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[Q] What do I need to know about rooting my phone?

Hi!
I really hate asking such noobish questions but I'm seriously thinking about rooting my phone to get added features. But I'm really afraid to! I don't want to flash any ROMS to it but want added functionality that some apps have to offer.
Here's my short list of concerns:
1) Will I hurt my phone?
2) When there is an OTA update to my device what do I do. I heard people talk about it but never really paid much attention since it didn't concern me.
3) Will doing so take up more storage? The device only has 16GB and I try to keep at least 7GB free.
4) How much of a degree in rocket science will I need to do this? I'm an IT professional but I work with mainframe technology (very large systems). I'm not afraid of downloading and running trusted software and am very good at following directions.
5) If I root my phone when do I have to unroot it?
6) And last but not least where do I find out how to root my device?
I appreciate the help/advice! I just have to be careful I don't have the extra cash to go buying a device if I brick my current phone!
Again .. thank you much in advance!
BTW I'm running a Nexus 5 16GB and my carrier is Sprint.

Hola. I will try to answer your questions, as good as i can
1. If you are careful, the chance is small. I have personal never broken anything. I have tried a bad ROM. But it didnt brick anything In the start, i only wanted to root, to get the features that root gives you. But now i flash custom ROM´s and stuff like that. So try it, trust me its worth!
2. What do you mean with a OTA update? Maybe i´m just stupid...
3. It dosen´t take much space on my phone, so i can´t see why it should do it on your phone. Ofc. if you have alot of programs, and data it does
4. Not much, everybody can do it, if they just read about their phone, and generally root.
5. When you wants too
6. Check this link, http://www.xda-developers.com/android/how-to-root-and-unlock-the-google-nexus-5-xda-developer-tv/
Write if you need more help. But i dont know anything about rooting Nexus 5, so dont blame me. Just use the guide, and the chances for bricking is small

Sambianer said:
Hola. I will try to answer your questions, as good as i can
2. What do you mean with a OTA update? Maybe i´m just stupid...
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Over The Air (OTA) when android gets its updates.

I guess you can update, without any problems.
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Sambianer said:
6. Check this link, http://www.xda-developers.com/android/how-to-root-and-unlock-the-google-nexus-5-xda-developer-tv/
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This videos was disgustingly easy! Ah, how to you reverse the process?
GustavoJH98 said:
Do not be afraid: D
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That video has made doing this a lot easier. Like I said above about reversing the process once I find out how I just might dive into it.
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If it's any help, I'll say this: I had a Nexus S, rooted and flashed with new ROMs a million times. It suddenly died on me when charging, and I went out to buy another one to root and flash again. It's that awesome to be able to make it a custom experience, I'd say go for it no matter what. Just a little care goes a long way, though.

[Q] Cyanogenmod One-Click

Sorry if this is the wrong section, I figured ROMs would be better but I can't post there, I was told to post here.
I'm new to all this ROM stuff, but I *REALLY* like the look of some of them. I'm good with technology, but when it comes down to (what seems like) a million terms and such to learn and install (what seems like) a hundred things to get it in here, I get confused.
For this reason, Cyanogenmod's One-Click installer appeals to me. I'd love to use Cyanogenmod when it's stable on my Moto G, but I can't wrap my head around some of this stuff, and I'm terrified something will go wrong. I couldn't seem to find an answer though, will the One-Click Installer support the Moto G when it's stable? Do all devices (assuming they officially support Cyanogenmod)?
Thanks

I've never done it on moto g yet but have on other phones and on tables and trust me it's very easy to install the old way.
You can't really go wrong, once you are rooted and backed up. And there is good tools for that on here.

eemgee said:
I've never done it on moto g yet but have on other phones and on tables and trust me it's very easy to install the old way.
You can't really go wrong, once you are rooted and backed up. And there is good tools for that on here.
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Still read about the risks of bricking the device, would rather not go down that route. I'm just not confident enough.
Plus rooting requires doing a fair bit just on the moto G when I last Googled it, otherwise I would have. On my Huawei Ascend G510 (last phone) it was literally 'Plug in USB cable, run program, click 'Root', '

In my opinion it is the better way to get first confident with those things.
A one click installer is nice, sure.
But i think it is always better to understand what is really happening behind a one click installer by learning doing the unlocking, rooting and flashing steps manually. If something goes wrong, then you have learned what to do in case of a bad flash or if you wanna go back to stock.
Sure many devices got easy installers which made life much more simple. But the more the tools made it simplier the more helpless the people got when something went wrong.
Sure you can brick your device in one or the other way. And i had also a few hours in the last years when the sweat was on my forehead. But i could always come out of these situations. My expereience says, correct me somebody if i am wrong, that only by flashing roms you will hardly brick your device.
I think many people do just something, whitout reading really about that what they are doing. They first do something and then they start reading. Often also steps are described in the OP and people are still asking the same questions. That shows, that there are people but they do not really read carefully what is writte in a guide/tutorial/howto. It is not really neccessary to go too deep into theory for flashing devices. But the basic steps, are e.g. how fastboot or adb works. What a recovery is, how it can be used and so on...
If i am not wrong then this was also a reason why the CyanogenMod installer was removed vom Google Play Store.
If you don't know how to help yourself, then this is only a one way direction. And here we have 5 millions users at XDA. I guess other 100 of millions do not even now about XDA or similar sites where they can find help.
Just my 5 cents......

mokkami said:
In my opinion it is the better way to get first confident with those things.
A one click installer is nice, sure.
But i think it is always better to understand what is really happening behind a one click installer by learning doing the unlocking, rooting and flashing steps manually. If something goes wrong, then you have learned what to do in case of a bad flash or if you wanna go back to stock.
Sure many devices got easy installers which made life much more simple. But the more the tools made it simplier the more helpless the people got when something went wrong.
Sure you can brick your device in one or the other way. And i had also a few hours in the last years when the sweat was on my forehead. But i could always come out of these situations. My expereience says, correct me somebody if i am wrong, that only by flashing roms you will hardly brick your device.
I think many people do just something, whitout reading really about that what they are doing. They first do something and then they start reading. Often also steps are described in the OP and people are still asking the same questions. That shows, that there are people but they do not really read carefully what is writte in a guide/tutorial/howto. It is not really neccessary to go too deep into theory for flashing devices. But the basic steps, are e.g. how fastboot or adb works. What a recovery is, how it can be used and so on...
If i am not wrong then this was also a reason why the CyanogenMod installer was removed vom Google Play Store.
If you don't know how to help yourself, then this is only a one way direction. And here we have 5 millions users at XDA. I guess other 100 of millions do not even now about XDA or similar sites where they can find help.
Just my 5 cents......
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From knowing computers, I agree to some extent. I do want to learn this, but it feels like a load to learn at once, and I would say the same thing had someone said the same thing about computers. (Well no, I wouldn't, because by installing an OS it's pretty difficult to 'brick' a computer- but it's good to understand anyway.)
I have learned a fair amount about the ROMs, but when you start talking about unlocking the bootloader, flashing recovery and the works then dangle a one click installer under my nose... You see my point?
The one-click seems better.

Jamessuperfun said:
Well no, I wouldn't, because by installing an OS it's pretty difficult to 'brick' a computer- but it's good to understand anyway.
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I think this is exactly the point. Installing an operating system is much easier than flashing a rom. Actually the only thing what can happen on a pc is that you install the os on the wrong partition and you could loose your data or you delete the wrong partition. Okay you have to know how t bring your pc to the point to start from a CD or usb stick. As you said, you can not brick your pc in that way. But that is the point i think.
As i said before. In my knowledge the Cyanogenmod installer is a one way direction. Once the normal user want to go back he is in trouble. And that is the thing what the most users will not understand. But when the trouble is there then.... then, then they understand .... they are f**ked if they do not know to find help.
Yeah, but two different persons, two different point of views.
I accept yours. But i don't share the same opinion. At least not yet.
Maybe when the day comes and all that flashing stuff is made for the public. (What i doubt.)

OK I found compatibility list and moto g isn't on it http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/CyanogenMod_Installer
Moto G
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mokkami said:
I think this is exactly the point. Installing an operating system is much easier than flashing a rom. Actually the only thing what can happen on a pc is that you install the os on the wrong partition and you could loose your data or you delete the wrong partition. Okay you have to know how t bring your pc to the point to start from a CD or usb stick. As you said, you can not brick your pc in that way. But that is the point i think.
As i said before. In my knowledge the Cyanogenmod installer is a one way direction. Once the normal user want to go back he is in trouble. And that is the thing what the most users will not understand. But when the trouble is there then.... then, then they understand .... they are f**ked if they do not know to find help.
Yeah, but two different persons, two different point of views.
I accept yours. But i don't share the same opinion. At least not yet.
Maybe when the day comes and all that flashing stuff is made for the public. (What i doubt.)
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I don't mean to sound, I don't know, like I'm taking the community for granted, but I know of XDA and some other websites, so wouldn't I (highly likely) find help if I had a problem? (I'm a little worried how that'll come across, I mean it as a praise for places like this)
I think however the one-click installer is to target the average person.
I did see the list of supported devices, but the Moto G is still in nightly builds, so I figured it would come in stable (if it does), which I mentioned in my first post- do most (or all) supported devices get support for the installer?

LG STYLO BOOST is rooted ,........ Now What?

Wow, phones have really changed since I had my work Nextel phone about 10 years ago. Haven't had one until I got this Stylo last summer. I've been fiddling with it and reading the posts to try to catch up. Well I just rooted it with KingRoot 4.8 successfully, I think, now what? I should flash a new ROM or TWRP or something to get the benefits of root? I know I don't know what I'm doing, but would someone clarify where I'm at before I get myself into trouble. Explain it like you're writing a "Rooting For Dummies" book.?

frankiebaby said:
Wow, phones have really changed since I had my work Nextel phone about 10 years ago. Haven't had one until I got this Stylo last summer. I've been fiddling with it and reading the posts to try to catch up. Well I just rooted it with KingRoot 4.8 successfully, I think, now what? I should flash a new ROM or TWRP or something to get the benefits of root? I know I don't know what I'm doing, but would someone clarify where I'm at before I get myself into trouble. Explain it like you're writing a "Rooting For Dummies" book.?
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Well that's a damn near impossible question to answer without knowing why you rooted, what method you used, what you already know in general, and what you know that is not accurate because 98% of android users are fed horribly inaccurate, potential dangerous, and just wrong information. If I can determine what you want outta your device and what you know and don't (and shouldn't lol), I can tell you exactly what you need to do and how to do it and if I can't answer something I know someone who can.
Basically what are you trying to achieve? I can tell you This much, kingroot has gotta go if you want to do anything really cool or past very basic stuff...
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What does one need to do to root a Verizon Note 5? Why hasn't it been rooted yet?

Hello friends,
I'm in the same boat as many of you -- I purchased several Note 5's new from Verizon and then learned that they are not readily rootable....which prevents me from using their full functionality. Irritating.
I have a decent amount of experience with software development/reverse engineering/breaking things/making things work...but I've never messed around with phone firmware before. Usually I connect directly to the hardware chips via JTAG or similar to dump/upload the modified images. I don't really want to crack these sealed phones open though... surely there must be a way to dump/image the phone via the data port? I've read that Note 5 for other carriers are rootable, so how does dumping/uploading bins work for them? What is different about Verizon's model? Are they requiring digitally signed bins? Also I've seen a few people mention Knox....if Knox is tripped does it blow a fuse or can it be reset?
Thx
A

Samsung Knox gets tripped and effectively bricks the device the second it detects root. It blows a fuse. Dead phone.

If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def dont miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i ve stuck with verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, havent had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who dont want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldnt hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..

DaRkL3AD3R said:
Samsung Knox gets tripped and effectively bricks the device the second it detects root. It blows a fuse. Dead phone.
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Nah it doesn't brick the phone! That's just to scare the crap out of people and make them not even want to risk it period!
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ars0n said:
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def dont miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i ve stuck with verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, havent had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who dont want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldnt hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
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Lol.. I was gonna say hmm, what should one do... HmMmm ... How about read around the the Verizon thread?! Because all those questions have already been answered!

ars0n said:
If you have to ask this question then rooting is not something you need! =D Coming from rooting every phone for the past 5 years, I haven't had a need to root this phone. Granted there are a few things NOT working because of Verizon nit picking hsit in the build. Fonts not working for one, nothing that is really a deal breaker. I def don't miss the flashing of builds every week/month, keeping things updated and waiting on developers. Google is smart enough to listen to its consumers and for the most part every new build of android has vast improvements and functionality.. rooting for the most part will be so that you can control the hardware and do whatever you want with your phone, which I believe that is how it should be...i've stuck with Verizon because of the quality of service they provide. Awesome speeds, damn near accessible everywhere, haven't had a dropped call in YEARS. But from a tech standpoint, they are a bit ridiculous when it comes to their hardware. I hope they release a line of phones that are rootable and still keep a "protected" option for those who don't want phones that can be tampered with by rooting, security issues, etc.. who knows.. but i wouldn't hold your breath waiting on root for this phone.. best bet is the note 7 coming out and hope a root is found.. but, I imagine its going to just get harder and harder for developers with encryption and new securities..
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I understand and agree about the flashing and dealing with the bugs on new roms. All I want is the ability to delete apps I don't want. I know debloaters are out there and they work and that's great and thanks to their developers. I think we are owned the freedom to delete what we don't want. It's like the cable companies sticking us with shows we never want or watch.

pbman1953 said:
I understand and agree about the flashing and dealing with the bugs on new roms. All I want is the ability to delete apps I don't want. I know debloaters are out there and they work and that's great and thanks to their developers. I think we are owned the freedom to delete what we don't want. It's like the cable companies sticking us with shows we never want or watch.
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I used to feel that way. I used to root every phone I got (if I could) just so I could use Titanium backup to first disable apps and then if I had no problems, uninstall them. Bu with my Note 5 I've concluded it would be a waste of time, even if I could do it. I use Package Disabler Pro (as do many on this forum) and no, it doesn't actually delete apps. They are still there taking up space. but they don't run and unless you are critically short of space, the actual space they consume is minimal. My only complaint against Pakcage Disabler is that I wish it worked on my Asus tablet. but alas, it only woks on Samsung devices.

ratman6161 said:
I used to feel that way. I used to root every phone I got (if I could) just so I could use Titanium backup to first disable apps and then if I had no problems, uninstall them. Bu with my Note 5 I've concluded it would be a waste of time, even if I could do it. I use Package Disabler Pro (as do many on this forum) and no, it doesn't actually delete apps. They are still there taking up space. but they don't run and unless you are critically short of space, the actual space they consume is minimal. My only complaint against Pakcage Disabler is that I wish it worked on my Asus tablet. but alas, it only woks on Samsung devices.
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Has anyone compared Package Disabler to Debloater?

Yeah, Package Disabler is the way to go (IMO). You don't need a computer as with Debloater. Don't get me wrong, Debloater is great, but it's nice being able to disable apps on the go. Not to mention, Package Disabler allows you to export your lists of disabled apps to an XML file, so you can simply import the list back if you need to (say, after a factory reset). Just my thoughts.
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So I guess both are good. I wish there am was a place or apply tell you if you needed certain apps or not.

pbman1953 said:
So I guess both are good. I wish there am was a place or apply tell you if you needed certain apps or not.
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Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon

[email protected] said:
Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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It's not rooted yet. There is something in the works, but nothing yet. We haven't given up yet.

[email protected] said:
Has anyone Hurd about rooting on the Verizon note 5 I've been reading and can't find much, is it possible to root yet. Sorry if it's been asked I'm completely new to Verizon
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no root buddy if ure on mm mm requires bootloader unlock to root and between att and verizon they have the tightest locked bootloader of them all
i got rid of my note 5 but it was the first device that wasnt make or break over root like other posters said get s package disabler and ure good

TheMadScientist420 said:
no root buddy if ure on mm mm requires bootloader unlock to root and between att and verizon they have the tightest locked bootloader of them all
i got rid of my note 5 but it was the first device that wasnt make or break over root like other posters said get s package disabler and ure good
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What's a package disabler

[email protected] said:
What's a package disabler
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it disables all the bloatware on ure note 5 even without root saves loads of battery and speeds up the device in my opinion
this one works by being a device administrator and it lets u disable tons more stuff than in the standard application manager on the device

TheMadScientist420 said:
it disables all the bloatware on ure note 5 even without root saves loads of battery and speeds up the device in my opinion
this one works by being a device administrator and it lets u disable tons more stuff than in the standard application manager on the device
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Could you point me in the right direction to get it, and will that allow me to root the phone

[email protected] said:
Could you point me in the right direction to get it, and will that allow me to root the phone
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there is no root for the verizon version yet things always change if ure looking to root find another device.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...m6g1sybczeFvN8Nq0-ekxg&bvm=bv.144224172,d.eWE
this is where ive always gotten is from

TheMadScientist420 said:
there is no root for the verizon version yet things always change if ure looking to root find another device.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...m6g1sybczeFvN8Nq0-ekxg&bvm=bv.144224172,d.eWE
this is where ive always gotten is from
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Thank you ill try it out

I soft bricked my Note 5 and then had problems flashing with ODIN. After I was able to flash though, the screen briefly showed an unlocked padlock. Is that typical? Is the bootloader rendered insecure when you upgrade for a brief window?

Question Is there a one click root method for Pixel phones?

Magisk seems to be the only way to root it for now even with OEM unlock function on with bootloader. I'm on android 13 and Pixel 7 Pro. Root methods like Kingroot seems to fail and be stuck at 1 %. But Magisk works fine.

Year 2015 is asking for their Kingroot back. lol
Rooting nowadays literally can't be easier. Install the magisk app, extract the init_boot.img from the ROM you wanna use/flash, patch init_boot.img inside the magisk app and flash that img in fastboot.

Take a look at PixelFlasher.

why would u want to use a one click root on a pixel pointless. pixelflasher is where its at.

Well for me, if any, it's not about one click root.
What i really long for is bootloader unlock & root without the need of PC. Lol,
just like in time when you can jailbreak iphone directly from browser. So easy that someone prank the apple stores, jailbreaking the whole display unit.

phyberlamer said:
why would u want to use a one click root on a pixel pointless. pixelflasher is where its at.
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someone obviously missed the entire DECADE we didn't need a cable to do anything unless it involved terminal commands.

UltimateGamer83 said:
Magisk seems to be the only way to root it for now even with OEM unlock function on with bootloader. I'm on android 13 and Pixel 7 Pro. Root methods like Kingroot seems to fail and be stuck at 1 %. But Magisk works fine.
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Because Kingroot was possible to use back then thanks to security holes in the system, which have been patched and locked down.

hp420 said:
someone obviously missed the entire DECADE we didn't need a cable to do anything unless it involved terminal commands.
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Your statement makes absolutely no sense. We didn't need a cable unless it involved terminal commands? That would be every single time this decade and the last. He was stating with Pixel Flasher it couldn't be any easier.

schmeggy929 said:
First off, don't be a douche.
Second, your statement makes absolutely no sense. We didn't need a cable unless it involved terminal commands? That would be every single time this decade and the last. He was stating with Pixel Flasher it couldn't be any easier.
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first off, do your homework.
second, we literally regressed in flashing. we used to have clockwork, cm recovery, twrp, etc...a million tetherless solutions. for a whole decade. i never needed a desktop computer to flash a phone until recently. but yeah.... pixel flasher is great .....at sucking.
i want my Nexus back Google. this Pixel line sucks.

hp420 said:
first off, do your homework.
second, we literally regressed in flashing. we used to have clockwork, cm recovery, twrp, etc...a million tetherless solutions. for a whole decade. i never needed a desktop computer to flash a phone until recently. but yeah.... pixel flasher is great .....at sucking.
i want my Nexus back Google. this Pixel line sucks.
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Pixelflasher is basically a 1-click method for rooting/updating your phone. It's the easiest thing in the world. For 2-clicks, you can flash a custom ROM.
So sorry that you need a computer to root. It's not 2013 anymore. Manufacturers do everything they can to prevent the very thing you want to do. If it's too much of an issue to do what it takes to Root your phone, then don't root it. My Pixel 6 Pro was never rooted, It worked fine. It did everything I needed it to do.
My Nexus 6 was rooted and customized like a muscle car. It also did everything I needed it to do. (I still have it, right in my desk)
If you have issues with Recovery - and I miss Clockwork Recovery big time (I only used TWRP on one device) see if you can get Joey Krim to come out of retirement and create a recovery for this phone. (I still have his recoveries on my Dev-host, actually).
The point is, things change. We don't have hard-key keyboards anymore. We don't have attached antennas anymore. Technology moves forward, not backwards and if we're going to be rebels and mod our phones, we can only go with what actually works.

HipKat said:
So sorry that you need a computer to root. It's not 2013 anymore.
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I know all of 2 people who own a desktop or laptop. Two. Like you said yourself....it's not 2013 anymore. 5 years ago I was finally able to ditch a computer, but now I should go spend like $400 so I can flash my phone???? Seriously, listen to this logic.
WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS FROM NEXUS. PIXELS STINK FOR MODDING.

hp420 said:
I know all of 2 people who own a desktop or laptop. Two. Like you said yourself....it's not 2013 anymore. 5 years ago I was finally able to ditch a computer, but now I should go spend like $400 so I can flash my phone???? Seriously, listen to this logic.
WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS FROM NEXUS. PIXELS SUCK FOR MODDING.
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I don't think Google screwed anyone. Google does things with the average user in mind (although that can open up another can of worms ) , not modders. The average user doesn't unlock their bootloader, doesn't root, doesn't mod, etc.. It's not Google's job to make things easier for modders.
Hell, I'm just thankful we can root at all.

Lughnasadh said:
I don't think Google screwed anyone. Google does things with the average user in mind (although that can open up another can of worms ) , not modders. The average user doesn't unlock their bootloader, doesn't root, doesn't mod, etc.. It's not Google's job to make things easier for modders.
Hell, I'm just thankful we can root at all.
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Correct. It's Google's job to make Android more secure, not easier to hack. SuperSU doesn't exist anymore so now we need to use a PC.
I believe you can still flash Magisk in TWRP by renaming the .apk to .zip to gain root, but unfortunately there's no TWRP versions for Android 13 yet.

Lughnasadh said:
I don't think Google screwed anyone. Google does things with the average user in mind (although that can open up another can of worms ) , not modders. The average user doesn't unlock their bootloader, doesn't root, doesn't mod, etc.. It's not Google's job to make things easier for modders.
Hell, I'm just thankful we can root at all.
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Nexus was specifically made as a reference Android device. Google ripped that away from us for a phone made for "the average user" in Pixel. My sentiment stands. We got shafted HARD! I love my p7. But I wanted a Nexus. It's really disappointing to see Google abandon us so much! We had it MADE with TWRP. We would have been better served with the Play suite of phones if they wanted user friendly...but they killed that too!!! Google kills EVERYTHING we love.

Someone doesn't seem to understand that the only reason those tools worked was because they relied on an OS that was full of security holes. Google just plugged those holes. It may be more inconvenient now than it used to be but it's much more secure for everyone.

EtherealRemnant said:
Someone doesn't seem to understand that the only reason those tools worked was because they relied on an OS that was full of security holes. Google just plugged those holes. It may be more inconvenient now than it used to be but it's much more secure for everyone.
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someone doesn't seem to understand not everyone cares about security over functionality. idk about you, but i've never had a single issue. not one. ever. going all the way back to 2009 with my first android. and if my count is correct i've had around 3 phones that were unrooted, and those were only because of encrypted bootloaders.
the only time any of my info ends up in the wrong hands is because of server security. has nothing to do with my phone. this is a linux device. NOTHING happens without permission anyway.

hp420 said:
someone doesn't seem to understand not everyone cares about security over functionality. idk about you, but i've never had a single issue. not one. ever. going all the way back to 2009 with my first android. and if my count is correct i've had around 3 phones that were unrooted, and those were only because of encrypted bootloaders.
the only time any of my info ends up in the wrong hands is because of server security. has nothing to do with my phone. this is a linux device. NOTHING happens without permission anyway.
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Your disinterest in security doesn't mean that 99%+ should have to suffer with an insecure OS just so that you're not inconvenienced when trying to mod your device.

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Your disinterest in security doesn't mean that 99%+ should have to suffer with an insecure OS just so that you're not inconvenienced when trying to mod your device.
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well maybe what i really want to see from a phone is : "iknowwhatamdoing" mode,
something like 'csrutil disable' or secureboot disable in mac/PC
and that toogle should be available from the device itself. Not by connecting to other device.
let the one that need full security to be on stock mode
and let anyone who know what they are doing, bypass any security mean.

otonieru said:
well maybe what i really want to see from a phone is : "iknowwhatamdoing" mode,
something like 'csrutil disable' or secureboot disable in mac/PC
and that toogle should be available from the device itself. Not by connecting to other device.
let the one that need full security to be on stock mode
and let anyone who know what they are doing, bypass any security mean.
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Giving the ability to bypass security just gives shady characters a shiny red target to figure out how to exploit. It would make no sense to allow this directly on the device.

hp420 said:
I know all of 2 people who own a desktop or laptop. Two. Like you said yourself....it's not 2013 anymore. 5 years ago I was finally able to ditch a computer, but now I should go spend like $400 so I can flash my phone???? Seriously, listen to this logic.
WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS FROM NEXUS. PIXELS SUCK FOR MODDING.
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No, they didn't because they never intended to have their phones rooted. If you want to break the rules, then pay the price.
Teenagers don't have computers anymore. Gaming alone is a multi-billion-dollar-a-year industry: Graphic Design/Web design, accounting, media servers, work force servers - all on computers or laptops.