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One Plus 7 Pro or Samsung S10+ at the same price?

S10+ is about €50 more expensive so it's basically in the same league price wise.
I'm currently using Note 8 but I'm sick of Samsung. However, battery life is important and I read that OnePlus 7 Pro doesn't have a good battery life.

I had an s10+ (that I returned) and found battery life to be very similar between the two.
I'm enjoying the 7pro a lot more because I value the notchless screen, performance, and software. That said, the cameras on the s10 are definitely better.

it just depends what you care about more, for me personally camera and wireless charging is a plus for s10 but the notch less display, a bigger display, a fingerprint scanner that works a lot faster, Oxygen OS outweigh the benefits from S10 but I barely ever take any pics and found alternate solutions for wireless charging.

The S10 has a much better camera experience, IP rating(if that matters to you) and Wireless charging.
Oneplus has a better overall software experience. Not saying Samsung is bad because it is not, Samsung has come a long way from touchwiz and oneui is enjoyable. Oneplus's oxygen OS is just very smooth and fast especially with the 90hz screen
Rooting is easy with Oneplus. Not so much on the S10
Updates ate quicker and more frequent on Oneplus devices.
I usually find my sim card in the s10 because of the wireless charging and better camera.

Oneplus has better system software for the most part, S10 is going to beat it in nearly every other category hardware wise. At the same price the s10+ would be hard to pass up and get the Op7

Same price, S10+ for me no questions asked (this is coming from someone who as owned almost every OnePlus device and not had a Samsung since the Note 4). I own both phones and the S10+ is my daily driver, 7 Pro is my backup.
It really depends on what you're looking for in a phone. While the 7 Pro feels a little faster (not much) OneUI on the S10+ offers a lot more options (and is so much better than TouchWiz was). Really the only thing the 7 Pro has over the S10+ is the 90hz screen, screen size, no notch/hole punch, charging speed, and 3.0 memory.

Does Samsung still offer unlockable bootloaders? Dual Sim?

larsdennert said:
Does Samsung still offer unlockable bootloaders? Dual Sim?
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They do on the international variants...

I switched from the S10+ to the OP7 Pro because I was hating the punch hole but to be honest I'm thinking on returning the OP7 Pro.
Choppy scrolling on all browsers I've tried, completely opposite of smooth. S10+ was way smoother. Extremely poor LTE signal on T-Mobile, can't stream anything over 480p. Chin bigger than in advertisements/renders. Can't play any video on anything over 1.5x, have a lot of audio cut offs and too many dropped frames. 90% of my use is web browsing and watching videos at 2x so these are deal breakers for me.
I'm also struggling to give up Always on Display and wireless charging and I prefer S10+ screen's colors and the subtle curves with much less glare I just hate the punch hole so not sure what to do yet.
Performance wise are similar but animations are smoother on OP7 Pro. I could not go back to Note 9 since that one is now too slow for me.

vwite said:
I switched from the S10+ to the OP7 Pro because I was hating the punch hole but to be honest I'm thinking on returning the OP7 Pro.
Choppy scrolling on all browsers I've tried, completely opposite of smooth. S10+ was way smoother. Extremely poor LTE signal on T-Mobile, can't stream anything over 480p. Notch bigger than in advertisements/renders. Can't play any video on anything over 1.5x, have a lot of audio cut offs and too many dropped frames. 90% of my use is web browsing and watching videos at 2x so these are deal breakers for me.
I'm also struggling to give up Always on Display and wireless charging and I prefer S10+ screen's colors and the subtle curves with much less glare I just hate the punch hole so not sure what to do yet.
Performance wise are similar but animations are smoother on OP7 Pro. I could not go back to Note 9 since that one is now too slow for me.
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Turn on HD Streaming in t mobile app. I literally hit 170mbps down on speed test yesterday on t mobile

vwite said:
Extremely poor LTE signal on T-Mobile, can't stream anything over 480p.
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I haven't noticed this, you are sure you aren't getting throttled to 480p but the network? If you have ONE but not plus you will be throttled to 480p.
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Notch bigger than in advertisements/renders. Can't play any video on anything over 1.5x,
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What notch?

Easton999GS said:
Turn on HD Streaming in t mobile app. I literally hit 170mbps down on speed test yesterday on t mobile
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Do they charge extra for that? I only found one that said "HD 24 Hours Pass" and it costs $3 per day.
It may be my area though, when I had my sim on the S10+ it had no problems at all streaming 1080p or even 2k videos at all.
OP7 Pro starts streaming at like 360p and I have to manually change it to at leats 720p but it stops A LOT to buffer.
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I haven't noticed this, you are sure you aren't getting throttled to 480p but the network? If you have ONE but not plus you will be throttled to 480p.
What notch?
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Lol, sorry I meant the chin.
And no I'm not being throttled to 480p, if I insert the sim on the S10+ I can stream 1080p or 2k without any issues. It might be my area though. I also have the international version of the OP7 Pro and I heard rumors that it didn't have band 71 but I'm not sure.

taphius said:
Oneplus has better system software for the most part, S10 is going to beat it in nearly every other category hardware wise. At the same price the s10+ would be hard to pass up and get the Op7
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S10+ beats the OnePlus 7 Pro in nearly every category hardware wise? Hardly. Best screen, OP7P. Fastest UFS storage, OP7P. Best speakers, in my opinion, OP7P. Headphone jack, obviously S10+. Cameras are subjective, especially with pending software updates, but I do believe that Samsung oversaturates their pictures way too much. Build quality is a tossup, as both smartphones are beautiful in their own right. Both feature an SD855 processor. Everything else is a tie.
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I have both and it really is swings and roundabouts.
The OP is faster at pretty much everything, I prefer the near stock experience and knowing I'll get Q probably in the autumn vs 2020 on the S10+
I have the ceramic S10 and it probably is a nicer device in the hand and slightly easier to manage, I also miss the always on display and wireless charging. I would imagine the non-ceramic S10+ is even easier to manage on account of being lighter.
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And no I'm not being throttled to 480p, if I insert the sim on the S10+ I can stream 1080p or 2k without any issues. It might be my area though. I also have the international version of the OP7 Pro and I heard rumors that it didn't have band 71 but I'm not sure.
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Doesn't look like the international one has band 71. Kimovil has a great and easy way to find out bands and coverage support. I use this when I get new phones because I travel to the USA regularly and want a phone that can roam well.
Kimovil's listing of the OP7P Global version
Kimovil's listing of the OP7P North American version
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Thanks for the replies all.
The main reason 7 Pro is attractive is that notchless big screen with a 4000mah battery and easy root.
The rest is not so important.
However I think I might just wait and see what happens next year.
Note 8 is still quite powerful. Just that battery life...

Nebell said:
Thanks for the replies all.
The main reason 7 Pro is attractive is that notchless big screen with a 4000mah battery and easy root.
The rest is not so important.
However I think I might just wait and see what happens next year.
Note 8 is still quite powerful. Just that battery life...
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The big notchless screen was my main attraction to the OP7 Pro as well but I finally decided today that I'll return it and go back to the S10+. There's just too many little details (bugs and missing things) that add up and make the overall usability worse. The only scenario I've found the OP7 Pro better was when watching videos in the night because I hate the pucnh hole but other than the hole, the screen on the S10+ is better (better more vivid colors, brighter, more subtle curves and waaay less glare, better viewing angles without much color shifting, it's super amoled so glass is glued to screen and looks as if there had not glass at all, while OP7 Pro looks like if you were looking through a window, not sure how to explain it but noticed the same with my ex-Mate 20 Pro when comparing with my ex-Note 9)

vwite said:
The big notchless screen was my main attraction to the OP7 Pro as well but I finally decided today that I'll return it and go back to the S10+. There's just too many little details (bugs and missing things) that add up and make the overall usability worse. The only scenario I've found the OP7 Pro better was when watching videos in the night because I hate the pucnh hole but other than the hole, the screen on the S10+ is better (better more vivid colors, brighter, more subtle curves and waaay less glare, better viewing angles without much color shifting, it's super amoled so glass is glued to screen and looks as if there had not glass at all, while OP7 Pro looks like if you were looking through a window, not sure how to explain it but noticed the same with my ex-Mate 20 Pro when comparing with my ex-Note 9)
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Uh all oleds are that way. It's how the technology is ? it's probably the screen protector making it look different .
Usability worse? Sorry so many fanboys on these forums just looking for anything to moan about

Reuben_skelz92 said:
Uh all oleds are that way. It's how the technology is it's probably the screen protector making it look different .
Usability worse? Sorry so many fanboys on these forums just looking for anything to moan about
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Removing the screen protector of my Op7 pro was the fiedt thing I did, I hate screen protectors. It's the calibration, quality (even though both are samsung branded the one of the S10+ is more expensive even though it's smaller because of something) and because AMOLED vs glass separated from display. I don't know what you mean with "all OLEDS are that way, that's how technology is" yeah all of them have color shift and all of them are prone to burn in but color shift is A LOT less noticeable on my S10+ unless I tilt it to extreme unusable angles.
Yes usability is worse, I can get things done easier and faster on the S10+ even though animations are "smoother" and apps load 0.5 seconds faster on OP7 Pro. If I was a samsung fanboy I wouldn't even have bought the OP7 Pro, I just try to buy the best phone in the market for my usage no matter the brand and I truly though this was gonna be the close to perfect phone but they are still cutting a lot of corners. I'll try again with the OP8 Pro.

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Question S22 Ultra compared to the Note20 Ultra

The advantages so far:
+5G reception and C-Band are noticeable improvements (Data speeds are 2-3x faster than the Note20 Ultra)
+Ability to run screen at full resolution and 120 Hz
+AMOLED uniformity MUCH better
+Speaker clarity is much improved
+The S-Pen glides across the screen much more smoothly.
+Minor, but the image stabilization on the camera doesn't rattle like the Note20 Ultra's did.
+Phone navigation is slightly faster and more responsive, though the Note20 Ultra was plenty fast.
Overall, it is a refinement of an already great phone. It fixes many of my gripes with its predecessor. The fact that the phone is heavier and is missing a MicroSD slot will take some adjustment but 512 GB should be plenty. If you're on Verizon and in a 5G C-Band area, you'll finally see a speed boost. I'll update if I find anything else worth noting.

Yes that 21grams actually makes a difference when your holding it, I didn't think much of it when looking at the specs before buying. But when holding the phone that weight is much more noticeable.
Overall i don't think its much of a upgrade, Exynos version here and i have noticed a horrible lag in comparison to my Note 20 Ultra.
I believe this is a OS issue and hoping an update will resolve it (It was present on my Note 20 ultra prior to the last OS update), but when first launching a game and playing for the first couple of minutes its laggy and eventually settles itself with some odd occasional stuttering throughout
This also happens in performance mode enabled on High, the only thing that is frustrating me at the moment.
Makes playing Rocket League Side swipe impossible

dave7802 said:
Yes that 21grams actually makes a difference when your holding it, I didn't think much of it when looking at the specs before buying. But when holding the phone that weight is much more noticeable.
Overall i don't think its much of a upgrade, Exynos version here and i have noticed a horrible lag in comparison to my Note 20 Ultra.
I believe this is a OS issue and hoping an update will resolve it (It was present on my Note 20 ultra prior to the last OS update), but when first launching a game and playing for the first couple of minutes its laggy and eventually settles itself with some odd occasional stuttering throughout
This also happens in performance mode enabled on High, the only thing that is frustrating me at the moment.
Makes playing Rocket League Side swipe impossible
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Don't mean to sound rude when I say this but you have a exynos and he has a snapdragon. You can't really compare them right now. He doesn't have the stuttering and laggy issues that you have. So when you say not much of an upgrade he is not coming from the same space that you are. Hopefully the day one patch will get rid of your stuttering and lagging and then maybe you will say it is an upgrade also.

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Don't mean to sound rude when I say this but you have a exynos and he has a snapdragon. You can't really compare them right now. He doesn't have the stuttering and laggy issues that you have. So when you say not much of an upgrade he is not coming from the same space that you are. Hopefully the day one patch will get rid of your stuttering and lagging and then maybe you will say it is an upgrade also.
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Not sure what you are on about buddy! I was talking about my personal experience.
"Overall I don't think"
I have the Note 20 ultra and the S22 Ultra. Freedom of speech of my own person experience.

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Not sure what you are on about buddy! I was talking about my personal experience.
"Overall I don't think"
I have the Note 20 ultra and the S22 Ultra. Freedom of speech of my own person experience.
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I guess you missed the beginning part where I said I wasn't trying to be rude and you took it as me being rude lol.

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I guess you missed the beginning part where I said I wasn't trying to be rude and you took it as me being rude lol.
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I didn't think you where being rude, i just didn't get the point of your post, A topic was created comparing both devices, So i shared my own opinion on the two devices, as the S22 Ultra was the upgrade from my Note 20 Ultra. This is what this place is about, Discussions.
I was aware their device was Snapdragon given they are on the Verizon network, Mine is not and talking about the experience of the Exynos variant.

The camera especially with zoom is a huge difference, and if people wait another generation the trade on value on the n20u will be less than half of the current $600 trade in.
So you can spend that money now or spend that same money a tear from now.
Video editing also has crop and rotate correction now, image erase has both shadow and reflection removal, the more I'm exploring the phone the more improvements I'm finding.
My only nit right now is actually the improved s pen... it now has a grippy texture, so sliding it on and out isn't as smooth as the n20u.

my S22 Ultra compared to my Note 20U, I`m glad I did the trade in and up graded for the unlock version, the camera Zoom is crazy better than the Note 20U and I like the heavier weight reminds me of my S21 ultra which felt like a premium phone, for me everything works great and no issues for me.

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The advantages so far:
+5G reception and C-Band are noticeable improvements (Data speeds are 2-3x faster than the Note20 Ultra)
+Ability to run screen at full resolution and 120 Hz
+AMOLED uniformity MUCH better
+Speaker clarity is much improved
+The S-Pen glides across the screen much more smoothly.
+Minor, but the image stabilization on the camera doesn't rattle like the Note20 Ultra's did.
+Phone navigation is slightly faster and more responsive, though the Note20 Ultra was plenty fast.
Overall, it is a refinement of an already great phone. It fixes many of my gripes with its predecessor. The fact that the phone is heavier and is missing a MicroSD slot will take some adjustment but 512 GB should be plenty. If you're on Verizon and in a 5G C-Band area, you'll finally see a speed boost. I'll update if I find anything else worth noting.
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On your N22 Ultra, when connected to the C Band, are you seeing the 5G UW icon or just 5G?

On the Verizon variant, I see 5G UW. No idea what an unlocked model would show.

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On the Verizon variant, I see 5G UW. No idea what an unlocked model would show.
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Cool, I appreciate the insight! Looking forward to getting mine setup at some point today.

Question The honest truth about the S22 Ultra 2 months later

Before I go into detail, I should note that the S22 Ultra is my favorite phone right now, and is probably the best you can get. I came from the Note20 Ultra, and briefly the S21 Ultra and Pixel 6 Pro. The S22 Ultra is a really great phone, but so were the S21 Ultra and Note20 Ultra. The Pixel 6 Pro is much like a beta phone with great software and features, but stability and 5G reception need improvement. Many reviewers have referred to the S22 Ultra as "safe" and "boring", and I tend to agree. It really is what the Note21 Ultra could have been. With so much focus moving to foldables and rollables, perhaps innovation is stagnant on the traditional slabs.
When compared to the Note20 Ultra, the only noticeable improvements are data speeds, battery life, screen uniformity, and low light photos. Everything else is exactly the same, even how the phone feels. It is not a revolutionary phone by any means, and really is only worth buying if you get a great deal. The only downsides are the weaker vibrate motor and added weight.
When compared to the S21 Ultra, it's pretty much the exact same phone with a different form factor and an S Pen. It has the same screen technology as the S22U, as well as 5G SA. The S21 Ultra is actually easier to hold being narrower, but the weight of the S22 Ultra is more evenly distributed. The S21 Ultra retains the strong vibrate motor from the Note20 Ultra. If you have an S21 Ultra, the upgrade to the S22 Ultra is NOT worth it unless you absolutely need an S Pen or prefer the larger screen area (19.3:9 has greater area than 20:9).
With each upgrade, there is less feel of something new and exciting. Even the software is nearly identical on all Samsung devices now. Dropping from 16 GB RAM to 12 GB was another odd choice. Maybe we've hit a plateau where there is nothing new to offer, or that hardware and software designers have gotten lazier. The best innovations on the software side seem to come from independent developers who have a passion for their phones. If you're coming from any non-Samsung, the S22 Ultra is a great choice, but from a recent Samsung flagship, you may be underwhelmed.

Am I the only one that thinks Samsungs decision to remove the camera surround bezels has made the unit look cheap? Looked more handsome with bezel like the S21U around the camera.

The S22U has better flare control (a function of the lense protector and maybe the lense) and somewhat better cams than the N10+.
The N10+'s display likely has a better color rendering index and white point though. Better efficiency because it's only 60hz. The N10+'s 12gb of ram chews the S22U up once the app load starts getting high. Even with a light load the S22U is only marginally faster.
The N10+ has up to 1tb of expandable storage that can be used as a data drive. Even though it memory is less efficient and has less battery capacity it gets 8-11 hrs SOT once optimized and uses >[email protected] with tap on AOD, internet/phone active.
Firmware, you can still buy a new N10+ running on Android 10. Android 11 is so-so and 12 is a boned mess of a fubar.
I have one N10+ running Pie, the other 10. Both will remain as such for their whole service lives because they run great and fullfill their mission.
Thus far security hasn't been an issue at all. Pie is reasonably secure as is in actual usage.
Both Android and Samsung have dropped the ball for 3 years running. Hard to believe the Beast is still a viable and desirable option after all this time but it is.
I'm not pleased with Samsung or Google Adroid's Apple crap wannabe releases at all

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Am I the only one that thinks Samsungs decision to remove the camera surround bezels has made the unit look cheap? Looked more handsome with bezel like the S21U around the camera.
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I actually think the S22 Ultra looks great. It gives cases with the precise cutouts a great look.

Excellent unbiased review of the S22U. It's a very good phone despite what a small group of Note 10 users with no first hand experience think of it.

My last phone was iPhone 11 and the previous one was a Xiaomi Mix 2s, so the S22 Ultra feels very premium and a big upgrade. I was bored with what is happening on the iOS side, so I decided to switch back to android and the S22 Ultra is a great all-in-one package, especially with the 4 years update.

I'm coming from S20+ 5G. I'm really disappointed about the battery life which it's still a shame, random overheating it's still present, unfortunately, the only improvement it's the camera department and S-Pen, otherwise, it's the same phone...

I came from an S20+ too. Only upgraded because I got a great deal. Already knew this was not going to be a huge upgrade from the S20+, but I am enjoying just as much. I have one for me and one for the wife and both have been flawless. No issues at all. Battery lasts more than long enough for our use. Hope the new software update does not mess with anything and just makes it better.

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Excellent unbiased review of the S22U. It's a very good phone despite what a small group of Note 10 users with no first hand experience think of it.
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Best comment ever.. dude's like: oh well I have 2 note 10+ and even if this is a S22 Ultra forum I'm gonna brag about how great my N10+ with the Spen on the right as god intended it to be is. He does have some good comments and suggestions when he's not trying to shove his 2 note 10s in every thread of the forum.
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I'm almost 2 months with the S22 Ultra, I just changed the firmware to XAA U1 (it was TMB U) and it feels lighter and more fluid. I still haven't updated to the latest firmware (I switched last night so there was no update). Will try to get it and test it out. Coming from N20U, S21U, Iphone13ProM, I'm perfectly happy with the S22U, I have no regret (well maybe not getting the 1TB version), but I think this is an amazing device

Unfortunately in my country there are no trade-in deals, so yeah, I was forced to sell my S20+ for 350$ to purchase this S22 Ultra for 1200$

I actually made money on my deal. I purchased my S20+ when I was with Verizon on a Buy One Get One Free deal. I moved to T-Mobile and got $1000 each for the 2 S20+ phones I had in trade, so each S22 Ultra cost me $200 and I made a $1000 on the deal. Really could not pass that up even though I was happy with my S20+. Transferring the phone data went flawlessly on both phones and I have had no issues with the new phone. Better yet, the wife is happy.

Question First Pixel 7 Pro?

Looking to purchase 7 Pro had samsung , oneplus , xioami . At moment im on s21 Ultra which i have had since release don't know whether wait for 23 ultra or pick up 7 Pro. main thing for me is battery life . on my s21 ultra i would get day and half with 6hrs s.o.t .

I'd say wait for the s23.

As much as I *hate* Samsung, the S23 Ultra will almost surely have better battery life.

I don't understand all the battery hate. I make it through the day easily with usually 50% left. It's all user dependent I guess or there's a shatload of bad batteries floating around. Just switch off the majority of not needed Google wizardry and don't game non stop and your good to go.

I'd say I love Samsung hardware but I'm not huge fan of OneUI. If Samsung release ever like Google Play edition of Galaxy S22 Ultra, Note design then it will be best device for long term.

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I don't understand all the battery hate. I make it through the day easily with usually 50% left. It's all user dependent I guess or there's a shatload of bad batteries floating around. Just switch off the majority of not needed Google wizardry and don't game non stop and your good to go.
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The battery hate is because there are so many devices that do so much better. Also sometimes the phone just decides to start using way more battery than previous trends doing the same things it was doing before.

Sure but it's a mixed bag with different experiences per user. My psp7 runs about 50% longer than my Note 20 ultra with the same kind of usage.

P7P stock kernel doesn't seem to be very good in delivering/managing power usage. Sometimes the device heat up simply because i run YT Music. But some other days, it survives hours of screen time morning to night. I always check what run on BG when the device heat up, and it's nothing, really, it just that the device decide to run on higher freq for no good reason.
If you bought this phone, one thing you might want to do is using custom Kernel. I didn't do so because apparently i gonna need to wipe my phone to do first kernel flash. Which is a big turn off.
If you dont feel comfy about flashing and elses, i'd say, wait for S23 or Xiaomi 13 Pro

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P7P stock kernel doesn't seem to be very good in delivering/managing power usage. Sometimes the device heat up simply because i run YT Music. But some other days, it survives hours of screen time morning to night. I always check what run on BG when the device heat up, and it's nothing, really, it just that the device decide to run on higher freq for no good reason.
If you bought this phone, one thing you might want to do is using custom Kernel. I didn't do so because apparently i gonna need to wipe my phone to do first kernel flash. Which is a big turn off.
If you dont feel comfy about flashing and elses, i'd say, wait for S23 or Xiaomi 13 Pro
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This is a fact! With the stock Kernel, I was using CPU Mintor daily to check my temps which typically ran above 30 C. Usually in the mid-30's. Over 40 when charging.
With the Kirasakura I usually run about 26-28 C.

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As much as I *hate* Samsung, the S23 Ultra will almost surely have better battery life.
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I wouldn't bet on it , personally. My P7P has considerably better battery life than my brothers S22 Ultra (UK Exynos model). It also has better battery life than my old S21 Ultra had, and the S21 Ultra is known to have better battery life than the S22 Ultra.
Unless the upcoming S23 Ultra brings something new to the table to improve the battery life over the previous two generations, I can see it being about the same.
The question for me shouldn't be about battery life, which overall on most flagships now is relatively similar, rather how happy are you with Sumsung's UI and how important an S-Pen is, which will certainly be included again. Camera will be a little better than the P7P (especially with zoom). I've already gone on record that the P7P isn't worth an upgrade from the S21 Ultra and if mine hadn't been broken and unrepairable I would still have it.
Stick with the S21 Ultra would be my advice and see if the S23 Ultra bring something new. Unless you want Android in its vanilla form, in which case the P7P is definitely worth a look, especially given its about 25% cheaper than a Samsung flagship.

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Looking to purchase 7 Pro had samsung , oneplus , xioami . At moment im on s21 Ultra which i have had since release don't know whether wait for 23 ultra or pick up 7 Pro. main thing for me is battery life . on my s21 ultra i would get day and half with 6hrs s.o.t .
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Stay away from it for now!I just purchased one myself,and sent it back because it overheats like crazy!Don't get me wrong,the performance is there but that face burning battery was enough for me...lol

Beefheart said:
I wouldn't bet on it , personally. My P7P has considerably better battery life than my brothers S22 Ultra (UK Exynos model). It also has better battery life than my old S21 Ultra had, and the S21 Ultra is known to have better battery life than the S22 Ultra.
Unless the upcoming S23 Ultra brings something new to the table to improve the battery life over the previous two generations, I can see it being about the same.
The question for me shouldn't be about battery life, which overall on most flagships now is relatively similar, rather how happy are you with Sumsung's UI and how important an S-Pen is, which will certainly be included again. Camera will be a little better than the P7P (especially with zoom). I've already gone on record that the P7P isn't worth an upgrade from the S21 Ultra and if mine hadn't been broken and unrepairable I would still have it.
Stick with the S21 Ultra would be my advice and see if the S23 Ultra bring something new. Unless you want Android in its vanilla form, in which case the P7P is definitely worth a look, especially given its about 25% cheaper than a Samsung flagship.
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Well the S23 Ultra is using Snapdragon chips worldwide and the TSMC-produced 8 Gen 2 is looking like an efficiency beast. I hear you on the Samsung UI and I'm also not too excited to lose root but the S23 Ultra could be a great device to jump to if people are tired of being tied to the charger with the Pixel (both due to the slow charging speed and the poor battery endurance on mobile data, particularly 5G). Samsung also always saves the best displays for themselves.

I have a S22 plus and just got the Pixel 7 Pro on sale.
Obviously the Ultra is a lot different than the plus. I have no need for a spen on a phone. I am not a fan of curved screens either but I took a gamble because of the sale price and I really like vanilla android.
The text to speech is pretty amazing. The screen is also nicer than the S22 plus stuck at 1080p.
Battery life right out the box and installing and updating and syncing seems pretty good so far. Definitely better than my S22 plus.
I think the big difference is cost. The Ultra even with a recent trade in is almost as expensive as this device is on sale with no trade. That is a pretty significant factor to me.
The s23 Ultra will be a better phone no doubt. Samsung has the hardware on lock and the new 8 gen 2 even on Samsung fab should be a pretty significant upgrade.
However Google works magic with Pixel phones and slower processors so I don't think there will be a big difference in day to day use.
It really depends what you prioritize and like best. If you like OneUI and the absolute best hardware then hands down get the Samsung. Samsung Galaxy devices are some of the best and if the S22 plus had quad hd I might say get that instead but with the better screen and bigger battery the Ultra is best.
However if you like Google services, great AI features, decent camera, fast updates and good battery life and cost is a factor then the Pixel is a really great choice.

Having used both the S21 Ultra and Pixel 7 Pro, the S21 Ultra has both better battery life and performance overall. The only reasons to switch would be for the cleaner software experience, better camera, and slightly smaller size. I agree, wait for the S23 Ultra.

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Having used both the S21 Ultra and Pixel 7 Pro, the S21 Ultra has both better battery life and performance overall. The only reasons to switch would be for the cleaner software experience, better camera, and slightly smaller size. I agree, wait for the S23 Ultra.
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Is that S21 Ultra on Exynos or Snapdragon? For me in the UK on Exynos, the S21 Ultra absolutely did not have superior battery life to what I get on the P7P. And various reports I saw at the time said that, whilst the Snapdragon S21 Ultra was the better phone for performance, for battery life the Exynos was better. Although I can't confirm as I never had the SD variant.

The Snapdragon S21 Ultra perhaps has the best battery life of any mainstream Android device, closely followed by the S22 Ultra then the Pixel 7 Pro. It could be that the S22 Ultra being on Verizon and the S21 Ultra being on T-Mobile played a role. The 7 Pro is a good improvement over the 6 Pro battery wise.

Question Swapping my S22U to Pixel 7 Pro, final decision

We are a month before the s23u unveiling , I can still sell my s22u at 800ish $ but in a month it will start to loose resale value, so I am very tempted to switch to the Pixel 7 Pro
After a whole year with the s21u and 8 months with the s22u, I am bored and annoyed by samsung oneui, so I don't see myself another year with it.
The Oneplus 11 is just...average with a meh 2x zoom and nothing new as added value in the software and betting on a 11 Ultra is like betting on the lotery.
Xiaomi you will say? Well we don't have the Pro or Ultra series in my country (Lebanon) only the cheap ones and the UI is not sexy
The Pixel 7 Pro in another hand looks like a winner to me and is available in regular shops as we can't buy it online from Google, it's 1020$ for the 256gb model.
So here's the conclusion I got from reading reviews and videos, if I am wrong please let me know, or if you have additional point to add from your experience:
Advantages Pixel 7 Pro over the S22U:
-Rounded corners, more ergonomic
-Lighter by 17gm (I am pretty sure you can feel them on a smartphone) and 20gm with a s23u
-Rootable without the culprit of knox
-More responsive UI , what I HATE with samsung UI for the last 6 years is that you can't open anything as log as there is a micro scrolling animation, you end up tapping twice or 3 time to open an app or settings
-5x optical zoom is more useful than 10x in everyday life, at least for me, and the 2x hybrid zoom looks pretty sharp
-Speakers are louder and crisper
-Several new AI stuff, some gimmicky and other useful
-Tap tap on the back to launch an app
What I will loose:
-The slightly bigger screen size
-Shortcuts in the lockscreen
-Faster charging time, it takes about 50 mins to recharge from 30 to 100% on my s22u, how long your P7P takes?
-2 nano sim cards tray. I will have to transform my actual line to esim to let a place for a temporary sim card when traveling with the P7P
My questions:
-Can you use tap on the back while the screen is off, sort of replacing the missing shortcuts in the lockscreen? I use the torch light everyday
-Can you simply install a third party lockscreen or you will need a custom rom?
-Actual custom roms have the new AI stuff introduced on the P7 series?

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My questions:
-Can you use tap on the back while the screen is off, sort of replacing the missing shortcuts in the lockscreen? I use the torch light everyday
-Can you simply install a third party lockscreen or you will need a custom rom?
-Actual custom roms have the new AI stuff introduced on the P7 series?
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Yes
There is really no need for custom ROMS anymore
See above

Having used both the S22 Ultra and Pixel 7 Pro, I'd wait for the S23 Ultra, or even the Pixel 8 Pro. The S22 Ultra is simply the superior phone. The screen is way better (more vibrant, bright, and crisp), the scrolling is smoother (see the P7P scrolling issue), the battery life, charging speeds are better, and the reception / data speeds are better. Heck, using a series of mods, one can make the S22U UI look 95% like the Pixel UI without root.

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Having used both the S22 Ultra and Pixel 7 Pro, I'd wait for the S23 Ultra, or even the Pixel 8 Pro. The S22 Ultra is simply the superior phone. The screen is way better (more vibrant, bright, and crisp), the scrolling is smoother (see the P7P scrolling issue), the battery life, charging speeds are better, and the reception / data speeds are better. Heck, using a series of mods, one can make the S22U UI look 95% like the Pixel UI without root.
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I agree. I've had both the S22 Ultra since launch. I could get a Pixel 7 Pro through work for cheap (about <$200), and I've been using it since October. It's not a bad phone by any means, but overall I prefer the S22 Ultra. Better build quality, better screen, better battery life, better performance. Better, smoother overall experience (and I don't even use the stylus at all). I do like the faster shutter time of the P7P camera, though, so it's easier to capture moving objects.
I have deliberately hung on to my S22 Ultra. Samsung's Unpacked event is scheduled for February 1, when they will undoubtedly announce their S23 series. Assuming they will have similar trade-in deals as with the S22 Ultra last year (I ended up paying about $200 for my S22 Ultra with a trade-in of my S21 Ultra, with free $100 accessory credit to boot), I'm planning to take advantage of that and then sell my Pixel 7 Pro. I should easily come out ahead with that, with money left in my pocket. And even if I decide to keep my Pixel Pro 7, I can sell a brand-new S23 Ultra for a lot more than what I can get for my current S22 Ultra. Last year you got a $1,000 trade-in credit for the previous year's S21 Ultra. I would expect it should be similar this year, which should bring down the price for the S23 Ultra with S22 Ultra trade-in to $300 or so. And they might even throw in other incentives, such as accessory credit or a free watch.
You mention you could sell your S22 Ultra for $800 or so today. I highly doubt that. I'd be happy to get $600 for it, particularly with all the S22 Ultra discounts out there now to clear stock before the S23 Ultra launch.
Either way, it's a win-win for me, and I'll end up with a couple of hundred dollars in my pocket.
Good luck!
--Ron

pixel 7 pro best decission overALL

I am not in the US to get the good prices of the samsung trade in and besides I am tired of sammy UI, I don't see myself using a Samsung another year.
Though the screen image quality and charging time are the only 2 things that are not letting me swap my s22u with the Pixel easily.
I can cope with the slower charging time but what about the screen that you like it much more than the 7 Pro ? Is it because it's more saturated ? I found the vivid mode too vivid and the normal one too bleach , that's why I use the Cinema mode which is hidden and can't be selected but by an adb command, this mode made the saturation right in the middle between normal and vivid, is the Pixel 7 Pro somehow just less saturated than the S22U vivid mode?