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Hello all
I'm trying to understand the actual meaning behind the the Quick Charge 2.0
Let's start with the cable:
The only parameter is the AWG ( as I read the recommendtions are for 3 feet (1 meter) is 24/28 wire gauge) ?
There is no special chip or support by the cable (as apple has the MFI for their cables)?
I had good experience the original LG cable (the one that comes with G2,G3,G4) , and Nillkin Cable Universal Flat Micro USB .
Other recommends are for Monoprice cables...
Any other good recommendations ?
What is the recommend AWG for 6 feet? any good cables you know?
Let's go to the charger:
Does it's really matter if the charger marked as "quick charge 2.0" certification ?
Did you get quick charge 2.0 results with charger that is not marked as quick charge 2.0, just by using charger that (really) outputs 2.1A ?
What is specs for a good charger ?
I know it's a lot of questions, but I know that you are kind
Thanks!!
Anyone?
Let's discuss what wall and car chargers you have been able to charge the phone with.
I haven't bought it yet, but the Tronsmart 33 watt dual charger for the car looks promising: https://goo.gl/a3vada
I have a Tronsmart quick charge 3.0 home charger right now, but I don't have my phone yet. When I'm able to test it, I'll let everyone know.
Of course, if you are going to use a USB A to USB C cable, make sure it isn't a cheap one. Apparently there are reports of bad cables that may short out.
A question I have is: Can we get the full use of the Turbocharge with a USB A to USB C cable? Or do we need to go straight USB C to USB C? ANSWER, according to @tea_dub84: Possible that you will need USB C to USB C cables to achieve fastest charging.
Some helpful information:
Discussion on charging: Moto Z Force's TurboPower™: QuickCharge or USB-PD?
Some people who have had luck with Turbocharging:
@blynkofaneye: Aukey Wall Charger, Aukey Car Charger
Chargers that do NOT turbocharge:
@hbar98: Quick Charge 3.0, CHOETECH 6-Port USB Charging Station with 2 Qualcomm Quick Charge 3.0 Ports, USB A to C Cable and Charger Cradle for OnePlus 3 LG G5, Galaxy S6/S7/Edge, HTC 10, iPhone, iPad and More
hbar98 said:
I know it's kind of early to post this, but if anyone can post chargers for home or the car that work with the Moto Z, I'm sure that would help others out greatly.
I haven't bought it yet, but the Tronsmart 33 watt dual charger for the car looks promising: https://goo.gl/a3vada
I have a Tronsmart quick charge 3.0 home charger right now, but I don't have my phone yet. When I'm able to test it, I'll let everyone know.
Of course, if you are going to use a USB A to USB C cable, make sure it isn't a cheap one. Apparently there are reports of bad cables that may short out.
A question I have is: Can we get the full use of the Turbocharge with a USB A to USB C cable? Or do we need to go straight USB C to USB C?
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Most definitely going to need usb c to usb c for the fastest charging. With a usb a end I believe the best amp rating we can get is 2.4a but usually around 2. To turbo charge the Moto Z and for it to recognize turbo charging you need at least 5v at 3amps (15watts). The stock turbo charger outputs 5v at 5.7 amps (28.5watts). Our phones don't follow Qualcomm quick charge standards. I believe our phones follow the usb power delivery standard for charging.
I gave up looking and went to the local Verizon store. I was having an issue that the only charger that would charge my moto mod battery, Incipio, was the supplied charger with the phone.
They had usb c chargers in stock. I tested out the home charger and it turbo charged my phone then started to charge the battery mod. Then tested the usb c car charger and it turbo charged my phone then switched to charging the mod.
So needless to say I'm satisfied.
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mobrules777 said:
I gave up looking and went to the local Verizon store. I was having an issue that the only charger that would charge my moto mod battery, Incipio, was the supplied charger with the phone.
They had usb c chargers in stock. I tested out the home charger and it turbo charged my phone then started to charge the battery mod. Then tested the usb c car charger and it turbo charged my phone then switched to charging the mod.
So needless to say I'm satisfied.
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Guess Ill be getting the verizon car charger, thank you for that wasnt sure it would turbo charge...or charge at all...Ive had problems with verizon branded chargers in the past
LeeMullinsII said:
Guess Ill be getting the verizon car charger, thank you for that wasnt sure it would turbo charge...or charge at all...Ive had problems with verizon branded chargers in the past
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Any chargers (home and car) online that use usb-c to usb-c cables should turbo charge the phone...
NONE of them (including the VZW) will charge as fast as the one that came in the box...but they will turbo charge
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First picture is using the Verizon usb c fast charger. Not bad and it did pop up saying turbo charging.
Just to compare the second photo is using the supplied charger that came with phone. Huge difference.
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Metfanant said:
Any chargers (home and car) online that use usb-c to usb-c cables should turbo charge the phone...
NONE of them (including the VZW) will charge as fast as the one that came in the box...but they will turbo charge
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Any USB C to C charger will *work*, but they won't turbo charge since Motorola doesn't use QC 2 or 3. It uses the USB C charging standard with a twist. I have tried a couple chargers, and the phone will always pop up a box telling that to enable turbocharge I need to use a turbocharge charger, etc...
The Z Force charges with a 5v at 5.7a, and many chargers won't put out that much power. I've seen a lot of 3a and 5a chargers, but few 5.7a.
If you're lucky enough to have a USB C port on a PC/Mac, it will turbo charge the phone as fast as the stock charger, provided you use a good quality C to C cable. It will also let you transfer data to the phone at insane speeds.
Verizon sells TWO car chargers that are Type-C one of them states Qualcomm QC 3.0 and the other does not but both show they are rated at 5V/3A (15 watts)
Has anyone tried one with the VZ branding? If so, which model was it? SKU #TYPECPDQC3VPC or SKU #TYPECPDVPC ?
So I ended up getting the SKU #TYPECPDQC3VPC and it works fine in turbo mode. Go with that one for the car!
I picked up the following charger from amazon with a discount from snagshout.com. Seems to work as it should, have only used it twice though.
Quick Charge 3.0 Silipower 39W car charger attached 3.3ft USB-C connector for 5V 3A charging Nexus 5X/6P, HTC 10 & other Type-C Devices, QC3.0 for LG G4/G5, Galaxy S7/S6/Edge, HTC| Qualcomm Certified
I'm Brazillian and I bought the AUKEY Car Charger mentioned on the first post on Ebay and it works with Turbo Charger. I have a Moto Z Play (XT1635-02).
In Portuguese :
Sou Brasileiro e comprei o Aukey Car Charger citado no primeiro post pelo Ebay e carregou com o Turbo Charger. Tenho um Moto Z Play (XT1635-02)
I've got a Pixel charger I use at home, and a Verizon QC3/USB-PD vehicle charger
Vehicle - https://goo.gl/Pa1QWW
I bought this charger :
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Type-C-5-Port-Charger-PowerPort/dp/B01D8C6ULO/
It works perfectly on turbo power via the usb c port.
It follows a Motorola Proprietary Power Delivery, compatible with other USB Type-C Power Delivery devices up to 5V/3A max
The Verizon TYPECPDQC3VPC, TYPECPDVPC car chargers and TYPECPDQC3TVL wall charger will charge 5V/3A. (I bought mine off ebay as Verizon/Xentris non-branded for $9 each~ YMMV)
Reference https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...f_TX8/pubhtml#
I think most usb type-c PD chargers will "fast charge" up to 5V/3A, only the Motorola TubroPower 30 has the capability to do 5V/5.7A proprietary "turbo charge".. It was $20 shipped on Verizon 'til recently, that's where I bought mine.
I bought this charger for home, it's the verizon oem from xentris with the logo marked over. http://www.ebay.com/itm/351967678957
clockcycle said:
I bought this charger for home, it's the verizon oem from xentris with the logo marked over. http://www.ebay.com/itm/351967678957
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And does it turbo charge?
Hi
I have a honor 8 ,with a quick charge feature, it is working with the official wall charger + usb c cable sold with the phone.
I would like to buy a longer usb c cable. How to be sure it will provide fast charge? Could I buy cheapest cable?
Thanks
Just got my 1+6 and I love it. Just thought I'd share that the 1+ power adapter doesn't work with other usb C cables for fast charge. It'll charge at regular speed but not fast. I have an OTG cable from Amazon that will not work at all. Make sure to buy OEM accessories
halo312 said:
Just got my 1+6 and I love it. Just thought I'd share that the 1+ power adapter doesn't work with other usb C cables for fast charge. It'll charge at regular speed but not fast. I have an OTG cable from Amazon that will not work at all. Make sure to buy OEM accessories
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Did you put OTG mode on via advanced settings? It will go off automatically after 10 min inactivity. And yes, Dash charging needs original dash charger AND dash cable (or whatever it's called, the red Oneplus cable).
I have cheap chinese OTG-adapter and it works just fine, after enabling OTG mode every time when using.
Eremitus said:
Did you put OTG mode on via advanced settings? It will go off automatically after 10 min inactivity. And yes, Dash charging needs original dash charger AND dash cable (or whatever it's called, the red Oneplus cable).
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Thanks for the OTG tip. Works like a champ!
what is so special about oneplus cables, it doesn't work for me either.
x111 said:
what is so special about oneplus cables, it doesn't work for me either.
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Those cables support an higher amperage current passing through and I also think they also have 1 or 2 more contacts in the type-c connector and larger ones in the type a usb
Lorenzo2010 said:
Those cables support an higher amperage current passing through and I also think they also have 1 or 2 more contacts in the type-c connector and larger ones in the type a usb
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For my nexus6 I have fast charger which kicks up charging up to 9V - 1A.
This charger does not work with oneplus6 and charging only at 5V - 1A.
Also, nexus6 does not fast charging with oneplus charger and charging at 5V - 1A.
I am highly disappointed that we do not have standard for fast charging.
I use magnetic adapter and it's incredible convenient to use and I am not going to go back. And now I have to leave with retarded decision from Oneplus who cannot deliver normal fast charging from any chargers which able to deliver over 1A !!
Shame on you Oneplus !!
You need the cable provided with the phone to dash charge, because of the high current output while charging. Standard cables are rated to handle maximum 2amps, while OP uses 4amps.
Edit: VOOC and rapid charging cables have a special 5th pin used for verification
~Disregard below statement ~
Any cable will work as long as it is rated for 4A. The power brick has to be a dash or VOOC charger.
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Any cable will work as long as it is rated for 4A. The power brick has to be a dash or VOOC charger.
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No it won't. How does the charger know the cable is rated at 4 amps?
There is stuff in both charger and cable and both must be present for dash charging to work
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No it won't. How does the charger know the cable is rated at 4 amps?
There is stuff in both charger and cable and both must be present for dash charging to work
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I didn't realize there is a 5th pin used as verification. Ideally the power brick and/or phone can detect the resistance of the cable but that's not the case here. Luckily most 4A cables I've found are VOOC or rapid charging compatible.
If someone needs a longer cable:
you can actually use a 3.0 USB extension cable as long as it is rated for more power.
some guys at the op community tested a few cables and confirmed this one working:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017XUSKVK
i dont know if i can post links to the OP Community but i will do it either
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/...-a-f-cable-supports-op3-dash-charging.454306/
x111 said:
For my nexus6 I have fast charger which kicks up charging up to 9V - 1A.
This charger does not work with oneplus6 and charging only at 5V - 1A.
Also, nexus6 does not fast charging with oneplus charger and charging at 5V - 1A.
I am highly disappointed that we do not have standard for fast charging.
I use magnetic adapter and it's incredible convenient to use and I am not going to go back. And now I have to leave with retarded decision from Oneplus who cannot deliver normal fast charging from any chargers which able to deliver over 1A !!
Shame on you Oneplus !!
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Just upgraded the misses from a OP 1 to an OP 6.
Until now we had also been using magnetic usb cables that are soooooo convenient.
My Nexus6 and her OP 1 charge at 1amp with them according to Ampere and were android auto recognized by our cars...
With them the OP6 only charges at 320mA and is not android auto recognized by our cars...
I'm looking for a magnetic usb cable upgrade so OP 6 works as I expect it to... I don't care about quick charging (have never needed it as battery is never empty when i set the phone to charge at night). I care about magnetic uber convenience and android auto recognition in the car.
dwardo said:
Just upgraded the misses from a OP 1 to an OP 6.
Until now we had also been using magnetic usb cables that are soooooo convenient.
My Nexus6 and her OP 1 charge at 1amp with them according to Ampere and were android auto recognized by our cars...
With them the OP6 only charges at 320mA and is not android auto recognized by our cars...
I'm looking for a magnetic usb cable upgrade so OP 6 works as I expect it to... I don't care about quick charging (have never needed it as battery is never empty when i set the phone to charge at night). I care about magnetic uber convenience and android auto recognition in the car.
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I'm using this one
wsken.my/WSKEN-X-Cable/WSKEN-Micro-USB-Lightning-2.4A-Mini2-Magnetic-X-Cable-Black
already 3rd generation.
I cannot understand why we do not have universal standard magnetic connector,
it's so much more convenient to use.
I hope they will come up with magnetic otg and retarded audio adapter since everyone removing audio jack for no reason at all.
Hello
So a couple of weeks back I upgraded to the Poco F2 Pro 6/128GB from my Mi 9T.
I have been using a magnetic charging cable with my Mi 9T, with a little magnetic part permanently in the usb port for convenience with a standard QC3.0 charger. Worked great and charged fast at 18W.
I wanted a similar solution for my Poco F2 Pro.
So I have done some testing and the results might surprise you.
Poco supports 30W Mi Turbo Charge which seems to be a custom Xiaomi charging protocol and does not seem to play nice with standard USB PD3.0 Protocol.
I have done charging tests from ~5-20% battery for maximum charging speeds and tested the actual charge rates with a USB Voltmeter
Voltmeter:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Mete...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648
Test 1: Original Charger and Cable
Result: 30W Mi Rapid Charging (~9.6V, 3.1A) As Expected
Even tho the original charger is rated at Max 33W, Poco only charges at 30W Max.
Test 2: 60W USB PD3.0 Charger + 5A Type C to Type C Cable
Charger: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0824S38VC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07QPNRGYH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Result: 18W Standard Fast Charging (~9.2V, 1.9A)
I did multiple tests to check if the charger is legit (which it is, many of my friends use it with different devices and it works great) with my brothers Pixel 4XL, and my friend Xiaomi Mi 9.
Pixel Charged at 18W, Mi 9 at 27W.
The phone did not charge at 27W (~9V 3A), even to it does support PD 3.0 charging.
Test 3: Original Charger with a 3A Ugreen Magnetic Cable
Cable: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ugreen-M...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648
Result: ~25W Mi Turbo Charging (~9.6V, 2.6A)
This is very interesting since it does trigger the Mi Turbo Charge, it is not the full speed charge like with the original setup.
Original setup also has a charging animation, with the % increasing at a steady speed.
With the Ugreen Cable, there was no animation.
Test 4: Original Charger + 40W Huawei Supercharge Cable
Cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08CR7W2T1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Result: ~25W Mi Turbo Charging (~9.6V, 2.6A)
The original Xiaomi Cable is a 5A Cable, so I thought id try a Huawei Supercharge Cable, but it ended up charging the same as a 3A Ugreen Cable
Test 5: 60W USB PD3.0 Charger + 5A Magnetic Type C to Type C Cable
Charger: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0824S38VC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08HLN27DP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Result: 18W Standard Fast Charging (~9.2V, 1.9A)
Again, standard 18W fast charging, not 27W as you would expect.
Conclusion:
From my testing, the only way to charge the Poco at Maximum speed of 30W is with the charger and cable which I find very strange. Does the original Xiaomi cable have a custom Xiaomi chip which handshakes with the charger to get the full 30W Mi Turbo charge?
With a PD3.0 Charger, I was only able to achieve 18W of fast charging, again very strange, since Poco should support 27W (~9V 3A) charging with any PD3.0 Charger.
I have settled for a setup with the Ugreen Magnetic Cable and the Original Charger for convenience, ease of use and preventing the USB port from being worn out. I am loosing about 5W of speed, which does slightly increase the charging time. (I charge my phone to ~85% max)
(If there is something wrong with my methodology let me know and I will re-test if needed)
I approved with an Aukey 29w Fast Charging charger (model pa-y7) and the same charge at 18W, even with the type-c cable on both sides (Baseus brand cable up to 60W)
It seems like Xiaomi cable and charger have an extra pin. That might trigger and power the turbocharge
osvaldo.17 said:
This little pin makes the difference.!
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I've tried this one:
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I don't know at which rate it charges but it triggers Charge turbo animation with the % increasing at a steady speed with almost any proper USB-C to USB-C cable.
I've also found that if you launch the CIT on the phone by tapping on kernel version 3 times on settings->About this phone->All specs
and go to the charging test (number 24) you can check which protocol is being used
If you use any QC3.0 charger it says USB_HVDCP, which triggers fast charging but not the charge turbo animation.
If you use a regular PD charger it says USB_PD which also triggers fast chargingbut also not the charge turbo animation.
If you use the original setup it also says USB_PD which means that extra pin it has on the USB-A connector is wired in a weird way it actually negotiates usb PD protocol, which I can also confirm because I connected it to a Thinkpad T480 and with the Lenovo Vantage software gets 27W charging, which is not possible with any USB-A to USB-C cable and QC3.0 charger.
Which may mean that maybe Xiaomi didn't want to pay for the QC4.0+ chipsets or something and did some weird stuff to get PD through QC3.0 by that pin and through the F2s software reducing the cost of the charger in the box and whatever else. As for this GaN 65W charger I have no idea on how they pull that off but is a proper PD charger
Since the update to Android 11, a set of cables that previously triggered the Turbo Charge, now suddenly work only as Fast Charge.
They were a bit slower than original before, but now they are a lot slower.
I only have the Accubattery measurements:
cca 4000 mA average on Android 10,
cca 3000 mA average on Android 11.
While the original charger + cable shows about 4500-5000 mA average.
They really managed to screw this device.
On ArrowOS my device charging at 1.8A and 7.5V with original charger and wire... so it depends on software. But anyway I don't want to downgrade from perfect OS to buggy MIUI only because of that.
I also have seen a weird change in charge speeds..
Used to be totally fine but it seems that for a while now the speeds are very slow and quickcharge isnt working anymore..
shicomm said:
I also have seen a weird change in charge speeds..
Used to be totally fine but it seems that for a while now the speeds are very slow and quickcharge isnt working anymore..
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hey have the same problema. here. teh only way to get fast chager is with the original charger al cable. PD charger give me fast charge. but all my other chargers that gives me fast charger in other devices gives me NOTHING now.
original charger 4300 ma,
PD: 1200 ma
fast chargers QC 3 and others: 230 ma !!
****ty old chargers : 230 ma.
so what the hell? I was thinking that I screwed the port of the phone with magnetics cables before read this.
Just my 2 cents here. Don't try to charge this phone with super fast chargers. Mine developed the well known fault that you needed to press the corner of the phone to get it to start charging. I even opened it and put a bit of a tape behind the ribbon cable connector (as some guy suggested on YT). It started charging again and then after a couple of weeks and a few more quick charges it stopped charging at all. I guess heat affects the connector or some element on the board. I've just ordered a new usb board and ribbon cable from Ali and if the phone comes back to life again I will never ever use the original rapid charger that came with the phone.