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Does anyone know if the Sensation will have dual mics used for noise cancellation during calls?
I love this feature on the Nexus One. It works amazingly well. I can't see very switching to a phone that doesn't have it.
Yes it has.
dangerousp said:
Yes it has.
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Thanks. Is there a spec sheet somewhere that shows that? How do we know this is correct?
I think that is part of the dailer/software function instead of hardware thing. So, all android phone should have that function.
siamchen said:
I think that is part of the dailer/software function instead of hardware thing. So, all android phone should have that function.
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it in some way has to do with hardware tho since you need 2 mics to do it
the sensation does have more than 1 mic and yes it does have noise cancelling...
siamchen said:
I think that is part of the dailer/software function instead of hardware thing. So, all android phone should have that function.
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No, this is a hardware function that requires two mics, as xnifex says, and a special voice processing chip made by a company called Audience.
http://www.audience.com/index.php
The Nexus One was one of the first phones to use this chip, much later the iPhone 4 adopted it, so I want to know if the Sensation is using the same audience chip technology as found in the Nexus One.
I guess we'll have to wait for iFixit to tear it apart.
Looking at my sensation, the small hole above the camera appears to be a second microphone since if you remove the cover, the area underneath it has a little rubber grommet which I normally associate with microphones...
The Doctor said:
Looking at my sensation, the small hole above the camera appears to be a second microphone since if you remove the cover, the area underneath it has a little rubber grommet which I normally associate with microphones...
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Thanks for the info. That does seem like a promising sign. Although I do know that some phones, on accasion, have had an extra mic for stereo sound or noise cancellation in video capture, but then not use the mic for calls. And that can also be separate from having the audience chip, which really does an amazing job.
But it's sounding promising so far.
Audience chip is only one way of applying noise cancellation. It could be done via different methods. And it does have two mics (it has to to record in stereo). The manual doesn't mention it but it doesn't mention many things (it's huge and detailed but then again there are SO many things to cover that to cover them all would be overwhelming for any user).
Only a proper review or one of the ones to have the phone will be able to give you a definite answer.
to answer the question with fact here is what i found while trying to solve the 1 processor theory in many of the bench marks... yes there is hardware noise cancellation
The Snapdragon chipset platform is a highly integrated, mobile optimized system on a chip that features Qualcomm?s own ARM-based microprocessor core, graphics core, rich multimedia, GPS engine and wireless connectivity. Its advanced feature set includes:
Enhanced ARM-based CPUs designed from the ground up to deliver unprecedented computing performance
Industry-leading levels of power optimization, allowing manufacturers to design slim yet powerful devices with all-day battery life
Integrated 3G mobile broadband for a rich Internet experience with full Web browsing
Integrated GPU core for accelerated 2D and 3D graphics capabilities for rich multimedia, enhanced gaming, and user interface experiences
Built-in GPS engine with standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes for access to real-time, personalized and location-aware content
High-quality, high-resolution camera, HD video record and playback, and enhanced audio with noise cancellation
Support for leading mobile OS?s such as Android®, Windows® Phone and Brew™ Mobile Platform
solsearch said:
Audience chip is only one way of applying noise cancellation. It could be done via different methods. And it does have two mics (it has to to record in stereo). The manual doesn't mention it but it doesn't mention many things (it's huge and detailed but then again there are SO many things to cover that to cover them all would be overwhelming for any user).
Only a proper review or one of the ones to have the phone will be able to give you a definite answer.
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Yes there are different ways to do this. Motorola has their own solution. But in my experience the audience chip is very much superior to other solutions out there. The Nexus one is just amazing, in noisy settings. And it does seem odd to me that HTC would not be promoting this feature or even mention it in the manual. This is a feature that was very much highlighted in the release of the Nexus One and the iPhone. And, again, dual mics does not necessarily mean they're being used for the calls. Still you're right that perhaps only a review will settle the matter (although I'm always astonished how superficially the question of call quality is treated in reviews, if not ignored altogether).
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High-quality, high-resolution camera, HD video record and playback, and enhanced audio with noise cancellation.
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Thanks boostedb16b for the information about the chip. To me the fact that the noise cancellation is listed as a feature in the line that's about video recording suggests, as I said, that the feature may only be there for video recording and not for calls. This is the case in some other phones, like the Nokia N8, which also uses an ARM based cpu.
So I remain hopeful, but a little skeptical of the information given so far.
Well, the Sensation is starting to get a lot of reviews now. As usual, reviewers pay almost no attention to call quality and don't make serious attempts to test it.
That said, I'm seeing contradictory information about the noise cancellation on the Sensation.
Engadget says:
Calls on the Sensation were for the most part clear and competently handled. HTC has an extra microphone on the back of the handset, whose job we presume is to analyze external noise and nullify its effects. In voice calls, the other party heard us even on a busy street where we had our own struggles keeping up with what they were saying to us.
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But, in contrast, Techradar says:
Call quality on the HTC Sensation seems to be poorer than many other phones, which is even more perplexing when there seems to a be a separate noise reduction microphone on offer above the camera.
Even in slight wind we were asked if it was really gusty where we were, and in a bar environment we were practically inaudible.
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Engadget also pointed out the wind issue, when recording video.
I don't know, that's not really sounding like the kind of noise cancellation implementation found in the Nexus One and other phones equipped with the Audience chip. Most phones I find handle street noise (as in Engadget's positive review of the noise cancellation), much better that loud bars (as in Techradar's negative review of the noise cancellation). But on the Nexus One I can be in amazingly loud enviroments (loud music, other people talking, machines operating in the background) and people don't hear anything, often thinking I'm at home.
I'm thinking perhaps HTC passed on the audience chip either as a cost cutting measure or to save space (since the Sensation is pretty compact for a 4.3" screen device).
Just received these yesterday and they are excellent. Crystal clear sound and noise cancellation works well with Z5. Like most Sony earbuds, slightly lacking in bass response but I can get past that considering the music I listen to. Purchased from Clove UK.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/high-resolution-audio-headset-mdr-nc750/
https://www.clove.co.uk/sony-mdr-nc750-high-resolution-audio-headset
Do they have any in-line controls?
simbloke said:
Do they have any in-line controls?
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No, they don't.
Can the headset be used for hands-free phone calls, or are the built-in microphones solely for noise cancelling purposes?
dd23 said:
Can the headset be used for hands-free phone calls, or are the built-in microphones solely for noise cancelling purposes?
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No call functionality at all. They sound fantastic listening to FLAC recordings. I have parked my JBL's and using these exclusively for music. I would think they would improve with break in as well.
You can talk in to the back of the headphones, the mic is dual purpose so works with calls as well as noise cancelling.
Another cool feature is if you have this headset plugged in when recording video the phone records in stereo. Keep them in your ears though to get better stereoscopic sound whilst recording.)
It's odd how Sony don't market these features.
vermania said:
You can talk in to the back of the headphones, the mic is dual purpose so works with calls as well as noise cancelling.
Another cool feature is if you have this headset plugged in when recording video the phone records in stereo. Keep them in your ears though to get better stereoscopic sound whilst recording.)
It's odd how Sony don't market these features.
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Sony did market the feature for the older NC31EM. However, this comment is missing form the MC750 product page.
I wonder what the differences between the two really are, except price and design, obviously.
Upon further investigation, it looks like they can be used for calls:
http://www.sonymobile.co.jp/product/accessories/mdr-nc750/
Whats the difference between Sony MDR-NC750(70GBP) and Sony MDR-EX750(130GBP) ??
MDR-EX750 are rechargeable with in-line controls. MDR-NC750 have neither of these features.
Sh4rkill3r said:
Whats the difference between Sony MDR-NC750(70GBP) and Sony MDR-EX750(130GBP) ??
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Sony MDR-EX750 has Active Noise cancellation (doesn't require Z5), the Sony MDR-NC750 is basically a headphone with a microphone to take in background noise, but relies on the Z5 (or Z-series) phone to provide the noise cancellation -- meaning NC750's noise cancellation doesn't work on anything else but Sony products.
Just got a pair in today (via ebay seller - he never used them. The box was still sealed!) I already had the NC31EM's which I also enjoy and kinda bid on these assuming I wouldn't win them. Oops They are a little more comfortable and the cable is Y-split vs the right side requiring wrapping around the back of the head. I'll be breaking them in over the weekend and seeing how they sound and do with noise cancelation. I already found the NC31's did a fair job.
So, can anyone can confirm calls can be made though this ? That was the main problem for me in the NC31EM, I know that workes (But not always, don't ask me why) but the correspond wasn't prone to understand me correctly :/
Thanks !
Hey,
Just came here to say that the mic is functionnal for the NC750 and worked well during some calls. No control on the remote but I don't mind
Hi i can confirm that it works well and main button on remote works as to answer or finnish the call
doclloyd said:
Just got a pair in today (via ebay seller - he never used them. The box was still sealed!) I already had the NC31EM's which I also enjoy and kinda bid on these assuming I wouldn't win them. Oops They are a little more comfortable and the cable is Y-split vs the right side requiring wrapping around the back of the head. I'll be breaking them in over the weekend and seeing how they sound and do with noise cancelation. I already found the NC31's did a fair job.
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Hi, i know this is a very old post, however I'm curious if f what's the difference from NC31 and 750 in terms of audio quality, any significant difference? thanks
The difference is that NC750 are high resolution and the 31 are not (aside of some more audio improvements). And while it doesnt seem like much, i have both of them and the difference in audio quality is so high it cannot be described in words.
However, in order to fully utilize their potential i would recommend downloading a different music app other than the built in walkman because honestly the walkman is kind of crappy.
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The difference is that NC750 are high resolution and the 31 are not (aside of some more audio improvements). And while it doesnt seem like much, i have both of them and the difference in audio quality is so high it cannot be described in words.
However, in order to fully utilize their potential i would recommend downloading a different music app other than the built in walkman because honestly the walkman is kind of crappy.
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thanks for the feedback and advise, I'm using spotify premium at extreme quality, guess NC750 does make a good upgrade
TheBanana said:
The difference is that NC750 are high resolution and the 31 are not (aside of some more audio improvements). And while it doesnt seem like much, i have both of them and the difference in audio quality is so high it cannot be described in words.
However, in order to fully utilize their potential i would recommend downloading a different music app other than the built in walkman because honestly the walkman is kind of crappy.
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Hi, what about the sound quality of ex750 and nc750?
When you call granny, does she keep saying "Huh?! Wut?!" or does the conversation flow pretty well? Rate this thread to express how you feel about the Samsung Galaxy A70's call quality. A higher rating indicates that calls are clear and crisp, and that regardless of background noise, you can hear the other party clearly (and with ample volume) and they can hear you.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Poor Call quality Samsung A70
My A70s (and I have two) both have the same speech complaints. If we call each other, it's gambling about what the other person says. It is only in the speech from the A70 to the other caller, receiving what the other person is saying to the A70 device is good and constant. Device 1 has already been offered for repair twice, this week everything has been replaced except for the display and the battery. The problem is and remains, despite switching off calls over 4G, calling over Wifi, etc. The complaint is extensively known by some specific phone providers, I am with both devices at Tmobile and 1 with dual sim also at another Dutch provider. It just doesn't matter. Sound is and remains muffled and 'compressed' It seems to me like there is a very strong noise filter about what the device records in terms of sound and forwards it to the other side. All Phones are having the latest updates, but yes it remains unusable for a decent cellular conversation, and that this is a medium-sized device should not change that. I do think that Samsung does not respond adequately to the problem, resetting and replacing resembles symptom control rather than problem-solving. The complaints on the internet are not incidental and indicate that there is a serious problem, which in particular also damages the reputation of Samsung because no good solution is offered. I have had problems with these devices since July 22, 2019, and have not been fixed to date. Back to 3G seems nice, but besides calling a slow internet does not work either. I'm on version A705FNXXU3ASH1 / A705FNOXM3ASG6 / A705FNXXU3ASH1, security patch level July 1, 2019.
So I have to wait till Samsung solves the problem or I need to buy another brand
Terrible call quality on this phone, allmost all the people says me they can't hear me clearly.
So is my phone. At the service they told me that they cannot reproduce the defect!
Hello,
long time iPhone user here, last year i have been using the Airpods with my XS MAX that i sold.
I am looking for some "airpods equivelant" for my Samsung device (i got S10 and Note 10+)...i have unsuccesfully tried the Samsung Galaxy Buds, i am very dissapointed because the call quality which is the most important thing to me is not good at all, cant even compare it to the airpods...
So, what bluetooth would you recommend for everyday use, with good call quality so i can talk ?? I wouldn't like something like the old style bluetooth like Plantronics etc, i am looking for something fresh like Airpods, Galaxy Buds etc style
Airpods
You have Jabra. They have goods reviews.
From my experience, all bluetooth headsets have horrible call quality, including the Airpods. In a quiet place any would work fine, but once you go in public, it becomes really bad.
I always carry both wired and wireless headsets at the same time, just in case.
Huawei just released their Airpod clones. You could try one of those; otherwise Jabra's lineup are the best you're going to get without going into $250+ range.
Alternatively, you can just get Airpods. Even on Android, they have superior call quality, and there's plenty of apps on the Play Store that emulate the functionality it has on the iPhone or that the Galaxy Buds have on Samsung devices.
I use Cambridge Audio Melomamia 1's
Superb battery life and more subtle in the ears, I love them.
RAFbombhead said:
I use Cambridge Audio Melomamia 1's
Superb battery life and more subtle in the ears, I love them.
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WOA! What a surprise! They look great
https://www.techradar.com/reviews/cambridge-audio-melomania-1
luismix said:
WOA! What a surprise! They look great
https://www.techradar.com/reviews/cambridge-audio-melomania-1
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One minor annoyance about the Melomania 1 is the microUSB charging port on the case.
An alternative to consider is the Creative Outlier Air TWS. IMO, it performs better than the reviews - both from the sonic aspects (details and presence), connectivity and price point, not to mention it's USB-C and rated for 10-hr per charge (plus 20 from the case). When it comes to sound quality and connectivity, they are my favorites. I have yet to experience any connection drop in various environment with plenty of radio-noise. The button is not as convenient as others, and I had to paint the LED-ring with flat black model paint to conceal the annoying pulsating blue light when there is no active sound source, even if BT is connected.
Sony wf-1000xm3. Best in class.
Xiaomi Mi Airdots, 30$ (so cheap) and they sound really good even in calls
I bought just now an Edifier TWS-1 ~ $30 from Ali, with ship from Spain. I am satisfied with it, 8-9 hrs battery and case can charge them 3-4 times, sum 34 hrs. It has built-in mic, I think that is crap, but sound drivers are OK. I recommend it.
I ordered the Liberty 2 Pro from Soundcore. I'll let you know if they are any good.
I vote on Xiaomi Mi Airdots too, cheap and awesome sound.
themohd said:
From my experience, all bluetooth headsets have horrible call quality, including the Airpods. In a quiet place any would work fine, but once you go in public, it becomes really bad.
I always carry both wired and wireless headsets at the same time, just in case.
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THIS!
Any wireless bud can only put its microphone as close to your mouth as your ear is. In a perfectly quiet setting, this is fine, as even several inches from your mouth, the signal to noise ratio will be high, and others can likely hear you well. For the galaxy buds, they have a second mic inside the bud (but outside your sealed canal. That isn't a very good place to collect sound from your voice, but is better than having a ton of background noise covering up your talking. So they switch to the inside mic whenever the outside mic measures a lot of noise. They just do some equalization on that signal to remove most of the spectrum outside of your primary voice frequencies (especially for intelligibility). It will sound bad (robot-like), but at least the other side will likely be able to make out your words.
If you want a decent headset for calls, you need to get the mic on a boom fairly close to your mouth. That's why you see so many of the wired headset folks holding the mic close to their mouth when speaking. I too keep a wired headset with a boom just for calls. Not needed if I have my buds in and I am in a quiet room, but pretty much necessary any other time.
Airpods works fine with Android. I'm using an app called MaterialPods to check battery status etc.
Creative Outlier Air. A little pricey, but they have great battery life and their sound quality is well above their price range. I bought them for my daughter and I will buy them for myself too.
RAFbombhead said:
I use Cambridge Audio Melomamia 1's
Superb battery life and more subtle in the ears, I love them.
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I googled them and.. I mean... They might sound good, but it would be nice if they won't look like buttplugs for your ears
OP, why not just use Airpods? They work great on Android devices, you still get the same decent AAC audio and the fit and design clearly works for you. I have some of the Melomania as well, but I use Airpods when I'm out and about.
Creative Outlier Air.
Great sound quality, highest battery endurance and very good for talking. No dropouts or connectivity problems in general with my Galaxy S10.
The buttons could have been better, but it's just a minor annoyance.
Reystar22 said:
Hello,
long time iPhone user here, last year i have been using the Airpods with my XS MAX that i sold.
I am looking for some "airpods equivelant" for my Samsung device (i got S10 and Note 10+)...i have unsuccesfully tried the Samsung Galaxy Buds, i am very dissapointed because the call quality which is the most important thing to me is not good at all, cant even compare it to the airpods...
So, what bluetooth would you recommend for everyday use, with good call quality so i can talk ?? I wouldn't like something like the old style bluetooth like Plantronics etc, i am looking for something fresh like Airpods, Galaxy Buds etc style
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Why did you sell your airpods. You do realize they work with Android?
When I receive/make calls – there is some kind of white background noise from the built-in speaker when people talk. I have made some tests with help from my family – where I have called both landlines and 3 different mobile numbers. The presence of the white noise can vary from time to time. I have tried my old phone a Huawei Mate 10 Pro – and my mums phone a Huawei Mate 10 Lite right after doing the tests to compare the sound quality at those two phones using the exact same locations (the other person have when used my Oppo). The sound quality in the built-in speakers of those 2 mobile phones doesn’t have the same noise and the sound quality is better.
I called my brother yesterday talking about the “noise” problems. He said that in his end it was like there was some kind of scratch at the end of some of the words (he is using a Huawei). He hadn’t experienced it when other people call. I actually experienced the same with the Oppo one of the first time I made a call.
Have any one else experienced something like i describe?