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We were lucky.
Google's security measures were pathetic and still are, but now, it has come to their attention that the security measures pose more of a problem than before. Google is attempted to block ADP users from having access to the market due to their potential to download any app for free.
Now, it has come to their attention that RC33 root users have the same ability. Security is now a top priority when it comes to google. They already have cupcake ready to go, that's done.
Google's probably realized by now that their security measures are simply pathetic. We're going to have to step up our game as they step up theirs.
What's the error you're getting? I'm getting that to visit checkout.google.com to fix the problem.
EDIT: That only happens with one app... ? Umm, do you have proof that they are blocking ADP users?
you're lucky. they probably filter ip's too. i can't even list paid apps.. (not from US)
Honestly how hard could it be to encrypt an app and get a certificate update for the premium apps you purchased to decrypt them every time your phone syncs with Google?
Root is google's problem right now.
No matter what they do with the premium apps, they can be cracked by root users.
Buy the app, pull the .zip, crack it. Refund the app. Throw it back in the phone and install.
End of story.
Google needs to eliminate root. We have the advantage of course.
We already have root, and we are hacking which is much easier than defending.
Google knows this, which is apparent from their android forums.
It's easier for google to tie the app to user's gmail account. So the app will only run if it's on a "I purcheased this" list... harder to crack if they add a file signature on top of that.
P.S.:
If google want's to hire me they know where to find me.. hehehe.
Can you elaborate or provide any info on what you are talkinng about before I close this thread?
I have an adp and rc33 phone, neither are having issues with the market.
neoobs said:
Can you elaborate or provide any info on what you are talkinng about before I close this thread?
I have an adp and rc33 phone, neither are having issues with the market.
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i could say what to do but hmm ;o( dont wanna argue with no one
It's not paid apps. ADPs can't see protected apps on the market.
like which apps ? yes i know "protected" but wich one is protected so i can go and test cuz i was in the market few mins ago had no issues x_x
Seems to be more of a bug in the protection option rather than some thing google's doing to ban the sales of apps to adp customers.. there's a few related posts on the google groups site..
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like which apps ? yes i know "protected" but wich one is protected so i can go and test cuz i was in the market few mins ago had no issues x_x
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Bettercut is a popular protected app. Can you see it? (if you have a rooted rc33 and you're in the US you should see it)
Its Google's own fault that we all have root.....they made one mistake...then we hacked it and exploited it to a extreme extent.
Rooted phones only take updates signed with test keys right...
So couldn't Google sign one of there O.T.A. updates with test keys and get rid of out root?
Well, they could but then how would they explain it to users without rooted phones who's phones were keep on rebooting and failing to install the test-key signed updates due to the method that Google can use to force the OTA updates?
And what about the users with ADP's? I'm pretty sure that Google wouldn't want to piss them off by forcing them to install a root-less regular update.
Ehhh Yea That Makes It Very Unlikely That Google Will Ever Do It ....But If They Ever Decide That Root Is A Serous Problem Then Its A Possibility
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Bettercut is a popular protected app. Can you see it? (if you have a rooted rc33 and you're in the US you should see it)
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yeah i see it, yes i have rooted rc33 and im in the us
there is no such thing as a crack-proof app. Every app can be cracked if you have the right skills. As soon as paid apps get going there will be loads of places online offering app downloads, just wait and see.
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Security is now a top priority when it comes to google. They already have cupcake ready to go, that's done.
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do you have some sort of incredible inside information that no one else knows about?
how do you know 'cupcake' is done and ready to go? last i heard they were no where near completion.
Most of the paid apps are a joke anyways. I bet I could make a program called Dont buy this app! and sell it for a buck and still sell a **** ton of them.
Please, I think your being a bit over dramatic here, Google can't take actions too far because it would really kill the whole point of android being an open source, for developers phone.
While sure they can always up the security, but theres always going to be a way inside the program unless they wanted to lock down making and installing new apps. If they wanted that they wouldn't add an option to install thirdy party apps.
Thread is closed until further info.
This looks to be a problem with developers and a feature they are trying to implement but failing. If you have an issue please contact the developer of the app.
My Samsung Vibrant I bought on Wednesday was stolen last night out of my car. I'm slowing running out of options on tracking it and getting it back. I'm pissed.
In order to protect my other phone, HTC HD2 with Froyo, I want to invest in some security software and found PhoneLocator Pro. I've downloaded it off the market and really like how it works.
I'm concerned however if, by some other unlucky chance this phone gets stolen too, that if the burglar hard-resets the phone. Will this app become entirely useless in this case?
Or another question is what stolen phone locating app / anything do you guys recommend? I want to make sure I'll have any way of getting my property back.
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My Samsung Vibrant I bought on Wednesday was stolen last night out of my car. I'm slowing running out of options on tracking it and getting it back. I'm pissed.
In order to protect my other phone, HTC HD2 with Froyo, I want to invest in some security software and found PhoneLocator Pro. I've downloaded it off the market and really like how it works.
I'm concerned however if, by some other unlucky chance this phone gets stolen too, that if the burglar hard-resets the phone. Will this app become entirely useless in this case?
Or another question is what stolen phone locating app / anything do you guys recommend? I want to make sure I'll have any way of getting my property back.
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If system apps persist through hard reset (apks in /system/app), and you install it as such (root) there is a possibility you should be OK. However, I think that the settings would be erased and therefore leave it useless. I will give it a test and see as I am curious as well.
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So I can confirm that although the app does persist through a factory reset, it is useless, lol. I know that PLLocator Pro can backup / restore settings from the SD card but before even getting to that point the app it fails the license check and does not proceed. Oh well.
On a side note, make sure you have it installed as a system app (/system/app) in order to use the "activate gps remotely" feature.
Avast! Mobile Security has hard-reset proof storage of settings and other useful security stuff. And it's free, so it's amazing value for the money .
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.avast.android.mobilesecurity
I use SeekDroid Lite. It's free also, so check it out:
https://market.android.com/details?id=org.gtmedia.seekdroid.lite
avast hands down i have tested every feature of this app on my phones and it is flawless and its free dont be fooled this is the best you can get when you install it install as direct write (you must be rooted ) any ? just inbox me i will be glad to help
if it helps please hit thanks button
Avast is epic. I only miss the photo feature and web interface from PLPro but I have my custom lockscreen back, thanks!
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I have about two weeks experience with Android OS and as a software developer I will be interested to know the technical details behind the Android OS.
I have already noticed this is possible to upgrade applications ported with the handset's ROM i.e. the Market app. This raised the question to me why can't I uninstall applications from the ROM without rooting or risking my handset's warranty to achieve this?
Is my expectation as a user of computers for 20 years unreasonable to think in 2010 with all software development and technological advances the uninstall feature should have been in Android OS from day one?
This is not exactly like Google is the first company in the world developed an OS to just the lack of experience with what users would want. From what I have seen so far in world of Android is that, the first thing users would want to know how to root their handset to remove packages that they have no use for.
My guess is that Google doesn't want users removing Systems apps. I'm assuming that they think that these applications are core and thus don't want you removing them. Remove the market, no more apps... or way to get it back etc.
Applications installed by you can be uninstalled, I'm just thinking it is the same as in windows, you can't uninstall the task manager etc (Bad example but meh =P)
Very simple - to prevent lay users from removing critical components.
Can you imagine the service costs involved in reparing devices that that have been damaged by people trying to remove bloatware?
They still give you the option to restore.
OK DISREGUARD THIS AS I MISSED THE PART ABOUT NEEDING TO ROOT!
They can be removed but its not recommended to do so without know EXACTLY what your removing and weather is vital to your phones operating system.
BUT in order to do so your phone needs root access, and root explorer installed. There are several forums on just about all android support sites that explain how to root, install the manager, and which apps/files NOT to remove.
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They can be removed but its not recommended to do so without know EXACTLY what your removing and weather is vital to your phones operating system.
BUT in order to do so your phone needs root access, and root explorer installed. There are several forums on just about all android support sites that explain how to root, install the manager, and which apps/files NOT to remove.
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Ye u can remove almost every stock app but this may affect the stability of your phone, modifying your phone always comes with the option restoring it back to default. If something goes wrong with moding (something really hard and extraordinary rare ) u can restore it. Browsing through Xda might solve many questions, we all didn't wanted stock rom (not because it was bad, because we can have s omething better. This community has VERY VERY good developers.
Androids own!!!
One thing I still don't get is...
How can Google upgrade Market app without the su privilage but the rest of the world has to root their phones to remove bloatware such as 'amazon mp3'?
@ftgg99: How much bloatware in Windows cost Microsoft or PC manufacturers? None in fact they get paid to include them with your hardware. However, I see an issue with mobile devices. You have already paid for the ROM storage, the bigger ROM size is the more expensive your handset would be, then the manufacturer uses your already paid ROM to make even more money by installing bloatware. I would be a fool to think manufacturers would pass on a percentage of the bloatware earnings by reducing the cost of their products to the consumers in this model.
The way I see it, the burden has been put on the communities such as xda. Users wouldn't ask the manufacturers how to root their handsets and this is left to the dedicated individuals to overcome the mess compnies normally leave us with. I'm not going to say the mess is a cost saving measure by companies.
The thing is that there are a lot more people buy and use phones than computers. After someone buys a smart phone with intention to use for calls, text, web and to use some apps, they realize the possibilities of the smart phone, they start digging in to the files, therefore Google blocked the root folder from modifying, otherwise Google would have to repair warrantied phones that didn't have to end up there just because people didn't know or care what they did. But if you got passed ROOTING, you must know what you are doing and from this point you can modify files and apps, but now ROOTING becomes too easy.
Basically just because too many juveniles got their hands on the equipment.
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One thing I still don't get is...
How can Google upgrade Market app without the su privilage but the rest of the world has to root their phones to remove bloatware such as 'amazon mp3'?
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I'm also very interested to read the answer for this one!
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One thing I still don't get is...
How can Google upgrade Market app without the su privilage but the rest of the world has to root their phones to remove bloatware such as 'amazon mp3'?
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I'm also very interested to read the answer for this one!
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The answer, from my point of view, is quite simple: they just upgrade the application on /data/app ON TOP of the /system/app default Market version. So, you can always go back to your "default" version just by "uninstalling updates".
Summary: they do not upgrade the Market form ROM, just install the new version on top.
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I have about two weeks experience with Android OS and as a software developer I will be interested to know the technical details behind the Android OS.
I have already noticed this is possible to upgrade applications ported with the handset's ROM i.e. the Market app. This raised the question to me why can't I uninstall applications from the ROM without rooting or risking my handset's warranty to achieve this?
Is my expectation as a user of computers for 20 years unreasonable to think in 2010 with all software development and technological advances the uninstall feature should have been in Android OS from day one?
This is not exactly like Google is the first company in the world developed an OS to just the lack of experience with what users would want. From what I have seen so far in world of Android is that, the first thing users would want to know how to root their handset to remove packages that they have no use for.
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Have you tried to work with iPhone(don't know about iPhone 4)? They build fortress around their system and even the apps you install cannot be uninstalled until you gailbrake it and use 3rd party installer to uninstall. And not talking about the "MONOPLY" they run with AT&T.
I thought that I would ask this question and then see what everyone has to offer.
I recently rooted my LG Volt phone and all is well. My next step is to take off some of the 'Bloatware' that came installed on the phone from VM.
My Question is HOW? and WHAT?
I know I would like to remove CHROME browser but not sure how. I know there are a lot of other apps that could come off that I'm not aware of that just slow down the phone and take up space. Has anyone ever developed a definitive list of the 'possible' bloatware that is installed on phones.
I'm afraid to remove some things incase it is required to operate the phone. So something that is critical to the phone operation should not be included on the list.
Once a list is developed than I could check against it to see what it is possible to remove.
Second part is how. Since my phone is rooted it should be fairly easy but not sure exactly how and to make sure I got all of a piece of software removed or am I leaving something behind that is more wasted space.
This, I would think, would be very useful to amateurs like myself.
JimReid said:
I thought that I would ask this question and then see what everyone has to offer.
I recently rooted my LG Volt phone and all is well. My next step is to take off some of the 'Bloatware' that came installed on the phone from VM.
My Question is HOW? and WHAT?
I know I would like to remove CHROME browser but not sure how. I know there are a lot of other apps that could come off that I'm not aware of that just slow down the phone and take up space. Has anyone ever developed a definitive list of the 'possible' bloatware that is installed on phones.
I'm afraid to remove some things incase it is required to operate the phone. So something that is critical to the phone operation should not be included on the list.
Once a list is developed than I could check against it to see what it is possible to remove.
Second part is how. Since my phone is rooted it should be fairly easy but not sure exactly how and to make sure I got all of a piece of software removed or am I leaving something behind that is more wasted space.
This, I would think, would be very useful to amateurs like myself.
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install app called (system app remover) ....about WHAT : you need to un-install the apps that you don't need but doesn't harm the phone ....like if you are on Samsung phone or sony....you need to un-install chrome and Samsung store ....play groups...
simply my man you can un-install all the apps that shows in your app drawer ...else than that don't remove any thing
good luck :good:
I tried doing a search and couldn't find a relevant thread, but I have a few questions...
OK first, the issue that brings me here is the only web browser that I like (Boat) has long been dead and out of development, it's long not been on the play store but I've had the APK for a long time and just transfered it to every new phone I got so I could keep using it. I have tried finding a different browser, but I hate them all, none of them have any of the features I want. My last phone was running Android 9.0 and Boat was still working on it. Well, I got a new phone now (Pixel 4a 5g) that has Android 11 and boat still mostly works... except it crashes if I click the bar at the top to type in a URL and a few other bugs... but otherwise still works flawlessly.
1. So, I'm wondering first is it even OK for someone to look to hire a developer to basically update a dead app? Any website and contact information for the original developer no longer exists, but I don't know if it's OK for someone to take over a dead app like that, if it would be considered stealing or something.
2. Second, well if it's OK... I have the last APKs of the browser and I had used a guide to deconstruct the APK into a project thinking maybe I can figure it out and how to update it so that it still works but... yeah that's not happening. So I have the APK files and the already deconstructed into a project and was wondering where I can ask about hiring a developer just to basically update the app so that it still works (bug fixes only, not really making any changes to the look/feel/etc, just fix any bugs or code that's old and deprecated and doesn't work anymore)? And when I say hire, I mean like actually hire, with real money.
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I tried doing a search and couldn't find a relevant thread, but I have a few questions...
OK first, the issue that brings me here is the only web browser that I like (Boat) has long been dead and out of development, it's long not been on the play store but I've had the APK for a long time and just transfered it to every new phone I got so I could keep using it. I have tried finding a different browser, but I hate them all, none of them have any of the features I want. My last phone was running Android 9.0 and Boat was still working on it. Well, I got a new phone now (Pixel 4a 5g) that has Android 11 and boat still mostly works... except it crashes if I click the bar at the top to type in a URL and a few other bugs... but otherwise still works flawlessly.
1. So, I'm wondering first is it even OK for someone to look to hire a developer to basically update a dead app? Any website and contact information for the original developer no longer exists, but I don't know if it's OK for someone to take over a dead app like that, if it would be considered stealing or something.
2. Second, well if it's OK... I have the last APKs of the browser and I had used a guide to deconstruct the APK into a project thinking maybe I can figure it out and how to update it so that it still works but... yeah that's not happening. So I have the APK files and the already deconstructed into a project and was wondering where I can ask about hiring a developer just to basically update the app so that it still works (bug fixes only, not really making any changes to the look/feel/etc, just fix any bugs or code that's old and deprecated and doesn't work anymore)? And when I say hire, I mean like actually hire, with real money.
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First topic is about licence agreement and legal stuff. It is owned by "Boatmob, Inc." / "Digital Life International Limited" / "Crunchbase Inc.". Although the app was for free, it does not seem to be a free licences. But I am not an expert in this area.
About the browser app itself, I have seen that you were already active here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/boat-browser.3821682/
You either need a permission of the owning company and then maintain the app yourself (or via a hired dev), or you have to switch to another and still actively supported browser app.