I have to ask: Why does everyone want a dual core phone which cant even currently be used?
I say it cant be used because dual core processors cant be used on Android 2.3 Gingerbread/Linux kernel 2.6.35, there is only multi-core processor support in A3H/L2.6.36 (only avaliable (officially) on tablets). We will see problably support in in "A4I"/"L3.6.37" for both phones and tablets.
So whats everyones obsession? The only thing you are problably gaining is a SLIGHT speed boost (not even close when a kernal that supports it is released) and more battery drain.
On a counterside this could bring good marketing to Google: They release "A4I", current dual core phones get a HUGE speed boost and everyone praises Google. Could work good for them.
Interesting, I never knew Gingerbread couldn't support dual cores on phones. Good info, I guess I'll keep my Evo for another year.
It's pretty easy to compile the kernel to use multi core processors. The current one may not, but hold your judgement until it's actually released.
crazy25000 said:
It's pretty easy to compile the kernel to use multi core processors. The current one may not, but hold your judgement until it's actually released.
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So true............. Currently 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of users AND developers of applications can and are willing to complie a custom kernel not used by the rest and use/make multi core supported applications with its multi core supported kernel.
I guess progress has to begin somewhere?
i don't think i'll ever need / want a dual core phone for my daily rutine, my SGS is perfect for me, what more could you need from a phone? don't think they'll be able to fit jet packs on them any time soon...
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So true............. Currently 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of users AND developers of applications can and are willing to complie a custom kernel not used by the rest and use/make multi core supported applications with its multi core supported kernel.
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What I'm saying is the kernel can easily be compiled by Google or Samsung and used as the stock kernel on the GSII.
maranello69 said:
i don't think i'll ever need / want a dual core phone for my daily rutine, my SGS is perfect for me, what more could you need from a phone? don't think they'll be able to fit jet packs on them any time soon...
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Yeah its logical to think like that but 3 years ago who thought you need phone with such big screen and processor/RAM almost match PC speed?
As someone said somewhere they have to start but interesting thought by thread creator
ksavai said:
Yeah its logical to think like that but 3 years ago who thought you need phone with such big screen and processor/RAM almost match PC speed?
As someone said somewhere they have to start but interesting thought by thread creator
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Honestly those arent needs either. But as of right now the only purpose of a dual core phone is to brag.
Firstly, I'll apologise if this is in the wrong section.
Secondly, I apologise you've had this question asked dozens of times and I know there's threads right above where I'm typing.
Onto my question.
I'm fairly new to things with mobile phones as I've been stuck on the Symbian SE Satio for the last two years.
I've just rooted my SE Xperia Play (UK Region, so R800i iirc?) and I'd like to flash to the kernel/rom (Don't crucify me) that works correctly ; In that I'm able to use my camera and Wifi (Or at least, have the ability to with further flashing) and allow me to overclock my Snapdragon.
The reason I'm wanting to overclock the phone, is such games like GTA 3 have a stuttering issue, I'd wager it's down to the lowish specs of the phone and hope clocking the CPU could remove that stuttering, as from reading around it seems the snapdragon has quite some headroom (I've seen 2GHZ being branded around, though I'm more than happy with 1.6GHZ, though 2GHZ wouldn't go amiss )
Since I'm new to phones, when I overclock the CPU, would that then overclock the GPU with it? Or is their a way to overclock the GPU? (I've also seen that branded around before)
Now, onto the overclocking, I see kernels/roms such as doomlords, but reading through instructions I'm getting absolutely bamboozled and losing track.
I've done DOS flashing before with GPU's, if it's anything like that at all? (Again, don't crucify me yet!)
Cheers.
Hello there Ace II community.
When Jellybean leaked to the public, I have recorded a review video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J43AbOj95CE) which was honest in its nature (the way it should be) and highlighted negative parts of the software in great detail, as well as expressed my feeling of overall sluggishness the leak presented... Allow me to say a couple of valid arguments against your comments that said "stop whining", "foul mouthed fool", "lol looser" etc. (Many of which appeared after I posted my video right here in this section, many of which were made by those people. Apologies if I disturb others.)
1. This video, is not a music video of a love song written to Samsung but a honest review. It's meant to show you the damn thing, highlight positive and negative parts. Not to sweeten about how gorgeous this ROM is and how much we love Samsung.
2. One person said -- "it's just a dual-core 800 MHz processor, what do you expect from that? It's not a high end phone.". Well, this comment made me roll on the floor and I couldn't get up before 2 hours have passed. Take your Ace II, then take this phone - http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_hd-3468.php. See? It has a single-core 1 GHz processor and the same amount of RAM. It is considered to be high-end phone. Now take a look at your Ace II again? What do you see? The same damn thing. What's different? Clock speed. You could think "OMG IT'S 200 MHz LESS OF COURSE IT'S NOT HIGH-END". No. Hit your head with a palm. Clock speed is irrelevant when it comes to overall performance. Not anymore. It's not year 2005 (and backwards). Moore's law is no longer valid. Speed does not (usually) scale with clock speed as much. Now for a bigger contrast and to emphasize how much Samsung sucks at developing software -- take your almightly hated iPhone 3G. Yes, 3G not 5 (http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_3g-2424.php). It has a single-core 400 MHz ARMv6 processor and 128 MB of RAM -- yet it runs way faster and more steadily than Ace II on its stock firmware. Bah, there is also my main device I use now. It has the same damn CPU (exactly the same), and 256 MB less RAM than Ace II. It's much faster, snappier and stable... And it runs Android 4.0 at that! It's called Sony Xperia Sola. I even have NFC chip here and it cost me 200 PLN less than Ace II. You are blindfolded by Samsung's beautiful ads (such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyHgx1srzE4). So please, don't give me this crap because obviously you have little to nothing knowledge there is in the world about this. Ace II is incredibly high-end when compared to many devices out there, and it literally has no right to be slow. And yes, it would perform much better on aftermarket firmware.
That is all I want to say.
Odp: Fanboys, learn your place.
Hmm, I'm trying to understand what your problem is?
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Hmm, I'm trying to understand what your problem is?
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Fanboys. That's what.
We need to build an Low Orbit Ion Cannon and wipe them from surface of earth. Or at least from Ace II community.
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Ok, why here? Aren't those comments from YouTube? I think you should discuss there. Thread name is bit offensive
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Ok, why here? Aren't those comments from YouTube? I think you should discuss there. Thread name is bit offensive
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Not really no. Should be put as a sticky for people to understand that they are not carrying pitiful phone, but a high-end device and make them stop writing biased statements like this.
An explanation, per se -- how do we compare performance the right way.
Odp: Fanboys, learn your place.
Are you still plan to create custom rom when the source of 4.1 will be released ?
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Nothing to see here.
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Are you still plan to create custom rom when the source of 4.1 will be released ?
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I'm working on just that right now. Macław is considering joining the board.
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The target is CM 10 / AOSP / AOKP ?
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The target is CM 10 / AOSP / AOKP ?
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here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008632
It was closed on my request because... The amount of spam and fanboyism was too damn high,
R: Fanboys, learn your place.
The problem is who "think" to know about Android world, think that only s3 or one x + are the best android phone..
Have a nice work!
mkel91 said:
The problem is who "think" to know about Android world, think that only s3 or one x + are the best android phone..
Have a nice work!
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Well said. Thanks.
I think Samsung is crippling phones on software level. Here's 2 different phones with exactly the same SoC running the same HTML5 app.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Eq0MKifx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSSiUfewrR8
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Well said. Thanks.
I think Samsung is crippling phones on software level. Here's 2 different phones with exactly the same SoC running the same HTML5 app.
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Okey but Ace 2 is installed android from leaking so this is not a fair fight ....
I haven't watched the video yet but I am too an owner of both SGA2 and xperia sola running both stock rom and all. I dont know what you use your phone for your everyday life. but for me, at least in my own experience, xperia sola is so disappointing for daily use. Messaging too slow when opening, when someone's calling its taking too long to display the caller's name or number. Camera also not very good, it takes too long to focus and capture photo. Games, well it sucks hard, im not a hardcore gamer but I have games on my phones, temple run2, subway surfer, candy crush and plants vs zombies to be specific. In my sola, it lags like hell. On my SGA2, I dont have those issues. (except for the games when on the leaked JB)
Maybe I dont have a point in this topic, I just wanted to share that im way contented on the performance of my SGA2(MB4 leaked) than my xperia sola(stock ICS).
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I haven't watched the video yet but I am too an owner of both SGA2 and xperia sola running both stock rom and all. I dont know what you use your phone for your everyday life. but for me, at least in my own experience, xperia sola is so disappointing for daily use. Messaging too slow when opening, when someone's calling its taking too long to display the caller's name or number. Camera also not very good, it takes too long to focus and capture photo. Games, well it sucks hard, im not a hardcore gamer but I have games on my phones, temple run2, subway surfer, candy crush and plants vs zombies to be specific. In my sola, it lags like hell. On my SGA2, I dont have those issues. (except for the games when on the leaked JB)
Maybe I dont have a point in this topic, I just wanted to share that im way contented on the performance of my SGA2(MB4 leaked) than my xperia sola(stock ICS).
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Software development/game development and a lot of phone calls.
...Hardware is not the point. Both have amazing hardware. The point is software.
Samsung fails at doing software.
bagnz0r said:
Well said. Thanks.
I think Samsung is crippling phones on software level. Here's 2 different phones with exactly the same SoC running the same HTML5 app.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Eq0MKifx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSSiUfewrR8
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Well, if they made a good software for mid end phones, who would buy high ends?
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Well, if they made a good software for mid end phones, who would buy high ends?
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That's exactly the damn strategy. To fool people like these fanboys.
Same with samsung's devices... Take SGA2 and SGS3 mini. Both run the same hardware, yet both are incredibly different in terms of performance. Lol.
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That's exactly the damn strategy. To fool people like these fanboys.
Same with samsung's devices... Take SGA2 and SGS3 mini. Both run the same hardware, yet both are incredibly different in terms of performance. Lol.
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That's the reason why XDA is here. To unleash the full potential of devices.
bagnz0r, I wish the phone was faster and with software optimized as iOS, but indeed, not everything can be written in assembly
There is not only about software. I'm also a software engineer student, was sitting on Linux based systems more than 5 years, get used to the fact that always something doesn't perform as it should.
But from hardware point of view, I can tell you something. They pack a powerful dual-core processor, enough ram, little space, decent screen and few sensors, but people a get used to look only at processor's speed and number of cores, ram size and storage space.
So how can you limit phone's performance? Pack a powerful CPU and GPU with extremely low speed ram and storage. And while system is bringing data, CPU and GPU are idling.
They also play dirty with hardware. So, Galaxy S3 mini, have a higher clock speed, and so far, from antutu benchmark, a faster ram.
About storage, if you pack some memory with low IOps, you'll gonna have a bad time.
After trying different storage and throughput benchmarks, I decided that out phone has a great CPU and GPU with crippled RAM and STORAGE:
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bagnz0r, I wish the phone was faster and with software optimized as iOS, but indeed, not everything can be written in assembly
There is not only about software. I'm also a software engineer student, was sitting on Linux based systems more than 5 years, get used to the fact that always something doesn't perform as it should.
But from hardware point of view, I can tell you something. They pack a powerful dual-core processor, enough ram, little space, decent screen and few sensors, but people a get used to look only at processor's speed and number of cores, ram size and storage space.
So how can you limit phone's performance? Pack a powerful CPU and GPU with extremely low speed ram and storage. And while system is bringing data, CPU and GPU are idling.
They also play dirty with hardware. So, Galaxy S3 mini, have a higher clock speed, and so far, from antutu benchmark, a faster ram.
About storage, if you pack some memory with low IOps, you'll gonna have a bad time.
After trying different storage and throughput benchmarks, I decided that out phone has a great CPU and GPU with crippled RAM and STORAGE:
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Yes, I agree here.
But then again, speaking of storage -- it's hard to go beyond limit of reasonable IO on NAND chips.