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Last month I was throttled at about 3.5gb and I ended up at 14gb by the end of the month. This was my protest for being throttled. Mind you, the last 7 months usage I usually do 3.5-4gb.
This month I got my 5% warning and im sure will be throttled within the next few days. When that happens I plan to do 100gb
Will AT&T cancel my account ? is this a stupid way to protest? What do you guys think?
Tbh, I think my last month raised the top 5% because this month I got my first warning at 3.8gb…last month my first warning was at 3.2 and i was throttled at 3.5
No, I don't think they will because everytime you get close to the threshold you'll be throttled. I had a very long and wasteful talk with one of their representative.
Throttled at GB and 13 days left. So far I have used more than 15 GB thanks to the APN switch. I don't care I am paying for unlimited data so nobody can tell me otherwise. AT&T can throttle my speed all they want but unlimited data is what we are paying for. Thank god for APN switch.
I am just trying to figure out how you guys can consume that much data each month. Are your phones streaming videos and music 24x7 or something? I am just curious as to what a typical day of use would be for you.
I also have unlimited data but I barely use 2GB's per month cause most places have wifi now and if I am out of the house with the family or friends, I TRY not to keep my face buried in my phone.
As far as your method of protest (@waiters), I personally think it IS stupid if you are going that far simply because they are throttling you. Just because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing. Just my opinion.
But as you stated, you are guaranteed unlimited data, so have fun...
First of all to everyone ,
i haven't gotten my skyrocket yet until friday, but im sure its the same with the iphone .iv been with an iphone since 07 when it was first released , luckily i one of them in a handful that HAD the unlimited plan until last month . ATT will not cancel your data plan , they will just apply you with a new data plan (4gb a month) . i was warned months before my plan got changed . first started with sms from att then emails and lastlly and sms&email notifing me with the change.
so long story short ,ATT will just change your plan .most likely to you will get 4gb a months and 10$ after each gb .
BTW my choice to switch to android after so many years after being loyal apple customer was nothing more then to try out other operating systems Oh and 4G . especially after being disappointed of the iphone4s which wasnt much of a change from the iphone4. Dont get me wrong IOS is and wonderful system ,very user friendly . lets hope android turns good for me too as its community. Any tips or redirection to great forums like this one will be greatly appreciated
I upload a ton of pics and vids of the family...download roms..stream pandora and stream slingbox in the car or at restaraunts. I also tend to sit and watch youtube for hours at work. the wife and i average about 4gb a month each. we ise wifi when home
The real problems I have are that
1. last month i was throttled after being on vacation for three weeks ...so yeah heavy data usage
2. if we go out of town and have heavy data usage the first weekend of the month...bam...throttled for the rest of the month...super lame to be throttled because we used "more" than whoever they are comparing us to at the beginning of the cycle.
3. every notification I have received has been within an hour of streaming slingbox .. Seems fishy
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I am just trying to figure out how you guys can consume that much data each month. Are your phones streaming videos and music 24x7 or something? I am just curious as to what a typical day of use would be for you.
I also have unlimited data but I barely use 2GB's per month cause most places have wifi now and if I am out of the house with the family or friends, I TRY not to keep my face buried in my phone.
As far as your method of protest (@waiters), I personally think it IS stupid if you are going that far simply because they are throttling you. Just because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing. Just my opinion.
But as you stated, you are guaranteed unlimited data, so have fun...
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waiters said:
This month I got my 5% warning and im sure will be throttled within the next few days. When that happens I plan to do 100gb
Will AT&T cancel my account ? is this a stupid way to protest? What do you guys think?
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I would like to offer my input here by saying that that sounds like a GREAT way to protest.
Clearly these thresholds are going to HAVE to be changed with our current level and generation of wireless speeds. It's obviously impractical for the limits being as low as they are (before throttling).
They need to wake UP and take some action, and until they do that I say feel free to do whatever you'd like to nudge them along to hopefully get their tails moving in the right direction.
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First of all to everyone ,
i haven't gotten my skyrocket yet until friday, but im sure its the same with the iphone .iv been with an iphone since 07 when it was first released , luckily i one of them in a handful that HAD the unlimited plan until last month . ATT will not cancel your data plan , they will just apply you with a new data plan (4gb a month) . i was warned months before my plan got changed . first started with sms from att then emails and lastlly and sms&email notifing me with the change.
so long story short ,ATT will just change your plan .most likely to you will get 4gb a months and 10$ after each gb .
BTW my choice to switch to android after so many years after being loyal apple customer was nothing more then to try out other operating systems Oh and 4G . especially after being disappointed of the iphone4s which wasnt much of a change from the iphone4. Dont get me wrong IOS is and wonderful system ,very user friendly . lets hope android turns good for me too as its community. Any tips or redirection to great forums like this one will be greatly appreciated
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were u forced off ur unlimited for tethering or for Internet usage?att has a policy in place to force unauthorized tethering people off unlimited data plans
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Internet usage , cause I didn't own a laptop or of to be tethering off to . I would of switched over to sprint but unfortunately they have really really low speeds
AT&T really needs to think things through. Fine with throttling data, but AT&T needs to be clear about what is exactly the cap limit and let the consumer know about it. Now, for LTE, the cap needs to be higher than 6 GB a month. LTE speeds are very fast and with all of those updates from the market, streaming content such as videos @ 720 and HQ music your data will be consumed in no time. Your call AT&T, keep being sneaky and don't face the heat or just adapt to the fact that many consumer will start going the route of switching APN's on their phones and getting good HSPA+ speeds. I am lucky I live in Dallas were HSPA+ speeds are within 7 to 10mb download every time. Android 2.3.5 + HSPA+=winning combination for consumers.
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I upload a ton of pics and vids of the family...download roms..stream pandora and stream slingbox in the car or at restaraunts. I also tend to sit and watch youtube for hours at work. the wife and i average about 4gb a month each. we ise wifi when home
The real problems I have are that
1. last month i was throttled after being on vacation for three weeks ...so yeah heavy data usage
2. if we go out of town and have heavy data usage the first weekend of the month...bam...throttled for the rest of the month...super lame to be throttled because we used "more" than whoever they are comparing us to at the beginning of the cycle.
3. every notification I have received has been within an hour of streaming slingbox .. Seems fishy
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Thanks for the honest reply. I was honestly curious. I have heard that sling box has horrible (meaning almost zero) data compression, so that doesn't surprise me. Do you have a data monitor on your phone so you can see how much each app is pulling? Might be interesting to know.
Installed one last night.
To give you an idea of the amount of control I use, I apparenyly use about 1-2gb of data a night on wifi.
I am using "my data manager" which tracks wifi and cell data. I am curious to see if claims that heavy amounts of cell data are still being used even though I am connected to wifi.
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Thanks for the honest reply. I was honestly curious. I have heard that sling box has horrible (meaning almost zero) data compression, so that doesn't surprise me. Do you have a data monitor on your phone so you can see how much each app is pulling? Might be interesting to know.
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I'm just trying to figure out Att's new throttle policy.
Someone started the rumor that while talking to att's throttle department, they were told that it would be based on a person's last month's usage.
Each one of us was interpreting this differently. Some say you will only be throttled when you hit your last month usage. meaning if you used 30 gb then you can use up to 30 gb the following month. I thought it would be if your previous month's usage was in the top 5% then you are screwed this month. It seems counter productive for att to follow this policy. Everyone will be using as much data to have more speed the following month.
I did some research and could only find that att's policy was always to base the top 5% users on the previous month's statistics of their whole consumer base.
Can you guys confirm this? Especially for those who have been unthrottled. what is your previous months stat compared to this month?
Here
PC Mag article from today with some good information.
I don't see how they could fairly base it on how much you personally/individually used the prior month/billing period. That could be even worse for some that don't use that much data even though they have an unlimited plan, as they could conceivably get throttled at 500 MB - maybe less. And furthermore, it flies in the face of their supposed concern which is the alleged "data hogs" on the network. Plus, if that were the case, wouldn't you just stream Pandora or something every night while you sleep and eventually get your "allowed" GB limit way up after a few months?
To me, if you are going to go with the ambiguous top 5% (as opposed to a sort of soft "cap" like T-Mobile's 5 GB throttle threshhold) the only fair way to do it is to base the 5% from the previous month/billing cycle on a nationwide standard of all UNLIMITED plan users (those on tiered plans should not be used in the calculation). A nationwide standard seems more equitable than punishing or rewarding people based on where they live and establishing the 5% "for a person's region." Why should I be punished or rewarded just because I live in Dallas when compared to someone who lives in Atlanta or NY.
To me, if they are going to insist on throttling and claiming it is based on bandwidth/spectrum concerns (which it is clearly not, since I'm sure they would gladly let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB in a billing period and just charge them $170 more that period - and someone using 20 GB of data on a tiered plan uses the same amount of bandwidth/spectrum as someone using 20 GB on an unlimited plan), then a reasonable policy would be something like:
1) If you are unlimited, you get up to 5 GB without having your LTE speeds throttled...ever (similar to T-Mobile's policy)
2) Once you go over 5 GB in a billing period, you can be throttled to 3G speeds if you are on a congested tower, but once you are connected to a non-congested tower (whether because you are on the same tower when you got throttled, but it is no longer congested, or you changed towers because you left the house, got home, etc.) you are back to LTE speeds (similar to Verizon's policy)
No more of this ambiguous, inconsistent 5% nonsense. Put something concrete and transparent in place. And in my opinion, either #1 or #2 above would be better than what they do now.
However, I doubt they would ever put a policy in place that combined #1 and #2 above because it would likely not help achieve AT&T's goal with the throttling, which is clearly to "encourage" people to drop their unlimited plans for tiered plans so AT&T can make more money.
does anyone know the phone number to the throttle department?
AT&T’s policies are broken. First they decide to throttle the top 5% without releasing any information on what that is. Soon after we realize those using
Netflix, hulu, and slingbox were being throttled at around 2GB when others were being throttled much later (probably more closer to the real “top 5%” of the area)
Then AT&T stopped penalizing people using their phones to stream movies and tv shows and started throttling everybody at 2GB or less
Now, there are rumors of a “press release” which hasn’t been seen anywhere yet that says they will base throttling off last month’s data usage.
However things are about to change again, as a judge recently awarded a throttling customer $850 stating “it wasn't fair for the company to purposely slow down his iPhone, when it had sold him an "unlimited data" plan.”
This opens up a whole can of worms for AT&T, one they will feel. If even a fraction of those throttled gets a similar payout this would be very bad for AT&T. lets pretend 800,000x$850= $680,000,000
AT&T’s next move could quite possibly hurt the company more than any scandal it could ever imagine.
My guess is they will do less throttling and even that will be at higher levels then we have seen over the last few months, maybe around 5gb? 10gb? In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they stopped throttling all together.
Im sure after dude won his $850, at least 10’s of thousands of people have already filed small claims suits against the company already, when more of those articles come out, you will see that number jump to the hundreds of thousands.
if you haven't read about the small claims suit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...data-throttling_n_1300212.html?ref=technology
http://www.examiner.com/technology-in-national/at-t-iphone-user-wins-data-throttling-case-850
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/att-throttling-customer/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mickeym...this-two-big-consumer-small-claims-victories/
I was "unthrottled" earlier this week....still there now.
Curious to see what happens next month
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Happy someone did it. I was forced to switch to a tiered plan from my unlimited because I was being throttled at around 2gb. That lasted maybe a week and a half then my new lte skyrocket was pretty much useless data wise. I'm on the 3gb plan for the same price. I hope more people sue att.
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00mred00 said:
I was "unthrottled" earlier this week....still there now.
Curious to see what happens next month
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How much data did you use last month?
How much this month?
I'm more curious about their throttling department, I WOULD love to talk to them, since my last throttling was around 7 gb and now I'm being threatened around 3 gb, total bull****.
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I was warned in December at 4 1/2 gigs and then throttled in January at 2 gigs....BUT I was up in NY with LTE speeds in December but live in a non-LTE area so I think they considered me in the top 5% for where I live NOT where I was using the data. My fastest d/l speed at my house is 4mb. I think 4mb is throttled compared to people that have LTE so I think I shouldn't be throttled at all.
Oddly, AT&T continues to claim that throttling policies are in place to save spectrum, however, it would seem that the very people they try to throttle (unlimited LTE data plans) are using less "spectrum" overall than 2G and 3G users. That being said, people using rediculous amounts of data (abusive) need to be throttled...perhaps similar to Verizon's throttling which is currently a more fair approach. Here is an article about the "spectrum" crisis that could happen...
"LTE, for example, can handle roughly six to eight times the capacity of a 2G network. Some of those savings would be lost to users taking advantage of video and other high-bandwidth services available on LTE, but not so much as to use up all the increased efficiencies.
Graduated or tiered bandwidth pricing, likewise, discourages excessive network use by a few extreme customers, especially at peak times."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...disaster-now-for-the-hard-part/#ixzz1nT31Jb5O
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Oddly, AT&T continues to claim that throttling policies are in place to save spectrum, however, it would seem that the very people they try to throttle (unlimited LTE data plans) are using less "spectrum" overall than 2G and 3G users. That being said, people using rediculous amounts of data (abusive) need to be throttled...perhaps similar to Verizon's throttling which is currently a more fair approach. Here is an article about the "spectrum" crisis that could happen...
"LTE, for example, can handle roughly six to eight times the capacity of a 2G network. Some of those savings would be lost to users taking advantage of video and other high-bandwidth services available on LTE, but not so much as to use up all the increased efficiencies.
Graduated or tiered bandwidth pricing, likewise, discourages excessive network use by a few extreme customers, especially at peak times."
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...disaster-now-for-the-hard-part/#ixzz1nT31Jb5O
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While the tiered pricing may theoretically encourage people to use less spectrum, AT&T would happily let someone on a 3 GB tiered plan use 20 GB and change them an extra $170 that period.
The thing is that that tiered user takes up just as much spectrum to get to that 20 GB as an unlimited user who also uses 20 GB - the $10 charged for each additional GB of usage in a tiered plan does does not magically create additional spectrum. The ONLY difference is that the unlimited would essentially be paying $1.50/GB, while the tiered user would be paying $10/GB, and AT&T does not like that because they aren't making as much money as they could.
So while they can say that tiered plans encourage people to use less data (which to some extent it probably does/would) and that is a good thing because spectrum is limited, at the end of the day, the heart of the matter boils down to money...plain and simple. And AT&T wants to get people off unlimited plans, not because of a spectrum issue, but because they want to make more money.
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How much data did you use last month?
How much this month?
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I used 5 and was throttled last month...end total was 7
At 2 i was throttled this month. When unthrottled i was at 9. No clue what i am at now a week later but i will check
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You need to report this. From what I understand it is not supposed to be throttling at that low of usage AND if you are throttled, it should only be down to 3G speeds from LTE speeds.
I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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I wouldn't mind as much if we were just throttled to 3g speeds.
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Yup.. it's gd terrible lol, I think edge is faster than their throttled speeds.
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Yup.. it's gd terrible lol, I think edge is faster than their throttled speeds.
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that's correct. throttle speeds are edge speeds.
00mred00 said:
I used 5 and was throttled last month...end total was 7
At 2 i was throttled this month. When unthrottled i was at 9. No clue what i am at now a week later but i will check
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I wonder if their new policy will begin next month and will be used on this month's use. I'm just debating whether I should raise my usage. I'm still below 2gigs unthrottled with some 10 days left.
btw I remember you were the one who said that this would be their new policy.
do you happen to have the throttle dpt direct #?
BTW i was thinking. should someone start a thread about the lawsuit on the att forums?
Verizon backs off plans to throttle unlimited data users:
http://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-backs-off-on-plans-to-throttle-unlimited-data-users/
Awesome news.
Sweet victory! Perhaps the FCC finally did its job?
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Honestly I think it may have been a good idea, after all why should data hogs get to slow everyone else's speeds down ? If someone is using a ridiculous amount of data why should everyone else have to suffer for it ?
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Honestly I think it may have been a good idea, after all why should data hogs get to slow everyone else's speeds down ? If someone is using a ridiculous amount of data why should everyone else have to suffer for it ?
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Or maybe, since some customers are entitled to unlimited data, Verizon should keep their infrastructure updated and upgraded to handle the demand rather than blame someone for using a service they're paying for.
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Or maybe, since some customers are entitled to unlimited data, Verizon should keep their infrastructure updated and upgraded to handle the demand rather than blame someone for using a service they're paying for.
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I"am talking about the real data hogs the ones that stream videos all day long. With all their customers it would be nearly impossible to be able update that much to where the data hogs dont affect all the others using data, they can only do so much its not like they can just pull those kind of updates out of there arse.
I"am talking realistically that is why verizons data is slower than at&t's because verizons is already congested enough then add on data hogs and everyone else feels the effects of the over users, which its the ones that brag about how much data they use like they are proud of it and try to use as much as they can and have no reguard for anyone but themselves.
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I"am talking about the real data hogs the ones that stream videos all day long. With all their customers it would be nearly impossible to be able update that much to where the data hogs dont affect all the others using data, they can only do so much its not like they can just pull those kind of updates out of there arse.
I"am talking realistically that is why verizons data is slower than at&t's because verizons is already congested enough then add on data hogs and everyone else feels the effects of the over users, which its the ones that brag about how much data they use like they are proud of it and try to use as much as they can and have no reguard for anyone but themselves.
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Streaming videos all day long should be an acceptable use of unlimited data. The real problem is people torrenting and tethering and racking up 100+GB/mo. Even then, those people are a vast minority and I doubt they have a realistic effect when looking at the big picture.
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I"am talking about the real data hogs the ones that stream videos all day long.
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Well, the problem with that is, from what I've read Verizon has said the top so called 5 percent (of "data hogs") supposedly is those that use 4 GBs and up. I find it hard to believe that 4 gigs makes the top 5 percent. I'm one who still has unlimited data. I use anywhere from 4 GB's to 6 GB's of data a month. Something that isn't hard to do. If I happen to use 5 GB's, or even 10, I'd like to know how my 5 congest the network anymore than somebody who's on a 10 gig plan and uses 5 in that same month does.
To me, it's obvious this was nothing more than a ploy to try to force those that still have unlimited data to get off it. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with it if they'd do the same with everyone. But to just single somebody like me out when the guy who has a 10 gig plan uses more than I do is, well, like I said, it's obvious what it is.
It seems to me if they want to get rid of the unlimited data users they should just eliminate the plan. Can't quite figure out why they don't do that. Nobody who has unlimited has a contract with them anymore so I can't see any legal type reason. Perhaps there are more of us left out there than I think and they are worried that it would cause too many customers to jump and run. So, instead, try to squeeze them out slowly and eventually when there isn't enough of them left to worry about, eliminate the plan all together.
Can anybody tell me how my 4-6 GBs a month congests the network anymore than the guy who has a 10 GB plan and uses the same does? I didn't think so.
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Streaming videos all day long should be an acceptable use of unlimited data. The real problem is people torrenting and tethering and racking up 100+GB/mo. Even then, those people are a vast minority and I doubt they have a realistic effect when looking at the big picture.
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I think they should be cut to at least half speed when they go over 5 gb's that is fairly reasonable. I think they slow things down more than people realize, you have to take in to account how congested a lot of towers can be in populated areas and they are infringing upon the rights of others, Why should they be able to slow everyone else down ?
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I think they should be cut to at least half speed when they go over 5 gb's that is fairly reasonable. I think they slow things down more than people realize, you have to take in to account how congested a lot of towers can be in populated areas and they are infringing upon the rights of others, Why should they be able to slow everyone else down ?
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I think you're missing the point - if you're sold an "unlimited" service it should be unlimited. It's fully Verizon's responsibility to provide the infrastructure that can support the service they sold. If they can't support said service then they shouldn't have it as an option.
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Well, the problem with that is, from what I've read Verizon has said the top so called 5 percent (of "data hogs") supposedly is those that use 4 GBs and up. I find it hard to believe that 4 gigs makes the top 5 percent. I'm one who still has unlimited data. I use anywhere from 4 GB's to 6 GB's of data a month. Something that isn't hard to do. If I happen to use 5 GB's, or even 10, I'd like to know how my 5 congest the network anymore than somebody who's on a 10 gig plan and uses 5 in that same month does.
To me, it's obvious this was nothing more than a ploy to try to force those that still have unlimited data to get off it. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with it if they'd do the same with everyone. But to just single somebody like me out when the guy who has a 10 gig plan uses more than I do is, well, like I said, it's obvious what it is.
It seems to me if they want to get rid of the unlimited data users they should just eliminate the plan. Can't quite figure out why they don't do that. Nobody who has unlimited has a contract with them anymore so I can't see any legal type reason. Perhaps there are more of us left out there than I think and they are worried that it would cause too many customers to jump and run. So, instead, try to squeeze them out slowly and eventually when there isn't enough of them left to worry about, eliminate the plan all together.
Can anybody tell me how my 4-6 GBs a month congests the network anymore than the guy who has a 10 GB plan and uses the same does? I didn't think so.
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I"am not talking about total data per say I"am talking about data hogs that slow down others in populated areas, if the data speed is there then I think it shouldn't matter but when they are infringing upon the rights of others by slowing them down because they are being a " Data Hog " then they should be cut to half speed.
I"am not saying cut them to 3g speed but cut them to half the lte speed if they are affecting the use of others speed wise.
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It seems to me if they want to get rid of the unlimited data users they should just eliminate the plan. Can't quite figure out why they don't do that. Nobody who has unlimited has a contract with them anymore so I can't see any legal type reason. Perhaps there are more of us left out there than I think and they are worried that it would cause too many customers to jump and run. So, instead, try to squeeze them out slowly and eventually when there isn't enough of them left to worry about, eliminate the plan all together.
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There are actually people out there with unlimited contracts. In fact, I renewed my contract several months ago and kept my unlimited data. There are still ways around it.
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I"am not talking about total data per say I"am talking about data hogs that slow down others in populated areas, if the data speed is there then I think it shouldn't matter but when they are infringing upon the rights of others by slowing them down because they are being a " Data Hog " then they should be cut to half speed.
I"am not saying cut them to 3g speed but cut them to half the lte speed if they are affecting the use of others speed wise.
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The only fair solution here is to throttle everyone equally. As stated by robocuff, throttling unlimited plans is just a ploy to get people to move over to metered plans.
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I think you're missing the point - if you're sold an "unlimited" service it should be unlimited. It's fully Verizon's responsibility to provide the infrastructure that can support the service they sold. If they can't support said service then they shouldn't have it as an option.
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Cellular providers have a different definition of unlimited, most providers have a 2 to 3 gb limit even on unlimited plans. I think sprint capped theirs at 5 gb's at some point not sure anymore. They have to limit or you have people using their cell data plan for their home internet and use 100 gb's or more tethering to computers.
I"am not talking about saving them money what I"am talking about is how these abusers affect the other data users why should the normal user be affected by these data hogs, how is that fair to the average user ?
They should be slowed to 1/2 lte speed if they are affecting others as they have no right to abuse and affect everyone else.
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There are actually people out there with unlimited contracts. In fact, I renewed my contract several months ago and kept my unlimited data. There are still ways around it.
The only fair solution here is to throttle everyone equally. As stated by robocuff, throttling unlimited plans is just a ploy to get people to move over to metered plans.
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If they hog the data then they should be slowed down, that would not be fair to the average user. Why should data hogs be allowed to put their needs over everyone else ?
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Cellular providers have a different definition of unlimited, most providers have a 2 to 3 gb limit even on unlimited plans. I think sprint capped theirs at 5 gb's at some point not sure anymore. They have to limit or you have people using their cell data plan for their home internet and use 100 gb's or more tethering to computers.
I"am not talking about saving them money what I"am talking about is how these abusers affect the other data users why should the normal user be affected by these data hogs, how is that fair to the average user ?
They should be slowed to 1/2 lte speed if they are affecting others as they have no right to abuse and affect everyone else.
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The solution is for Verzon to upgrade their infrastructure or stop offering unlimited plans. Aside from that, I think we should agree to disagree since this is going in circles.
dante020 said:
The solution is for Verzon to upgrade their infrastructure or stop offering unlimited plans. Aside from that, I think we should agree to disagree since this is going in circles.
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It all boils down to fairness abusers should not be able to affect the use of others.
Roefastford said:
I"am not talking about total data per say I"am talking about data hogs that slow down others in populated areas, if the data speed is there then I think it shouldn't matter but when they are infringing upon the rights of others by slowing them down because they are being a " Data Hog " then they should be cut to half speed.
I"am not saying cut them to 3g speed but cut them to half the lte speed if they are affecting the use of others speed wise.
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I understand that but the problem with it is Verizon isn't talking about just those that you're talking about. They're including those that may use less data than somebody on a tiered plan. I fail to see how that can be optimizing anything when they allow others to use more and not throttle them too.
robocuff said:
I understand that but the problem with it is Verizon isn't talking about just those that you're talking about. They're including those that may use less data than somebody on a tiered plan. I fail to see how that can be optimizing anything when they allow others to use more and not throttle them too.
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Yeah maybe they should just throttle anyone to half lte speed after they use so much data in one day, such as limit each one line to a data limit of 1 gb then over 1 gb in a day and lte speeds go to 1/2 speed of the others that used less than 1 gb.
That would be extremely reasonable and fair and would slow down the hogs using 100 gb's and such so even on unlimited they could still get up to 30 gb's in a 30 day period all at full speed and anything over the 1 gb per day goes to 1/2 the lte speed of others.
Roefastford said:
If they hog the data then they should be slowed down, that would not be fair to the average user. Why should data hogs be allowed to put their needs over everyone else ?
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One more response and then I'm done. Data isn't a limited resource, although bandwidth sometimes is. Consider the case where someone with an unlimited plan uses 5GB of data on an uncongested tower and affects nobody. Then, they move to a different and congested tower. Is it fair that, according to you, they should be throttled simply because they have "unlimited" data and already used their allowance of unthrottled data? Keep in mind that Verizon has no problem letting a limited plan run as fast as possible. In fact, if a limited plan passes its limit, service isn't interrupted - the account is charged and data keeps on flowing. It is beneficial for Verizon to keep all limited plans running at full speed so that they can maximize revenue.
Bottom line is, this is just a money-making ploy. You can still be a "data hog" with a limited plan so long as you keep your wallet open so your argument of "fairness" isn't valid.
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One more response and then I'm done. Data isn't a limited resource, although bandwidth sometimes is. Consider the case where someone with an unlimited plan uses 5GB of data on an uncongested tower and affects nobody. Then, they move to a different and congested tower. Is it fair that, according to you, they should be throttled simply because they have "unlimited" data and already used their allowance of unthrottled data? Keep in mind that Verizon has no problem letting a limited plan run as fast as possible. In fact, if a limited plan passes its limit, service isn't interrupted - the account is charged and data keeps on flowing. It is beneficial for Verizon to keep all limited plans running at full speed so that they can maximize revenue.
Bottom line is, this is just a money-making ploy. You can still be a "data hog" with a limited plan so long as you keep your wallet open so your argument of "fairness" isn't valid.
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They should just throttle anyone to half lte speed after they use so much data in one day, such as limit each one line to a data limit of 1 gb then over 1 gb in a day and lte speeds go to 1/2 speed of the others that used less than 1 gb.
That would be extremely reasonable and fair and would slow down the hogs using 100 gb's and such so even on unlimited they could still get up to 30 gb's in a 30 day period all at full speed and anything over the 1 gb per day goes to 1/2 the lte speed of others.
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Well, the problem with that is, from what I've read Verizon has said the top so called 5 percent (of "data hogs") supposedly is those that use 4 GBs and up. I find it hard to believe that 4 gigs makes the top 5 percent. I'm one who still has unlimited data. I use anywhere from 4 GB's to 6 GB's of data a month. Something that isn't hard to do. If I happen to use 5 GB's, or even 10, I'd like to know how my 5 congest the network anymore than somebody who's on a 10 gig plan and uses 5 in that same month does.
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This right here. The only instance where 4.6 gigs is the "top 5 percent" is when you factor in ALL data plans, including the cheap ones. I'll bet you any money that's how they arrived at that number.
It should've been the top 5 percent of unlimited data users only.
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Div033 said:
This right here. The only instance where 4.6 gigs is the "top 5 percent" is when you factor in ALL data plans, including the cheap ones. I'll bet you any money that's how they arrived at that number.
It should've been the top 5 percent of unlimited data users only.
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My thoughts exactly. I'd be willing to bet they're including those who aren't using smart phones. So called dumb phones. They use data too.
Hey I'm just wondering has anyone tried using Grid over mobile network rather than wifi. My internet speed is abysmal (rural Ireland) and the only way I can use grid is over a wifi hotspot from my phone. I haven't got a package yet as I am wondering how much data Grid uses to stream games. Anyone any idea?
its really to be used on WiFi or Ethernet. i imagine it uses a fairly heavy amount of data.
I read an article online that said it used about 1GB an hour.
Ooh. That's hefty. I'm just going to have to wait for my area to get proper broadband so :'(
I've used it on a 4G LTE network. The next day I checked my data usage and it says I used 1.5GB of data that day. I'll be sticking to WiFi.
I've got an unlimited data contract so I don't care too much for use. But yes I tried it over an H+ connection to play Lego LOTR and it was a surprisingly enjoyable experience.
I also tested playing my home PC games and that wasn't too shabby either. Dragon Age Inquisition was easily playable!
That would be ideal but for me the only deals on pre pay are all for 15gb, which I'm not sure would be enough to use grid over a month, although I might only be using it on the weekends so I could give it a try. Is yours truly 'unlimited' or is there a fair usage policy? @kickassdave
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That would be ideal but for me the only deals on pre pay are all for 15gb, which I'm not sure would be enough to use grid over a month, although I might only be using it on the weekends so I could give it a try. Is yours truly 'unlimited' or is there a fair usage policy? @kickassdave
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I'm on 3 in the UK and there is actually no fair use policy. They are a little slow to catch up with the 4G speeds of the other networks, but as I said, I tried it over H+ and it wasn't too bad at all. I don't think the more twitchy control reliant games would be great though.
Has anyone else noticed?
I somewhat noticed this and I have unlimited data. I think they've been upgrading towers a lot lately though so hopefully that can explain it.
No, I went from 3Mbps to 100Mbps.
Or did you mean T-Mobile USA? As opposed to the other dozens of T-mobile branches owned by Deutsche Telekom across the world?
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ShadowLea said:
No, I went from 3Mbps to 100Mbps.
Or did you mean T-Mobile USA? As opposed to the other dozens of T-mobile branches owned by Deutsche Telekom across the world?
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Yea I'm pretty sure he means here in USA. They are throttling.
net200777 said:
Yea I'm pretty sure he means here in USA. They are throttling.
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No they aren't. They never did. And as of Friday (or was it last Friday?), the FCC made it illegal to do so. Unlimited high speed data means unlimited high speed data. If your data speeds slow down around 5-10pm, it's because those are peak hours and the network gets bogged down and congested. That's not throttling.
Data prioritization aka throttling. They most certainly are.
I've been speed testing with t-moble for years now. I am in delivery also, so I test different towers. It's only until this month that this started happening. It's with the updated policy. I have used more than 20gb that's when it started. It's unusable sometimes. When the server detects I am speedtesting it ramps up the speed as to show a good score. I think it's actually sitting around 1 mbps or below sometimes.
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Data prioritization aka throttling. They most certainly are.
I've been speed testing with t-moble for years now. I am in delivery also, so I test different towers. It's only until this month that this started happening. It's with the updated policy. I have used more than 20gb that's when it started. It's unusable sometimes. When the server detects I am speedtesting it ramps up the speed as to show a good score. I think it's actually sitting around 1 mbps or below sometimes.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Wow, 20 gigs, huh? I'm currently at 84gb 13 days into my billing cycle, and this has been a slow month since I haven't been streaming on Amazon Prime. I also use a network speed indicator (Xposed module, or built-in, depending on the phone) on my phones so I know exactly what my speeds are; I'm not guessing.
As for Speedtest, perhaps you should read this article.
Like I said before, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Planterz said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. Wow, 20 gigs, huh? I'm currently at 84gb 13 days into my billing cycle, and this has been a slow month since I haven't been streaming on Amazon Prime. I also use a network speed indicator (Xposed module, or built-in, depending on the phone) on my phones so I know exactly what my speeds are; I'm not guessing.
As for Speedtest, perhaps you should read this article.
Like I said before, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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I do have an idea what I'm talking about. I have 3 years with exp. testing the speeds. I know what is normal and what is not normal. Perhaps you should go read t-mobile's new policy on "data prioritization". I said I used more than 20gb *laugh
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I do have an idea what I'm talking about. I have 3 years with exp. testing the speeds. I know what is normal and what is not normal. Perhaps you should go read t-mobile's new policy on "data prioritization". I said I used more than 20gb *laugh
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Give me a link so I can read it and tell you where you're wrong.
Planterz said:
Give me a link so I can read it and tell you where you're wrong.
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Google is you're friend.
net200777 said:
Google is you're friend.
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Grammar is your friend. So is evidence. Give me actual evidence or proof. You're the one making unsupported accusations. Otherwise, I'm done wasting my time with you.
lol...............k
Planterz said:
Grammar is your friend. So is evidence. Give me actual evidence or proof. You're the one making unsupported accusations. Otherwise, I'm done wasting my time with you.
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Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more data than what 97% of all customers use in a month, based on recent historical averages (updated quarterly), will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to the data usage of other customers at times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources, which may result in slower data speeds. Customers who use data in violation of their Rate Plan terms or T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions may be excluded from this calculation. Data that might be whitelisted for other (fixed allotment) plan options, such as data associated with Music Freedom, does not count towards Unlimited high-speed data customers’ usage for this calculation. Based on network statistics for the most recent quarter, Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more than 21GB of data during a billing cycle will be de-prioritized for the remainder of the billing cycle in times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources. At the start of the next bill cycle, the customer’s usage status is reset, and this data traffic is no longer de-prioritized.
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Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more data than what 97% of all customers use in a month, based on recent historical averages (updated quarterly), will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to the data usage of other customers at times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources, which may result in slower data speeds. Customers who use data in violation of their Rate Plan terms or T-Mobile's Terms and Conditions may be excluded from this calculation. Data that might be whitelisted for other (fixed allotment) plan options, such as data associated with Music Freedom, does not count towards Unlimited high-speed data customers’ usage for this calculation. Based on network statistics for the most recent quarter, Unlimited high-speed data customers who use more than 21GB of data during a billing cycle will be de-prioritized for the remainder of the billing cycle in times and at locations where there are competing customer demands for network resources. At the start of the next bill cycle, the customer’s usage status is reset, and this data traffic is no longer de-prioritized.
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Yeah, I just read that too. Was about to post this link:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mobile-defines-the-limit-on-its-Unlimited-LTE-plan_id70791
I admit I have indeed been noticing slower speeds, particularly during "peak" hours, but it wasn't throttling as we've come to know it (2g, 128kb/s). Plus, I still get fast speeds late at night/early morning when I'm typically awake, so it didn't bother me. I just assumed it was network congestion, as T-Mobile has gained a lot of customers in my town over the last couple years. But I guess they are throttling now, in a way.
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I understand it. I (ab)use my T-Mobile unlimited plan for my home internet. I use a ridiculous amount of data. But even my "throttled" speeds are plenty fast for web browsing and watching anything on youtube or Amazon Prime. On the other hand, "unlimited high speed" should mean unlimited high speed. Are these "de-prioritized" speeds technically "high speed", and by whose definition? What does the FCC's $100 million fining of AT&T mean? Was there this 21gb limit specified in the TOS agreement when I signed up for my plan? Does the use of the term "de-prioritized" circumvent the definition of "throttling"?
I hope that this practice gets shot down by the FCC, but I won't be too terribly upset if it continues. I'd definitely prefer to have proper internet at home (and go with wifi + a 5gb plan or something), but I can't afford that right now.
I have to disagree, T-Mobile is being dirty here. I went to the mall and showed a tmo rep my speed test. We compared.. his 17mbps, mine .4