I too love my phone, it is a learnign curve and we have so many wonderful developers working hard to make out phones better. I agree that a little bit of learning goes a long way, most of the complaints I read and problems that are experienced are caused by over enthusiastic new owners that do not go through the proper steps for clean flashing and often have bugs do to this. Too many people improperly installing ROMS, not knowing the difference between Recovery and Download mode. Mostly due to not reading enough and following the clearly outlines steps. We all make mistakes and have all been noobs, no device is perfect and I know I had to spend two weeks of constant reading to know how to properly flash my phone, use adb, and various other usefull tools. I am constantly learning about Android and the Captivate, I am happy with my device and my current setup. These aren't I-phones thank god and you have to spend time to set it up the way it works for you, depending on individual needs and preference.
I also thing we have a wonderful comunity and need to work together to make it a pleasent atmosphere for all. I am truly enjoying my phone and appreciate the hard work the developers put into this.
The compaining gets tiresome, but with a little patience and learning these are really great Android phones. If you want something to work with no need to tweek and hack then Android id probably not the device for you, imo.
Happy to say the same! (without typing it lol)
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+1 Thank you for the post.
Good Post
I feel the same right now about mine. Everyone that has watched any of the hd movies I have loaded says the same...WOW...OMG...that looks awesome..
Does the endless complaining and *****ing do any good..Yes..it does..and while you are quite right in saying this is a great phone..please don't try to silence those who do complain about theirs..they have every right to do so,provided what they are saying is truthfull.
I know many have a hardon for Samsung because of the GPS issue..and also the 3-button recovery fiasco..and people should be made aware of them prior to buying so they can do as I did and get one that works..but..with out all of those B&M'ng threads I most likely would have not known about it..so IMHO they do serve a purpose.
On the good side..I love how fast this phone is,and how great it works..I'll be (hopefully ) even happy when 2.2 or Gingerbread is released..I do recommend them to my friends wanting to get one..and let them know to come here and sign up so they too can learn all about them and all of the great developers work on all of the phones ..This is a great place..with lots of good people working hard to make things even better for us..
Mac
It is a great phone. My friends marvel at my resolution and then bend their heads and text on theirs.
Since rooting I feel freer. Ahhh.
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Does the endless complaining and *****ing do any good..Yes..it does..and while you are quite right in saying this is a great phone..please don't try to silence those who do complain about theirs..they have every right to do so,provided what they are saying is truthfull.
Mac
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I do not intend to silence those with complaints about their device or experiences. I myself have listed my concerns with the device here on XDA. It is a crucial part of how our community gains understanding and shares information. I just think the overwhelming count of negative to positive posts can be frightening to a newcomer or perspective android convert. I don't want to silence the negative but encourage the positive.
The above being said, some refrain should be practiced when posting to a developers thread. I am no developer but I think some people have a tendency to be more critical than helpful when complaining about freely developed and distributed software.
Otherwise, point taken and understood. Thanks for the contribution.
I absolutely love this phone. The GPS is abysmal, the Facebook app is in severe need of an update and the lack of convenient stable visual voicemail, but beyond that the phone is awesome.
I love swype and the amount of apps and I seem to be constantly blown away by the screen. Also, the battery life is great compared to my 3g.
I was skeptical at first but I'm glad I dove in.
Well.. I do not have this phone.. But, I actually 100% understand what you mean..
The best example I can think of is a PC.
When you buy a pc, what is the first thing most (even remotely knowledgable) users do with it?
Install a few programs. I always use ccleaner, to get clear out extra files, you delete the "extra" programs you don't want (if you didn't build the pc yourself). You make quite a few changes as soon as you get it.
If your going to get a phone.. and really want to get the most out of it.. your going to have to mod it.. That means Jailbreaking it on iphone, Rooting it on android and voiding your warranty eveywhere.
If your squeamish about voiding your warranty and just want a phone for email/internet browsing.. The iphone 4 is a great choice and you are welcome to use it, Actually so is blackberry, Symbian, and a slew of other phone's.
The truth is complaints shouldn't be addressed to the phone.. but, more the respective manufacturers and carriers that prevent rooting and void your warranty for doing so.
If you know what your buying, I can't feel bad when you come back and complain... If you don't know what your buying, I can't feel bad for you at all.. Why? if your going to get the most out of *ANYTHING* in life your going to have to know what your getting into and be fully aware of your actions.. Those who aren't, I can't pity.
With that said.. I'm not saying people shouldn't strive to push manufacturers to fix problems, and being able to read warnings is nice before you buy something.. My biggest problem when I read complaints is, people don't feel the need to warn, express this dislike or try to address their problems..
They want to just run in cry, whine, and then blast the phone as if it killed their children, ate their dog and laughed in their face.
if I could persuade my parents to cover the data plan.. (not happening, they wouldn't even let me pay for it).. Then I'd spring for capt full cash right now..
Loving this thread . . . not really as much as I love persistent positivity and gratuitous kindness in general, but almost as much as I love my endearingly imperfect Captivate.
Nice work, '84. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're way too nice a guy to have bludgeoned to death and buried 83 to earn that nickname.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=809471
People ask me about my phone(captivate), and if they should get an iphone or captivate. Simple answer, if your a simple person, and don't like customizing or if your not really tech savvy, then get an iphone. But if you're the complete opposite, then go with an android (this is of course not involving jail breaking)
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Mac11700 said:
I feel the same right now about mine. Everyone that has watched any of the hd movies I have loaded says the same...WOW...OMG...that looks awesome..
Does the endless complaining and *****ing do any good..Yes..it does..and while you are quite right in saying this is a great phone..please don't try to silence those who do complain about theirs..they have every right to do so,provided what they are saying is truthfull.
I know many have a hardon for Samsung because of the GPS issue..and also the 3-button recovery fiasco..and people should be made aware of them prior to buying so they can do as I did and get one that works..but..with out all of those B&M'ng threads I most likely would have not known about it..so IMHO they do serve a purpose.
On the good side..I love how fast this phone is,and how great it works..I'll be (hopefully ) even happy when 2.2 or Gingerbread is released..I do recommend them to my friends wanting to get one..and let them know to come here and sign up so they too can learn all about them and all of the great developers work on all of the phones ..This is a great place..with lots of good people working hard to make things even better for us..
Mac
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They have every right to complain, sure. But does that mean we have to be audience to these continually barrages of people who don't realize they have the choice to get rid of the phone if it doesn't suit them? I understand that we can have concerns, but if they're not handled constructively (ie varying, gps, lag, battery) they're cries should fall on deaf ears because I frankly don't need to hear it. Its been rehashed too many times to merit new threads and is far from necessary.
I come to this forum to get help with minor issues or improvement of my phone which is one I already love over my old 9700. That is why I love reading these kinds of threads where someone instead of injecting negativity into the community is seeking to shine a positive light. So here's to threads that offer help or new ways to improve the experience. Thanks OP glad you're enjoying your phone!
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Loving this thread . . . not really as much as I love persistent positivity and gratuitous kindness in general, but almost as much as I love my endearingly imperfect Captivate.
Nice work, '84. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you're way too nice a guy to have bludgeoned to death and buried 83 to earn that nickname.
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Most people are pleasant and inviting in person then go to the internet to become complete troll nobs. I prefer to be an a repulsive ass in person and make people on the internet believe I am a nice and well adjusted individual. This process makes life more spontaneous and brings a since of humor to Online Dating.
In truth though, it is an engine reference for a "1984 Harley Davidson Shovelhead".
I love my phone. I love it more now that i have angry birds. Would like inter-op words with friends, but there are alternatives. I do wish the "issue" that people complain about gets fixed, but it doesn't bother me. I would barely use it anyway. To much like a leash to me. Did I mention I love my phone.
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Most people are pleasant and inviting in person then go to the internet to become complete troll nobs. I prefer to be an a repulsive ass in person and make people on the internet believe I am a nice and well adjusted individual. This process makes life more spontaneous and brings a since of humor to Online Dating.
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That was the best laugh I've had all day!
I love my captivate. I admit to being a bit obsessed with it. I had GPS issues, but that was the ONLY thing I didn't like about the phone. I was hesitant to exchange it because I didn't want to end up with a different set of problems, but I did exchange it.
Now I love my Captivate AND I have a working GPS I use every day
Bob
+1
Coming from a jailbroken iPhone 3g, there is no comparison. This is my 1st Android phone and couldn't be happier with it. I've only had it about a month and i've learned a lot, mainly by reading these forums...hence why this is only my 4th post
this phone is so underrated. its as good as or better than any on the market today, yet all you hear is droid droid droid
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+1
Coming from a jailbroken iPhone 3g, there is no comparison. This is my 1st Android phone and couldn't be happier with it. I've only had it about a month and i've learned a lot, mainly by reading these forums...hence why this is only my 4th post
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Well, welcome to XDA and to your new mobile experience. Back in my WinMo days I spents weeks reading the Kaiser forums before my first few posts. All the new acronyms and software references can be a bit daunting, even for the savviest of geeks. Luckily I made a smooth transfer by running android ports on my winmo device before fully jumping in.
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this phone is so underrated. its as good as or better than any on the market today, yet all you hear is droid droid droid
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The annoying stab by the general uninformed public is an assumption that "Droid" is the correct term to reference all android devices. I blame Verizon and their conniving marketing department. The failed recognition of your device by a passing stranger does give you an opportunity to politely correct them with a showing of the wondrous features your technologically superior device is capable of.
I never flashed this ROM, though I must admit that it did look interesting feature/graphic wise.
It's sad to cease development on an open source compilation of code.. that's why even the renowned Design Gears is happily posting his source to his github
I do admit that with the push of android to the young populous, there's a lot of *young* android adopters.. consequence being the immaturity and inconsideration of spreading pirated software, leaking releases, and the lost of respect instilled in the media today towards the youngsters.
Respect is what parents should be raising their children with, not some TVs and Gameboys.
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I never flashed this ROM, though I must admit that it did look interesting feature/graphic wise.
It's sad to cease development on an open source compilation of code.. that's why even the renowned Design Gears is happily posting his source to his github
I do admit that with the push of android to the young populous, there's a lot of *young* android adopters.. consequence being the immaturity and inconsideration of spreading pirated software, leaking releases, and the lost of respect instilled in the media today towards the youngsters.
Respect is what parents should be raising their children with, not some TVs and Gameboys.
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+10...............................
sigh, I really liked Axura ROM and their dedication. I think I'm done with flashing since this amount of drama detracts from all the collegial spirit that should be present in this type of activity.
yeah i have axura and i'm happy with it at this point. i am going to live in denial for a while and keep checking back hoping they change their tune and start dev'ing again
It was the best
I loved this ROM and not to be too harsh, but whoever thought that would ever be okay is just a......ill keep it G rated, but yea! Seriously, its not your work and you have been asked not to post it or use it w/o express permission! I am glad to hear that they have been banned from the forums (via Master's Twitter) but seriously let this be a lesson to all of XDA, respect peoples work. Especially the people who are taking our phones from okay to the best out there! This is just rude and I am really hoping the XDA community learns from this and from here on out keeps flaming and crap like this to a minimum. Dev's can disagree and people can have their differences but that does not trump respect, and on that note if your not a Dev(which I am not) then lay off the devs a little, give them ideas/feedback but dont piss all over their work if something isnt exactly right. For the love they are building these ROMs from scraps and leaked incomplete releases! If you cant fix it yourself.....don't complain just let the Dev know and HOLD YOUR HAPPY .... ON UNTIL THEY FIX IT!
P.S. Dont know if hansmrtn will read this but if you do then thank you for standing up for us and trying to let Master agree to release the newest version to us! You rock, you didnt have to try but you did anyway. Thanks!
hey sorry guys i know this is like a super noob question and i may get flamed for this but im willing to accept that lol but from reading all this i have one main question: does this mean i cant get Axura anymore from anywhere? i dont even have my Captivate yet but i should be getting it on Monday but im planning to go straight to a ROM from the get go and i was planning to use Axura but now after reading all this im pretty sad. i know i could go with Perception v7 but id still much rather get Axura, is there any way i can still get it?
hey man
Yea as of now all Auxra Roms are gone. People probably have them on their computer but no one should, esp after this post them or give them up. Sorry man!
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Yea as of now all Auxra Roms are gone. People probably have them on their computer but no one should
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love the axura rom..glad i was able to hop on the bandwagon while i could
There are a lot of people who get rubbed the wrong way on here. I have to admit sometimes it gets pretty bad. But I also find it refreshing that the mods don't really step in to often to clean things up.
One thing i don't get is the mindset of a rom dev. I was under the impression that they have the device and have the abilities to make it better then what it is. I always thought them sharing it was a gift. With that being said i would think they would listen to suggestions but ultimately they make what they want, we are along for the ride.
I know if i were making something for myself and then sharing it to the world, I wouldn't give two poops what anyone has to say because it was made for me and to each his own.
As per releasing betas or alphas... your always going to have pirates, jerks and people who want some fame. It happens. That is why companies have nda's. Just find yourself 4 or 5 trustworthy chaps and dev dev dev!
These roms should be made for self gratification, not for kudos from xda members. You will always get crap for your hard work.
that is my piece, you may not agree.
This is a kick in the nuts to those who donated to hansmrtn, this whole fiasco had nothing to do with the captivate rom, so for him to seize development makes no sense.
This my friends....has made me so much more cautious in my donation.
I donate because I feel that it is important to show those people that do this on their free spare time, should feel like they are being appreciated for their time and work.
But their is a catch to this, if you are willing to ask for donation to a community that your a member of, I believe YOU are obligated to show some sort "code of ethics". I want to feel that I have donated to a cause of future development and support.
NOT....
News: D4A is closing at the end of the month due to the disrespect from several XDA members
I will not post the link to the website. Deserves NO recognition.
Really...? This is what your gonna give me for an explanation for why my donation on good faith was wasted! Childish.
Bad business, shows that your maturity level for this community has showed it's true colors, selfish and lack of respect for one self.
Am I asking for a refund, by all means, no. Seems like you need the money more than I do.
Am I being a little harsh, no. You have to understand, you have to look at this more on a business stand point. You advertise the donation button, which basically asking for peoples hard earn money, and you take it away just like that (doesn't matter if it is for 1 cent, still wasn't your money to begin with), ...and you feel disrespected...? Come back and ask the community the same please.
Just note that you let a lot more people down than people that you feel that disrespected you. But we'll still call the kettle black...
That's my 2 cents, back to seeing whats new.
Tried following the excuses given for pulling development on this rom. I get it that things happen and are said on this forum that are not respectful, but the greater good of the commity should out way a couple bad apples. Still using the rom. Will do so till I am bored. Allot of drama in the last couple of days
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As far as the reasons goes some people are dicks, life sucks, get over it.
The reaction is a slap in the face to all the donators and hansmrtn.
In the open source world, when this **** happens the way forward is to fork and move on.
All too often I've seen the devs at XDA get disrespected. And I see it way too much, these folks put countless hours into what we reap the benefits of. It's not their jobs, and if it was their jobs, then the disrespect becomes a bit more "tolerable". But it's on their free time they make our devices better than anything the manufacturers could produce.
As far as Axura and the devs involved in it. I felt they did some truly amazing stuff. It was brilliant work, and as it moved along it was getting really exciting to see it get better and better. I was thrilled at where it was going, it made me want to contribute to it, not in money, but in my own abilities.
The thread was a really great place. After the dev change, I can say I only saw 1 person get a bit out of line. There wasn't the bashing and BS from people coming down on noobs. It was refreshing to see for a change. Hopefully the people moving from Axura to the other ROM threads out there will carry on this to their new ROMS
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this ROM. Both in the development and in the feed back to the devs, who could then make it better for all of us
Can someone explain me in a short what exactly happened. I have red the convo with but I don't get what exactly happened. Since I switched to nexus one this forum is going nuts!
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mac208x said:
Can someone explain me in a short what exactly happened. I have red the convo with but I don't get what exactly happened. Since I switched to nexus one this forum is going nuts!
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I'll let Urban Dictionary do the talking:
"I'm going to take my ball and go home!"
"I want to be in control of the situation and if I can't then no one is going to be allowed to be happy about the outcome."
The expression comes from the playground where one kid, the one who owns the soccer ball or basket ball, doesn't get his way in the game. If he doesn't get his way then he gets mad and punishes those who are unwilling to accept his mandate. He does this my taking his ball and going home thus ending the game and any fun the participants were having.
The expression "I'm going to take my ball and go home" when directed at an individual is used to illustrate the individual's immaturity when that person can't get his way and no longer wants to be a participant in the conversation or a contributor to solving a problem.
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^^ I agree, it seemed like the issue was more about removing axura from XDA as the one individual wanted it to be exclusive to his website.
Also, it appears it is closing up because of sheer frustration. As a web host you cant be so quick to quit!
A ROM will be leaked, do you see AT&T stopping the development of FROYO because we are all spreading it around like wild fire? No.
Good thing I downloaded the rom a day before it was taken down.
After reading the convo, I was just like WTF, really?
Yeah, devs deserve respect. No one can argue otherwise. They make these roms in their free time, hoping to please themselves and other people by sharing it here. They don't have to do it, yet they still do even though other members give em **** for it.
Now, as to what Master did.
Let me ask you this question. (If you read this.)
Did you REALLY expect nobody to give you **** for your work? Were you really so NAIVE to believe that there would be no piraters, leakers, etc.? Do you REALLY think it's fair to punish YOURSELF and EVERYBODY ELSE around you just because one or two people disrespected your work?
Unfortunately, this life can be unfair. Deal with it. There will be immature douchebags that will disrespect you. That's just how life is.
What you have done is highly immature. Now hans can't develop the CE Axura anymore even AFTER he put so much work into it. Is that not disrespect? What about all those who donated to you, you just leave them in the dust just because one or two people disrespected you?
Anyways, that was my 2 cents.
Of course, being the dev, he can do whatever he wants with his rom. Remove it, put it up, it's all up to him, and, like I said, devs do this on their free time and we have no right to be disrespectful to them or to demand anything from them.
I think it was due to how it was handled which is why Master wanted it removed from XDA. However, that's not fair to Hans as he put alot of time and effort into it and he didn't want to shut it down. If anything, I think Hans should be able to release it here because it had little to nothing to do with this fiasco.
I understand why Master pulled it but sheltering it won't don't anything but hurt the rom due to very little exposure. I hope that Hans continues to dev whether it be Axura or something else.
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^^^QFMFT!!!
I spent all day trying to get a PC to flash Odin finally get it load up this ROM and what happens? It gets removed in a manner that even my kid thinks is hella immature. I feel bad for Hans because of all of the hardwork he put into it after the last feet stomping tantrum....or so I've heard. I'm just disappointed in the whole thing..
I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
I'm not a developer but did read this already on a posting at Google+.
But you are right, moving into that direction would be very bad.
Some people think they can be rude because they stay anonymous.
Its something that happens more and more these days on the internet.
I realize it's impossible - there are 12 year olds who probably run rampant.
Seems like there is SOMETHING that can be done.
I'm as Pro-Android as they come. But at times it feels like starting a relationship with a beautiful boy/girl only to find they come with a sack load of emotional baggage.
Here's my take on it: http://andgamesdevblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/android-culture-its-own-worst-enemy.html
I am far from giving up (thick skinned) but there is a real troll culture growing and needs to be stomped out. Anonymity has it's uses but, as with everything else, has its drawbacks. What we need is troll hunters!
Paul
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I have seen that there are some stupid comments on the market... But not so extreme as to take down your app...
Some users is just plain stupid... I'm from Denmark, so a lot of the comments are in danish... But that devs are many times foreign and really don't look or understand the comments... But a lot of them complain about pathetic things like no app 2 sd or that some function suddenly's gone instead of just writing the dev an email about the issue and giving the app the respect it deserves... 1/5 rating is a lot of the times not justified...
Just my 2-cents...
I'm sorry but this is a silly and immature move by the developer. Receiving negative feedback, dealing with trolls and idiotic users that don't understand technology are fundamental assumptions of the internet, just like not giving out your passwords or helping Nigerian princes get their money out of Africa.
I loved ShootMe and used it for our screenshots, but I don't have a lot of empathy for people that empower others to control how they feel.
Wrote about this a few weeks back: http://www.androidstatic.com/what-shootme-removed-from-the-android-market
I work in IT support and one of the things I have to support is phones. It blows my mind how many 10-12 year old kids have nicer phones than I do because their rich mommy and daddys think their precious little angels needs the latest and greatest smart phones. I went over to a client's office a couple of months ago and he had 3 brand new Droid 2s for his kids, ranging from 10-14.
Point of all this?
In this day and age, there are so many rude little kids with nice phones all over these forums, its amazing to me anyone sticks around. Im over 40 and was raised in a different time than these self entitled children I see around here that want everything now, for free and want you to do it for them.
I cant blame the guy for leaving. A lot of times I wish I could go live on an island somewhere where I didnt have to deal with people because most of them suck.
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I wrote about it here: LINK
Does anyone know more about the background - from the twitter account it seems like just a general run-down and a disappointing community.
Other developers on here feel the same?
I'd love to get comments from some of the developers on here, if that is the case.
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I'm not a developer, but I was a ShootMe user on my EVO 4G. When it received the upgrade to Gingerbread, the app stopped working. The developer never replied to my email and from reading comments on Market didn't reply to anyone.
He did finally released a new version of ShootMe, but you had to have a computer to use it. Also everytime your reboot your phone, you had to sync everytime with your computer.
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Welcome to the "masses".
Want a better experience? Go smaller. Dev for Windows Phone, or Web OS, or RIM.
Once something becomes part of the main stream, you'll see the d-bags start rolling in. Even something like xda can be tarnished once it "gets too big". There is hardly a day that goes by where I don't read a thread here that doesn't make me shake my head. This used to be a highly technical forum, back when every devices was htc and running windows mobile.
The only thing that can really be done, is to work with a smaller, more appreciative community. I doubt you would get very many jerk off comments from a Windows Phone user, they are happy to get whatever they can.
All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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All very good points. I wish I had put a little into my thoughts before typing that up - dev's need to be tougher AND respond to people.
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As a android developer IMHO the android community is as bad as they come. Xda for example used to be a place of collaboration. Currently its a place where maybe .1% do dev, .9% appreciate the development and try to help, 99% ether complain or say nothing at all. Whether the development is for free or profite(which I won't evev get into here) how is a developer supposed to work off of that? Users would rather right a comment blasting a developer who has literally spent days of his life on some product without even attempting to resolve the issue themselves.
I'm not saying some complaints are not warranted, just saying flip the coin around and its not so hard to understand the developers standpoint.
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There is no denying that there is frustration on both sides. This frustration seems to stem from expectation, communication and control.
The developer expects their customers to be civil.
The users expects the developers to devote anything between some to all of their resources/free time building/making their products better.
Both are unreasonable expectations if you think about it.
Civility can only be maintained in a mediated environment - the Android Market seems only concerned about brand and copyright issues. Google seems to think that it's ok to put its developer behind chicken-wire with lights in their eyes whilst their customers are free to hurl beer bottles at them. Dealing with anony-trolls is time consuming and offputting.
Developers range from teenagers with spare time on their hands up to multi-million dollar development studios. I, myself, am a father of three, I work a full week (we've got to eat!) and I code when time permits. Even though I respond to every request put to my apps, if you think that I'm going to compromise the balance of other areas of my life to put in a bug fix - think again. Sure, some of the more effluent businesses can throw more resources into a project, but just bare in mind that most of us are just people and not doormats. Respect and encouragement is all it takes to make the market a happy place. Flaming just ruins things for all (on both sides).
Communication between devs and end users is and most likely always will be a bit of a sticking point. The fact that everyone has their own opinions, likes, dislikes kind of makes it obvious that there will never be an app with 100% 5 stars. Even the most popular apps on the market have ratings across the board. Though, admittedly, some of the low grades may be down to trolling - but some of them will be genuine. Communication takes time. From a user, it may take a couple of minutes out of their day. For the dev, they may have hundreds a day to deal with. This takes them away from the development that the mail is probably asking for!
A user doesn't, and should never have control over the developer. They should, however, be able to request, beg, plead *nicely*. If they get frustrated then they should remember the phrase 'you get what you pay for'. The developer doesn't get any money when you bought your phone - so don't think they have any obligation to give you something for nothing. If it's a paid app, then the developer is saying 'yes, I'll support it.' That's fair sport.
The developer should have some control over their customers in the sense that a shopkeeper can choose who they let in their shops. Unfortunately they have none. They can't even moderate the comments on the market. I've had a 'GAY - Pointless, uninstall' (his words, not mine) on a free app downloaded 12,000 times and has a 4* rating. I can't do anything about it. It always appears when people go to the page. This individual has hurt my app and me without provocation. I didn't ask anything from them. Fortunately, the following message pointed out that the 'Pointless' user was an idiot (thanks XZombie), hopefully it will negate some of the damage. We're completely at the mercy of the masses, and being a relatively new dev, it's a scary place to be!
It's a shame that the most influential party in all of this is hiding behind a wall of silence.
If you're interested - I'm keeping a track of my experience of Android development. The link is in my earlier post.
Paul
Strangemoo
Paul, I do agree with you to a point. But I'm not sure if I like about developers editing comments. But I do see what you mean about people leaving dumb comments for an app that does work.
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Katt,
I don't suggest developers could edit comments - that would make the process equally pointless, as devs can put all of the 'nice' things they want in the description anyway. Sorry if I implied otherwise.
Devs should be able to either remove, request for removal or even block the rogue elements. At present, we have to just live with the insults with no way to disprove their claims. Even a 'troll flag' would be an improvement - to show other users that the dev disagrees with the comment.
All accountability is on the devs whereas trolls can run freely.
Do any other devs out there agree with me on this? Others may have had a much more dealings with such than I have.
Cheers,
Paul
IMO if google was smart they would allow for a limited ammount(% of total) of "submissions" of there comments to a third party(google). If they are found outlandish they can be removed.
My 2 cents lol. I can say as a dev of a few apps on the market I have gotten rediculous comments n 1 stars b4. I mean if they are justified that's a different thing entirely. But my 1 stars are disproportionally higher then the trend of the others. Which proves one thing...
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This is an honestly great thread. Good initiative to |OP|
Taking down an app just because of a few nasty comments is just
childish and quite frankly pathetic.
Seems that developer has chucked his toys out the pram, if he does
decide to release it again who is going to trust such a developer?
I know I wouldn't use the app again, seeing as he's stuck 2 fingers up
to loyal users and the whole android community all because of a small
minority of people.
The whole thing stinks of the guy thinking he is above any kind of bad
feedback, obviously a developer that doesn't listen to the users of his
app and a developer that turns his back at the drop of a hat.
I'm sure he will be missed... Not
Ps. there are better screenshot apps out there
I agree with your comment. Though I am not a dev. I have experience working in the retail end of software. This is a I want it now society, folks forget that they got this software/app for free and as soon as they have a little issue they fly off the deep end cussing out the maker/distribitor of the product. Anyhow like you said you get what you pay for.LIke in my IT course in school my book said "check the dummy behind the keyboard" anyhow thanks for the great apps i use the time flies app.
If a dev dropped his customers because of a couple of snide comments then, yeah, I'd agree with you.
But was that the case for ShootMe?
Before we start flinging hooks around here, wouldn't it be more productive to actually find out what happened first.
I may be proven wrong here, but the guy must've been given some serious grief to take such a newsworthy action.
In fact, that's not been mentioned - it could be media storming. Drum up enough publicity and come back blazing. Only time will tell on that one.
At the end of the day, it's his property. And if he makes a lot of people unhappy that's his prerogative. The reason he's giving though are indeed a real issue the community needs to address.
The plot thickens.
(Glad you like Times Flies! You're most welcome)
Paul
I've noticed that the flavor of a community will vary a lot by device. The Captivate community seems to be generally good and helpful for the most part, but I've heard horror stories of ungratefulness and rudeness about communities around other devices. It may be the same sort of thing with different varieties of apps. If people feel like an app performs a function they deserve outright, they may be less inclined to courtesy and more inclined to selfish expectation.
So today I was greeted with a simple PM that quickly escalated to nonsense for no reason. I am putting it here because I wan't to hear the community's thoughts on this. I have erased the user's name and other information to avoid any humiliation. Please keep your discussion specific and don't flame. Blue color for my conversation and green color for the other party.
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Hello, just love your Berry Black Keyboard Theme!
would like to download it, it's posted as free on xda - clicking on link you've provided - and it appears to be paid. maybe some kind of mistake.
can you please be so kind sharing?
and do you have webmoney accound so i can donate? we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
thank you.
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It's not for free sorry. I made a mistake in the thread, I have updated it now.
You can buy from slideme app store they allow world wide users to buy apps easily.
Berry white and ICS Froyo are the two free keyboards.
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LOL first developer not sharing 1$ eight png images to the other person kindly asking. even if he asked by mistake and willing to donate for the app he thought was free.
checked slideme - same thing with my country, anyway the deal is not about the money.
maybe i think so because i do some serious stuff in real life.
but i will never understand how 1$ and some png images can beat kind words.
wish you all the best - so your life changes the way 1 bucks won't be such an issue.
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Thats the whole point my friend. A bunch of images and random colors organized in a nice fashion is what makes it worth something. Just like mining gold. Have you ever asked the question why there is no berry black keyboard theme in the market in the first place ? Theres literally thousands of free keyboard theme apps and not one black berry styled keyboard ? Why ?
And as for sharing a $1 app, I've had users email me and they were kind enough to do a video for it as well. You are like the 100th person to ask me for free. If I gave all the other 100 people the theme for free then whats in it for me ? Like seriously ? In normal case scenario if a person has a life and other things to do why would he make and then do all the extra overhead work of creating icons and market listing and upload it and then give it out for free ? I would have given you the app anyways after you checked and told me what happened with slideme but like others you too had no patience and had to add your own smart comments.
Your right It's not about money, I give out free apps every week. People like you need to realize that $1 not because its worth $1 but because it will not sell at higher prices. It takes about 15 hours to finish a keyboard theme from start to finish and testing it on all resolutions. So if my rate of earning were to be even $10 per hour then its 10x15=$150. Which means until I sell 150 keyboard themes I have not earned enough. And then comes the 100+ people who want it for free. This is why developers quit in the middle of working on kernels and roms here in xda because when people want something they will make noise but not work on it themselves. When someone does it for them they got even more complains.
Unlike other designers here on xda I fight for designers. I don't care about your $1.
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are all these people live somewhere where electronic money transactions are REALLY hard. ebay doesn't even accept transactions for random goods to anyone in ex-ussr. didn't know that, sure?
were all these people thinking it was free and willing to donate even more than you want for it (i didn't even notice it was 1$ until i started with slideme) but with webmoney which we have exchange for?
that's not a reason for you, you're thinking of other 100 free askers and all that pity math. you concerned about money more than you try to imply, believe me it's well seen.
now as for stuff you call desiiiign - a simple recent example of an app everyone uses WhatsApp modded
price was the same as you 8 png images but this person did MUCH more work, including photoshop, smali editing compiling etc etc etc. 15 hours for your skin? than how much for testing and drawing the whole app? it'll take a year with that productivity.
and concerning the marketing question, believe me, a lot more users would download themed whatsapp with extra features not implemented by developer itself, rather than one of thousand keyboard skins.
guess what, he is giving it out for free when it was paid and than made it donate version. yes he can sell thousand of copies of this skin but he doesn't.
he earns money for his work but he is not shaking for every bucks when situation doesn't worth it and stay a real man. you live not far from russia, hope you understand the meaning of being a man in our meaning. there are things men can not afford because they're too cheap for them. not literally of course.
and the xda full of those examples.
free apps, kernels, roms, mods! years of man work for free. all this stuff needs much more knowledge and work than those 8 images you call design. and all this app can be successfully sold! but they're not. how do you think why? as for berry keyboard and first places - there's just nothing special about it no one looks for it and no one downloads it that's why it's not on a first place LOL.
donations and earning money for any work is good.
but being such a principle person in such a simple situation - trading for such a mediocre work makes me smile.
believe me, if you were such a principle person with EVERYTHING in your life you won't think about 100xxxwhatever persons 150xxxwhatever dollars and all that funny numbers. so you're not that sharp. and you're telling me you don't care about 1$. that's a funny stuff showing me i was right from the beginning.
and for the keyboard we were talking about - already got that
Order date: March 4, 2012 11:47:50 AM PST
Berry Black Keyboard
CA$1.00
Total:
CA$1.00
- doesn't look as good as it was on a screenshot - won't use it, deserves a refund in my opinion, but i won't, just because i prefer to be principle in real life with some really worthy stuff and can afford a bunch of so-called "Designer_Stuff organized in nice fashion".
just to support person who says he doesn't care for 1$ and stands for designers, but writes a huge explanation with examples from 1$ math and doesn't have anything we call design on his deviantart. keep believing LOL
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So first you message me that you love the theme and you want it for free because you cannot buy it. Next you buy from market somehow and now your complaining. I just proved my point. Your purchase has been refunded. I did not come knocking on your door you came to me trying to be cheap. You can say what you want about my deviantart I dont really care, I do things my way. You wrote an entire essay complaining maybe you could have used that time to design your own keyboard that will satisfy your needs.
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you're funny little person.
i was trying to donate for free app. remember/no? how's your memory today?
needed to ask another person to download it for me, than send money to him through webmoney... a lot of actions to do. taken about an hour, ain't it too much for a couple of images?
that's why i asked it for free first.
but such a looser like you would better believe someone tried to cheat him for 1$. greedy piece of LOL can see nothing but money. you thought someone would even bother to write a message not to pay 1$? are you that retard to not understand how small that amount is for anybody in this world?
i buy "designers" with such "creativity" and way of thinking you just clearly demonstrated for a couple of hundreds per dosen. believe me i didn't mean to steal you dollar. LOOOOOOOOOL
you've made a refund? funny enough i've noticed your apk on some other forum. so doesn't really matter. if i'd find this leaked version earlier i wouldn't meet a man that don't deserve being a man. greedy pays twice, or loosing a lot of potential buyers one way or another.
first impression is the right one. cheap stuff smells in a special way and shows itself in everything related to a person.
now get lost, tired of your pathetic mind.
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I told you before you would have got your theme for free but you had to be sarcastic from start thats why you didnt get it. If you were nice you could have avoided everything but you chose this course of action. As for the apk in another forum you just proved that you wanted to pirate it in the first place, thats why you were still looking for it in the other forums. You thought it would be nice if you could ask me directly for it so you dont feel guilty. I get many people like you every day and this is not support. I don't need nagging people like you to support me when I have the support of my designer friends in deviantart. They see something in me and you don't, go figure why. All the kernels and roms and free stuff I use from xda I have personally offered all those devs my apps for free. Some agreed others said they will buy it from the market. I don't need to explain anything to you but I'm being nice and explaining to you so your narrow one sided mind can understand that it was you who messed it up. Your the pathetic one with zero patience.
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i didnt need your theme for free clown! i needed it with less possible actions to download. see the difference?
it would be nice to ask not to feel guilty? for what? i'd use it if i like it and so what? it wouldnt work if i dont buy it? why spending time sending message waiting for answer. why talk to some clerk thinking he is a designer?
are you retard tell me? or you think sun walks around you? that's getting funniest conversation ever. you live in interesting world where you believe in some idiotic stuff you wanna believe and proving it further. that youre designer, that someone will talk to you for 1$ hahaha too much for your pity self. telling you once again - no one writes message for 1$ believe me.
you don't need to explain? you were just offered to get lost but you still here smelling in my PM. why? because im right. zero are you and you can do nothing with it. you are angry because you understand that people see how pathetic everything you do and wanna call design. its worth 1$ nothing more you're right.
youre offering apps for free to devs stuff you use? how about others? or you're only a tradewhore offering 8 images for whole kernel rom etc?. think its equal? how convinient. its like nothing to 1$ even less, we are talking about.
do you understand how low are you telling this stuff as an argument. and who uses your great skins in their roms? never seen it anywhere even for free.
get lost you're plankton, prooved in three variations.
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Moral of the story, no more PM's for me. No one is pointing a gun at your head and making you buy my apps.
Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
Agreed, don't feed the trolls. They never are grateful for it.
Now I know what a troll is...
retareq said:
Now I know what a troll is...
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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Good advice. Its in effect right now.
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Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
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Wow that was serious stuff. And his English its understandable. People are crazy nowadays
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Surprisingly I am not upset or livid. I was at first but I took this opportunity to train myself to be nice in stressful situations. I think I did well
Name & shame! Obviously wanted app for free, that's why they kept the focus on not wanting to pay "1$" and making personal insults.
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And this is why I just assume everyone who's not American is a Terrorist. And I do not negotiate with Terrorists.
we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
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End of Conversation.
lol
What a flapwit.
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It's 2012 the sob story of any problem is now an alarm bell..... Especially when based on any value of of real $..
I lost my mind and faith in humanity in my last few sales jobs... Apparently too honest to survive... People would blatantly lie to me in the dumbest ways thinking it would save them a penny...
When will people learn that only your mom thinks your the best or smartest...
And to the people who believe that you could out canive everyone on survivor, is the reason why north america is about to fall under its own incapability to be efficient... all this weaseling is making it impossible to do anything right the first time.... Integrity is dead..
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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+1 Nicely said
Hi guys, so apparently I've given the impression that I'm a conceited **** on these boards. I like to think that I'm not, so first off I'd like to just apologize for the way I've come across, and now that my ban is removed I'll be using these boards with the intention that they were given; to discuss Android, Skyrocket, and all things related. No more flaming. You'll just have to see if I follow through.
So, that aside I'd like to ask for your help developers/users. I'm writing my final paper on XDA-Developers (we have to analyze a digital public sphere, Google Habermas public sphere for more information, and write a paper on a specific line of inquiry about a commons based peer production) and my line of inquiry is essentially, how this massive community falls together without the guidance of Google.
They essentially just release Android code to public, and all of this happened. No one at Google told CM to exist, or any of the wonderful ROM creators/porters that exist on this board, and no one told us users to install these ROMs. So if you could write up WHY you guys do it, it'd be incredibly helpful. I'm talking about anything from a 800 word speech about open-source and the message behind it, to just being bored, to just liking the looks of your phone, to just being part of the community.
Thanks, and again I'm sorry for previous interactions.
I do it because I like the freedom allowed on custom ROMs. There is much more customizability on a custom ROM than on a stock one. Performance is another huge plus. It allows my device to work at a higher level than normal.
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Thanks! Do you mind if I quote you in the paper?
Many, many Att upgrades ago, I was researching new phone options to grow beyond BlackBerry. Came down to iPhone and the captivate. When I came across XDA, the decision was easy -once I understood what Android had to offer a geek like me, iPhone was out of the question.
Soft-bricked the cappy the first night I had it. Never looked back
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Many, many Att upgrades ago, I was researching new phone options to grow beyond BlackBerry. Came down to iPhone and the captivate. When I came across XDA, the decision was easy -once I understood what Android had to offer a geek like me, iPhone was out of the question.
Soft-bricked the cappy the first night I had it. Never looked back
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Actually, I have a section on the risk involved and why people would continue with it; would you say you had enough confidence in your computer-literate abilities that you weren't overtly worried about a hard-brick or that you really had no idea but you were aware of the benefits and wanted them no matter what.
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Actually, I have a section on the risk involved and why people would continue with it; would you say you had enough confidence in your computer-literate abilities that you weren't overtly worried about a hard-brick or that you really had no idea but you were aware of the benefits and wanted them no matter what.
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Nail on the head. I understood what benefits came with the territory, but had no prior experience with Android or Linux. Although I am very literate in Android now, it's really just a hobby. Although fun, I see no considerable gain from my flashing and modding activities (aside from a performance perspective, usability and reliability at par, or less than oem)
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Nail on the head. I understood what benefits came with the territory, but had no prior experience with Android or Linux. Although I am very literate in Android now, it's really just a hobby. Although fun, I see no considerable gain from my flashing and modding activities (aside from a performance perspective, usability and reliability at par, or less than oem)
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Same question as the first guy; mind if I quote you?
Don't mind at all.
I do it for the chance to prove myself wrong there are many things that I am not familiar with however on Xda has giving me the opportunity to expand my knowledge and I understand that every new person newcomer new developer anybody starts off starts Step 1 and in this community it makes it possible to be a level 1 and still be great I flash ROM to flash ROM I like the uniqueness I like the capabilities I like the ability to know that I have no boundaries.
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Quote away.
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I first flashed because i was bored with the stock rom. Sense then it's become addictive, if i twick tjis or that will i get better performance or better battery. What roms run smoothly. Gets my heart racing every time because i know one little screw up and the phone is dead.
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I started flashing and rooting because I love to tinker and modify, I've done cars, computers, etc. I started porting and playing with source because of my inherent need to learn to know what makes things tick and because I wanted to give back to the community that taught me.
As far as when I started I wasn't ever worried I have a strong IT background and I did tons upon tons of research in understanding the processes, the risks, and the rewards. I'm of the do it right the first time or don't bother mindset so anything I do I understand.
Yes I allow quoting
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Thanks guys. This is actually really helpful. If there's any interest I'll post my final paper.
Probably shouldn't be interest. Its a 500 level English course so you know the drill, heightened language and poignancy out of nothing
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Well I look at the same way. I love to know why things work like they do. Btw I'm using the liquid smooth Rom jb 2.0 RC 7. On the skyrocket. It's awesome. Everything good so far. 3 days
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Many, many Att upgrades ago, I was researching new phone options to grow beyond BlackBerry. Came down to iPhone and the captivate. When I came across XDA, the decision was easy -once I understood what Android had to offer a geek like me, iPhone was out of the question.
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From the first day I got my first android phone I started to root it and find ways of better the performance since I noticed battery was really bad on stock. Xda educate me starting from the simple things to more complex like modding, installing all kind of custom roms, fixing softbricks on my skyrocket. I was even induced to learn some Linux coding. I install as triboot Ubuntu, win 7 and wind 8. My wife and mi daughter have iPhone each. Mi wife has an iPad and mi son has an iPod and with all the pressure at home I stick to my android because of the versatility.
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I was a hard core BlackBerry user until it seemed like they stop making the effort to keep up with Apple/Android so I jumped ship. I didn't like the Apple interface and Android looked interesting. The Skyrocket was my first Android phone and my only up to this day(played with many others).
I was on stock GB for a long time before I even knew rooting existed. I looked into root, read many post on xda and other forums, and soft bricked my phone 4 times over the weekend until I got it right. Since then I'm slowly becoming a flashaholic. I mostly flash for the endless customizations and performance tweaks. Flashing roms is also a great way to stay up to date without spending $200-600 on the latest phones.
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Thanks guys. This is actually really helpful. If there's any interest I'll post my final paper.
Probably shouldn't be interest. Its a 500 level English course so you know the drill, heightened language and poignancy out of nothing
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Please post it.
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The reason I chose Android was, ironically, choice. I had spent two years using apple iPhones, and it had left a bitter taste in my mouth, in that you had what you had. As a rebellious soul, I felt hindered. The "take what we give you" principal began to anger me. After my iPhone 4 crapped out, I called AT&T and ordered my Skyrocket. Two days later, my electronic world changed. Root, roms, and the developers behind them continually creating new and more useful modifications at a pace that was hard to beleive. The devs commitment to the community, in addition to a global company (Google) that was actually encouraging these things was akin to watching the wheel being invented. A complete difference in night and day. How could it get better? Well, three months ago, it did. I ordered a Nexus 7. Out of nowhere, providers and the regular and sometimes driver restrictive device makers were out of the picture as well. It was now Google, myself and xda. I can now decide how my device will be used. I alone will determine how my experience will unfold, with the blessing of the company who created it. I work very hard for my money. And for the first time, I actually feel that I fully own the devices that I purchased. You rent an iPhone. You own an Android.
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whosgotlag said:
Hi guys, so apparently I've given the impression that I'm a conceited **** on these boards. I like to think that I'm not, so first off I'd like to just apologize for the way I've come across, and now that my ban is removed I'll be using these boards with the intention that they were given; to discuss Android, Skyrocket, and all things related. No more flaming. You'll just have to see if I follow through.
So, that aside I'd like to ask for your help developers/users. I'm writing my final paper on XDA-Developers (we have to analyze a digital public sphere, Google Habermas public sphere for more information, and write a paper on a specific line of inquiry about a commons based peer production) and my line of inquiry is essentially, how this massive community falls together without the guidance of Google.
They essentially just release Android code to public, and all of this happened. No one at Google told CM to exist, or any of the wonderful ROM creators/porters that exist on this board, and no one told us users to install these ROMs. So if you could write up WHY you guys do it, it'd be incredibly helpful. I'm talking about anything from a 800 word speech about open-source and the message behind it, to just being bored, to just liking the looks of your phone, to just being part of the community.
Thanks, and again I'm sorry for previous interactions.
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I'm an old computer guy... It's always been about 'bigger, better, faster'. When the 'smart phones' came out, I figured I could reprogram them. They seemed to be tiny, Linux based computers. While researching my project, I found XDA... A whole bunch of folks with the same idea.
I'm now retired, (which is really cool but you can get incredibly bored)... SO, I tweak my phones for fun. My son broke his HTC OneX so we had to take it to AT&T to get a replacement. The sales person saw my Skyrocket with JB on it when I answered a text from my bud (JellyBean is not officially available for the skyrocket yet)... EVERY person in the store HAD to see my phone. Even the manager came out to look. Rather than tell me my warranty was void, they all loved it. The only question the manager asked is if I know how to return it to stock (in case I needed warranty work done) THAT'S why I do it... Bigger, better, faster... & the 'WOW' factor. On a side note, I've made several new friends AND I've learned a LOT about coding and such. I've always been cursed with not only needing to know HOW something works but also the need to know WHY it's got to be that way.
As far as the 'flaming' & 'bashing' goes, that's all part of the camaraderie & tomfoolery that goes on in any group. For those who do it in a non constructive manner, no offense is ever taken on my part. Karma WILL take its toll... LOL
Good luck with the paper. I'd love to read the finished product.
There's an old adage among us old 'bikers' that also applies to this question: "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand"