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Hi,
I got myself a refurbished Samsung Galaxy S7 (flat) but after small examination I realized that there are a lot of inconsistencies, After some research I didn't find out a clear scenario from anyone else so I decided to share with all you so that may be one can help me figuring this one out.
So at the back of the phone its written SM-G930T, while when opening About Device under Settings the model number is SM-G930F. But also everywhere there is a taste of Verizon software (example under Access Point Names there is one APN which is disabled with name "LTE - Verizon Internet with APN VZWINTERNET).
Antutu results range around 132420 to 135500 and it reads the following under My Device:
SM-G930F
Basic Info:
Brand: Verizon
Model: SM-G930F
Device: heroqltevzw
Board: msm8996
Hardware: qcom
Android: 6.0.1(64bit)
Renderer : Adreno(TM) 530
Resolution: 1440 x 2560
Rear: 12.2MP
Storage:
RAM 3307MB
System Storage: 22.83GB
CPU
Architecture: Qualcomm Kryo LP
Type: 64-bot
CPU Cores : 4
CPU Clock Range: 1190.4 ~2150.4MHz
CPU-Z also state the same like Antutu.
What I want to know is if there is anyone else with situation like mine, and how to go about when you want to update to Nougat or which ROM should I consider using in any case of failure, say bricking this device.
Thank you in advance.
Jonius said:
Hi,
I got myself a refurbished Samsung Galaxy S7 (flat) but after small examination I realized that there are a lot of inconsistencies, After some research I didn't find out a clear scenario from anyone else so I decided to share with all you so that may be one can help me figuring this one out.
So at the back of the phone its written SM-G930T, while when opening About Device under Settings the model number is SM-G930F. But also everywhere there is a taste of Verizon software (example under Access Point Names there is one APN which is disabled with name "LTE - Verizon Internet with APN VZWINTERNET).
Antutu results range around 132420 to 135500 and it reads the following under My Device:
SM-G930F
Basic Info:
Brand: Verizon
Model: SM-G930F
Device: heroqltevzw
Board: msm8996
Hardware: qcom
Android: 6.0.1(64bit)
Renderer : Adreno(TM) 530
Resolution: 1440 x 2560
Rear: 12.2MP
Storage:
RAM 3307MB
System Storage: 22.83GB
CPU
Architecture: Qualcomm Kryo LP
Type: 64-bot
CPU Cores : 4
CPU Clock Range: 1190.4 ~2150.4MHz
CPU-Z also state the same like Antutu.
What I want to know is if there is anyone else with situation like mine, and how to go about when you want to update to Nougat or which ROM should I consider using in any case of failure, say bricking this device.
Thank you in advance.
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Also I should mention that I'm not in US, and this phone is unlocked and I'm using gsm simcard and it works perfectly.
Boot into download mode to find the actual model number.
Hello, I actually have a similar example with my SM-930A. This phone is also factory refurbished and I as well had some suspicions. I RAN my IMEI# against imei.info.com to see if it was blacklisted. It gave me SM-G930F (SM-G930A). The problem is G930F is the international Exynos model and G930A is the USA Qualcomm model. They have different chipsets with different cores. I get mixed readings with different HW info apps including CPU-Z as if it's a hybrid between the two. The further I investigated, I found Verizon apps, IPhone apps and a suspicion that the firmware for ATT was flashed onto an International model but is using swapper and linker to hide it. I know it sounds crazy.
Youngster82 said:
Hello, I actually have a similar example with my SM-930A. This phone is also factory refurbished and I as well had some suspicions. I RAN my IMEI# against imei.info.com to see if it was blacklisted. It gave me SM-G930F (SM-G930A). The problem is G930F is the international Exynos model and G930A is the USA Qualcomm model. They have different chipsets with different cores. I get mixed readings with different HW info apps including CPU-Z as if it's a hybrid between the two. The further I investigated, I found Verizon apps, IPhone apps and a suspicion that the firmware for ATT was flashed onto an International model but is using swapper and linker to hide it. I know it sounds crazy.
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The hardware is NOT the same -- firmware is incompatible:
I don't think you can successfully flash the North American Qualcomm based firmware onto the Exynos hardware or vice-versa. At best it would give you an error, at worst it could brick the device. They are two completely different processors on different motherboards, and use different other hardware as well (power regulation chips, radio chips, etc).
What may have happened is that someone found a way to overwrite the model number and/or possibly the 3 character Samsung CSC (customer service code) code(s) in your refurbished phone. If the hardware says it is Qualcomm processor, then it probably is a North American hardware version of the S7.
Handy free hardware information tool for Samsung smartphones:
I use a free hardware information tool called "Phone Info *Samsung*" written by vndnguyen which is available on the Google Play store. It shows not only the phone model number, but the CSC codes, the date of manufacture, hardware, and all available sensor data. You might want to install it and see what that app finds. It has a few ads, but they are unobtrusive. Hint: disable notifications for it if you don't want to get "tips" from the author.
Discussion of hardware in North American models:
Note that the hardware for all the North American models is identical (with the exception of one Canadian carrier that uses the European/Asian version of the phone), and they all have the same Qualcomm processors and chipsets. All that differentiates them is the firmware and CSC code that is flashed onto them. The NA motherboards all have "SM-G930V/P/R4/A/T" printed on them. The cellular radios on the NA motherboard include the GSM radio bands used in North America and they also include a radio for the CDMA bands used in North America. IIRC, the GSM bands cover most but not all of the European/Asian GSM radio spectrum, so the phones should work outside North America, but possibly won't get quite as good reception as the European motherboard would get. One last comment about the NA version of the phone: If the phone has been carrier unlocked, it is possible to flash any of the various NA S7 carrier's firmware or the factory unlocked G930U firmware onto it. I have personally tested this. Flashing the G930U firmware onto a NA phone is a great way to get rid of all the carrier-installed "bloatware" apps, leaving only the Samsung interface and apps and the Android apps. However, flashing different firmware onto a phone does NOT carrier unlock the phone -- I found that out by trying it (the phone booted up, but when a non-original-carrier SIM was installed, it asked for and required a SIM carrier unlock code).
Discussion of hardware in European/Asian models:
The European/Asian version of the hardware is, as you mentioned, different than the North American version, and uses a Samsung manufactured Exynos processor and related chipset, and other hardware is different as well -- including the antennas, loudspeaker, and charging daughterboard. Interestingly, the European/Asian motherboards have "SM-G930FD SM-G930F/W8" printed on them, possibly indicating that the difference between the G930F and G930FD motherboards is, similarly to the NA motherboards, only the firmware and CSC code -- the actual hardware may be the same (other than the G930FD SIM tray which is capable of holding a 2nd SIM card OR a Micro-SD card). My understanding is that the European/Asian models do NOT have the capability to connect to CDMA networks -- and only will work on GSM networks. Again, IIRC, the GSM radio spectrum is slightly different in Europe/Asia and North America. However, I do know that the G930F and G930FD models will work in North America on the GSM networks, again, possibly with some reduced reception due to band differences. I have personally tested this by putting a US T-Mobile SIM into a G930FD phone I repaired and it worked well.
I have 3 questions for you folks in Europe or Asia that repair the G930F/G930FD phones:
1. Would you please clarify whether or not the motherboards for the SM-G930F and SM-G930FD are actually identical and only the firmware and CSC codes (and SIM tray) differentiate the two?
2. If a European/Asian phone has been carrier unlocked, can a different version of the European/Asian firmware be flashed onto it?
3. Are there factory unlocked versions of the firmware that have no carrier "bloatware" apps for the SM-G930F and SM-G930FD? If there are, please identify what they are, and supply links where to find them. I am not talking about custom builds -- but rather genuine Samsung firmware that is not carrier specific.
I hope this helps to clarify things a bit.
Philip
phreich said:
Note that the hardware for all the North American models is identical (with the exception of one Canadian carrier that uses the European/Asian version of the phone), and they all have the same Qualcomm processors and chipsets. All that differentiates them is the firmware and CSC code that is flashed onto them.
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Sorry to be "that guy" but the US models are Qualcomm-based while all Canadian SM-G930W8 models are Exynos-based, so there is no "North American" model for the S7.
As far as I'm aware, booting an S7 into Download mode is the closest thing to a foolproof method for determining the true model of the motherboard in the phone, no matter what the label, Android, or any system info apps tell you.
Hello guys, following up your comments, here are the results of phone info *Samsung*
audit13 said:
Boot into download mode to find the actual model number.
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Details under download mode are as follow
ODIN MODE (HIGH SPEED)
PRODUCT NAME : SM-G930V
CURRENT BINARY : Samsung Official
SYSTEM STATUS : Official
FAP LOCK : ON
QUALCOMM SECURE BOOT : ENABLED
RP SWREV : BE(2,1,1,1,1) K1 S3
SECURE DOWNLOAD : ENABLED
Sm-930v is the Verizon s7: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/support/owners/product/galaxy-s7-verizon/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ve...ot-guide-verizon-s7-s7-edge-sm-g930v-t3411015
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Sm-930v is the Verizon s7: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/support/owners/product/galaxy-s7-verizon/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ve...ot-guide-verizon-s7-s7-edge-sm-g930v-t3411015
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So just to make sure I understand your well, this phone has to be a Verizon variant even though at the back of the phone under glass is written SM-G930T?
Does the imei on the box or other labels match the imei when dialing *#06#?
Based on what is shown in download mode, the motherboard is from a Verizon s7 sm-g930v.
Bootloader from Samsung info screen begins with g930v too.
Jonius said:
So just to make sure I understand your well, this phone has to be a Verizon variant even though at the back of the phone under glass is written SM-G930T?
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All firmware is the same. I have the "t" varient, now running the "a" varient for Oreo, but I always run the "u" varient cause less bloat. Someone made a detailed post earlier, might have been to long to read.
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audit13 said:
Boot into download mode to find the actual model number.
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That's not true at all. I'm running the att Oreo beta on cricket that was branded sm-g930t. Download mode shows it's the "a" varient now. When running "u", you bet it also says "u", same with any firmware, if I flash "v", it'll say "v"
Sorry if my posts were not clear. I was referring to USA s7 models with Qualcomm processors. Canada and other parts of the world are using Exynos versions.
From the original post, Antutu reports the phone as being a sm-g930f and, as far as I know, there is no 930f for the USA: https://www.sammobile.com/devices/galaxy-s7/specs/SM-G930F/.
I wanted the OP to confirm the model # before flashing files (either for Qualcomm or Exynos) and a quick way to do that is in download mode.
Okay,
Thank you everyone for your contributions so far, I am actually getting the picture of what I have with me.
These are the information I have with this phone and from your input the finding so far:
The phone got SM-G930T at the back hence T-Mobile variant
Under Download mode it says this phone is Verizon variant
Under some settings like APN there are some bits of Verizon like Verizon APN - Hence Verizon variant
Under About Phone, the model number is SM-G930F ( I believe the one who flashed this phone they knew they wanted it to end up in international market, hence they found a way of making the model number looks like its an international model (SM-G930F)
The details of IMEI under imei under imei.info gives this result: G930F GALAXY S7 (SM-G930T) - Which gives more questions than answers.
What I believe right now is this is Qualcomm variant phone with Qualcomm chipset.
Now I really wanna know if which latest ROM I can flash to get the latest possible Android version in here! Say Android 7.1.1 or Android 8, etc. But something stable because this is now my main and only phone I got.
Thanks again for all your inputs and contributions.
If I were in your situation, I would flash the latest stock Verizon ROM since the model number is sm-g930v.
Before flashing, I recommend testing the phone to ensure it functions with your carrier. If it doesn't, I would contact the vendor.
Jonius said:
Okay,
Thank you everyone for your contributions so far, I am actually getting the picture of what I have with me.
These are the information I have with this phone and from your input the finding so far:
The phone got SM-G930T at the back hence T-Mobile variant
Under Download mode it says this phone is Verizon variant
Under some settings like APN there are some bits of Verizon like Verizon APN - Hence Verizon variant
Under About Phone, the model number is SM-G930F ( I believe the one who flashed this phone they knew they wanted it to end up in international market, hence they found a way of making the model number looks like its an international model (SM-G930F)
The details of IMEI under imei under imei.info gives this result: G930F GALAXY S7 (SM-G930T) - Which gives more questions than answers.
What I believe right now is this is Qualcomm variant phone with Qualcomm chipset.
Now I really wanna know if which latest ROM I can flash to get the latest possible Android version in here! Say Android 7.1.1 or Android 8, etc. But something stable because this is now my main and only phone I got.
Thanks again for all your inputs and contributions.
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If you think it's amerian latest is 7.0 with 8.0 coming next month. I'd recommend the "u" firmware, less bloat and less warning messages, like hitting airplane mode is one tap, not two cause a warning pops up
audit13 said:
Does the imei on the box or other labels match the imei when dialing *#06#?
Based on what is shown in download mode, the motherboard is from a Verizon s7 sm-g930v.
Bootloader from Samsung info screen begins with g930v too.
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audit13 said:
If I were in your situation, I would flash the latest stock Verizon ROM since the model number is sm-g930v.
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I'm not using Verizon line, I'm using Tigo line (Africa/Tanzania), so I'm not sure what Verizon ROM will do to this phone, whether will render this phone useless or because its now working then after flashing Verizon ROM it will continue working even though the SIM card is not Verizon SIM?
audit13 said:
Before flashing, I recommend testing the phone to ensure it functions with your carrier. If it doesn't, I would contact the vendor.
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How do I test the phone to ensure the functionality with my carrier?
I think my situation is a bit complicated, there is no vendor, no warranty, I can do whatever I want with this phone, the only problem is whatever I do I have to be careful and sure that I won't brick this phone as it is my only phone right now.
All I want to do is to flash it with the latest android version
Put a sim card in the phone and make a call, receive a call, turn on wifi, turn on data, send a text, receive a text, take a picture, take a video, and insert an SD card.
Can someone suggest the right ROM which is latest and stable for my phone? Which is official but without any carrier bloatware?
The one I'm having right now got no carrier bloatware, only inactive verizon APN, and also got Samsung Apps which is okay with me (After start using S Health I found it a little bit interesting).
Jonius said:
Can someone suggest the right ROM which is latest and stable for my phone? Which is official but without any carrier bloatware?
The one I'm having right now got no carrier bloatware, only inactive verizon APN, and also got Samsung Apps which is okay with me (After start using S Health I found it a little bit interesting).
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Go to sammobile, write your phone model and get the lastest firmware available, select the default one without bloat and don't forget to disable frp lock before flashing.
Hey guys, so I was exploring purchasing a Mi Mix 3 on Aliexpress for use in the United States. However, I had some concerns about usage in the United States, especially with the international version. Could someone please tell me about their experience with this phone in the United States, including carrier signal (preferably T Mobile), any issues you've come across using this phone in the United States, and other similar dilemmas. Thanks!
Its name Global Version for a reason, so i think it will work fine all around the world, IF its a true Global Edition.
Check carefully, many seller flash the global/eu rom on CN variant and sell them as "Global Edition".
It will work internationally whether it's a global edition or not, there's no difference in the bands between the Chinese and Global variants. The software is different, however. The Chinese software works fine in the US, but you have a bit of work to do to get the Google apps on it. The other issue is if the seller is buying the Chinese variant then loading the Global software and relocking the bootloader, because if you subsequently install an official update, you will hard-brick your device. Having said that, I can't think of any reason why sellers would be bothering with that now that the Global version is readily available, at least the more reputable ones. Gearbest always clearly mark their devices on the website as either Chinese or Global. I suppose if you wanted to be absolutely sure, you could buy from a European retailer, assuming you don't want the 8/256 model. The other option, of course, is to unlock the bootloader and (optionally) install an unofficial rom, that way you also get regular Android security updates.
I would recommend spending the extra to get the 8/256 if there is any chance you are going to get a "chinese" version. The "global" version is *supposed* to have all the bands enabled on all storage/ram configurations. However, the chinese version only has full band support on the 8/256 device. It is possible that we may be able to find a way to use QXDM and stuff to enable additional bands regardless, but I wouldn't count on that. I spent the extra to get an 8/256 which now has the leaked global rom on it. The global software works great and I have atleast equivalent coverage to my work Pixel 2 XL, usually with slightly better signal levels.
I have no complaints about this device, the only thing I have noticed is it seems that the glass is not as hard on some units. I bought my wife an 8/256 device and she is not exactly gentle on her device. Her screen has no scratches, but mine has many already after about 2 months, and I'm pretty careful with my devices. And to be clear, these are light surface scratches that are only visible when tilting the device with the screen off, not something you can see with the screen on.
I have T Mobile. I get better reception on Mi Mix 3 than I got on both my Note 8 and my iPhone 7. I know this because there's a spot I park every day and the MiMix works there when the others didn't.
I got 96mbps on 4G LTE when I tested it.
Of note: I did have an original MiMix 1 and it was not good for reception. At all. But the 3 has something like 42 bands in, and it has the best reception of any phone I've had.
PWn3R said:
I would recommend spending the extra to get the 8/256 if there is any chance you are going to get a "chinese" version. The "global" version is *supposed* to have all the bands enabled on all storage/ram configurations. However, the chinese version only has full band support on the 8/256 device. It is possible that we may be able to find a way to use QXDM and stuff to enable additional bands regardless, but I wouldn't count on that. I spent the extra to get an 8/256 which now has the leaked global rom on it. The global software works great and I have atleast equivalent coverage to my work Pixel 2 XL, usually with slightly better signal levels.
I have no complaints about this device, the only thing I have noticed is it seems that the glass is not as hard on some units. I bought my wife an 8/256 device and she is not exactly gentle on her device. Her screen has no scratches, but mine has many already after about 2 months, and I'm pretty careful with my devices. And to be clear, these are light surface scratches that are only visible when tilting the device with the screen off, not something you can see with the screen on.
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So I just want to confirm. If I buy a mix 3 in China and then flash itd to a global ROM (e.g. EU) then I should have no issues using it in the US (I'll be on T-Mobile).
There is a serious problem to me not sure if it's because of Mi MIX or TMobile combination (Los Angeles area)
Same problem on my wife's MIX 2S and my MIX 3, both official global version and latest firmware.
When the phone is on wifi, even though the mobile connection looks connected, it might have been disconnected actually.
No call and message will come through. People's calls will go to voice mail.
You will not know that until someone tell you they can't call you on the phone, or when turning off wifi suddently all missing text/MMS messages will arrive.
I'm still searching on more information on this and if some others have the same issue.
One of you friends used to have similar issues using a Samsung Galaxy on TMobile before he switched to iPhone.
Working great here in MN on T-Mobile no issues at all. I have the global edition.
It works for the most part on Verizon (a carrier which doesn't technically support it), the only issues I have are with MMS messaging (which is fixed in another thread) and my mobile hotspot which Verizon seems to be unable to turn on properly. Other than that I haven't had any issues. I would imagine on a GSM carrier like T-Mobile you would see even fewer problems, if any.
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It works for the most part on Verizon (a carrier which doesn't technically support it), the only issues I have are with MMS messaging (which is fixed in another thread) and my mobile hotspot which Verizon seems to be unable to turn on properly. Other than that I haven't had any issues. I would imagine on a GSM carrier like T-Mobile you would see even fewer problems, if any.
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How did you get it to work with Verizon? I entered my IMEI and it isn't compatible.
Matt0817 said:
How did you get it to work with Verizon? I entered my IMEI and it isn't compatible.
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All you need to do is pop in a Verizon SIM card and change the APN settings and it'll work. Sometimes the SIM card won't let you change them (because Verizon locks them down), but that didn't happen to me. If that's the case, grab someone else's SIM card that has like T-Mobile, put it in your phone, add a new APN, then put the Verizon one back in and select the APN you made. I detailed the settings you need to set in these posts: _1_, _2_. If you need any additional help let me know.
Also, if you want to enable VoLTE check out this thread.
Just fell into a trap and thought I'd share to help the next human.
It is common for P2c72 (Chinese variant) to be re-flashed with international firmware (I hear even alibaba did this itself?). When this is done, the phone reports itself as the P2a42 in the Android "About this phone" page. So, when one of these phones comes up for sale somewhere (ebay phone reseller in my case), the seller may take the phone's word for it and list it as a P2a42, but instead it's a P2c72 which may not work with your carrier (different bands).
tl;dr - If you're buying a used P2, have the seller prove it's the correct model number. This can be done in at least two ways:
1. Look at the phone body. The true model number is printed next to the headphone jack.
2. Enter the bootloader (with phone off, volume down + power), select "barcodes" using the volume buttons and then press power to accept. You can see the model in there.
To get the seller to accept a return I had to flash the Chinese firmware back on there using fastboot to "prove" it was the Chinese version... was a whole adventure. Avoid it. Though I did have a funny exchange with the seller, paraphrasing:
Me: Hey this isn't the phone listed in the auction. See here's a picture of the model number on the body. I can't use it on t-mobile.
Them: Nah.
Me: No really here's the bootloader showing c72.
Them: mmmmmmmhhhhh
Me: And here's a screenshot of the Chinese firmware on it.
Them: k send it back.
...3 days later...
Them: (Opens an ebay case against me) Yo! You sent us a chinese phone, we can't refund you it's not what was in the auction!
Me: :facepalm:
There's LTE bands difference? I am using a P2c72 with a P2a42 firmware for over a year now.
Yes check the first post in this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/lenovo-p2/how-to/lenovo-p2-owners-click-t3668029
The LTE bands ended up working for me on TMO but there was insufficient overlap for day to day use on 3g/4g mixed.
progman32 said:
Yes check the first post in this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/lenovo-p2/how-to/lenovo-p2-owners-click-t3668029
The LTE bands ended up working for me on TMO but there was insufficient overlap for day to day use on 3g/4g mixed.
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Wait, so my p2c72 is still locked with its LTE bands?
72 has a different radio than the 42. The difference is physical - no software will change what the radio can do. It has some overlap with North America. If it works for you, I wouldn't worry about it.
But the battery are interchangeable between the 2 devices, right?
I don't know, sorry. Maybe someone else here does?
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72 has a different radio than the 42. The difference is physical - no software will change what the radio can do. It has some overlap with North America. If it works for you, I wouldn't worry about it.
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But is it possible to replace the radio chip? I mean can I replace the p2c72 radio chip with a p2a42 chip? Just the radio chip because I want to keep the 64gb storage lol.
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But the battery are interchangeable between the 2 devices, right?
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The devices are identical, only difference is modem and ram/storage. So, the answer is YES!
So I ordered the ROG Phone 5 Tencent version by mistake and I couldn't cancel it in time before they shipped it. I tried out the phone upon receiving it even though I had already read about the issues with 5G connectivity in the US. Testing out the bands with LTE Connectivity it obviously will not connect to any of T-Mobile's 5G bands in the US and on top it will only connect band 4 of tmobiles 4GLTE which is quite slower than band 66. I tested it side by side with my old Galaxy Note 8 and the note 8 was consistently getting better speeds of about 60/5 on band 66 while the tencent ROG phone 5 was only getting about 25-30 download at most on band 4. I promptly created a return order and bought the international version from NGP.
So in summary for those wondering, the tencent ROG phone 5 does not have the bands needed for a phone at this price point.
Check out this link for an accurate list of bands for the China version and then the international version.
Will Asus Rog Phone 5 work in USA?
In this page we are going to show you the compatibility of Asus Rog Phone 5 with the mobile networks of USA and with the telephony operators that provide service in USA.
www.kimovil.com
I will be receiving my international version in 2 days and will be testing the mobile bands in the Los Angeles area. Hoping for 5G!!
Please let us know of your findings as im getting ready to buy the international version from the same place! and am also using T-Mobile
Also, does anyone have an info on an official USA launch? (not carrier held but like ASUS selling the phone on the USA e store website)
A how to guide for getting bad service?
Rotary88 said:
So I ordered the ROG Phone 5 Tencent version by mistake and I couldn't cancel it in time before they shipped it. I tried out the phone upon receiving it even though I had already read about the issues with 5G connectivity in the US. Testing out the bands with LTE Connectivity it obviously will not connect to any of T-Mobile's 5G bands in the US and on top it will only connect band 4 of tmobiles 4GLTE which is quite slower than band 66. I tested it side by side with my old Galaxy Note 8 and the note 8 was consistently getting better speeds of about 60/5 on band 66 while the tencent ROG phone 5 was only getting about 25-30 download at most on band 4. I promptly created a return order and bought the international version from NGP.
So in summary for those wondering, the tencent ROG phone 5 does not have the bands needed for a phone at this price point.
Check out this link for an accurate list of bands for the China version and then the international version.
Will Asus Rog Phone 5 work in USA?
In this page we are going to show you the compatibility of Asus Rog Phone 5 with the mobile networks of USA and with the telephony operators that provide service in USA.
www.kimovil.com
I will be receiving my international version in 2 days and will be testing the mobile bands in the Los Angeles area. Hoping for 5G!!
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Doesn't the tencent version support SA 71? T-Mobile recently added that frequency I believe unless I misunderstood
chairman011 said:
Doesn't the tencent version support SA 71? T-Mobile recently added that frequency I believe unless I misunderstood
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It's going to be hit or miss, depending on location.
So I ordered the international version literally 2 days before the USA version came out to just find out that it's the exact same **** as the Tencent version. NO 5G on T-Mobile and it uses the slowest bands for 4GLTE. My LTE speed in the LA area is an abysmal 27mb download and a 9mb upload. What an absolute nightmare this has been. The one time I try to go something besides Samsung or Apple.
Does anyone know what the restocking fee's are on these returns?
Rotary88 said:
So I ordered the international version literally 2 days before the USA version came out to just find out that it's the exact same **** as the Tencent version. NO 5G on T-Mobile and it uses the slowest bands for 4GLTE. My LTE speed in the LA area is an abysmal 27mb download and a 9mb upload. What an absolute nightmare this has been. The one time I try to go something besides Samsung or Apple.
Does anyone know what the restocking fee's are on these returns?
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i thought it says its nothing if the return is because youre having connection/network issues, i just ordered the USA version, ill let you know how that one behaves when it arrives on saturday
i have a new sim card waiting for the phone when it arrives (supposedly you need a new sim to use 5g on tmobile)
twistedumbrella said:
It's going to be hit or miss, depending on location.
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True that. I have the Tencent on Metro I get LTE but no 5g, I love this phone I have no issues with it but 5G would be awesome. They say they use the same service but really they don't they're both different frequencies I'm eager to try that new T-Mobile SIM card though since my phone is dual SIM I think I might go ahead and get the T-Mobile service with the SIM card I'll report back that you guys know how it goes thinking about doing it this coming week.
Trickster29 said:
i thought it says its nothing if the return is because youre having connection/network issues, i just ordered the USA version, ill let you know how that one behaves when it arrives on saturday
i have a new sim card waiting for the phone when it arrives (supposedly you need a new sim to use 5g on tmobile)
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· Failure of network compatibility in the area – customers are responsible to contact their service provider for the availability of compatible network in the area prior to purchasing the phone. If unfortunately you have no network due to this reason, you can return the phone with 15% restocking fee of the item price if it is in its original condition.
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Rotary88 said:
So I ordered the international version literally 2 days before the USA version came out to just find out that it's the exact same **** as the Tencent version. NO 5G on T-Mobile and it uses the slowest bands for 4GLTE. My LTE speed in the LA area is an abysmal 27mb download and a 9mb upload. What an absolute nightmare this has been. The one time I try to go something besides Samsung or Apple.
Does anyone know what the restocking fee's are on these returns?
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Actually, the international version is basically the same as the US version without warranty coverage.
If they are the same, it doesn't make sense to eat the restocking fee then. Rotary88, are you using a current SIM like the other user mentioned? Hopefully when they get their phone and test on saturday they get better results.
I purchased mine from the US store this morning (I don't need 512gb storage or 18gb ram, and the other extras will never get used lol). The price point of the tencent versions are attractive for sure but I have heard nothing but issues around the WW converted models.
If it turns out that all versions (US, international, CN) have the same issues maybe I will return the US and save some dollars.
I'm just rambling here, good luck Rotary88
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· Failure of network compatibility in the area – customers are responsible to contact their service provider for the availability of compatible network in the area prior to purchasing the phone. If unfortunately you have no network due to this reason, you can return the phone with 15% restocking fee of the item price if it is in its original condition.
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Actually, the international version is basically the same as the US version without warranty coverage.
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ah must have remembered wrong. i don't think they're the same bandwise, for instance from what i understand the international is the C variant and doesn't support band 71 or 66 but this is listed as supported on the USA e-store for the USA phone. in fact every band except the mmWave that both ATT and T-Mobile use is listed on the USA versions purchase page
i did simply my check tho and ignored the fact that the shop page doesn't list 2g/3g/5g bands explicitly and just checked for a matching number, but i imagine thats what they meant, considering the page was just created and for example maybe they found theres no need to list n41 and 41 essentially listing 41 twice.
i have no phone atm, which maybe you can tell since my posts lack any auto correct, so really hoping for the best
either way i have a USA version coming on saturday and ill let everyone know of the results
So I just swapped out my old sim for a new T-Mobile SIM and its the same result with the international and also tencent variant ASUS_I005DA. Even though version A supposedly supports all the right bands, No T-Mobile 5G and also crippled LTE. This seems like something to do with their network simply not recognizing the device or allowing it to use other bands. After doing some research it seems the device also has to be carrier supported in order to connect to their extended LTE and 5G bands.
From what I've read here on the forums, calling them is a waste of time. I guess all I can do is wait to see if even the US "variants" get 5G/LTE but I somehow am doubting it since they seem identical to the international variant. I'm stuck with a $1000 gimped phone until T-Mobile decides to support it on their network.
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So I just swapped out my old sim for a new T-Mobile SIM and its the same result with the international and also tencent variant ASUS_I005DA. Even though version A supposedly supports all the right bands, No T-Mobile 5G and also crippled LTE. This seems like something to do with their network simply not recognizing the device or allowing it to use other bands. After doing some research it seems the device also has to be carrier supported in order to connect to their extended LTE and 5G bands.
From what I've read here on the forums, calling them is a waste of time. I guess all I can do is wait to see if even the US "variants" get 5G/LTE but I somehow am doubting it since they seem identical to the international variant. I'm stuck with a $1000 gimped phone until T-Mobile decides to support it on their network.
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strange because according to asus the I005DA is not the A version but the G version. The version i believe is on the box not the model.
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strange because according to asus the I005DA is not the A version but the G version. The version i believe is on the box not the model.
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Did you contact ASUS ? do you have and official documentation / site where they say which version is tencent / Global / US ?
I had bought the tencent version - i005DA was mentioned prominently in the packaging.. and 'tencent games' was printed on the back of the phone.
Neither T-mobile nor AT&T worked reliably - actually I was barely ever getting a signal.
I returned that.one . .and got myself a global variant - asus_i005DC is mentioned in the packaging.
Now everything works fine - I have seen the 5G symbol, but not really great speeds, but that could be because of my area.
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Did you contact ASUS ? do you have and official documentation / site where they say which version is tencent / Global / US ?
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https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/47006/which-version-does-asus-rog-5-model-i005da-map-to i think this is where he found it, see last post (you can press the back button if it asks you to create acct or sign in and it wont ask again and will allow you to read)
this would imply the last letter in the model number is not necessarily the version the phone corresponds to, for every model even your asus_i005DC
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https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/47006/which-version-does-asus-rog-5-model-i005da-map-to i think this is where he found it, see last post (you can press the back button if it asks you to create acct or sign in and it wont ask again and will allow you to read)
this would imply the last letter in the model number is not necessarily the version the phone corresponds to, for every model even your asus_i005DC
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That's exactly it.
At this point I'm waiting to see if the one they sell on Asus dot com is any better than the global version sold on aliexpress or if I should go all in on -300$ less
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That's exactly it.
At this point I'm waiting to see if the one they sell on Asus dot com is any better than the global version sold on aliexpress or if I should go all in on -300$ less
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$300 less means a Tencent flashed to WW, or at least it did for mine. The idiot seller didn't realize the bands aren't controlled by the software, but PayPal called it "materially similar" and denied the refund. Oh well.
PhoneBots said:
That's exactly it.
At this point I'm waiting to see if the one they sell on Asus dot com is any better than the global version sold on aliexpress or if I should go all in on -300$ less
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well ill find out if the USA version on asus.com is better literally tomorrow and ill post the update here. i imagine it is now that i understand the versions don't follow model number.
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$300 less means a Tencent flashed to WW, or at least it did for mine. The idiot didn't realize the bands aren't controlled by the software, but PayPal called it "materially similar" and denied the refund. Oh well.
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I was looking more at the global version rather than the ROM
Hi all, I'm asking here because there is no dedicated subforum for XCover 6.
So, I'm planning on buying Galaxy XCover 6Pro but I'm getting confused if there are different version of it out on the market? I've noticed that shops in my country (Poland) mark phones they are selling using these three different product numbers:
sm-g736bzkdeeb,
sm-g736bzkdeee,
sm-g736bzkd
with the first one (EEB) being called "Enterprise Edition" appearing in most of stores while the offical samsung.com store lists XCover 6Pro with "EEE" product number. Neverthless google shows up a samsung page for the "EEB" model too.
https://www.samsung.com/uk/business/smartphones/xcover/galaxy-xcover6-pro-sm-g736bzkdeeb/
https://www.samsung.com/levant/business/smartphones/xcover/galaxy-xcover6-pro-sm-g736bzkdeee/
So i checked the specs, in stores and on these samsung pages and they all appear to be the same XCover 6 Pro, 6GB 5G phones with Dual Sim in black colour.
So here is my question. Are they really the same phone or there is some difference that's my eye is missing?
The difference between the two devices you have named, is that one is made for the German market (EEB) and one is made for the eastern European and Swiss/Austrian markets (EEE).
There may be some issues with things such as samsung pay if you are using a device outside of its region but overall the device should work fine either way.
With the previous model (G715FN), I was able to flash to my local firmware without issue and all bands worked flawlessly as well as all localised features such as samsung pay. Unfortunately once this is done, you will not receive OTA updates any longer as it recognises your device has been modified. This may be because I tripped knox doing all this.
The only other thing to look out for is that you aren't buying a device that has been locked to a given carrier, or requires a sim from that carrier for activation.
Again, there's usually ways around this but you don't need to complicate your life like that.
If you are able to buy locally, surely they can give you some assurances that the device will work with your local providers?
There is no difference in specs, bands etc, it's just localisation support and operator specific configurations to worry about.
Samsung generally include all international MBN files in their modem config files so it's not such a huge deal these days as long as you can successfully register the device for use.
bandario said:
The difference between the two devices you have named, is that one is made for the German market (EEB) and one is made for the eastern European and Swiss/Austrian markets (EEE).
There may be some issues with things such as samsung pay if you are using a device outside of its region but overall the device should work fine either way.
With the previous model (G715FN), I was able to flash to my local firmware without issue and all bands worked flawlessly as well as all localised features such as samsung pay. Unfortunately once this is done, you will not receive OTA updates any longer as it recognises your device has been modified. This may be because I tripped knox doing all this.
The only other thing to look out for is that you aren't buying a device that has been locked to a given carrier, or requires a sim from that carrier for activation.
Again, there's usually ways around this but you don't need to complicate your life like that.
If you are able to buy locally, surely they can give you some assurances that the device will work with your local providers?
There is no difference in specs, bands etc, it's just localisation support and operator specific configurations to worry about.
Samsung generally include all international MBN files in their modem config files so it's not such a huge deal these days as long as you can successfully register the device for use.
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Thanks for detailed explanation!
Anyone tried root with Magisk?
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Anyone tried root with Magisk?
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I have one I got recently, but have not used Magisk. Doesn't one have to access bootloader to do that? Which is my question: Anyone have an unlock for the bootloader?
Yes. There's instructions Here