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"Cheap" USB A to USB C Cables to work with your old chargers

I was asked in another thread for this link so I thought I'd share here for others since I'm sure we're all in the same boat here.
So like you, I have a billion USB-A cables and chargers around my house, work, friends', and the car. Since we're moving to USB-C connections, that means none of those will work. There's another thread in this forum that discusses an adapter, and that might be the best solution for you. But for me, I decided I just wanted to buy a handful of cheap cables that should work well enough until we have some good options that don't cost a ton of money.
With that mindset, I went looking and checked all of the usual places - Amazon, eBay, Monoprice, etc. While I did find some cheaper options, they all came with the haze of absolutely no idea if they would work well or not. However, I did find a 4-pack on Amazon for $20 of USB-A 2.0 male -> USB-C male cables (i.e. what you need to plug into your chargers you have all over the place yet while working with your new Nexus).
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013RMG5WY
I have no clue if these are good cables but they at least have 30 reviews with a 4.6/5.0 rating. That was enough for me to buy. Once I get my N6p in, I'll test them and compare them against what ships with the phone and let you all know how well they work. Until then, your guess is as good as mine but this was the best option I could find at this time.
Hopefully this is useful to somebody else until Anker, Choetech, or somebody else comes out with some higher quality cables at a low price!
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Wow, and multiple colors for that price too?
I'm sold, I was looking too but you did the final research for me. Thanks Jax!

This is tempting, I've been thinking about getting those for a few days now

Same price, all black http://www.ebay.com/itm/321859807320

Thanks for posting that. I saw those too but will wait in the hopes of finding 6 foot ones for around the same price. If anyone sees those, please post.

May be a dumb question but can this use the full potential of a 3A charger or would you need USB C at both ends?

there are several sellers on Aliexpress with cables around $2

I bought that 4 pack on amazon a few days ago and it's being shipped from the UK

FYI on that amazon link, the affiliate is probably not in the USA, based on this time on their detail page:
Continental US Street ETA 18 - 26 business days
I hate falling for this, but just wanted to point that out. But you'll probably get the cables before your shiny new 6P, so there's that! :good::good:

One plus makes nice cables if you want a flat one. I have a micro USB one that I use for traveling and its great. I might buy some of their cables if I can find them for a good price.

I was also browsing and found that Anker makes USB 3.0 to type-C cables, does that have any benefit for backups and data exchange between the phone and a computer?

Found this one on amazon for $5.45 with free prime shipping:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014J8QQT2

I believe it has to be type-c on both ends to get 3 amp charging. I think you can only get 2/3 charge rate max from a standard 4 pin cable.

@NCguy Nah it just has to be thick enough and rated for that much current

Could not for the life of me login through Chrome, had to use safari...
Anyway thoughts on this?
http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Cables-c-2894.html

I plan on phasing out my micro USB cables eventually, but in the meantime I figure the one that comes with it, plus 2 of these will get me by for now. Picture is a link to Amazon, $8 for two!

Those would be the same as these
Except for free shipping with no minimal order.
Just one thought. Are you sure it'd be just a matter of rating?
No "negotiation" involved between phone and charger before the phone would draw the current?
My guess would be that without "negotiation" the phone will only draw 2.1Amps (or less) tops.
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Alferboy said:
Those would be the same as these
Except for free shipping with no minimal order.
Just one thought. Are you sure it'd be just a matter of rating?
No "negotiation" involved between phone and charger before the phone would draw the current?
My guess would be that without "negotiation" the phone will only draw 2.1Amps (or less) tops.
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And when I say "negotiation" I mean one of:
- Some kind of ID pins (which give out charger capacity) - like VGA id pins
- One or more shorted pins on the C plug to indicate current capabilty - like Asus uses, shorting a pin at the chargers USB3 plug making it give out 12v instead of 5v
- Any other other kind
Or it just uses several C plug wires for + and other as much for - and that's it.
I've seen that, even for USB2,type micro-B, different chargers make different things to the usb data pins, for instance (grounding, pulling-up) effectively with different outcome on outgoing current.
Cables that only have 2 wires will give out a different behaviour than those with 4 wires on these chargers.
For instance "charging on AC" vs "charging on USB" showing on battery monitor (or looking at the kernel values in /proc)
I have a "China Charger" with 2 outlets "for SAM" and "for IPAD" with very different results depending on the cable and device I connect there.
And I know both will output up to 2.1A (or perhaps even more), that's for sure.
My old SamSung DUOS would only charge if the charger "wasn't able" to provide more than 1Amp, for instance. Had another dual car-charger and would plug it to one of the outlets and nothing. As soon as I plugged something into the other (limiting the max current available) it'd start charging.
So there's a lot to it to be cleared on USB charging.
Anybody with some bright know-how?

Pilz said:
One plus makes nice cables if you want a flat one. I have a micro USB one that I use for traveling and its great. I might buy some of their cables if I can find them for a good price.
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The best thing about the One Plus cables are that the Type-A end is reversible too! They're a little more expensive than some of the other cables listed in this thread, but that convenience alone made it worthwhile to me.

I got some of these
Comes with a 24 month warranty

jt3 said:
The best thing about the One Plus cables are that the Type-A end is reversible too! They're a little more expensive than some of the other cables listed in this thread, but that convenience alone made it worthwhile to me.
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The only downside is that they are limited to 2.4A but I'll manage with that as a backup. I need to stock up on cables so I'm buying a variety of them including the OP ones I've already ordered.

Confirmed Rapid Charging Combo (MBP + Techmatte USB-C Cable)

So i can confirm that the following combo works for rapid charging on this phone.
Please delete this if a thread like this exists already
my combo is my Macbook Pro Retina 13" from 2013 (i think). it has USB 3.0
Techmatte USB-C to USB-A, 5FT
http://smile.amazon.com/TechMatte®-...8&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=techmatte+usb+c&psc=1
the phone registers as rapid charging.
Check out the Ampere screenshot as well
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I haven't seen a laptop let alone a MB that supports 2-3A on a dedicated/non dedicated charging USB port. I could very well be wrong but we need a picture of the phone plugged into the laptop to prove that rather than a screenshot. I'm not saying you're not correct but we need better evidence to confirm it

I concur with his findings. I plugged an A to C cable I bought off amazon into my 2012 MBP and it registered as rapidly charging as well but I didn't test the speed in ampere as I figured it was wrong lol.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

toyanucci said:
I concur with his findings. I plugged an A to C cable I bought off amazon into my 2012 MBP and it registered as rapidly charging as well but I didn't test the speed in ampere as I figured it was wrong lol.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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I used to have a MB Pro as well (2011?) and it never fast charged my phone at the time. I have long since moved on to a PC (that was my only mac ever) and since I don't use it to charge my phone I couldn't tell you whether its just a MB thing.

Anything over 2000mA shows as rapidly charging. 2000mA is 2/3rd the charging rate of the oem type-c charger. Make of that what you will.

Pilz said:
I used to have a MB Pro as well (2011?) and it never fast charged my phone at the time. I have long since moved on to a PC (that was my only mac ever) and since I don't use it to charge my phone I couldn't tell you whether its just a MB thing.
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You're right. My MBP doesn't charge even my regular samsung devices fast so idk how the 6P shows rapid charge.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

toyanucci said:
You're right. My MBP doesn't charge even my regular samsung devices fast so idk how the 6P shows rapid charge.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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I thought I was crazy for a minute because I had a s3/Note 3 when I had my MB Pro and they never charged faster. I'm glad you can substantiate that since I no longer have a Samsung phone or MB.

Read all of the information written by Benson Leung and co. An improperly made A->C cable will register as rapid charging because the wrong resistors are in the cable and allows the device to try to pull more amperage from the USB port than USB Type A is meant to handle. You shouldn't try to do this, it's going to damage your USB ports on your devices, or make your chargers burn up.
USB Type A cannot rapid charge a Nexus 6P without it defying the specifications for USB Type A and potentially damaging your charging source. If you have a cable that does this, you should not do it.
Only rapid charging from C -> C cables is safe.

smeggysmeg said:
Read all of the information written by Benson Leung and co. An improperly made A->C cable will register as rapid charging because the wrong resistors are in the cable and allows the device to try to pull more amperage from the USB port than USB Type A is meant to handle. You shouldn't try to do this, it's going to damage your USB ports on your devices, or make your chargers burn up.
USB Type A cannot rapid charge a Nexus 6P without it defying the specifications for USB Type A and potentially damaging your charging source. If you have a cable that does this, you should not do it.
Only rapid charging from C -> C cables is safe.
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Read Leung's reviews again!
He is correct that the cables he is reviewing have the wrong pull-up resistor according to the specs.
However, any potential negative consequences (never confirmed in his tests, just a possibility) are confined to the Chromebook Pixel and what it might do in a situation faced with this cable. It tells us nothing about any other product.
He has recently dropped the scare tactics and now limits his remarks to the failure of the cable to charge the Pixel.
"Specifically, these adapters do not charge the Chromebook Pixel 2015 because the adapters leave the C-C lines floating, where the specification requires a Rp pullup to Vbus to identify the cable as a legacy adapter or cable."
You can safely get more than 2A to the 6P via a Type A to Type C connection. Therefore, you will be (in Google's estimation) "Charging Rapidly". It generally takes an out of spec cable and specific chargers. The easiest way is the Google Chargers that are Type C however. But there are no Type C 5V/3A car chargers available yet. The closest we have seen is the Tronsmart Car charger that has been shown to deliver 2.7A to the Nexus 6P, but will not charge a Chromebook Pixel 2015 because it does not have the correct pullup resistor.

dwswager said:
Read Leung's reviews again!
He is correct that the cables he is reviewing have the wrong pull-up resistor according to the specs.
However, any potential negative consequences (never confirmed in his tests, just a possibility) are confined to the Chromebook Pixel and what it might do in a situation faced with this cable. It tells us nothing about any other product.
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It absolutely is NOT confined to the Pixel. The video posted here proves it. Any device capable of pulling more current than the charger is rated to supply will pose this problem.
dwswager said:
He has recently dropped the scare tactics and now limits his remarks to the failure of the cable to charge the Pixel.
"Specifically, these adapters do not charge the Chromebook Pixel 2015 because the adapters leave the C-C lines floating, where the specification requires a Rp pullup to Vbus to identify the cable as a legacy adapter or cable."
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Scare tactics? He's informing consumers of an out of specification product which could be harmful. Including more information on the specifics of how he tested this isn't "dropping" a scare tactic.
dwswager said:
It generally takes an out of spec cable and specific chargers.
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Slightly misleading: Any charging current over (approx) 2.0A will show as rapidly charging, which can be accomplished with in-specification and out-of-specification cables.
dwswager said:
The closest we have seen is the Tronsmart Car charger that has been shown to deliver 2.7A to the Nexus 6P, but will not charge a Chromebook Pixel 2015 because it does not have the correct pullup resistor.
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Which demonstrates that the device is unsafe. It's rated for 2.4A, the Nexus 6p pulls 2.7A. The device is not not greatly exceeding it's own rated output, but it is still exceeding the rated output. The Pixel, being able to draw far more current, browned out the charger altogether.

Elnrik said:
It absolutely is NOT confined to the Pixel. The video posted here proves it. Any device capable of pulling more current than the charger is rated to supply will pose this problem.
Scare tactics? He's informing consumers of an out of specification product which could be harmful. Including more information on the specifics of how he tested this isn't "dropping" a scare tactic.
Slightly misleading: Any charging current over (approx) 2.0A will show as rapidly charging, which can be accomplished with in-specification and out-of-specification cables.
Which demonstrates that the device is unsafe. It's rated for 2.4A, the Nexus 6p pulls 2.7A. The device is not not greatly exceeding it's own rated output, but it is still exceeding the rated output. The Pixel, being able to draw far more current, browned out the charger altogether.
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1. Considering that Leung's points are that the "out of spec" cable can lead to fires and won't charge a Pixel, if the video doesn't show a charger fire and it shows charging of other devices, then it is confined to the Pixel!
2. His real point is that a Pixel 2015 will not charge from a cable with the wrong pull-up resistor. He threw in the charger fire issue to get attention and it worked. That is all anyone discussed.
3. Yes, it can be achieved with in spec cables, but what we are really hoping for is greater than 2.4A from Type A to Type C chargers and cables and that should not happen with in spec cables.
4. It's called margin. Tronsmart has said that it is designed to output 2.7A so that within quality limits, no unit will output less than 2.4A. And that means some lucky guys will get the ones at the other end that will output more significantly more than 2.7A. It would only be unsafe if the overcurrent or over temperature protection circuits allow the device to run over capacity. The rating is the least it should do.

Rapid charging displayed on the phone does NOT indicate more than 2000ma charging. My video proves this, the phone shows "rapid charging" using the cable with the incorrect pull-up resistor even when it is hooked up to a charger that is putting out significantly less than 1 amp. The rapid charging message seems to indicate only that the phone *believes* it is hooked up to a 3-amp, type-C charger.
For the original poster, a 2013 Macbook Pro supposedly will output a regulated 900mah to non-apple devices and 1100mah to apple devices (ipad etc). If you are succesfully getting 2000+ma out of it I suspect that either you are somehow pushing the ports well beyond safe limits (which shouldn't be possible), or there is a measurement error using the "Ampere" software.

dwswager said:
But there are no Type C 5V/3A car chargers available yet.
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that's not true, the vinsic is rated 5w/3a and I can pull that either via the type a or c port. tested with ampere on both the 5x and 6p

ackattacker said:
Rapid charging displayed on the phone does NOT indicate more than 2000ma charging. My video proves this, the phone shows "rapid charging" using the cable with the incorrect pull-up resistor even when it is hooked up to a charger that is putting out significantly less than 1 amp. The rapid charging message seems to indicate only that the phone *believes* it is hooked up to a 3-amp, type-C charger.
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That is extremely good information to have. It supports using some method of monitoring charging beyond the stock charging notifications.

kellybrf said:
that's not true, the vinsic is rated 5w/3a and I can pull that either via the type a or c port. tested with ampere on both the 5x and 6p
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Cool. That's the first I seen of a car charger that can output 3A. Seems this is badged under a number of different brands and other had reported those other brand can't get to 3A. I'm assuming you are talking about this Vinsic.
It is a shame it is not 5.4A so you could use both ports simultaneously and still get 3A out to the 6P. They will come...I hope!
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Rapid charging displayed on the phone does NOT indicate more than 2000ma charging. My video proves this, the phone shows "rapid charging" using the cable with the incorrect pull-up resistor even when it is hooked up to a charger that is putting out significantly less than 1 amp. The rapid charging message seems to indicate only that the phone *believes* it is hooked up to a 3-amp, type-C charger
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That matches my experience too. And considering there is no fast charging technology employed in the Nexus phones, it makes sense that it is based on what the phone thinks the charger supply.

[SPAM] rapid charger that actually works for the Nexus 6p!!

Just like everyone else I've been searching for a good aftermarket charger for my phone. I purchased the Choetech rapid adapter along with the cable (sold separately) and it works beautifully.. The Nexus 6p shows rapid charging on the home screen and Ampere showed the same.
How does that compare to the OEM charger that came with the Nexus 6p? The OEM charger charged at 2920ma, while the Choetech adapter and cable charged at 2840ma. So as you can see it's right on par with the OEM charger.
Build Quality:
The build quality is exactly what you expect to received from Choetech. The body of the charger is similar to the OEM charger with smooth sides and flat top and bottom. There's branding on the the front as you see in the pictures, with specifications information next to the electrical prongs. As for the cable there's more Choetech branding on each end, but it's not intrusive and blends in with the cable. The cable material is thick which is a very good thing, as it should be able to provide adequate power and durability. I'm very happy with this cable and plan to buy another soon. Here's my setup and I did a quick video review as well. Be warned I've read reviews showing that some users received a 2.4v model only... If you watch my videos you will clearly see my charger says 3A/5V and it charges at that speed.
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The quality on this cable is durable. It does pull 3A, as described, without any issues. charged my phone from 17% to 100% in
1 hour 20 min. It charges just as fast as google's provided cable.
and for the USB type-A to type C cable is also reliable. Checkr app tested and confirmed it is safe for the 2.4A (slower)rapid
charging if the power adapter can support upto 2.4A.
I will recommend this to anyone who wants a spare cable for USB-C just like me. leave one at home, and take this with me
anywhere I go to charge the device.
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Is it just me or does that cable appear to struggle to charge as well as OEM? Your comparison graph shows the goggle cable working consistently better and the choetech cable never reaching the current the oem cable does.
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conceyted said:
Is it just me or does that cable appear to struggle to charge as well as OEM? Your comparison graph shows the goggle cable working consistently better and the choetech cable never reaching the current the oem cable does.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Well, if you see the graph more closely my phone had less battery percentage for the Google's cable. I believe hungrier the battery, faster it takes. You will never see full capacity current draw at higher battery percentage.

I just bought this USB-C charger with CC cable.
It's on it's way...can't wait to test it.

You also need to make sure you order the updated version. The first version didn't comply with type c standards.

Might just go with the one on the Google website now, since it's only a few dollars more and it'll probably ship faster. Amazon says it'll arrive after Christmas now.

2swizzle said:
You also need to make sure you order the updated version. The first version didn't comply with type c standards.
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What are you talking about? There's only one version. I was the first one on this forum to get it (as far as I know) and it works just like the Google charger.
Sent from my LG-v410 using Tapatalk

sharpehenry said:
The quality on this cable is durable. It does pull 3A, as described, without any issues. charged my phone from 17% to 100% in
1 hour 20 min. It charges just as fast as google's provided cable.
and for the USB type-A to type C cable is also reliable. Checkr app tested and confirmed it is safe for the 2.4A (slower)rapid
charging if the power adapter can support upto 2.4A.
I will recommend this to anyone who wants a spare cable for USB-C just like me. leave one at home, and take this with me
anywhere I go to charge the device.
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So you're saying the cable for sure goes up to 2.4A? Your pictures aren't showing up - just wanted to make sure.
I asked about USB-A to C before and someone was very adamant in saying, "The USB standard for an in spec Type A to C cable will charge at 1.5A. "

What does Benson Leung say about this product?
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trama09 said:
So you're saying the cable for sure goes up to 2.4A? You're pictures aren't showing up - just wanted to make sure.
I asked about USB-A to C before and someone was very adamant in saying, "The USB standard for an in spec Type A to C cable will charge at 1.5A. "
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I don't have quick charger 2.0 brick or equivalent. The most I got is a Samsung brick that goes 2A at the most and I did get near that. When I get a hand on better adapter, I will test it out.

For 3A fast charging speeds, USB C Charger with CC cable is the only way
Well, I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C reaches only 2.4A at maximum, no matter what wall charger you use. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
I purchased and tried their USB C wall charger with C to C cable. I wasn't disappointed. They are well built and work fine ... at almost the same fast speed as the OEM Charger.

Subiegsr said:
Might just go with the one on the Google website now, since it's only a few dollars more and it'll probably ship faster. Amazon says it'll arrive after Christmas now.
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I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.

plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Ah didn't think about that. Good call!

plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Odd.. do you mean the model you've got has the cable connected to the charger (i.e not removable)? The international edition (H1512) I got in Hong Kong while travelling is detachable and is type C on either end. I didnt' realize there were variations with the included accessories.

plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Agreed, wires do likely wear faster. But should you expect either to go bad in less than a couple of years if handled reasonably?

st8chic said:
Well, I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C reaches only 2.4A at maximum, no matter what wall charger you use. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
I purchased and tried their USB C wall charger with C to C cable. I wasn't disappointed. They are well built and work fine ... at almost the same fast speed as the OEM Charger.
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Using a physical power meter I've verified that the Nexus 6P will only charge at 1.5A at 5V with standard 2A/2.4A chargers (I've tried 3-4 different USB A chargers). These are far more accurate than ampere as ampere measures net current, current in minus consumed current, not just the incoming current from the charger.
I'm not aware of a physical device that measures power through a type C cable other than the twinkie device that benson mentions and is several hundred dollars.

jpbl1976 said:
Odd.. do you mean the model you've got has the cable connected to the charger (i.e not removable)? The international edition (H1512) I got in Hong Kong while travelling is detachable and is type C on either end. I didnt' realize there were variations with the included accessories.
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I think he/she is referring to the extra one you buy from the accessories on the Google 6p site. The one included is a removable USB C-C cord.

NCguy said:
Agreed, wires do likely wear faster. But should you expect either to go bad in less than a couple of years if handled reasonably?
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Yes.....sooner or later you will probably have to replace both. I had good luck with all of my samsung charging blocks never had to replace any of them
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Subiegsr said:
I think he/she is referring to the extra one you buy from the accessories on the Google 6p site. The one included is a removable USB C-C cord.
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Correct subiegsr I was talking about the Google store ones

ylexot said:
What are you talking about? There's only one version. I was the first one on this forum to get it (as far as I know) and it works just like the Google charger.
Sent from my LG-v410 using Tapatalk
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If you read the Amazon comments so people where saying they received a different model than the one I've reviewed. As for fast charging with the Choetech after day 3 I still have no issues. It charges my phone from 1% to 100% in around 90 minutes.

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DUAL USB PORT: One USB Type C Port that supports up to 5V 3A. Also included one USB-A Port with smart auto detect technology which charges up to 5V 2.4A maximum for other non Type C devices.
RAPID RECHARGE: Even with a huge 10000mAh battery, It only takes 3.5 hours with a compatible 5v 3A Type C Charger.
TYPE C Compatible devices: Google Nexus 6P/ 5X, Apple New Macbook (2015) 12 inches, Microsoft Lumia 950/950 XL, OnePlus 2, Google Chromebook Pixel.
WHAT YOU GET: iVoler TYPE C Power Bank, One USB-A to USB-C Charging Cable (with 56K ohm resistor which is compatible with any old USB Charger), One USB-C to C Charging Cable.
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Tests:
I used the App Ampere for the tests in order to have a good guess, if this Power Bank can actually deliver what it promises.
I was able to charge my Nexus 6P with a current of about 3000mA (=3A) which is what you would expect from a regular Type C charger too.
It seems that this device can deliver what <MODERATOR EDITED - SPAM LINK REMOVED> mentions in the descriptions.
I also tried this Power Bank with my old Nexus 5 (2013) and a Fenix UC30 LED Flashlight and everything worked out fine.
My Power Bank uses blue LEDs instead of green LEDs.
I´m happy with this Power Bank. It is small enough to fit in every pocket and still has enough juice for my needs. It is able to replace a USB Type C charger in terms of charging speed which is awesome.
I will need a few more tests in order to check the efficiency but for now it seems that the values of 85% for USB Type C and 88% for USB seem to be realistic.
You should be able to fully charge a Nexus 6P about 2x with one full Power Bank. You can charge this Power Bank very fast too by using your USB Type C charger
Did you make similar experiences too ?

1. Update : No problems so far with the charging of devices. The power bank doesn't heat up while charging my devices.

2. Update: Still no problems with charging the phones. I will have a total % of Nexus 6P charges soon

Ok guys, I think I can present the test results
If you fully charge this Power Bank and ONLY use it to check the capacity from time to time ( short press on the power button, long press to shut this power bank off again ) and charge a Nexus 6P only, you can get about 190% of charge until this device will shut off and discharge completely. This value can be slightly higher or lower, depending on how much you fiddle around but let´s assume that 190% should be something everybody could obtain for now. Let´s ignore some measure errors and tolerances since this approximation should be realistic enough.
190% of Nexus 6P Battery = 6555mAh of usable capacity which is a very good value for this power bank.
It seems that the efficiency of this power bank is quite high if we look at it from this perspective.
Assuming that this device uses Battery Cells with these values: 10000mAh * 3,7V = 37Wh ---> 37Wh / 5V = 7,4Ah --> 7400mAh capacity which could be used in theory if we had a efficiency of 100% ( which ofc is not possible since these Battery Cells also feed the charging circuit which also has some losses too. ).
Now let´s have a look at the 190% of the Nexus 6P charge again: 1,9 * 3450mAh = 6555 mAh of usable capacity until the power bank is fully discharged and shuts off.
6555 mAh / 7400 mAh = 0,8859 --> 88,6% efficiency.
It seems that the USB Type C output is very good but you have to consider that my tests might not be 100% precise but good enough to check if this power bank really works the way it should. I think that it´s worth the spending and iVoler didn´t promise too much
In conclusion: This Power Bank can charge a Nexus 6P nearly 2x which is a good value. It is small enough to fit in every pocket and doesn´t weigh a lot which makes it a great companion

The only thing keeping me from buying this is the aesthetics... It's not that good looking imho. I have an anker astro e4 2nd gen and it charges the 6P really slowly, but the only anker alternative is a massive 20100mah battery
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Well, the looks of some gadgets might be important too but I´m not the guy who cares too much about them The looks of this Power Bank are ok in my eyes, not too fancy but also nothing I would consider as "ugly" or "cheap looking".
One thing to consider is that the capacity mentioned by the manufacturers is only the capacity of the built in Battery Cells; not the 100% capacity you will use for charging devices only since the charging circuit also needs some of the juice in order to work
Let´s assume that a cheap and random Power Bank might claim to have a capacity of 34500 mAh. One customer might think that this capacity divided through the capacity of the built in phone battery might equal the amount of charges ? In this case you could charge a Nexus 6P about 10x ?
Not this time The cells used have a voltage of 3,7V most the time.
One short approximation might be to have a look at the power first: 34500mA * 3,7V = 127,65W
This is the power you could achieve from the used Battery Cells. Now we need to consider that we don´t use a voltage of 3,7V for the USB ports but 5V instead which requires a circuit to transform the 3,7V up to 5V ( most the time through a step up converter circuit ).
127,65W / 5V = 25,53A which could be translated into 25530mAh if we can transform the power from the Battery Cells without any losses ( 100% efficiency which is impossible ).
Now let´s assume that one cheap and random Power Bank might work at a efficiency of 75%: 0,75 * 25530mAh = 19147,5mAh
Roughly you would get a usable capacity of 19147,5mAh: 19147,5mAh / 3450mAh = 5,55x
That´s the tricky part with most power banks. And I admit that it´s rather tough to find a smaller Power Bank which is not too big and still fits in a pocket while also being able to use a modern USB Type C output. Other Power Banks have a greater capacity but also cost more and are not very small.
I guess that not everybody is willing to carry a large Power Bank in his pants...if he even manages to fit such a brick inside These huge Power Banks are great for longer journeys though if you carry them in a backpack anyway.

Quick Charge 4 - Hardware questions and availability

Since there is still such a limited amount of phones with QC4+, I wanted to see if anyone had information about the accessory availability and compatibility of products like cables, car adaptors, etc.
After searching around, I can't find a car adaptor or portable charger (power bank) anywhere that is actually approved as QC4+.
Qualcomm's website shows that my QC3 stuff from my other phones/tablet is backward compatible, however, it does not clearly state that "compatible" will be charging at QC4+ speeds. My assumption is no since QC3 had max power around 18W and QC4+ is about 27W.
Can anyone share a little more information in simple terms so I can understand a bit more?
Will my current QC3 cables work without issue?
What is the minimum USB spec required on PC to work?
Will any USB-PD charging products/accessories work on the U12+?
Where (and when) can I find accessories like car adaptors, banks, cables, etc.
Thank you for your help!

There is a HAMA wall and a car charger which is approved and listed on the HAMA homepage. Bit it hasn't been released yet, as I found out. So no equipment yet. That's why HTC still has a QC 3.0 charger in box I guess.
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Why in the world would it ship with a qc3 charger/cable? I am just dumbfounded by this one.

MNoisy said:
Why in the world would it ship with a qc3 charger/cable? I am just dumbfounded by this one.
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Most likely because they already have them in stock? It's already faster than most people upgrade from, at least my U12+ got up to almost full in less than hour.
Here's the QC 4.0 charger I'm considering ordering (want to check first if it's indeed certified before I order it): https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Tenke.../dp/B0789F6FNG

I am guessing that my qc3 cables won't work with qc4 at all then since they have a max of 20v. Frustrating since I just bought a set of cables!
Based on my limited research, it looks like the new PD standard will work with QC4. Androidpit says
"Quick Charge 4 is compatible with Power Delivery, which raises the question of what Quick Charge 4 brings to the table. Power Delivery is already proficient in technologies for negotiating current and voltage. Qualcomm’s Quick Charge 4 can intervene to take control with regard to the device’s so-called thermal budget; in other words: It makes sure that the smartphone does not get too hot when charging. The fact that Quick Charge and PD can co-exist is due to the fact that Power Delivery is solely a protocol for negotiating voltage and current. Quick Charge 4 has simply learned to speak this language, but does the same thing as Quick Charge 3 with a few upgrades. Thus, QC4 is exclusive to Type-C."
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If anyone eventually gets there phone and can try a PD3 charger or cables they have around, let us know if it works!

QC4.0 brings faster charging/lower charge time to the table, specifically for Qualcomm SoCs.
PD3.0 only provides more information, as PD3.0 and PD2.0 are exactly the same as far as voltage/cable/etc go:
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QC4.0 brings faster charging/lower charge time to the table, specifically for Qualcomm SoCs.
PD3.0 only provides more information, as PD3.0 and PD2.0 are exactly the same as far as voltage/cable/etc go:
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So PD will work over any USB 3 cable or do they have specific data channels proprietary to the USB cable?

MNoisy said:
I am guessing that my qc3 cables won't work with qc4 at all then since they have a max of 20v. Frustrating since I just bought a set of cables!
Based on my limited research, it looks like the new PD standard will work with QC4. Androidpit says
If anyone eventually gets there phone and can try a PD3 charger or cables they have around, let us know if it works!
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I have USB-PD at both work and home, so you can bet I'll be giving it a go. I'd much rather use USB-PD chargers that I already have than have to buy specialized chargers and cables for QC3/4.

OGhoul said:
I have USB-PD at both work and home, so you can bet I'll be giving it a go. I'd much rather use USB-PD chargers that I already have than have to buy specialized chargers and cables for QC3/4.
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Awesome, thank you! Are you in on the preorder to test early?

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Awesome, thank you! Are you in on the preorder to test early?
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Unfortunately no. My ship date is in July, however my order already says Boxes Shippment.

Curious, did the Razer Phone not ship with a Quick Charge 4 adapter? I remember there was controversy over this. I would think that would be an easy solution for finding an AC adapter.

HTC U12 Plus and QC4+...how???!!!
I have the HTC U12 Plus which is supposed to support QC4+. I purchased the Razer wall charger because it is Qualcomm certified and has QC4+ stamped right on the bottom. I didn't know that I needed a USB c to c cable and according to Qualcomm's website it states that any USB c to c cable will work. I purchased the Amazon Basic c to c cable ($3.99) and the Belkin F2CU030bt1M-BLK and I can't notice a difference in speed using either cable vs using the QC3 charger that came in the box. I tried running a 20%-100% test and came up with a nearly identical time. Does anyone have any information on what I might be doing wrong or how I can get this sang QC4+to work?????? Thank you very much.

The cable has to be capable of the high power output as well, otherwise it'll throttle to the mentioned QC 3.0 speeds. May e that's why the potential cable provided by Razer is that expensive as well.
Sent from my HTC U12+ using XDA Labs

My apologies for not returning to this thread sooner. I've been using my Anker USB-PD charger with one of their massively thick, USB-C to USB-C PD-compliant cable, and it is been fantastic. Charging times are quite fast.
USB C Wall Charger, Anker Premium 60W 5-Port Desktop Charger with One 30W Power Delivery Port for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X/6P, and 4 PowerIQ Ports for iPhone, iPad, and More
Anker PowerLine USB-C to USB-C 3.1 Gen 1 Cable (3ft) with Power Delivery for USB Type-C Devices Including Galaxy S8, S8+, S9, Google Pixel, Nexus 6P, Huawei Matebook, MacBook and More

Anker USB C
So with the aforementioned Anker USB C cable you believe that you're achieving QC4+ speeds? If that's the case, I will purchase it immediately. It annoys me that it clearly states on Qualcomm's website that any USB C to C will work to achieve 4+ charging speeds. Thank you very much for the information!
Here is a list of certified 4+ wall chargers. I can only find the Razer anywhere.
• Ever Win car charger (VP4plus)*
• Ever Win wall charger (TC4Plus)*
• Portway Wall Charger (PTL-27WPDQ4)*
• Razer Phone Power Adapter*
* Supports Quick Charge 4+

B!RD said:
So with the aforementioned Anker USB C cable you believe that you're achieving QC4+ speeds? If that's the case, I will purchase it immediately. It annoys me that it clearly states on Qualcomm's website that any USB C to C will work to achieve 4+ charging speeds. Thank you very much for the information!
Here is a list of certified 4+ wall chargers. I can only find the Razer anywhere.
• Ever Win car charger (VP4plus)*
• Ever Win wall charger (TC4Plus)*
• Portway Wall Charger (PTL-27WPDQ4)*
• Razer Phone Power Adapter*
* Supports Quick Charge 4+
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I honestly have no way of comparing USB-PD speeds to QC4.0. I don't have a QC4.0 charger and at this point, it doesn't make a lot of sense to get one. Other than the handful of Anker QC3.0 chargers that I have to power their Power Wave wireless charging pads, all of my devices (iPhone, iPad, U12+, my gf's Essential, Apple TV remotes...) all use or can use USB-PD.
I can say though that I topped up from 75% to 100% in well under half an hour (while I was showering and getting ready for work this morning).
So the Razer charger is QC4.0 certified? I don't want to sound brand discriminatory (even if I actually am), but the Razer charger would be the only one I'd consider buying, especially given my environment (Apple devices have been very temperamental with sketchy chargers and cables), because I've used Razer products and am familiar with the brand and build quality.

Yes Indeed
Yes it is QC4+ certified on Qualcomm's website. I don't know what to do...keep the Razer or try this TENKER that just arrived.

HTC/Ever Win/Razer
I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. ? I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.

B!RD said:
I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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What are the QC4+ speeds supposed to be?
I've looked at Razor's page and it doesn't show anything in the description on the charger.
Amazon has it for sale, and it does have a description on there. This is what it in the description for the speed:
"Our 24 Watt charger with Qualcomm quick charge 4.0+ is designed for Ultra fast charging. Go from zero to fifty percent in just 40 minutes."
Is that inline for what speeds you are getting on the U12+?

B!RD said:
I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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This may sound silly, so forgive me. But have you tried the cable that Razer shipped as well?
Otherwise my only advice is to go the USB-PD route.