Over time I've become known by some as being a hardass for making GPL compliance an issue. I've also taken sever members to task for their ass-backwards opinions concerning GPL. I was just visiting Rootzwiki and came across a thread that addressed the removal of download links for a ROM from a dev many of us know; Ching51o. Why? Because he packs Ziggy's non-compliant kernel in his ROMs. That defies the rules of Rootzwiki AND XDA-Developers.
I want to post the thread here for everyone to read. Adrynalyne, another well known dev around here, makes many good points, as do the moderators. Their positions should be the positions of anyone involved in open source GPL software in any way. The mods at Rootzwiki took what appears to be appropriate and fair action against distributing non-compliant software.
The Rootzwiki thread
I'd also like to ask XDA why their enforcement regarding the posting of non-compliant GPL material differs from Rootzwiki's (as in, XDA doesn't enforce it), even though the policies of both are virtually identical.
No disrespect intended here. Like I said, I've been a hardass about the GPL and I don't plan to stop. The GPL is the reason this forum exists and we ALL need to realize that. We also need mods that will act in it's interest and take some simple measures to respect it.
I for one agree that I've seen inconsistencies in the way XDA enforces GPL. DJ_Steve was a dev in the Dell Streak 7 forums who left because the mods were on him regarding the source code for his kernel. He couldn't produce it so he left. I was annoyed that he had to take his work elsewhere but I understood. On the flipside however, I've seen multiple roms package ziggys kernel and there appears to be no backlash. I'm not trying to started anything either but was is XDA's official position on this? Whatever it is it should be universal.
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Thread belongs here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263, does it not ?
hallstevenson said:
Thread belongs here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=263, does it not ?
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Then a mod will move it. Will they not?
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In my experience, no, not unless it's pointed out to them. My post alone, unless a mod happens to read the thread, won't make any difference.
lrs421 said:
I for one agree that I've seen inconsistencies in the way XDA enforces GPL. DJ_Steve was a dev in the Dell Streak 7 forums who left because the mods were on him regarding the source code for his kernel. He couldn't produce it so he left. I was annoyed that he had to take his work elsewhere but I understood. On the flipside however, I've seen multiple roms package ziggys kernel and there appears to be no backlash. I'm not trying to started anything either but was is XDA's official position on this? Whatever it is it should be universal.
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I have personally posed that question to two or 3 moderators and at least one administrator via PM and I've never gotten a response.
Their response, I've seen frequently, is that they can't keep track of everything and count on members for help. Well.... If you've pointed it out and nothing is done, it's all talk on their part.
Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
DRainyDay said:
Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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Why? XDA links are posted on Rootz. Rootz does not require registration to view so....no rule is being broken.
DRainyDay said:
Regarding forum rules the link to rootzwiki's site should be removed.
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To paraphrase Mr. Torvalds, "Talk is cheap. Show me the rule." It ain't there.
Xda links on RW is fine.
From Xda's rules
•Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
DRainyDay said:
Xda links on RW is fine.
From Xda's rules
•Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
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The link to a thread at Rootzwiki was for "reference". It's hardly "encouraging members to participate" !!
DRainyDay said:
Xda links on RW is fine.
From Xda's rules
•Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
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Since the thread I posted is closed, participation is impossible. If you assume that to mean linking to a site that has anything to do with cell phones in a fashion that could be interpreted in some way to be XDA competition, you're wrong. XDA cannot exist in a vacuum and they know it. XDA is interested in the traffic. Besides, I bring XDA more traffic than that link will ever send to Rootzwiki.
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loonatik78 said:
I have personally posed that question to two or 3 moderators and at least one administrator via PM and I've never gotten a response.
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I've tried the same with no replies. They just sort of "cherry pick" which software should follow the GPL (and remove from xda) and which they will overlook.
XDA is a strong believer in, and does enforce, the GPL, and has been very unpopular in the past for doing so. I will admit, however, that sometimes GPL issues are slow to resolve, including the issue mentioned with Ziggy's kernel. Which IS being worked on. (Really.)
Seriously guys I have received all your pm's and took down the main rom that broke GPL in chingy's rom. As far as the other rom in question it IS being worked on, I simply don't have the information to give at this time. I'm not the moderator handling it.
mrkite38 said:
XDA is a strong believer in, and does enforce, the GPL, and has been very unpopular in the past for doing so. I will admit, however, that sometimes GPL issues are slow to resolve, including the issue mentioned with Ziggy's kernel. Which IS being worked on. (Really.)
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Ryanmo5 said:
Seriously guys I have received all your pm's and took down the main rom that broke GPL in chingy's rom. As far as the other rom in question it IS being worked on, I simply don't have the information to give at this time. I'm not the moderator handling it.
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I'd like to thank both of you for your replies. I do believe what you say. I've seen how unpopular some of the actions moderators have taken regarding GPL have become, but I do believe the right actions have been taken.
Some of you may disagree with what I've said. That's fine, but don't voice it here in this thread. Talk to these guys directly via PM. The primary purpose of this OP is to share thoughts on the GPL and to foment debate and, hopefully, the changing of a few minds on the issue. Too many members of this community have failed to understand the GPL, how it shapes this community, and what our obligations are regarding it.
Moderators really shouldn't have to police this thing like they do. Many of us are here because we believe the "open source way" is the better way to develop software than any other method. That's why we believe Android is inherently better. It should logically follow that this community would support GPL and Apache compliant work and developemnt, and likewise, shun developers and software that's non-compliant. I'm here to change the minds of those who don't believe that should be the case. If that's you, this is the place for you to say your piece and debate.
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Topics as the one of this thread aren't allowed on xda (c.f. the rules you accepted while registering). The thread got closed.
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I'm trying to decipher where it's made and when its made. I'm not asking for all 15. I just want to see if our shares anything in common. Thanks in advanced guys. Loving this phone. It's crazy that some of our displays are lg and others are Samsung. That's also what I'm trying to look into.
Source for "some are Samsung"?
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Thanks
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