So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
Personal opinion for everything within; don't quote me as gospel. Have a google around yourself and make your own decisions based on that.
SD808 vs SD810; the SD808 is used in the LG G4 whilst the HTC One M9 uses the SD810 so you should be able to get a basic idea from this comparison. As far as I know about the LG G4, the SD808 performs really well and doesn't leave you wanting for nothing. I personally don't own a G4 so a G4 owner and M9 owner could answer this better. Have a look online and see what people are saying. Linus Tech Tips have video reviews for both phones so that may also be some help for you.
3gb vs 4gb ram; I don't think this is really going to affect mobile users. If we take a look at apple, the ipad air has 1gb ram and performs really well. Same with the iphone 6 and I don't know anyone who owns one that complains about it. Granted, iOS and android are two different beasts - but if 1gb is fine over there, 3gb should be more than sufficient for us.
USB Type-C; even though native support for USB Type-C is coming around in Android M, I don't think the adoption for it will be very quick. I know apple has it on their new macbook air (I believe) - but widespread adoption will be some time from now. Micro-USB is still going to be around for a while imo and won't be an issue for the Moto X.
Again, personal opinion. I'd go for the Moto X based on the fact that Motorola have a good name behind them, build good quality phones that last and have a decent customer service track record, whereas if you look on the oneplus forums (I'd say take it with a pinch of salt but you may need a barrel of salt) you'll find quite a lot of complaints regarding Oneplus' customer service. Granted, they are quite a young company and these issues may not be around for much longer as they work out the kinks in their processes but it's something to consider as every so often, there will be a faulty phone and it may just be your bad luck in getting the bad egg.
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Personal opinion for everything within; don't quote me as gospel. Have a google around yourself and make your own decisions based on that.
SD808 vs SD810; the SD808 is used in the LG G4 whilst the HTC One M9 uses the SD810 so you should be able to get a basic idea from this comparison. As far as I know about the LG G4, the SD808 performs really well and doesn't leave you wanting for nothing. I personally don't own a G4 so a G4 owner and M9 owner could answer this better. Have a look online and see what people are saying. Linus Tech Tips have video reviews for both phones so that may also be some help for you.
3gb vs 4gb ram; I don't think this is really going to affect mobile users. If we take a look at apple, the ipad air has 1gb ram and performs really well. Same with the iphone 6 and I don't know anyone who owns one that complains about it. Granted, iOS and android are two different beasts - but if 1gb is fine over there, 3gb should be more than sufficient for us.
USB Type-C; even though native support for USB Type-C is coming around in Android M, I don't think the adoption for it will be very quick. I know apple has it on their new macbook air (I believe) - but widespread adoption will be some time from now. Micro-USB is still going to be around for a while imo and won't be an issue for the Moto X.
Again, personal opinion. I'd go for the Moto X based on the fact that Motorola have a good name behind them, build good quality phones that last and have a decent customer service track record, whereas if you look on the oneplus forums (I'd say take it with a pinch of salt but you may need a barrel of salt) you'll find quite a lot of complaints regarding Oneplus' customer service. Granted, they are quite a young company and these issues may not be around for much longer as they work out the kinks in their processes but it's something to consider as every so often, there will be a faulty phone and it may just be your bad luck in getting the bad egg.
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Yeah, inclining towards the X style for now. Will wait for both's reviews now. Also, the 1+2 is priced at 25,000 (389$) in my country, and the new moto X 16gb version is priced at 399$, so that'll probably convert to 26,000 + leather/wood back ones are 2,000 extra so I guess the 64gb one will be priced around 35k, which is 40% higher price than 1+2. This one is a real doozy, both these phones at the end of the day are equal.
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Yeah, inclining towards the X style for now. Will wait for both's reviews now. Also, the 1+2 is priced at 25,000 (389$) in my country, and the new moto X 16gb version is priced at 399$, so that'll probably convert to 26,000 + leather/wood back ones are 2,000 extra so I guess the 64gb one will be priced around 35k, which is 40% higher price than 1+2. This one is a real doozy, both these phones at the end of the day are equal.
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One thing that may sway you towards the OP2 is that apparently (read this in a news article - take it with a barrel of salt again!) OP is concentrating heavily on selling around a million units in India, so they may be giving better support whereas Motorola may not be as prevalent in terms of support. Can't say for certain - not from and never been to India - but speaking from my experiences and knowledge of being in Pakistan for quite a while.
Also, if specs don't bother you too much, it may be an idea to look heavily at the moto x play, simply because of the huge battery whilst still being a really powerful phone.
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One thing that may sway you towards the OP2 is that apparently (read this in a news article - take it with a barrel of salt again!) OP is concentrating heavily on selling around a million units in India, so they may be giving better support whereas Motorola may not be as prevalent in terms of support. Can't say for certain - not from and never been to India - but speaking from my experiences and knowledge of being in Pakistan for quite a while.
Also, if specs don't bother you too much, it may be an idea to look heavily at the moto x play, simply because of the huge battery whilst still being a really powerful phone.
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Nah, OnePlus can't compete with moto's customer service. Even if they can, then also, not a big deal, customer service, it just needs to be good, I don't need it to be great. And no moto play for me, I decided that I'll buy a flagship, so I'll buy a flagship.
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iOS and Android system have much differences, that's why 1gb RAM feels so different between Android and iOS..
I've found complete explanation of it but forgot the source *sorry*
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Come on be serious...what comparison is this. Compare 1+1 with 1+2 or 1+2 with my 4 years old htc sensation
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So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
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Depending on how you use your phone and how each phone handles battery life, the rate of charging might not be a factor to consider. If you burn through battery (and/or the phone itself helps) and can't get a days worth then fast charging should be important. If you don't use your phone much, turn radios off, etc. and charge your phone when you are asleep then either method of charging will do. Neither phone has wireless charging so you'd have to look elsewhere to get it. Feel is totally subjective and ONLY important for your tastes/wants. The screen is a contentious issue as some don't see a difference between 2k and 1080p, think the increase is worth the battery hit, or other reasons specific to the screens compared. If DxO is to be believed then the rear sensor in the Style is something to be reckoned with.
In real life usage, the 808 or 810 should be close to each other. The 808 is only "missing" two "Big" A57 cores when compared to the 810. The real difference is in benchmarks where having the "missing" cores will show better scores. With an almost stock Android interface the Style should show no feeling that "it needs more." I have no experience with OnePlus (or Moto and their OS optimizations) phones to speak on how Oxygen OS behaves. Since both phones aren't out to buy and be reviewed, any talk beforehand is just speculation. Wait for reviews from people you trust for an opinion or get a hand-on yourself on the UX "feel."
The amount of RAM you "need" or "should have" is debatable. If you play a lot of games and switch between heavy RAM-usage apps (or a lot of them) frequently, more RAM is beneficial. The type of RAM is cut-and-dry. LPDDR4 is simply better than LPDDR3. AS A STANDARD LPDDR4 operates at faster speeds AND uses less power than LPDDR3. Whether OnePlus has taken full advantage of the benefits has not been disclosed and no one has a device to find out the speed their RAM runs at for a definite conclusion.
USB Type-C is the "cable to end cables" when properly implemented. Full stop. Type-C was created with USB 3.1 and ALL of its benefits come with 3.1 AND software that enables those features. For the actual cable, Type-C brings a reversible plug (like Lightning) so there isn't a correct way you can plug the cable in. USB 2.0 (most likely in the Style too) will max at around 20 MB/s when transferring files to your computer or another device, and will be slower for smaller files. USB 3.0 and 3.1 will transfer at MUCH faster speeds with larger files. You can learn more about 3.1 and Type-C here and with a quick search. Other Type-C features aren't worth discussing as neither phone can take advantage of them.
Contact-less payments are supposed to finally take-off with the launch of Android (and Samsung) Pay to give that "extra push" to retailers that this is a feature that most would take advantage of when consumers can. Honestly, Apple Pay sowed the seed for contact-less payments. If contact-less payments is something you can see yourself doing then the OnePlus2 will not allow you to do so. Speaker quality or stereo speakers is a nice feature to have and should be considered if you play any media over the speakers. I have no comment with eithers' Costumer Support reputation.
For me, the decision between the OnePlus2 and Style is a no brainer. The OnePlus2 makes too many concessions against OnePlus' OWN BELIEFS and against the Style to make this a hard decision. Which is why I'll be replacing my G2 with the Style at some point this year, unless the new Nexus phone(s) are compelling enough
Think I may finally jump on a new phone, the Moto X Play or whatever it's being called for Verizon. That's a bit confusing. But Moto's radios are the best, a big factor, plus they finally went back to SD cards. I keep hearing the screen will not be tops due to it not being Amoled. Guess I'll have to check it out first before jumping. Also want it rooted, so I'm not going to be the one to jump first when it's sold so I can find out if it'll be rooted. But I'm definitely leaning towards that. It's either this or probably going to find a Note 4 developers addition and go that route...hard choices....
Moto x pure edition, not play
Galaxy S6
Which is why I'll be replacing my G2 with the Style at some point this year, unless the new Nexus phone(s) are compelling enough
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Nexus line of phones will never provide microSD card slot (google wants you to use its cloud!), and the 64GB version will make you pay 100$ more than the basic 16GB model. The best 64GB cards are under 30$ right now. So, I essentially get 80GB of storage with Style for 70$ less. Give me Style any day over Nexus or even OP2 (which gives 64GB for 389).
More than that though, its the camera and front facing stereo speakers that excite me about Style. We will see when it comes out.
bhu1 said:
So initially I was really excited about the new 1+2, but since its launch I am a bit disappointed because of some crucial compromises that come with buying this phone. And under 24 hrs, moto launched its new Moto X style which just make me not like the 1+2 even more. But I am looking to buy one of these two phone so I logically comparing them to make a decision. With the current info we have moto X seem much better in many departments -
Design, Battery (Fast charge vs 1+2 charging in 3:20 hrs), wireless charging, more Premium feel according to many tech sites, 2k screen, the new Sony 21MP sensor.
But there are also some definite areas where 1+2 seems better but I wanna know 'How' much better, would like to know from someone who has used these processors or knows in detail about these RAMs and USB ports :-
808 vs 810, so the new moto X has the 808 while the 1+2 has 810, both are very mediocre processors from Qualcomm's standards, but it is what it is, so I wanna know exactly how much better 810 is than 808 in real life usage, will i be able to do all kinds of the most power consuming tasks for the next 2-3 years ?
3Gb Lpddr3 vs 4gb Lpddr4, here I am not sure if the new moto X has LPDDR4 or lpddr3 ram and if its 3 then how much difference will it have seeing as its also 3gb vs 4gb, in real life usage, how much difference is that ?
The USB - C port on the 1+2, I was really excited about this one before launch but after its launch I read 2-3 sites mentioning that it's 2.0 and not 3.1( don't know what that exactly that means), and hence it won't be much faster than a regular USB cable and u can't use it as a replacement for HDMI cable.
Edit - P.S. - Also, the moto X has NFC and much better speakers and better customer service.
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same thing happened to me
I'm dropping the two and will pick the moto x pure because it has the following that the two refused to add:
microsd slot
rapid charge
21 mp camera
front facing stereo speakers
invite-less purchase
but then that might change when the moto x pure is released
Id give the nod to the moto for several reasons the 3 big ones being.
ext sd card support, this is huge
Slightly larger screen
Moto customer support. If you read anything about OPO one thing is for sure in that their support is terrible.
Thats 3 reasons enough for me.:thumbup:
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I was inclined towards the one plus two before launch. Had really big expectations. But Moto X Style has upped the stakes. The only problem is availability and pricing. In India the customer service of Motorola is good. Only if Motorola announces the availability and pricing
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At this point I'd say moto x is my pick, one plus invite system is a turn off and is already starting to make me not want to get the device.
I still don't get their reasoning for leaving out NFC from the OP2. They claim it wasn't widely used and it added cost, yet they decided to add a fingerprint sensor...
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At this point I'd say moto x is my pick, one plus invite system is a turn off and is already starting to make me not want to get the device.
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And theres an artlicle online where someone says he cheated the invite reservation system haha. But yeah its all a joke tbh as you spam people to go up the list.
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Think I may finally jump on a new phone, the Moto X Play or whatever it's being called for Verizon. That's a bit confusing. But Moto's radios are the best, a big factor, plus they finally went back to SD cards. I keep hearing the screen will not be tops due to it not being Amoled. Guess I'll have to check it out first before jumping. Also want it rooted, so I'm not going to be the one to jump first when it's sold so I can find out if it'll be rooted. But I'm definitely leaning towards that. It's either this or probably going to find a Note 4 developers addition and go that route...hard choices....
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I tried a Samsung Note 3 and I lost 7% of my calls according to Verizon. I switched to a Motorola n6 six months ago and haven't lost a call since. My dBm ranges from 100 to 121 (right now it 114). Motorola is the only one that can hold on to a phone call where I live. So, I will only buy Motorola phones from now on.
I had the OPO for about a year and finally was able to return it.
Too many touch issues and since getting Lollipop I've had nothing but battery issues. I tried many roms however I couldn't stand it.
I tried the Moto X 2nd gen for 2 days and fell in love.
Currently i'm testing out the Nexus 6 to see if I can handle the screen size, so far it's good however I'd like it to be a little smaller so I think the new Moto X might be fine.
I wish they went with a 5.5 and non QHD or at least went with a bigger battery.
I'm hoping the new Moto X's camera will be better than the Nexus 6
If I was rich I would get both. But the biggest advantage of the oneplus2 will likely be battery life. I have a feeling that the oneplus2 will be easier to hold. I like the fact that you can program the capacitive buttons on either side of the home button. But overall the moto x style would get my hard earned money. Software and screen quality/size give it the leg up on the oneplus2 for me.
I don't really don't want to spend more than $400, ($600 if it can really deliver).
I need:
Headphone Jack
Micro SD slot (or it will have to have 512gb or 1Tb models available [probably more than $600])
6-8gb RAM
OLED
Decent battery
Android 9
A decent radio would nice, maybe a must, something with good reception, but, from what i can tell mid rang phones skimp on radio quality.
My OnePlusX has all of this minus the 6gb of RAM but, ever since updating to android 9 it's been acting like hardware failure or like there is moisture the main board, GPS not updating/working, No notifications when i get texts etc etc (all worked at first after initial upgrade) One plus sells nothing over 256gb.
You should try the Xiaomi Mi 9.
Somethings it has going for it:
6gb Ram
Snapdragon 855
Android 9
super AMOLED screen
3300 mAh battery.
seems to check all of your requirements. I think B&H photo has it at $419. It's even dual sim. I currently have around 4-5 android phones because of work reasons. Xiaomi phones have always been my goto because of the build quality and it not slowing down after long term use.
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I don't really don't want to spend more than $400, ($600 if it can really deliver).
I need:
Headphone Jack
Micro SD slot (or it will have to have 512gb or 1Tb models available [probably more than $600])
6-8gb RAM
OLED
Decent battery
Android 9
A decent radio would nice, maybe a must, something with good reception, but, from what i can tell mid rang phones skimp on radio quality.
My OnePlusX has all of this minus the 6gb of RAM but, ever since updating to android 9 it's been acting like hardware failure or like there is moisture the main board, GPS not updating/working, No notifications when i get texts etc etc (all worked at first after initial upgrade) One plus sells nothing over 256gb.
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You should try the Xiaomi Mi 9.
Somethings it has going for it:
6gb Ram
Snapdragon 855
Android 9
super AMOLED screen
3300 mAh battery.
seems to check all of your requirements. I think B&H photo has it at $419. It's even dual sim. I currently have around 4-5 android phones because of work reasons. Xiaomi phones have always been my goto because of the build quality and it not slowing down after long term use.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846277
I've come close to buying a Pixel 3 a few times now but just not sure it it's worth the upgrade.
My 2 main issues are LG's version of Android + lack of updates and overall speed/snappiness.
$500 for 4GB of ram in 2019 seems like a bad decision. Plus no sd card slot or headphone jack, and last year's 845 Snapdragon.
Is there really that much of a noticeable difference in speed and camera quality?
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I've come close to buying a Pixel 3 a few times now but just not sure it it's worth the upgrade.
My 2 main issues are LG's version of Android + lack of updates and overall speed/snappiness.
$500 for 4GB of ram in 2019 seems like a bad decision. Plus no sd card slot or headphone jack, and last year's 845 Snapdragon.
Is there really that much of a noticeable difference in speed and camera quality?
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I'm just about to buy a Pixel 3 to go sidewards from a Nokia 8 Sirocco (went with this inititally due to cheaper Android One experience in a small form factor with an OLED screen).
I guess I get a Snapdragon 845 instead of 835, but the Sirocco has 6GB of ram compared to the Pixel on 4GB.
It's definitely an issue Google only went with 4GB of RAM, but I guess the question always is
"Do you actually notice a real world difference, or could someone tell you that you have 6GB and you wouldn't know any different?". It's a phone operating system, not Windows.
What are you using the phone for? Heavy gaming? Maybe consider it. If it's just like me and its commutting whilst listening to music/posting on social media and if there is ever any gaming its things like Peggle, I doubt we'll notice 4GB.
Google's camera lenses might not be the best in the industry, but their software is and while there are lots of Gcam ports, being on the Pixel means one of the best camera experiences overall. No gimmicks, just great photos.
The only other thing I could suggest to you right now is with the Pixel 4 dropping this year, might be worth waiting for cheaper deals.
As for the headphone jack, I've been team headphone jack since forever, but I reluctantly gave it up with the Sirocco and I guess I've just got used to it. With USB C headphones that is. **** ever going wireless and having to charge headphones.
I had a G6, and the Pixel 3 is a better phone (purely imo, obviously) but as you say, the specs and cost might not be the best deal you can get in 2019.
I came from an LG V10 and I do not think it was worth the money overall.
I'm planning on buying a new phone and the most important thing that I'm looking for is longevity, that is, to get a phone that will last as much as possible before I need to replace it, something like 4+ years.
The two phones that are within my price range and that I think will fulfil this criteria are: Poco F3 and Samsung Galaxy A52s
Now, I'm in a bit of a dilemma of deciding which of these two phones I should take, and the only thing that remains is to decide which of the features of these phones provide better future-proofing.
Poco F3 for example, comes with amazing specs for it's price range (SD870 CPU, Adreno 650 GPU, 8GB (DDR5) RAM, UFS 3.1 Storage speed) which seem to be flagship grade, and it does have IP53 rating. However, from what I've read, it does come with a weaker / sluggish software, that is, it's operating system MIUI, and less update support.
A52s on the other hand comes with weaker specs that are mostly aimed towards midrange phones (SD778 CPU, Adreno 642L GPU, 6GB (DDR4) RAM, UFS 2.1 Storage speed), but it does come with a bit more stable OS, more software support, and IP67 rating.
Both phones have specs that are overkill for my minimal use cases. I don't do a lot on my phone other than browse the net and watch YouTube videos, and I try to avoid dropping my phone on the ground and water so I'm not sure how much the IP ratings are relevant here. The only remaining factor in deciding which of these two phones I should get is whether or not taking a phone with better hardware (F3) has an advantage of taking a phone with better software support (A52s)?
On the one hand, if I take F3, I'll have better hardware, but less updates to push that hardware to it's maximum efficiency, and due to my use cases, I wonder if I should even bother with stronger specs, whereas if I take the A52s, I'm worried about the opposite, if it's midrange CPU (SD778) will be enough for those years ahead to push things through smoothly and without stutter, and if all these software updates will eat up more and more (of it's limited 6GB) memory.
I know that I'm probably overthinking this, but seeing how the prices are quite similar (with A52s being around ~30$ cheaper), in your opinion, which of these two would you take if you wish for a that will last you as long as possible?
IMO only the hardware specs are decisive. The OS at any time can get changed.
Which old Samsung (2012-2016) is the most popular and best in custom rom and rooting. Which has a large number of features and firmware even android 12, 13 and custom firmwares that are still coming out for this phone?
You wouldn't not want to go higher than Android 9 on these old phones even if possible. You'll be stuck with 6.0.6 officially.
The Note 4 was a beast in its day. Many phones back then were running 32 bit not 64 bit, so there's that. You probably want the Exynos 64 bit variant.
That said the difference between a 64 bit N4 and a N10+ is night and day... less the IR blaster and the 3.5mm jack. The break point in performance is the N9 vs the N10+; the N10+ is noticeably faster. Flagship models that follow the N10+ the performance increase is negligible especially in day to day usage. In some respects like SOT vs battery size it's noticeably worse.
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You wouldn't not want to go higher than Android 9 on these old phones even if possible. You'll be stuck with 6.0.6 officially.
The Note 4 was a beast in its day. Many phones back then were running 32 bit not 64 bit, so there's that. You probably want the Exynos 64 bit variant.
That said the difference between a 64 bit N4 and a N10+ is night and day... less the IR blaster and the 3.5mm jack. The break point in performance is the N9 vs the N10+; the N10+ is noticeably faster. Flagship models that follow the N10+ the performance increase is negligible especially in day to day usage. In some respects like SOT vs battery size it's noticeably worse
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Ok thanks. So for my understanding Note 4 is the best?
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Depends which features you want, that's a lot of years. In some flagships Samsung lost expandable storage if I remember correctly usually alternating from year to year. Samsung played that game. It cost them sales back then as it does today.
The N4 was the Note I always wanted but that's almost a decade ago now. Those older OS's are suspectable to nasty partition worming rootkits like Xhelper. Pie and up are not. The old Touch Wiz UI sucks when compared to One UI. I went from the S4+ to the N10+, it was future shock at first. I can't see doing the reverse. Occasionally I boot up the S4+, it takes forever to do anything.
KitKat was a nice OS but again that was 8 years ago.
There was a lot of tangible hardware and firmware improvements that increased usage performance between 2015-2019 at which point they then slowed dramatically. Samsung zenithed with the N10+, Google with Android 9 after which they got lost in their own bs hype, in my opinion.
I likely will not buy another Android for 2-3+ years because of this. I now run two N10+'s. One runs on 9, the other 10, both will never be upgraded; I prefer Pie as it's a more capable OS with less clutter and no scoped storage (another lame Apple concept adapted by Google and shoved down our throats).
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Which old Samsung (2012-2016) is the most popular and best in custom rom and rooting. Which has a large number of features and firmware even android 12, 13 and custom firmwares that are still coming out for this phone?
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Galaxy tab 2 was good. Just last year devs managed to get android 8 working on it but nothing after that.