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Should I buy one now

Hi All,
I was wondering what you guys think of the phone now 8 months down the line. I am getting this at a good price around £650 for a good condition used phone on ebay. I was wondering if you guys think most of its problems have been fixed by now.
Just to give you a background, I currently have a note 9 and frankly I am very happy with this phone but it is old now and I am itching to upgrade to something newer, primarily for the cameras and 120hz refresh rate. I did buy the S21 ultra on pre-order but was really disappointed with the camera performance as I found the images my exynos variant produced to be very soft and noisy and not as sharp/clear as my note 9 and overall the phone felt like a big compromise (no s-pen, no sd card, no headphone jack) after paying £1300, so I sent it back. The camera and screen are the primary reasons for me to upgrade and I expect at least decent battery life (maybe 6-7 hours SOT with youtube abd browsing). I do use the S-Pen every now and then and think it would be a good to have. I know the note 20 ultra doesnt support WQHD+ and 120hz at the same time but at the price im getting it at i think this is a compromise i am willing to make since i mostly use my phone at FHD+ anyway and I can barely tell the difference.
I know there was talk about the exynos variant being bad when compared to the SD 865+ version but frankly I am not a gamer and dont need my phone to be ultra powerful. But what i would like to know from you guys is whether the software updates over the past 8 months have fixed most of the issues with battery life and camera performance. Those of you coming from the s10 range or the note 10+ / Note 9 etc. How would you say the camera is on the Note 20 U? Do you guys think its a good buy now? Or should I just give it a miss and hang on to the note 9 till they stop the security patches? Any advise is appreciated.

I have a mate who upgraded from the Note 9 to the Note 20 Ultra. He was VERY impressed with the differences...
He has the Exynos variant but when there is no other phones to compare but what you already have he's happy...
It all comes down to you, go to a store, play with a demo version and make up your mind.

I've upgraded from S10e Exynos with 4,5 screen on time maximum and terrible idle battery drain to Note 20 Ultra Snapdragon. First week was thinking to give it back because it was too big for me and those rounded edges always made me typos. Then I've get used to it, set the keyboard paddings from edges and finally bought nice case (I never used any cases before) and now I'm totally happy with it. I as far as I've read it's almost impossible to get 7-8 screen on time on Exynos variant. I got around 7 on my Snapdragon version but never tested it with gaming so I can not tell yet how good the battery is. I can tell that Qualcomm modem is much better in sense of keeping good connection and speed and very good keeping battery in idle state. Considering the camera - it's much better that in my old S10e ofcourse but I don't use it often so can't say I care about it much. What I love about my new Note 20 ultra Snapdragon is I've rooted it to tweak some small things here and there and now totally feel it's mine. I've rooted my past phones around 5 years ago last time.
Not sure if anything I said will help you but if you have any questions I would be glad to answer.

Thanks guys really useful. As mentioned I don't really need a new phone as my current phone does pretty much what I need it to. But I am itching to upgrade and I don't want to end up being stuck with something that I feel is not as good as my current phone. I currently average 4-5 hours screen on time on my 2 year old note 9 which I think is good for an old phone so hoping to get more. The S21U was good battery wise I got 7 hours SOT with 10% remaining. But the cameras were a let down for the price. I might just wait a couple of months and pick one used if they fix the camera with software updates as the price difference doesn't seem that much like a barely used S21U is going for around 850 on ebay so might be worth the extra 200 vs the note 20 ultra. Especially because I heard a lot of bad things about the n20u battery in particular.

Hi, @eldrid
I upgraded (downgraded considering the cost/storage, lol) from the Note9 (512GB) to the Note20 Ultra (128GB) with Android 11/One UI 3.1.
Have you considered replacing the battery in your Note9? Maybe have the battery replaced and purchase the N20U?
I don't use the camera much, but hopefully one of the forum members will give you some feedback on the N9 vs N20U cameras.
I can hear the Note20 Ultra camera *rattle* but I think this is normal??
If you purchase the N20, you may not want to update the phone to Android 11 (scoped storage, bugs galore, etc...).
I enjoy using the N9 more than the N20U because of the OS and the apps function without issue.
I detest Android 11, ahem, and think it contributes to my attitude of the N20U. N9 is the Beast!

I haven't had note 9 earlier but for me the note 20 ultra is perfect.
We get 1080p with 120hz (sure only 1080p but battery friendly and do you even notice higher res on regular basis?)
Sdcard slot, perfect for pictures, movies, big files and so on, also very easy to swap. (cloud exist but what about vacation or if u got limited data)
Very good cameras, still one of the best out there.
Very good performance with snapdragon 865+, even the exynos one is good. Recent updates have made it better than release version.
S-pen in a slot, no ugly weird case and all functions works perfectly.
The design is also very modern and future proof, I mean the front is almost all display.
People even speculate that this could be the last note ever, so if I were u, I would really consider note 20u if u liked your note 9 and want something better.

I've had my Note 20 Ultra Exynos version since launch, and it's a lot better now than it was when it first came out in both battery life & performance, I also don't game on phone's so it's been more than fine for me.
The camera has also been on point for me as well I've not been disappointed with any pictures or videos I've taken with it.
For 650 quid i think it's well worth it for what you get.

Thanks a ton guys for the honest advice. I finally picked an almost new one for £650 on ebay. They offer a 30 day return so fingers crossed i hope it works out. I won't be selling my note 9 just yet so I will have some time to compare side by side and see what it's like. I am sure it's an upgrade in many regards. But the three key things for me are 1)screen and I'm sure that's great I don't use wqhd and will be perfectly happy with the adaptive 1080 120hz. 2)The cameras... This is one area I am not sure how it will be... This is a very subjective area but I like my images to be sharp and I noticed on the S21U the images were soft and fuzzy not crisp like on the note 9. And 3) is battery life... I still get around 5 hours from the note 9 which is great so I hope to get at least that much. Will keep you guys posted on how it goes over the next few days. I feel like @650 there won't be much to complain about. I was really upset with the s21 ultra as I had paid full price for it and it (£1300) and it felt like a downgrade. Seems like the more modern Samsung phones while powerful are compromising on the basics and are not what they used to be 2 years ago.

Finally got the note20u and frankly I am quite happy with it. I am getting pretty good SOT and plus i used Bluetooth headphones for at least an hour. Considering that I think the battery life is good. Also the camera software seems to be ironed out and the image sharpness is much better than the current image quality on the S21U 1st pic is from note 20u and 2nd from s21u. Overall I think it was a good buy. I would never recommend anyone buying a Samsung phone at launch as the software is very unpolished and you pay a huge amount for an unfinished product. Comparing the experience i have with this nearly new note 20u for 650 is great compared to the ****ty experience the s21u offers for £1200 plus no sd card support or charger in the box. Very good value overall at £650

I upgraded from my still pristine Note 9 and found it a very worthy successor. From the enhanced Dex and S-pen features to the improved cameras, the Note 20 Ultra has provided me with a great user experience. Given Samsung's quest for becoming more -like and shedding features left and right, the Note 20 Ultra is the closest to what the Note line once was: the no holds barred, everything but the kitchen sink, no compromises, Note. I don't know if there is a Note 21 Ultra in the works and if there is it will probably include less features than the Note 20 Ultra offers.

Medevac1 said:
I upgraded from my still pristine Note 9 and found it a very worthy successor. From the enhanced Dex and S-pen features to the improved cameras, the Note 20 Ultra has provided me with a great user experience. Given Samsung's quest for becoming more -like and shedding features left and right, the Note 20 Ultra is the closest to what the Note line once was: the no holds barred, everything but the kitchen sink, no compromises, Note. I don't know if there is a Note 21 Ultra in the works and if there is it will probably include less features than the Note 20 Ultra offers.
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Absolutely agree. Probably why i was finding it hard to part with my note 9 as well. What a great 0 compromise device. I really hate how Samsung were originally the anti apple and a premium alternative for those that didn't want to chain themselves to apple. But now they're becoming more like apple taking away our choice.
Rumours are that there will be a watered down fan edition only this year and that the s-pen toting phone is going to be the fold from now on. If its true its a poor farewell to the note. I say they should bring back the headphone jack, sd card and pack the box with goodies. Make the whole experience of buying a premium flagship feel premium again.

eldrid said:
Absolutely agree. Probably why i was finding it hard to part with my note 9 as well. What a great 0 compromise device. I really hate how Samsung were originally the anti apple and a premium alternative for those that didn't want to chain themselves to apple. But now they're becoming more like apple taking away our choice.
Rumours are that there will be a watered down fan edition only this year and that the s-pen toting phone is going to be the fold from now on. If its true its a poor farewell to the note. I say they should bring back the headphone jack, sd card and pack the box with goodies. Make the whole experience of buying a premium flagship premium again.
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The 10+ was the last Note before Q. After Q things started going south and 11 is even worse.
Between Android and Samsung's "improvements" it's been a dismal year.
Everything's coming up psuedo Apples... and I mean that in the most derogatory way.
As for the Fold series it has been a self made disaster for Samsung. Overpriced and unreliable.
Samsung, you do know the definition of insanity don't you? Apparently not.

Late to the party here but I'm happy with my N20 Ultra 5G Snapdragon soc I imported from Hong Kong.
I wouldn't of been keen to buy a used phone from ebay due to the amount that get imei locked a few weeks / months after receiving it.

BandOfBrothers1 said:
I wouldn't of been keen to buy a used phone from ebay due to the amount that get imei locked a few weeks / months after receiving it.
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How can you avoid that from happening 100%?
Is it that common?

blackhawk said:
How can you avoid that from happening 100%?
Is it that common?
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It's something I've come across way too often throughout the years on forums.
A person sells a phone on ebay and then fraudulently claims it lost or stolen.
Auction Sites need to tighten up and introduce even more protection for the buyer as well as the seller.

BandOfBrothers1 said:
It's something I've come across way too often throughout the years on forums.
A person sells a phone on ebay and then fraudulently claims it lost or stolen.
Auction Sites need to tighten up and introduce even more protection for the buyer as well as the seller.
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Doing that in the USA be incurring multiple federal felonies.

BandOfBrothers1 said:
Late to the party here but I'm happy with my N20 Ultra 5G Snapdragon soc I imported from Hong Kong.
I wouldn't of been keen to buy a used phone from ebay due to the amount that get imei locked a few weeks / months after receiving it.
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Damn didn't know that happens. I got mine from a business seller with 100% ratings so looks like hes been at it for a while with no issues. He claims the phones are customer returns from the official Samsung store and would barely have any usage if at all. And everything looked the part it seemed brand spanking new, scratchless and even no signs wear or dust in the usb c port. Also he had a whole batch of 7-8 to sell so everything sounded legit. Let's hope everything works out well.
On a separate note. I thought id use the phone without a screen protector for a few days while the tempered glass one I ordered arrives and so removed the factory one. After a day or so i have already noticed a couple of micro scratches on the screen visible at certain angles. This is with careful use at home. I feel like this whole gorilla glass thing is just market hype.

blackhawk said:
Doing that in the USA be incurring multiple federal felonies.
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. The only reason someone would do that is to be malicious and most people are not. I doubt the seller has a personal vendetta against you. He got his money and will move on.
I have had the N20U since release and have no issues and at this point is a good as it gets functionally.

The Note is Dead?

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/sams...46294c8b77c&lctg=11155348&M_BT=62222618014014

Probably not the end of the Note series. Don't expect to see one in 2022 though. Samsung has always been goofy... this year has been a disaster for Samsung and the Android OS.
Between Samsung and Google dropping the ball, I said screw this and will be getting my second new 10+ N975U tomorrow. Zero learning curve means I get to have fun with it instead of troubleshooting it.
In my opinion Pie and the 10+ are still the zenith of both Android and the Samsung Note series.
Fast, drop dead gorgeous, rock solid stable with very little maintenance. So far I have replaced the battery on my heavy used current 10+ and the OS load is over a year old. 8-12 hours of SOT.
The build quality on the 10+ is excellent; it still looks and runs like new.
Good as it gets

blackhawk said:
Fast, drop dead gorgeous, rock solid stable with very little maintenance. So far I have replaced the battery on my heavy used current 10+ and the OS load is over a year old. 8-12 hours of SOT.
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How do you replace the battery? Do you have a cell phone repair store do it? (I assume they are not user replaceable)

JeffATL said:
How do you replace the battery? Do you have a cell phone repair store do it? (I assume they are not user replaceable)
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I saw it done and learned from that. Not that hard if you know how to do it and take your time.
You need the battery, OEM rear cover seal, various picks, drivers, heat plate or gun, anhydrous isopropyl alcohol/syringe.

Cannot say whether it is really dead or not. Samsung has been diminishing the series with various features being implemented into the Galaxy series.
I may not use it much, but I like have the S-pen integrated in the phone. I use cheap cases with my Notes, that do not have external slots for the pen.
My biggest issue is the recent lost of the micro SD card slot. Forever reason, my cell service carrier does not offer multiple memory options; usually the smallest. I also did not like when removable batteries were lost. People keep buying them nonetheless.
I think the Note may be a victim of too many versions. The Series has everything the Note does, except the S-pen bay. Some slight difference is shape. They also offer more affordable models that work for my others with less features than the Note or Series. My guess is that the Note was not hitting sales targets well enough.
It's possible they may create a new model series that replaces the Note. May offer a Series version that does include the things that made Note popular.

lovekeiiy said:
Cannot say whether it is really dead or not. Samsung has been diminishing the series with various features being implemented into the Galaxy series.
I may not use it much, but I like have the S-pen integrated in the phone. I use cheap cases with my Notes, that do not have external slots for the pen.
My biggest issue is the recent lost of the micro SD card slot. Forever reason, my cell service carrier does not offer multiple memory options; usually the smallest. I also did not like when removable batteries were lost. People keep buying them nonetheless.
I think the Note may be a victim of too many versions. The Series has everything the Note does, except the S-pen bay. Some slight difference is shape. They also offer more affordable models that work for my others with less features than the Note or Series. My guess is that the Note was not hitting sales targets well enough.
It's possible they may create a new model series that replaces the Note. May offer a Series version that does include the things that made Note popular.
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The S2x and Note should be merged. For example, make the S22 Ultra have a slot for the S-Pen

JeffATL said:
The S2x and Note should be merged. For example, make the S22 Ultra have a slot for the S-Pen
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Stupid Samsung. The Note was always a flagship power user device. The marketing morons thought they could expand it's appeal by down playing that. A big phone with lots of bells and whistles for everyone.
Now even the customers are confused and want Samsung to jam a spen into every Samsung. Let the spen orgy begin
I just got my second 10+ so both Samsung and Android can fk off. That will hold me over for another 2-3 years so I don't care how badly they screw up.
Of course that doesn't sell phones... actions have consequences.

blackhawk said:
Stupid Samsung. The Note was always a flagship power user device. The marketing morons thought they could expand it's appeal by down playing that. A big phone with lots of bells and whistles for everyone.
Now even the customers are confused and want Samsung to jam a spen into every Samsung. Let the spen orgy begin
I just got my second 10+ so both Samsung and Android can fk off. That will hold me over for another 2-3 years so I don't care how badly they screw up.
Of course that doesn't sell phones... actions have consequences.
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I'm obsessed right now with getting TMB csc on my N20 Ultra. Its not working . Trying to get help in multiple threads. I might just return it as I bought it this week and have not sent in my s20 trade in yet. I think they blocked it.

JeffATL said:
The S2x and Note should be merged. For example, make the S22 Ultra have a slot for the S-Pen
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I don't disagree with you. When S series was originally released, it was a powerful phone like the Note, but was a little smaller and no S-pen. There would were other differences, but it was more because hardware had advanced. When Samsung started doing to multiple versions of S-series and Note, it basically diminished both.
As someone who's been using a Note since the Note 2, I admitted to being biased. I do not have a really an issue with having an S pen usable on a S-series phone. But Samsung made it an accessory to buy. I think that's kind of nickle and dime kind of thing out of the customers.
If Samsung made the "Note" the S-series Ultra with a pen slot and pin. I'd be ok with it.
On a side note, I really hope they bring back sd card slot. I also hope they'll bring back magnetic secure transmission (MST). I use it a lot. Between that and NFC, I rarely need to use my physical credit card. At some point, almost all stores will use some kind of NFC, but the USA is nowhere near it yet.
Personally, I hope they don't make the Z-fold their main flagship and decided to put the S-pen with it. I think the phone is pretty cool and interesting, but I really don't want a phone like that. I see the folding as a risk for breakage. I rather have a large candy bar.
For now, I'll keep using the Note 20 Ultra. Not sure what I'll do with the battery goes bad or my lease ends. I may buy the phone. Who knows what Samsung will have going when either of those situations occur.

JeffATL said:
I'm obsessed right now with getting TMB csc on my N20 Ultra. Its not working . Trying to get help in multiple threads. I might just return it as I bought it this week and have not sent in my s20 trade in yet. I think they blocked it.
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I'm a bit obsessed now too because my new 10+ came today loaded with Android 10 rather than 9.
What should have been a easy seamless switch going between them is now a lame tap dance.
I was looking at the N20 U's and see how your problem could easily happen. Too many variants and the sellers are deliberately not posting full specs. One of the reasons I rejected the 20U.
I know where you can pick up a new 10+ N975U1 for $800 free 2 day shipping stateside. Lol, it's going to be running on Android 10 though. No connection issues; my AT&T sim card brought it straight online.
Many sellers are doing screwball things with the 10+'s too.
Meh... I would send the 20U back for a full refund. There may be more rude surprises.

lovekeiiy said:
I don't disagree with you. When S series was originally released, it was a powerful phone like the Note, but was a little smaller and no S-pen. There would were other differences, but it was more because hardware had advanced. When Samsung started doing to multiple versions of S-series and Note, it basically diminished both.
As someone who's been using a Note since the Note 2, I admitted to being biased. I do not have a really an issue with having an S pen usable on a S-series phone. But Samsung made it an accessory to buy. I think that's kind of nickle and dime kind of thing out of the customers.
If Samsung made the "Note" the S-series Ultra with a pen slot and pin. I'd be ok with it.
On a side note, I really hope they bring back sd card slot. I also hope they'll bring back magnetic secure transmission (MST). I use it a lot. Between that and NFC, I rarely need to use my physical credit card. At some point, almost all stores will use some kind of NFC, but the USA is nowhere near it yet.
Personally, I hope they don't make the Z-fold their main flagship and decided to put the S-pen with it. I think the phone is pretty cool and interesting, but I really don't want a phone like that. I see the folding as a risk for breakage. I rather have a large candy bar.
For now, I'll keep using the Note 20 Ultra. Not sure what I'll do with the battery goes bad or my lease ends. I may buy the phone. Who knows what Samsung will have going when either of those situations occur.
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Exactly , the S22 Standard, FE (if there is one) and Plus should not have S-Pen, but if just the Ultra had it and had a slot it would be king of the castle.
I agree about the Fold3 , it also does not have a slot.
Unfortunately I don't think microSD slot is coming back, its gone the way of the IR Blaster I miss from the s6

JeffATL said:
... Unfortunately I don't think microSD slot is coming back, its gone the way of the IR Blaster I miss from the s6
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I agree about the SD card slot. All the more reason to get people to buy/subscribe into cloud storage systems.
I forgot about the IR blaster. I did not use it much on my Note4, but I did like it. That could still be useful today. Many media appliances have some kind of app or internet interface, so it's usefulness becomes more diminished by the year.

JeffATL said:
Unfortunately I don't think microSD slot is coming back, its gone the way of the IR Blaster I miss from the s6
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Samsung is feeling the heat. 2021 is a bust for Samsung as far as phone sales go.
They have no one to blame but themselves.
With no SD card slot the phone is dead to me.
I'm adding a 1tb v30 card to my second N10+.
I can fill that, no problem as I actually need 2-3tb of data storage. Even 500gb of internal storage barely meets my minimum needs.
May take a year or two but Samsung will likely bring the SD card slot back as has happen so many times in the past. Cloud storage is no substitute for onboard memory; it wastes battery and bandwidth.
Samsung's ineptness has cost them at least one newly released flagship phone with me, probably two or more by the time it's all said and done.
I can do fine for at least 2-3 more years running the 10+'s.
I don't care...

blackhawk said:
Samsung is feeling the heat. 2021 is a bust for Samsung as far as phone sales go.
They have no one to blame but themselves.
With no SD card slot the phone is dead to me.
I'm adding a 1tb v30 card to my second N10+.
I can fill that, no problem as I actually need 2-3tb of data storage. Even 500gb of internal storage barely meets my minimum needs.
May take a year or two but Samsung will likely bring the SD card slot back as has happen so many times in the past. Cloud storage is no substitute for onboard memory; it wastes battery and bandwidth.
Samsung's ineptness has cost them at least one newly released flagship phone with me, probably two or more by the time it's all said and done.
I can do fine for at least 2-3 more years running the 10+'s.
I don't care...
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I never use that much memory - you load it with 4k movies?

JeffATL said:
I never use that much memory - you load it with 4k movies?
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221gb in wav files alone, lol my CD/HDCD collection in my pocket. My photos are around 1+tb. Data files are around 100gb.
Movies are still the minority simply because I haven't ripped them to hdd.
As far as I'm concerned you can never have enough backup copies...
My actual 10+ app load is deliberately light. Zero social media apps. .

Question Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra vs S21 Ultra: What's the rumored difference?

A blog post by Britta O'Boyle
Samsung is expected to reveal the Galaxy S22 range at Unpacked on 8 February, with the Galaxy S22, Galaxy S22 Plus, and Galaxy S22 Ultra all heavily rumored.
Whilst not yet official, we have heard plenty about the Galaxy S22 Ultra over the last few months. Here is how it is expected to compare to its predecessor - the Galaxy S21 Ultra - based on speculation.
read more on https://www.pocket-lint.com/phones/...y-s22-ultra-vs-s21-ultra-differences-compared

[Info] Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra
See: https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s22/
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Differences. Just off the top of my head,
- Integrated S-Pen
- Better Screen
- Better CPU/GPU
- Better Camera (Software & Hardware)
- More OS Updates
- Likely Better Battery Life
- Likely Faster Internal Memory
- Much better design with no camera island
- Probably much more updates that I can't think of
With all that said, if I had the S21 Ultra, I would not be upgrading. I have the Note 9 and will be upgrading on launch day. S22 Ultra 512 Baby.

eaoosa said:
Differences. Just off the top of my head,
- Integrated S-Pen
- Better Screen
- Better CPU/GPU
- Better Camera (Software & Hardware)
- More OS Updates
- Likely Better Battery Life
- Likely Faster Internal Memory
- Much better design with no camera island
- Probably much more updates that I can't think of
With all that said, if I had the S21 Ultra, I would not be upgrading. I have the Note 9 and will be upgrading on launch day. S22 Ultra 512 Baby.
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Rounded display corners, again? YUCK!!!
No SD card slot, right? Overpriced .5tb max storage capacity single drive don't cut it.
Likely more of the same variable rate display color rendering issues.
Different smartphone, many of the same mistakes.
Not seeing anything that make me want to ditch my N10+'s...
I would wait at least 6 months after release rather than risk suffering buyer's remorse with this puppy. Samsung's been on a losing streak with their flagship phones since the N10+.
Playing with the name and rebranding isn't going to help Sammy... nothing innovative to see here.
At least they ditch the hump... but still has the cam hole in a lame rounded corner display. blah!

blackhawk said:
Rounded display corners, again? YUCK!!!
No SD card slot, right? Overpriced .5tb max storage capacity single drive don't cut it.
Likely more of the same variable rate display color rendering issues.
Different smartphone, many of the same mistakes.
Not seeing anything that make me want to ditch my N10+'s...
I would wait at least 6 months after release rather than risk suffering buyer's remorse with this puppy. Samsung's been on a losing streak with their flagship phones since the N10+.
Playing with the name and rebranding isn't going to help Sammy... nothing innovative to see here.
At least they ditch the hump... but still has the cam hole in a lame rounded corner display. blah!
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Yikes, I'm sorry you feel disappointed with the new model. To be honest, if I had the Note 10+ I would probably wait another year and get the S23 Ultra. I've waited long enough for a new phone and while my Note 9 is just as fast and snappy as the day I bought it (on launch) The cameras are one of the main reason for my upgrade. Considering all my previous Samsung purchases were awesome , other than the the Note 7 which they figured out, ( Galaxy S1, Note 2, Note 4, Note 7, S7E, Note 9), I'll be getting the 512 on launch day.
I currently use the Note 9 128 with my 256GB and I take 4K 60 videos quite a bit and has been fine storage wise so the 512 which is more, should more than suffice. I usually upload to my PC once every two to three months. Cheers!

eaoosa said:
Yikes, I'm sorry you feel disappointed with the new model. To be honest, if I had the Note 10+ I would probably wait another year and get the S23 Ultra. I've waited long enough for a new phone and while my Note 9 is just as fast and snappy as the day I bought it (on launch) The cameras are one of the main reason for my upgrade. Considering all my previous Samsung purchases were awesome , other than the the Note 7 which they figured out, ( Galaxy S1, Note 2, Note 4, Note 7, S7E, Note 9), I'll be getting the 512 on launch day.
I currently use the Note 9 128 with my 256GB and I take 4K 60 videos quite a bit and has been fine storage wise so the 512 which is more, should more than suffice. I usually upload to my PC once every two to three months. Cheers!
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With a N10+ or a N20U you could have over 1tb and a dual drive at that... at a much reduced price. Those are my two recommendations.
Get a Snapdragon and 12gb of ram. 256gb of internal memory is fine, only apps, the DCIM and Download folders should go there anyway. All critical data goes on the data drive ie SD card; a V30 rated Sandisk works well.
Apparently the S22's cams aren't a big improvement over the S21's. To be blunt the N10+'s cams are very good and it has a display that faithfully reproduces them.
I wish I could say Samsung slam dunked it with the S22, but it appears they didn't. So far they are living up to my dire prediction from a few months ago; 2022 is going to be another bad year for Sammy flagships.
I'm less than pleased with Android 11 and 12; they smell like Vista style road kill to me. Since the introduction of variable rate displays the color rendering index has dropped and there are a lot of outright failures and not just Samsung.
The above are 2 reasons I bought a second N10+ running on Q. I have 2 now.
The older one has held up so well that they are hard to tell apart. Zero display degradation is observable and the only repair has been a replacement battery. They are fast, stable, and just plain fun to use. The display is still the best 60hz displays ever produced for a smartphone exceeding Apple's specs as well. It's drop dead gorgeous... with square corners. A good case and plastic screen protector are mandatory for these phones or they will get messed up.
I like to have the faster memory and spen but 5G isn't needed. The N10+ is snappy even with the slower processor and ram. 12gb of ram go a long way to keeping it fast.
I get 8-12 hr SOT so little to gain there. My ancient freeware WPS office runs ok on Android 9/10 but wouldn't on 11/12. That's impossible to replace for free now and it's a valuable app I use constantly.
On top of all that I have a trusted vendor that had new sealed box N10+'s; there's a lot of shenanigans going on with the N20U sales as well as the price. After almost 2.5 years* with the N10+ I like it even more today... so I got a backup with the intention of bypassing both Samsung and Adroid OS upgrades for 2-3 more years.
That was my solution after a lot of research...
*my current OS load will be 2 yo in June. Still fast, stable with minimal maintenance and no upgrades. It's stability impresses me.
It fulfills its mission. I place a very high value on these qualities.

blackhawk said:
With a N10+ or a N20U you could have over 1tb and a dual drive at that... at a much reduced price. Those are my two recommendations.
Get a Snapdragon and 12gb of ram. 256gb of internal memory is fine, only apps, the DCIM and Download folders should go there anyway. All critical data goes on the data drive ie SD card; a V30 rated Sandisk works well.
Apparently the S22's cams aren't a big improvement over the S21's. To be blunt the N10+'s cams are very good and it has a display that faithfully reproduces them.
I wish I could say Samsung slam dunked it with the S22, but it appears they didn't. So far they are living up to my dire prediction from a few months ago; 2022 is going to be another bad year for Sammy flagships.
I'm less than pleased with Android 11 and 12; they smell like Vista style road kill to me. Since the introduction of variable rate displays the color rendering index has dropped and there are a lot of outright failures and not just Samsung.
The above are 2 reasons I bought a second N10+ running on Q. I have 2 now.
The older one has held up so well that they are hard to tell apart. Zero display degradation is observable and the only repair has been a replacement battery. They are fast, stable, and just plain fun to use. The display is still the best 60hz displays ever produced for a smartphone exceeding Apple's specs as well. It's drop dead gorgeous... with square corners. A good case and plastic screen protector are mandatory for these phones or they will get messed up.
I like to have the faster memory and spen but 5G isn't needed. The N10+ is snappy even with the slower processor and ram. 12gb of ram go a long way to keeping it fast.
I get 8-12 hr SOT so little to gain there. My ancient freeware WPS office runs ok on Android 9/10 but wouldn't on 11/12. That's impossible to replace for free now and it's a valuable app I use constantly.
On top of all that I have a trusted vendor that had new sealed box N10+'s; there's a lot of shenanigans going on with the N20U sales as well as the price. After almost 2.5 years* with the N10+ I like it even more today... so I got a backup with the intention of bypassing both Samsung and Adroid OS upgrades for 2-3 more years.
That was my solution after a lot of research...
*my current OS load will be 2 yo in June. Still fast, stable with minimal maintenance and no upgrades. It's stability impresses me.
It fulfills its mission. I place a very high value on these qualities.
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I do understand your frustration with the SD cards but let's be real here. It's been gone from their top end phones for a while now. Just like the headphone jack, I doubt it's coming back. We need to move on. With that said, I'd love for it to come back as I have a Samsung256GB card I'd like to continue to use. I've used that card for more than 4 years without any issues.
I'm glad you really like your Note 10+ Similar to how I like my Note 9. If I had the Note 10+ I doubt I'd be upgrading either. At least for another year. Reason being, I want a 3 camera setup and the 10+ already has that. The main reason for my upgrade as I've said are for the cameras. I absolutely agree they're not going to be drastically better. But that's okay. It's better and definitely better than my Note 9. At this point, most top end phones take stellar photos and it's hard to come up with technology that drastically improves on it. Baby steps.
For this reason, I don't recommend people upgrade every 2 years, much less every year. Phones are getting so nice that we don't need to upgrade them as much as we used to. I started with the Dream G1 lol, then Galaxy S1 etc as mentioned above. I used to upgrade every two years but with the Note 9, I'm already over 3 years. With the S22 Ultra 512, I should be able to keep it for at least 4 years. Good luck to you my friend. Cheers.

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I do understand your frustration with the SD cards but let's be real here. It's been gone from their top end phones for a while now. Just like the headphone jack, I doubt it's coming back. We need to move on. With that said, I'd love for it to come back as I have a Samsung256GB card I'd like to continue to use. I've used that card for more than 4 years without any issues.
I'm glad you really like your Note 10+ Similar to how I like my Note 9. If I had the Note 10+ I doubt I'd be upgrading either. At least for another year. Reason being, I want a 3 camera setup and the 10+ already has that. The main reason for my upgrade as I've said are for the cameras. I absolutely agree they're not going to be drastically better. But that's okay. It's better and definitely better than my Note 9. At this point, most top end phones take stellar photos and it's hard to come up with technology that drastically improves on it. Baby steps.
For this reason, I don't recommend people upgrade every 2 years, much less every year. Phones are getting so nice that we don't need to upgrade them as much as we used to. I started with the Dream G1 lol, then Galaxy S1 etc as mentioned above. I used to upgrade every two years but with the Note 9, I'm already over 3 years. With the S22 Ultra 512, I should be able to keep it for at least 4 years. Good luck to you my friend. Cheers.
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Samsung have been doing this with SD cards on/off since at least 2015. It been a little over a year, give them 2 years to come to their senses.
Samsung bite off more than they could chew with the Fold and there's collateral damage from that effecting their other products.
Samsung never was the most stable corporate creature... but abandoning their power users is a mistake. Too much hype and not enough balls will end badly for them. They are back sliding now on innovation (the Fold was a big mistake). Still the display cam hole and no new high performance batteries that their competitors have been fielding. This will take some time; the rabid box of gerbils has more spacial disorientation than usual

I'm not sure If I'm with you on all that. I think they are doing great as a company and as a side note, they actually won, again, the most innovative company of the year award 2021. Not too surprising as Samsung is a defacto global leader in screen technology, TVs, batteries, and chip design.
I think they're doing a great job leading the field when they debuted the Fold series. I personally would've gotten it if it was employing their ultra level cameras. Another reason I didn't go for it was I'm going to give it some time to thin out.
I dont think you fully understand the size and scope and vision of Samsung when you mention that they are unstable. They are far from being an unstable company. I'd like to reiterate, their phones are fine and doing great. For the most part, they are advancing their phones with each generation. Like a lot of folks, I do wish they kept the SD card, but I'm over that issue. No one really comes close in terms of hardware or software in my humble but accurate opinion.
This post sounds like a paid ad from Samsung lol. But hey, I like to give credit where its due. I like Apple products too but for different reasons.

Xiaomi uses graphene to reduce the battery's internal resistance. Li charging is an endothermic reaction. However the plate and conductors (aluminum & copper) produce a lot of waste heat because of resistance to the high current flow at low voltage. They use even more ingenious methods to decrease charging time.
That's practical innovation.
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blackhawk said:
Xiaomi uses graphene to reduce the battery's internal resistance. Li charging is an endothermic reaction. However the plate and conductors (aluminum & copper) produce a lot of waste heat because of resistance to the high current flow at low voltage. They use even more ingenious methods to decrease charging time.
That's practical innovation.
Xiaomi's 120W Hypercharge is the fastest ever, but is it safe? | Digital Trends
Xiaomi reaches 120W with a combination of revamped charging structure, dual-cell battery, MTW, Mi-FC, and graphene-based battery technology, but is it safe?
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The only thing is, it has one major issue. The battery degradation is absolutely unacceptable to most people as it will lose around half capacity after a year. Until battery degradation is improved upon, most companies will hold off on it. Samsung has been working on this for as long as I remember and will release it when it's ready. Not saying they stole the technology but sort of reminds me when BOE stole Samsung's folding tech and released Huawei's first foldable. We all know how that went. Besides all of that, I personally do my best to buy electronics designed by US, Korea, Japan. Unfortunately, China is not on that list for obvious reasons.

eaoosa said:
The only thing is, it has one major issue. The battery degradation is absolutely unacceptable to most people as it will lose around half capacity after a year. Until battery degradation is improved upon, most companies will hold off on it. Samsung has been working on this for as long as I remember and will release it when it's ready. Not saying they stole the technology but sort of reminds me when BOE stole Samsung's folding tech and released Huawei's first foldable. We all know how that went. Besides all of that, I personally do my best to buy electronics designed by US, Korea, Japan. Unfortunately, China is not on that list for obvious reasons.
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It's up to the user. You don't have to charge them as fast or full as possible.
On a heavy used phone the battery life for standard Li is about a year or so. That's all I expect on my N10+'s.
The idea the battery will last the life of the phone was tossed out the window from the start.
Of course they would wuv you to buy a new phone every year

blackhawk said:
Rounded display corners, again? YUCK!!!
No SD card slot, right? Overpriced .5tb max storage capacity single drive don't cut it.
Likely more of the same variable rate display color rendering issues.
Different smartphone, many of the same mistakes.
Not seeing anything that make me want to ditch my N10+'s...
I would wait at least 6 months after release rather than risk suffering buyer's remorse with this puppy. Samsung's been on a losing streak with their flagship phones since the N10+.
Playing with the name and rebranding isn't going to help Sammy... nothing innovative to see here.
At least they ditch the hump... but still has the cam hole in a lame rounded corner display. blah!
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Glad you are happy with your N10+. Dissing something that hasn't been released yet is silly.

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Differences. Just off the top of my head,
- Integrated S-Pen
- Better Screen
- Better CPU/GPU
- Better Camera (Software & Hardware)
- More OS Updates
- Likely Better Battery Life
- Likely Faster Internal Memory
- Much better design with no camera island
- Probably much more updates that I can't think of
With all that said, if I had the S21 Ultra, I would not be upgrading. I have the Note 9 and will be upgrading on launch day. S22 Ultra 512 Baby.
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Sold my S20+ after ordering a Pixel 6 Pro. The S20+ sold in 2 days. I'm still waiting for the 6 Pro that was ordered on Jan 1 and is now looking like a Mar 2-3 delivery.
I think I'll be following you in ordering the S22 Ultra 512 1TB on launch day.

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Glad you are happy with your N10+. Dissing something that hasn't been released yet is silly.
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The S22U is looking more like raw deal by the week... wait till you see the 512gb price tag
A .5tb V30 card goes for $75.
Will they have a 1tb variant?
Because there will be higher demand for larger storage capacity and no way to supplement it, expect shortages as well.
My second N10+ is 256 vs 512gb but has 12gb of ram. The extra internal storage isn't really needed. I'll likely use a 1tb* SD card with it though. Apps, the DCIM and download folders are the only user items that should be on internal memory. Typically my internal memory usage is around 140gb as such.
*on the PC my data hdd minimum is 2gb

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The S22U is looking more like raw deal by the week... wait till you see the 512gb price tag
A .5tb V30 card goes for $75.
Will they have a 1tb variant?
Because there will be higher demand for larger storage capacity and no way to supplement it, expect shortages as well.
My second N10+ is 256 vs 512gb but has 12gb of ram. The extra internal storage isn't really needed. I'll likely use a 1tb* SD card with it though. Apps, the DCIM and download folders are the only user items that should be on internal memory. Typically my internal memory usage is around 140gb as such.
*on the PC my data hdd minimum is 2gb
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People come here looking for some enthusiastic conversation about a phone they are looking forward to buying. The phone won't be available for another month so what's up with all the gloom and doom? If it isn't for you, don't buy it. Trashing a phone that isn't for sale yet just makes bad vibes here.

blackhawk said:
The S22U is looking more like raw deal by the week... wait till you see the 512gb price tag
A .5tb V30 card goes for $75.
Will they have a 1tb variant?
Because there will be higher demand for larger storage capacity and no way to supplement it, expect shortages as well.
My second N10+ is 256 vs 512gb but has 12gb of ram. The extra internal storage isn't really needed. I'll likely use a 1tb* SD card with it though. Apps, the DCIM and download folders are the only user items that should be on internal memory. Typically my internal memory usage is around 140gb as such.
*on the PC my data hdd minimum is 2gb
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We get it. You love your Note 10+ but let's keep things professional my friend. Yes, it's not going to be cheap. But keep in mind there is a market for these devices. A huge market.

dmb219 said:
People come here looking for some enthusiastic conversation about a phone they are looking forward to buying. The phone won't be available for another month so what's up with all the gloom and doom? If it isn't for you, don't buy it. Trashing a phone that isn't for sale yet just makes bad vibes here.
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Time will tell, but better you than me victim buyer.
I'd wait until September to buy but really I think 2022 will be another lackluster year for Google Adroid and their little Apple sidekick Samsung.
2023-4 might see something worth grabbing.
I was saying that over 4 months ago.
The vibes will be worse if you realize I was correct

eaoosa said:
We get it. You love your Note 10+ but let's keep things professional my friend. Yes, it's not going to be cheap. But keep in mind there is a market for these devices. A huge market.
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Jacking up prices during a global economic downturn may not work out so well.
Huge internal size memories will do what they have in the past, cause shortages, people not getting what they due unavailability and causing even higher prices due to demand.
That silly little SD card slot is an equalizer for the savvy consumer. With it even 128gb internal memory is sufficient if you have 12-16gb of ram.
Without it even 512gb isn't enough... so you're forever watching how you load, download or wasting battery on cloud services. Far less wiggle room with a real big price tag, yeah perfect.

blackhawk said:
Jacking up prices during a global economic downturn may not work out so well.
Huge internal size memories will do what they have in the past, cause shortages, people not getting what they due unavailability and causing even higher prices due to demand.
That silly little SD card slot is an equalizer for the savvy consumer. With it even 128gb internal memory is sufficient if you have 12-16gb of ram.
Without it even 512gb isn't enough... so you're forever watching how you load, download or wasting battery on cloud services. Far less wiggle room with a real big price tag, yeah perfect.
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No one is artificially jacking up prices. You said it yourself... its an economic downturn. We're in a pandemic with global shortages. That's what happens to prices. Besides all that, no one even comes close to the incentives Samsung dishes out for their pre-orders.
And get over it with the SD card. No one will listen to your whines. Equalizer for savvy consumers? Lmao. With that mentality no one would've bought an iPhone. If you can't afford the new phone keep your mouth shut and stop spewing bs.
Tried to show some respect but now that it's pretty clear you're trolling, I'll respond accordingly.

General Samsung S22 Ultra the phone that disappointed me the most.

Hi All
Two years ago I bought a phone, from a slightly lower end than Samsung - that's what I thought at the time, until I started using the Samsung S22 Ultra 512GB a month ago.
That phone was the Oppo Find X2 Pro 512GB. In two years I never did a hard reset! The phone works perfectly, fast, smooth as butter. However, the power button started to fail, so I started thinking about something higher end, more expensive, twice the price, I thought I would get a phone at least twice as good for that price.
Unfortunately, the Samsung is not better, it is several times slower in daily use. It's possible that in tests, the GPU is faster, but in everyday use the Samsung S22 Ultra next to the Oppo Pro X2 Pro looks like a tortoise (Samsung) next to a rabbit (Oppo).
When using the Samsung, I feel like I'm using a Samsung S7? Even my S9 was faster and ran without stuttering. On the Oppo I have more apps, yet it runs faster even when some of the apps, have cached for two years....
I don't know if Samsung can improve something with updates to make the Exynos 2200 run at least as fast as the Snapdragon 865. If not, I will fix the power button on the Oppo in a month or two and sell the Samsung.
An example of why? Google maps - Oppo any route generates without any delay, Samsung sometimes takes a few seconds or so before the route appears. Aliexpress when I browse product photos added by people, Oppo one swipe appears the next photo, no matter how fast I swipe, photo after photo; Samsung - sometimes I have to swipe 2-3 times before the next photo appears, I am not ready for a complete lack of response when I swipe my finger. Youtube - Oppo no problems, Samsung sound shifted in relation to the picture, by the way on fb videos sound is also out of sync with the picture, I guess phones worth $200 do not have such problems.
Examples could be multiplied. For the first time in two years, I overslept for work because Samsung decided not to turn on the alarm clock and it is completely random. It can't be like that!
I never write posts like this, however the Samsung S22 Ultra is the phone that has let me down the most in the last 20 years, I have never been able to buy, the latest phone, from the "top end" that is much slower than the previous more budget phone that is now two years old.
Samsung - shame... I am very disappointed.
Can someone knowledgeable answer: can they somehow improve this phone by changing the software? Because if not then I'm selling this piece of junk.
Kind regards,

I know what you mean...a phone for over 1300 should be as good as passable... hope Samsung fixes the problems with the exynos... it cant be true

Not sure if it can be completely "fixed".
Android 12 is no gem to start with. GOS fixes are on the way. ADB edits can also be used to tone it down. Not sure if Package Disabler is functional on this model though. It, like it's predecessors definitely needs something like this.
Compared to the Note 10+ the S22U sucks; much poorer form factor, no SD card slot*, that 108mp cam sensor has hype gimmick written all over it. The N10+ gets better SOT with a much smaller battery.
I'm not impressed and rejected the S22U and for that matter the N20U and S21 because of multiple deficiencies and/or issues in spite of a "better" hardware packages. Drop the ball Samsung... and by the way Sammy right handed people hold this huge phone in their left hand.
What were you thinking?
*with no .5-1tb V30 SD card these new phones are a god awful terrors to use and backup. Even when using a SD card as a data drive, backing it up can be a tedious business. Having the redundancy of the 512gb internal memory to make temporarily a backup folder helps prevent backup mishaps in conjunction with the SD card.
That's fresh in my mind because I just did it; you can never have too much SD card memory or "scratch" memory to play with. $hit happens, one corrupted file is all it takes If I had to use the PC to do what I just did it would've taken at least twice as long. No SD card slot, No sale!!!
The N10+ with 1+tb of storage still rocks it...

The issue is there are problems on number of exynos s22 ultras with humber of user complaining about the same things you are mentioning, I to was going to get the Samsung s22 ultra but my oppo find x2 pro also runs fast without no issues and just had the android 12 update on it a few days ago.
Instead I ordered a oppo find x5 pro which at the moment comes with over £350 worth of extras and thought if I don't like it, I can always return it but oppos have a better build quality in my opinon and coupled with a 2 year international warranty as standard and great customer service eg they reply to my Facebook messages, email messages and other social media platforms with any questions I have.
I truely believe the exynos chipset with the amd gpu was not ready for mainstream give it a few more releases before the fix the bugs, also a good indicator is that even south korea (home of samsung) does not use the exynos chipset which is saying something.
It can also do with a bad batch as there are also users who have said they don't have any issues at all, maybe built in two different factories, I think the ones I have seen come from Vietnam here in the UK.

a5ian300zx said:
The issue is there are problems on number of exynos s22 ultras with humber of user complaining about the same things you are mentioning, I to was going to get the Samsung s22 ultra but my oppo find x2 pro also runs fast without no issues and just had the android 12 update on it a few days ago.
Instead I ordered a oppo find x5 pro which at the moment comes with over £350 worth of extras and thought if I don't like it, I can always return it but oppos have a better build quality in my opinon and coupled with a 2 year international warranty as standard and great customer service eg they reply to my Facebook messages, email messages and other social media platforms with any questions I have.
I truely believe the exynos chipset with the amd gpu was not ready for mainstream give it a few more releases before the fix the bugs, also a good indicator is that even south korea (home of samsung) does not use the exynos chipset which is saying something.
It can also do with a bad batch as there are also users who have said they don't have any issues at all, maybe built in two different factories, I think the ones I have seen come from Vietnam here in the UK.
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Samsung is known to substitute smaller chipsets and components as needed during a production run. Sometimes the firmware doesn't properly interface with these changes. Guess what happens?
Until Samsung learns of the issue by customers sending them in to be physically examined, no firmware updates addressing them can be written. This may or may not be the case here.
Most times Samsung's just need to be optimized, no firmware updates needed. Unfortunately many times Samsung phone tech support is pretty useless (I'm being kind).

BaGRoS said:
Hi All
Two years ago I bought a phone, from a slightly lower end than Samsung - that's what I thought at the time, until I started using the Samsung S22 Ultra 512GB a month ago.
That phone was the Oppo Find X2 Pro 512GB. In two years I never did a hard reset! The phone works perfectly, fast, smooth as butter. However, the power button started to fail, so I started thinking about something higher end, more expensive, twice the price, I thought I would get a phone at least twice as good for that price.
Unfortunately, the Samsung is not better, it is several times slower in daily use. It's possible that in tests, the GPU is faster, but in everyday use the Samsung S22 Ultra next to the Oppo Pro X2 Pro looks like a tortoise (Samsung) next to a rabbit (Oppo).
When using the Samsung, I feel like I'm using a Samsung S7? Even my S9 was faster and ran without stuttering. On the Oppo I have more apps, yet it runs faster even when some of the apps, have cached for two years....
I don't know if Samsung can improve something with updates to make the Exynos 2200 run at least as fast as the Snapdragon 865. If not, I will fix the power button on the Oppo in a month or two and sell the Samsung.
An example of why? Google maps - Oppo any route generates without any delay, Samsung sometimes takes a few seconds or so before the route appears. Aliexpress when I browse product photos added by people, Oppo one swipe appears the next photo, no matter how fast I swipe, photo after photo; Samsung - sometimes I have to swipe 2-3 times before the next photo appears, I am not ready for a complete lack of response when I swipe my finger. Youtube - Oppo no problems, Samsung sound shifted in relation to the picture, by the way on fb videos sound is also out of sync with the picture, I guess phones worth $200 do not have such problems.
Examples could be multiplied. For the first time in two years, I overslept for work because Samsung decided not to turn on the alarm clock and it is completely random. It can't be like that!
I never write posts like this, however the Samsung S22 Ultra is the phone that has let me down the most in the last 20 years, I have never been able to buy, the latest phone, from the "top end" that is much slower than the previous more budget phone that is now two years old.
Samsung - shame... I am very disappointed.
Can someone knowledgeable answer: can they somehow improve this phone by changing the software? Because if not then I'm selling this piece of junk.
Kind regards,
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Are you still in the remorse period? Can't you return the S22?

Is this primarily an issue with the exynos version? How about the snapdragon version?

Day 3 with mine and coming from an S20+ I'm not experiencing any performance, lag, overheating or battery issues.
Did a mild de-bloat with ADP App Control and good to go.

It's sad to hear the exonys is giving so much issues out of the box. Here in South Africa we used to get only the exonys, but for some reason they changed it to the sd. On my sd I don't have any issues as mentioned here or any of the other posts complaining about the exonys. I'm glad that they decided to change it to the sd. There is this other post that "fine tunes" the phone, perhaps try it and see....My carrier only has the entry oppo phones available...I know I can import, but I'm happy with my s22u
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Are you still in the remorse period? Can't you return the S22?
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Came in here to say this. Sorry bro.

Tbf I really don't understand what you guys are talking about, nobody complained about S22 speeds either Snapdragon or Exynos, it seems like an issue from your side and I would recommend you exchange your phone or see that with Samsung support

jojos38 said:
Tbf I really don't understand what you guys are talking about, nobody complained about S22 speeds either Snapdragon or Exynos, it seems like an issue from your side and I would recommend you exchange your phone or see that with Samsung support
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You are sure? Nobody complained?
S22 Ultra Very Laggy and slow
I got my new S22 Ultra this monday and I have been having quite a lot of problems with it. The battery life is terrible, only around 2-3 hours of lite use. Snapchat is near unusable because it is terribly slow and laggy to use and the viewport...
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You are sure? Nobody complained?
S22 Ultra Very Laggy and slow
I got my new S22 Ultra this monday and I have been having quite a lot of problems with it. The battery life is terrible, only around 2-3 hours of lite use. Snapchat is near unusable because it is terribly slow and laggy to use and the viewport...
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"Nobody" is obviously an exaggeration to point out that very few people complained. Of course some people complained but it's minority
This thread is 34 pages of the same people discussing, I don't know if we can see how many people participated to the thread and among those how many actually participated to complain about this specific issue (speed) but it's probably low

Another user complaining here: almost ready to go back to Xiaomi 12 Pro

After those Updates, the debloating and rooting it seemed to work pretty good on Exynos.
However I also sold it now, because it was too big for the pocket or to make photos comfortable.
Happy I did.. waiting for an Alternative.. like an S22 Ultra Mini now (if something like this will appear soon hopefully)

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..like an S22 Ultra Mini now (if something like this will appear soon hopefully)
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Sounds so tasty, yet it will not exist anytime soon.

I returned mine to Telus before my 30 day window.
S22 SD version on Telus. I don't have it anymore so wjatever model is Canada version.
Camera issues:
- Camera preview looks completely different from shot photos.
- Camera shots look very noisy compared to my Galaxy Note 10's Camera.
- Dark photos when HDR should be enabled. - Note 10 somehow manages to take photos but every photo on the S22 is extremely underexposed and when settings are changed it looks very grainy? Like the heck? Especially if trying to see a sleeping puppy -- a 2 year newer phone can't manage?? Not using digital zoom either.
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GPS completely knackered. I have tracking apps so people can safely check me, but my phone wouldn't register as active even with battery saver off. At all.
-- location jumping on Google Maps. It doesn't seem to know where I'm at. Worse than Note 10. Same goes for Transit App.
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Phone not registering SMS messages, group messages, or chat features.
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And lastly, phone alarms that would show "missed alarm" even though the phone wasn't silenced and alarm volume + vibrate enabled and at a decently loud volume. Since when the hell did an alarm (something phones have had since 2003), ever stop functioning?

Exynos version has some lags especially in apps. But what other device with same or better characteristics should we bye;

I have the Galaxy S21 5G Plus .
Compared with the the S22 or an OPPO, is is slower or faster or same fast?

German Kraut said:
I have the Galaxy S21 5G Plus .
Compared with the the S22 or an OPPO, is is slower or faster or same fast?
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Not the right thread for this (off topic) but I'll bite. If you have the s21, don't even bother.
Upgrading every year is stupid and why manufacturers get away with the crap they do.

Question I returned my 256gb S22 Ultra for a 512gb S22 Ultra and the 512gb is so much more laggy

I have to send back my 256gb ultra by the 22nd, but I need to figure out why its performing so much better. I basically just did smart switch to transfer over to the 512gb phone. The 512gb phone takes literally 5 seconds to open messages and when I am scrolling down in messages, I just keep seeing the same ones over and over again. (The 256 version just scrolls through like butter with literally the same messages). When I activated the new one online, the IMEI showed up on the sprint/T-Mobile website as a burgundy 128gb version when it is actually a sky blue 512gb version. Any ideas what I can compare before having to send one or both of these back? Also, I traded in my Note 10+. Do they ever send back your trade-in?

Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...

yeah get it swapped for a different model, something seems off with ur 512 model

Set up as new first.
Or just let it settle for a while.

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Set up as new first.
Or just let it settle for a while.
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No settling needed. Could try clearing the system cache. Turn off adaptive battery and such. Set display power mode to optimized or the S22U equivalent.
This series is having a lot of issues.

When I choose to restore 100+ apps from a google drive backup the device lags and gets hot AF. I put it down and come back a few hours later and it's fine. That's always been my experience. If I want to play around (aka instant action) just skip backup/transfer and play and it's usually fine.

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I have to send back my 256gb ultra by the 22nd, but I need to figure out why its performing so much better. ... (The 256 version just scrolls through like butter with literally the same messages).
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Some might say a slow S22u is normal, but you already know it is not. Some might say, there is a processor lottery (maybe, but not that extreme).
I would say you copied a lot of (media-)data to the new phone and huge indexes need to be created now at once. In my case especially the Media Storage Service runs a lot when I add data and do not block scanning with ".nomedia".
You should see this in your battery statistics. If so, your S22u will run much better when the index creation is finished.
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Lol, I take the N10+...
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If every S22u posting would be deleted in which you mention (praise) the N10+, about 90% would be gone. Btw., have you found your AF of the ultrawide cam? There is none in the N10+.

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If every S22u posting would be deleted in which you mention (praise) the N10+, about 90% would be gone. Btw., have you found your AF of the ultrawide cam? There is none in the N10+.
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No AF, correct... but don't go getting all gooey happy wet just yet.
The bad news; I have plenty of threads and posts in the N10+ forum
Here, read my latest thermal review of the N10+.
Look what you inspired^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
You never did take my thermal challenge... 98.6 here now and the battery is running at 2-5F above ambient, with a case, no cooling.

ZXR said:
Some might say a slow S22u is normal, but you already know it is not. Some might say, there is a processor lottery (maybe, but not that extreme).
I would say you copied a lot of (media-)data to the new phone and huge indexes need to be created now at once. In my case especially the Media Storage Service runs a lot when I add data and do not block scanning with ".nomedia".
You should see this in your battery statistics. If so, your S22u will run much better when the index creation is finished.
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I used smart switch coming from my N10+ to the 256gb version, and I don't think the messages app was ever slow. Full disclosure, I didn't set the new messages app as default for a couple of days because I wasn't sure what the difference was. Does everyone have 2 messages apps, or is that because I did smart switch? Both of my S22s currently have 2 messages apps full with texts.

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I used smart switch coming from my N10+ to the 256gb version, and I don't think the messages app was ever slow. Full disclosure, I didn't set the new messages app as default for a couple of days because I wasn't sure what the difference was. Does everyone have 2 messages apps, or is that because I did smart switch? Both of my S22s currently have 2 messages apps full with texts.
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SmartSwitch may be the problem. Try doing a clean reload without it (sorry).

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Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...
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You didn't own the s22 ultra in the first place. I see you spend a lot of time on the pixel forums too even though you haven't owned one. If you like your phone so much why are you on all these other phone forums instead?

turn of "optimizer" and turn on 120hz

blackhawk said:
Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...
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Agree on the "internal memory size not being a factor"...

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No AF, correct... but don't go getting all gooey happy wet just yet.
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You never did take my thermal challenge... 98.6 here now and the battery is running at 2-5F above ambient, with a case, no cooling.
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Sorry to the others, a bit off-topic.
Have you ever asked me for a thermal challenge? But the challange would be between devices, not people. Do you have both devices?
What I now did: A N10 and a S20u set to manual brightness. Put them on a sofa cushion next to each other, one hour no usage, no load. Noted the battery temperatures (in °C). Then Opera browser, youtube page, same video FullHD for 12 Minutes, .
1st try:
27,8 to 30,1 delta 2,3 (S22u)
26,9 to 29,5 delta 2,6 (N10)
2nd:
27,5 to 30,0 delta 2,5 (S22u)
27,0 to 30,5 delta 3,5 (N10)
We can see the temperature sensors have an offset of about 0,5-0,9 K and the older device is heating-up a bit more.
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Agree on the "internal memory size not being a factor"...
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Back on topic.
Absolutely. The 256 GB and 512 GB have the same RAM size and I would say no one blamed the ROM itself.
Maybe Ssamboy will give an update.

crixley said:
You didn't own the s22 ultra in the first place. I see you spend a lot of time on the pixel forums too even though you haven't owned one. If you like your phone so much why are you on all these other phone forums instead?
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They have been hating on the S22U since the beginning. Same old tired narrative, again and again. It's old BH go troll somewhere else.

RedsonRising said:
They have been hating on the S22U since the beginning. Same old tired narrative, again and again. It's old BH go troll somewhere else.
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I mean there are some of us who do own this phone, I've had it since April, and I find that apps like Twitter and Reddit scroll lagging as completely unacceptable. Regardless of how unoptimized basic apps are from the developer side, they're literally two of the most popular apps on the PlayStore and I am unhappy with a $1900 phone here in Australia (for the 256Gb 12Gb RAM Snapdragon variant I bought in April) lags doing the most basic tasks, when I could have got an iPhone 13 Pro Max and not had these issues, at least with basic apps, I wouldn't have liked it as much as my Android phone, since I prefer and love the customisation on Android, but at least the basic apps which I spend the majority of my free time will work without issues.
I didn't even buy it at release and it took them until June to fix the camera taking quick shots issue.
This idea of sucking-off these big companies, regardless of who they are, needs to stop. I don't care if you're a fan. There are people who have this phone or have had this phone for a while and still facing issues with it.
Sure, there is no perfect phone out there, but asking for basic optimization and better support for these devices shouldn't be discouraged. Samsung needs to do better.

I don't do twitter but I can confirm that the Reddit app is absolute garbage. Just look at the reviews on Google Play for confirmation.
It's not the phone, it's the app(s).

Coming from a Oneplus 8 Pro here, which was about as fast a device as you could get (even now). I do have the S22 Ultra 512gb variant and I can say that it feels about how I thought it would. Nothing can really compare to Oxygen OS, pre Android 12 IMO, but the Ultra feels fast enough.
I used smartswitch coming over, but I did clear cache in recovery for good measure. I am running 120hz and 1440p rez on optimized battery settings.
I don't experience any heat from it aside from situations where I know I would, like 95 degrees outside walking with the screen on max brightness using google maps, something like that.
I made all animations .5 as usual and turned off part of the app transitions in settings. It feels like it should. I use Twitter and the Reddit app. No lag on reddit flying through the homescreen with multiple app reloads at the bottom.
I have a bunch of complaints about this phone but nothing like is in this thread.

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Coming from a Oneplus 8 Pro here, which was about as fast a device as you could get (even now). I do have the S22 Ultra 512gb variant and I can say that it feels about how I thought it would. Nothing can really compare to Oxygen OS, pre Android 12 IMO, but the Ultra feels fast enough.
I used smartswitch coming over, but I did clear cache in recovery for good measure. I am running 120hz and 1440p rez on optimized battery settings.
I don't experience any heat from it aside from situations where I know I would, like 95 degrees outside walking with the screen on max brightness using google maps, something like that.
I made all animations .5 as usual and turned off part of the app transitions in settings. It feels like it should. I use Twitter and the Reddit app. No lag on reddit flying through the homescreen with multiple app reloads at the bottom.
I have a bunch of complaints about this phone but nothing like is in this thread.
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I would kill animations completely... a waste of resources that adds no useful functionality.
See what's behind the mask.
With that 4nm chipset and 12gb* of ram it better be fast. The burning question is how much mAh's is it using to do this?
Waste heat is an invariable byproduct of operation, the more mAh's used, the more heat generated. And that is a problem once your average mAh usage goes over 400.
Can it be optimized to stay under 400 mAh?
I doubt it but it's pretty common for Samsung's to be hot running battery hogs until optimized.
There's definitely room for improvement with optimizing. Using over 500 mAh average is unacceptable. If you're getting 10 hr or less SOT that's exactly what it's doing. At a 750 mAh average thermal dissipative capacity becomes a real issue because it isn't sustainable.
The other question is how much is scoped storage adding to the load burden?
Probably a fair amount; Pixels even added a new chip to take up some of that extra needed processing. Not an encouraging sign.
At least on rooted devices it seems scoped storage can now be disabled in 12.
*the large 12gb of ram is more important for performance than the chipset speed to some extent. The 8gb variant doesn't hold up to multitasking near as well.