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Well, I saw a Rogers user posting his comments after a week of use so I figured I'd post some opinion as well, especially since I disagree with several of his opinions.
First, I've noticed the wi-fi issue as well. As with some other posters my router is not known to be super reliable, so that could have some impact. Also, it seems that some folks are having success switching to G instead of N and that may also help as I believe I am on G at work and I haven't had any issue with wi-fi at work. Hopefully this can be fixed with a software update.
I first reported some disappointment with the warm hue of the screen, and either it is growing on me or it is burning in a little bit and the tans, greens, and oranges are starting to look better. The screen as a whole looks fantastic. Several people have remarked how it looks like a sticker on the phone or like the image is sitting on top of the glass. The resolution is fantastic and everything looks crisp vibrant. Reds, blues, and yellows look fine too. White seems pretty white to me. When comparing a white screen on the HOX to an AMOLED screen the HOX looks white and the AMOLED looks blue.
Battery life is about what I was expecting and seems to be on-par with the international version. I've not had any trouble making it from 8AM to 11PM even with pretty heavy usage. It's not as good as my Captivate on AOKP which could make it ~30 hrs under my normal usage which is relatively light. Because the HOX is such a great phone and it's brand new I've been using it a lot more so the most I think I've gotten is 18 or 19 hours which most people would consider fantastic in consideration of the usage.
Camera is by no means average and it absolutely smokes the iPhone 4S. I took some test shots with my wife's iPhone and the HOX just blows it away. The flash is much better, but even in low light without the flash the HOX looks better, has less grain to the photos and generally focuses better and has better color reproduction. The speed of the camera is incredible and using the burst mode to capture a moment is a stroke of genius if you have a dog or a kid that you want to take a pic of them doing something cute.
I've not had any status bar icon issues or in call volume adjustment.
My biggest complaint is not being able to turn off LTE since I'm not in an LTE area. I tried using a different APN and I didn't notice any difference and it didn't improve my battery life at all. I only had the new APN for ~2 days but I felt I may have been getting worse battery life, but certainly wasn't getting better battery life so I just went back to the stock APN.
I guess the Rogers poster was coming from an iPhone and remarked on a slight lag moving between homescreens. This is exagerated to say the least. This phone with sense 4.0 is the fastest UI I've seen on an android phone and the only phone that is more fluid is the iphone and that is due to apple putting realtime priority on UI rendering computations while Android puts industry standard normal priority on rendering. No matter how good the code is, no matter how fast the processor is, it's just never going to look like the iphone because it's never going to have realtime priority. That said, this phone responds instantly to all touches in virtually all parts of the phone. The only times I've seen lag is either app related or network related. It's a great user experience.
Another concern I saw in some other threads that I completely agree with is that the white smudges easily. In addition, the polycarbonate shell may be very durable in that it protects the phone, but it's basically the same material as a LEGO and as such can be dented with a drop as I've unfortunately experienced already. As far as the smudging the phone wipes back to a bright white easily, but probably needs to be cleaned every few days to keep it bright white and not getting dull. The white looks fantastic, best looking white phone out there, but I'd have to reluctantly recommend the grey if you aren't going to use a case in order to hide some dirt and dings more easily.
Overall, this is a fantastic phone. HTC has lived up to the hype and produced THE top android the device out right now. If you want the best in basically every area, you want an HOX right now, and it doesn't look like Samsung is going to beat it and it's going to take quite some time for the S3 to come to the US. If you've got an ATT upgrade in the next 2 months, you'd be crazy not to drop it on the HOX.
Hey since your on the AT & T version and you don't have the setting to turn LTE off. Type *#*#4636#*#* go to phone information and you can switch it to GSM/HSPA only. Let me know if that works for you!
My two biggest concerns right now are the wi-fi performance (which seems to be real and potentially fixed with a software update) and the battery life. In a few days we should see professional reviews for the AT&T model that will be able to compare the international and LTE editions under equal usage.
I know the white is harder to keep clean but I really prefer the look of it over the grey. Maybe I'd just make the effort to keep it clean.
I also think the camera lens is an issue with respect to scratches. I don't plan on using a case 95% of the time, so I'd have to find a DIY way to cover said lens while not in use. (I was thinking a small piece of electrical tape or something along those lines.)
I'm also going to wait until the WWDC keynote next month to see what Apple has in store for iOS 6.
If the wi-fi issue can get settled, battery life is solid while using LTE, iOS 6 isn't leaps and bounds better than iOS 5, then I'll probably make the jump. Some things to line up first though.
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Camera is by no means average and it absolutely smokes the iPhone 4S. I took some test shots with my wife's iPhone and the HOX just blows it away. The flash is much better, but even in low light without the flash the HOX looks better, has less grain to the photos and generally focuses better and has better color reproduction. The speed of the camera is incredible and using the burst mode to capture a moment is a stroke of genius if you have a dog or a kid that you want to take a pic of them doing something cute.
I've not had any status bar icon issues or in call volume adjustment.
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I did some more testing with the camera and no doubt it is able to create some fairly high quality shots. I just find the camera experience a bit easier overall with the i4s. We have matte grey walls at home and for some reason they always show up weird and distorted, I'll take a pic after work tonight and post it to show you what I mean.. I'll also post a comparison pic off the iPhone camera.
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Hey since your on the AT & T version and you don't have the setting to turn LTE off. Type *#*#4636#*#* go to phone information and you can switch it to GSM/HSPA only. Let me know if that works for you!
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Tried this before and posted results in my first thread about it. Doesn't work.
Odd question, can you do time lapse videos? I know this is an ICS thing, just wondering if HTC left it in?
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Odd question, can you do time lapse videos? I know this is an ICS thing, just wondering if HTC left it in?
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I don't have the phone yet but i remember from reading a review from neowin that they left the time lapse feature out.
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My two biggest concerns right now are the wi-fi performance (which seems to be real and potentially fixed with a software update) and the battery life. In a few days we should see professional reviews for the AT&T model that will be able to compare the international and LTE editions under equal usage.
I know the white is harder to keep clean but I really prefer the look of it over the grey. Maybe I'd just make the effort to keep it clean.
I also think the camera lens is an issue with respect to scratches. I don't plan on using a case 95% of the time, so I'd have to find a DIY way to cover said lens while not in use. (I was thinking a small piece of electrical tape or something along those lines.)
I'm also going to wait until the WWDC keynote next month to see what Apple has in store for iOS 6.
If the wi-fi issue can get settled, battery life is solid while using LTE, iOS 6 isn't leaps and bounds better than iOS 5, then I'll probably make the jump. Some things to line up first though.
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I know a lot of user's are concerned about getting the white version dirty, eBay has some clear gel cases for 2$, figured I'd share since a clear case won't hide the beauty of this device
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rambo8987 said:
I know a lot of user's are concerned about getting the white version dirty, eBay has some clear gel cases for 2$, figured I'd share since a clear case won't hide the beauty of this device
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No clue if I'll end up getting the One X, but if I do, I'm only going to use a case when necessary (working around the house, etc). Love the way that polycarbonate feels in my hand. Camera lens needs to be covered with something though.
Has anyone messed with the APN settings and noticed a difference in battery life. You definitely can force HSPA/+.
I have been putting out information about U11+ in hamdir's thread for couple of days. I thought may be I should collate all the information and create a thread. So, here it is. Note that I am going to keep adding stuff as I use the phone everyday to point out the good the bad and the ugly. Go ahead and ask questions. If its possible for me, I will try to answer.
Quick update
Very quick update folks....
I got the amazing silver in my hands now. Been fiddling with options etc. for last 30 mins.
It a thing of beauty, let me tell you that first and foremost!! Amazing silver is really a shiny light blue colour. I love it!
Indoors, its brighter than my HTC 10 Tianma display. By how much? I don't know but its uncomfortably high for me at max. I won't use it at anywhere close to max. May be around 50%. Can't compare outdoor in direct sunlight until tomorrow. Will update again.
The weight is not a concern for me, its a little bit more than my 10 but not by much. The screen is gorgeous and much better than 10!!
The FP scanner is a little bit of a problem for me because I am not used to the rear scanner. I am finding it odd to pick the phone to use it. But I knew this going in. So, some mental recalibration is necessary. I can see OCD types hating this aspect, but I am fine with it.
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Couple of more quick updates:
1. Speakers are much better than HTC 10. Louder and clearer. You would be very pleased to hear these if you upgrade from HTC 10. Just saw the infinity war trailer on it and listened through Thriller....
2. Lowest screen brightness gets very low. Good for night time, in-dark browsing. Much lower than HTC 10.
3. The screen gets much blacker than HTC10 in "day dream" or "always on" mode in the complete darkness, which may help with battery if you are thinking of keeping AOD on always. The "light bleed" associated with LCD panels is still there through. In fact, its little uneven compared to HTC 10. On HTC 10, you can clearly see that the whole screen is lit up but only the text is brighter. On U11+, the lower left part of the screen is almost complete black whereas the right side shows more light bleed. I don't know if its a defect in my unit or its just something impossible to achieve during LCD panel manufacturing. Not perfection but not a big deal for me.
The default is not AOD but it is turn on the dimly lit display when you pick up the phone.
Double tap to wake works (someone asked earlier). On display button let's you put it to sleep in case you don't want to press power button to lock/put it sleep.
So far, thrilled to get this phone. I hope we work out TWRP really quick, root and I can move to this phone as my daily driver.
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GSMArena got the battery life wrong on this phone or they tested a different phone. I have been setting up, installing apps, syncing email accounts and generally fiddling with this phone for past 3-4 hours with 1h40m of SOT (screen brightness at 50% with Auto on, my typical setting for HTC 10) and it has consumed about 16% of battery. Haven't got that kind of battery life from any phone I have used or seen anybody else use in practical terms (I don't believe in artificial benchmarks). I think there is nothing to worry about battery life on this phone. This will last even the big time users through the day (10-12 hour day) easily.
One thing i notice is that its idling very well when turned off. My HTC 10 did not do that very well. So, the wifi chip seems to have been fixed up.
Note that its running 8.0.0 with Oct 1st patch. So, this has to still get the 8.1.1 release, which potentially should improve things.
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Its still morning here in bay area and not afternoon sunny yet. But with the morning sun behind me, I can clearly say that U11+ is better than my HTC10. With HTC camera app, I looked through a chain of balconies shaded by trees, and sun behind me, to see how far each screen shows me. Side by side, I could see more detail and farther in U11+. This is highly unscientific but the brightness in sunlight is an upgrade from HTC10 Tianma to U11+. I will try to get some photos of the two phones' camera app in sunlight later in the day.
I think brightness jump is not huge from HTC 10, but its big enough for me to say I feel more comfortable taking photos/videos outdoors. Note that Camera sensor may also be playing a role in this. HTC 10 has a smaller f/1.8 aperture. So, more testing may be needed on the screen brightness in general. But practically speaking, I browsed around and I had no trouble reading text with sun behind me, falling directly on the phone. That's good for me, 500 nits or not.
I tried with both Auto brightness enabled and disabled, at max brightness. Results are same.
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Someone asked about the FP gestures earlier. I did not find any settings for them and moving the finger around on FP in any direction or double tapping it, does not do anything. So, no gestures on FP, yet.
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Someone had asked for 4G/LTE support in the US. At least in the area I am in (bay area, CA), the coverage is same as what I got in HTC 10 on T Mobile.
Regarding the wifi, its much better than HTC 10. I compared side by side and HTC10 needed to be closer to the router by about 10 feet to be able to do speedtest from the point where I could speedtest on U11+ and still get full 90Mbps download speed. U11+ has an excellent wifi range and throughput. I get around -71dBm (signal strength) from my router at a spot where my HTC10 gives me -83dBm. At that spot, U11+ maxes out the internet traffic, whereas 10 is limited to about 45Mbps. So, anyone with HTC 10 will appreciate the huge jump in performance of wifi.
Also, the idling issue found with HTC 10's wifi is not there in U11+. It does not eat through battery while idling on wifi.
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Couple of more inputs:
1. I went to work with the phone but unfortunately I did not have the other phones with me to click the photos in bright sunlight but I can tell you, the screen has no problems in the sun. It is very bright and very usable for me. Unless you have a defective unit, the brightness of the screen should not be a concern at all. My experience is only HTC 10 vs U11+, and I am loving the brightness upgrade.
2. Usage with my sunglasses. I can not use HTC 10 in portrait mode with my sunglasses on. It goes complete dark. I did not have any issues with U11+ in both portrait and landscape orientations. Am I thrilled to wear my sunglasses in the car again? HELL YEAH!!!
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Sound wise, nothing so far has beat my M7 for in ear quality. If the U11+ proves a worthy successor in that area as well, my M7 may sit in the desk drawer for the first time in over 4 years!!!
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Make your M7 a cosy bed in that drawer because its going in there for sure and for a long time.... U11+ is big upgrade (from M7 and 10, both of which I own) in sound department, both the speakers and the USB-C headphone jack, through the bundled earbuds. I have found the bundled USB-C earbuds to be of very high quality. I usually throw away packaged earbuds because they usually fall off from my ear but these fit in my ear very well. And boy they block the noise!!! I have no complaints about the missing 3.5mm jack.
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Thanks a lot for all these info. Looking forward to receiving my unit as well and start testing! I have high hopes for this one and I believe I will not be disappointed.
Thanks for all very detailed and useful things mentions.
It’s positive that more and more people having the device and the general impression is in very good level at all aspects despite all that crap GSM arena mention with their tragic review.
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Did you hook it up to the TV yet? I wonder why nobody does that. It's a very useful feature that not many modern smartphones offer unfortunately.
I wish HTC would advertise this special feature a bit more... It's underrated and underreported.
Thank you for all this info.
I Pre-Ordered one but I was skeptical with THE BAD review that I read.
I was thinking of canceling my order but now I just can't wait to get my hands on it
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Did you hook it up to the TV yet? I wonder why nobody does that. It's a very useful feature that not many modern smartphones offer unfortunately.
I wish HTC would advertise this special feature a bit more... It's underrated and underreported.
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Honestly, I don't use this feature anymore. In fact, with casting feature working so well (AC wifi) and its so very convenient compared to the wire, casting gets used most of the time. I used to do this but I never bothered to buy the USB-C cable with my HTC 10.
May be I will try this again. Try some gaming on the big TV screen, fun fun fun!!
screen casting with chromecast or similar technologies always has a noticeable lag of 1-2 seconds. With direct cable connection there is no lag.
lebigmac said:
Did you hook it up to the TV yet? I wonder why nobody does that. It's a very useful feature that not many modern smartphones offer unfortunately.
I wish HTC would advertise this special feature a bit more... It's underrated and underreported.
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What do you want to know?? I did it. But is like mirror screen
Not have desktop mode like Mate 10
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What do you want to know?? I did it. But is like mirror screen
Not have desktop mode like Mate 10
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How is the video and audio quality? Is it real-time or is there any noticeable lag?
And what cable did you use? Thanks.
So can you please describe us the AOD(always on display)feature how it works with HTC.
Does it have the same customization option as with Samsung or LG(v30)with variety of clock or colors option,image background support,music control(play-pause-forward) and if support notifications from any kind app.
Also when receiving notification and hit it on the screen does it open directly the specific app or not.
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AptX HD and LDAC and display
devsk said:
I have been putting out information about U11+ in hamdir's thread for couple of days. I thought may be I should collate all the information and create a thread. So, here it is. Note that I am going to keep adding stuff as I use the phone everyday to point out the good the bad and the ugly. Go ahead and ask questions. If its possible for me, I will try to answer.
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hi, i have two question
first i'd be appreciated if you tell us how is the bluetooth headphone quality on u11+ ? beacuse i know u11+ has AptX HD and LDAC
and my second question is about the display
is the display quality, color range, black colors, ... near amoled display ?
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So can you please describe us the AOD(always on display)feature how it works with HTC.
Does it have the same customization option as with Samsung or LG(v30)with variety of clock or colors option,image background support,music control(play-pause-forward) and if support notifications from any kind app.
Also when receiving notification and hit it on the screen does it open directly the specific app or not.
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AOD on HTC U11+, in my opinion, leaves a lot to be desired. Few observations:
1. It only has two modes: a. show dimly lit clock/lock screen when picked up, b. always on mode, which is fixed 24/7 or on a time schedule. It lacks the mode "show dimly lit clock/lock screen when notifications arrive and repeat every 5 mins until cancelled".
2. Always On mode is a hog. Nearly 2% per hour idling. Not very useful. Its darker than any LCD I have seen before but it still show most of the display in complete darkness.
It does not provide any customization in either mode. You get 4 types of clock and that's about it. It shows apps (including music app) and their notifications with icons on small area and clicking takes to the app after unlock.
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hi, i have two question
first i'd be appreciated if you tell us how is the bluetooth headphone quality on u11+ ? beacuse i know u11+ has AptX HD and LDAC
and my second question is about the display
is the display quality, color range, black colors, ... near amoled display ?
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I don't have bluetooth headsets to test this sorry.
But the display is the best LCD I have seen. It can not be equal to amoled in terms of blacks, but its the closest that an LCD has come in terms of blacks. I think the LCD technology does not allow this any better compared to amoled in terms of blacks. The contrast is amazing and the brightness is very very good. The usage in direct sunlight is very comfortable.
Unless you want to knit pick (like always on display has slight light bleed, which is the result of them trying too hard to emulate "black"), you won't have any issues with this display.
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How is the video and audio quality? Is it real-time or is there any noticeable lag?
And what cable did you use? Thanks.
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I specifically bought the HDMI->USB-C cable from Amazon for $19 (one of the most expensive cables I have bought) and tested it. It works great. No lags in the video (my TV is 1080p). The sound through my sound system sounded great.
The link to cable: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075JGM4W8
Idle drain is very minimal
It looks like wifi draining the battery when idling that was seen and documented by me on HTC10, is gone on U11+. I left the sync ON, data and wifi ON overnight. And I lost 2% battery in about 10 hours. This is how it should be.
Very very pleased with the battery and the phone overall. For me, this phone gets almost everything right. It will get better once I get hold of root on it.
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I don't have bluetooth headsets to test this sorry.
But the display is the best LCD I have seen. It can not be equal to amoled in terms of blacks, but its the closest that an LCD has come in terms of blacks. I think the LCD technology does not allow this any better compared to amoled in terms of blacks. The contrast is amazing and the brightness is very very good. The usage in direct sunlight is very comfortable.
Unless you want to knit pick (like always on display has slight light bleed, which is the result of them trying too hard to emulate "black"), you won't have any issues with this display.
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how about the audio quality of headphones ?
Does the phone get hot with brightness on max? Or during heavy downloading of Apps or charging?
How long does a full charge take?
Are you using a case / cover? Noticed any scratches on the back?
Does YouTube allow you to stretch to full screen?
Thanks!
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Great feedback on this device. Thanks for doing this @devsk
I am in SF also. I have been seriously torn about buying a international no warranty phone. I jumped to the LG V30, purchased from B & H then cancelled the order a couple days ago.
However, I ordered the U11+ last night from Amazon - NGP Store USA. They get decent reviews but have a really strict return policy. I tried the U11 earlier this year but returned it. The U11+ had all the U11 was missing + more. [emoji3]
-- Who did you buy from and did you entertain buying a warranty? If so, from who.
-- Cases seem to be limited. Do you purchase one?
Thanks.
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Great feedback on this device. Thanks for doing this @devsk
I am in SF also. I have been seriously torn about buying a international no warranty phone. I jumped to the LG V30, purchased from B & H then cancelled the order a couple days ago.
However, I ordered the U11+ last night from Amazon - NGP Store USA. They get decent reviews but have a really strict return policy. I tried the U11 earlier this year but returned it. The U11+ had all the U11 was missing + more. [emoji3]
-- Who did you buy from and did you entertain buying a warranty? If so, from who.
-- Cases seem to be limited. Do you purchase one?
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Thanks. I bought it off of amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077PJXZFK
I did not buy a warranty. I took a chance and its been fine so far. The quality of the device and manufacturing is very very high. I am very pleased with the whole experience. Do not believe anybody who disses this device. It checks pretty much every box I had. Biggest thing is Treble. I expect to run well supported AOSP on this thing.
I am using the bundled transparent case and I am fine with it. Its minimal and it shows off the amazing silver very well.
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Does the phone get hot with brightness on max? Or during heavy downloading of Apps or charging?
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This phone does not get hot under any circumstances (brightness or extended play). I have it in the bundled minimal case, and I played racing games for extended periods of time (connected to my TV using a USB-C to HDMI adapter). It drove the TV's 1080p display without any delay and with great sound! It felt warm after an hour of play but I would qualify that a lukewarm. My HTC 10 definitely gets much warmer than U11+. So, its an upgrade for me.
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How long does a full charge take?
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I never measured this from 0 to 100%. I am not worried about this though. All I can tell you is it charges very fast.
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Are you using a case / cover? Noticed any scratches on the back?
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I am using the bundled minimal case. Its transparent and shows off amazing silver well.
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It depends on the video's aspect ratio. For example, Inifinity War Trailer filled the screen but apple sway ad did not. It does not stretch in general and I think that's the right thing to do. I would not like videos with a different native aspect ratio than 2:1 to stretch and show all stretched faces etc.
Pros:
It’s new. Looks a little nicer.
Can (at some point) take better pictures in the dark. The 2XL may get this?
Can answer calls for you. The 2XL will get this.
Wireless charging. But...
Screen is a little bigger, even without notch.
While the notch is ugly it does give you more space on the screen but do we really need it?
The sound is fuller. But…
Water resistant. But…
Cons:
With tax its $1100. With Charger and case it’s $1200
Google jerked me around for a month to get it to me.
They emailed there was a $50 Google store credit for ordering in the first few days but I ordered with Google Project Fi so that Google Store order I’m looking at is not a Google Store order. ???
It’s about $50 more and they are giving like $50 less this year for the trade in.
The Notch. It not so much that it is but what they gave up to get it. They should have just kept the same set up the 2 XL had and made the screen a little taller and wider. I’m ok with the notch as I’m one that wants the better speakers but they made one smaller and the sound is not the same and it’s the one you take calls (and use for the speaker phone?) on so I’d really rather they had not done this. It also messes up the screen when watching movies. On the 2 XL you can zoom most stuff a little a get full symmetric screen and not worry about burn in. But on the 3XL it chops off and squares the notch end. It just hurts my head for some reason, with the other end rounded.
Slow charging is still messed up. The 2XL has this issue somewhat but it will charge. A few times now I've come to find the 3XL has not charged at all and this morning it was at 49% but when I went to bed it was at 78% so what the heck?
The speakers do have a fuller sound but one is louder than the other and then there is the vibration. The vibration doesn’t bother me while holding it but there is distortion and a rattle like effect. I hear it in some of the notification sounds. If you go to settings, sound, advanced and then default notification sound, it should be Popcorn and every time at the end of it there is a rattle like buzzing. Not there on the 2XL.
The screen is pink. The 2XL is a little on the blue side but then the 3XL is pink. Mostly what you get used to I guess but I don’t like the pink.
Screen sensitivity. It’s really odd. Like I can double tap 4 or 5 times in a row and nothing happens but then it will work 4 or 5 times in a row. Like something is running in the background and it’s not see the touches. The fingerprint scroll is the same. Works for a time and then doesn’t. I also have issues scrolling up/down left/right once I’m logged in and using the phone. The 2XL is fine with this very basic stuff.
I've already seen pics of a few with glass backs broken. Wireless charging is cool but not sure if this is worth it.
I’m guessing none of these issues will be solved by software updates or swapping for another phone.
I think the 3XL we be worth even less next year than the 2XL is now.
The annual phone upgrade was a bummer this year.
So, return, swap, wait a month and get the 3XL again for like $800, keep the 2XL for another year or get the One Pulse 6T?
Tanquen said:
Pros:
It’s new. Looks a little nicer.
Can (at some point) take better pictures in the dark. The 2XL may get this?
Can answer calls for you. The 2XL will get this.
Wireless charging. But...
Screen is a little bigger, even without notch.
While the notch is ugly it does give you more space on the screen but do we really need it?
The sound is fuller. But…
Water resistant. But…
Cons:
With tax its $1100. With Charger and case it’s $1200
Google jerked me around for a month to get it to me.
They emailed there was a $50 Google store credit for ordering in the first few days but I ordered with Google Project Fi so that Google Store order I’m looking at is not a Google Store order. ???
It’s about $50 more and they are giving like $50 less this year for the trade in.
The Notch. It not so much that it is but what they gave up to get it. They should have just kept the same set up the 2 XL had and made the screen a little taller and wider. I’m ok with the notch as I’m one that wants the better speakers but they made one smaller and the sound is not the same and it’s the one you take calls (and use for the speaker phone?) on so I’d really rather they had not done this. It also messes up the screen when watching movies. On the 2 XL you can zoom most stuff a little a get full symmetric screen and not worry about burn in. But on the 3XL it chops off and squares the notch end. It just hurts my head for some reason, with the other end rounded.
Slow charging is still messed up. The 2XL has this issue somewhat but it will charge. A few times now I've come to find the 3XL has not charged at all and this morning it was at 49% but when I went to bed it was at 78% so what the heck?
The speakers do have a fuller sound but one is louder than the other and then there is the vibration. The vibration doesn’t bother me while holding it but there is distortion and a rattle like effect. I hear it in some of the notification sounds. If you go to settings, sound, advanced and then default notification sound, it should be Popcorn and every time at the end of it there is a rattle like buzzing. Not there on the 2XL.
The screen is pink. The 2XL is a little on the blue side but then the 3XL is pink. Mostly what you get used to I guess but I don’t like the pink.
Screen sensitivity. It’s really odd. Like I can double tap 4 or 5 times in a row and nothing happens but then it will work 4 or 5 times in a row. Like something is running in the background and it’s not see the touches. The fingerprint scroll is the same. Works for a time and then doesn’t. I also have issues scrolling up/down left/right once I’m logged in and using the phone. The 2XL is fine with this very basic stuff.
I've already seen pics of a few with glass backs broken. Wireless charging is cool but not sure if this is worth it.
I’m guessing none of these issues will be solved by software updates or swapping for another phone.
I think the 3XL we be worth even less next year than the 2XL is now.
The annual phone upgrade was a bummer this year.
So, return, swap, wait a month and get the 3XL again for like $800, keep the 2XL for another year or get the One Pulse 6T?
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Easy answer for me..I canceled my 3xl and got the 6t. Saved a bunch and actually really like it. Maybe next year Google
I had to send back my pixel because it was getting choppy animations at the lockscreen. If the replacement has any issues, I'm returning the phone and waiting for the S10.
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Pros:
It’s new. Looks a little nicer.
Can (at some point) take better pictures in the dark. The 2XL may get this?
Can answer calls for you. The 2XL will get this.
Wireless charging. But...
Screen is a little bigger, even without notch.
While the notch is ugly it does give you more space on the screen but do we really need it?
The sound is fuller. But…
Water resistant. But…
Cons:
With tax its $1100. With Charger and case it’s $1200
Google jerked me around for a month to get it to me.
They emailed there was a $50 Google store credit for ordering in the first few days but I ordered with Google Project Fi so that Google Store order I’m looking at is not a Google Store order. ???
It’s about $50 more and they are giving like $50 less this year for the trade in.
The Notch. It not so much that it is but what they gave up to get it. They should have just kept the same set up the 2 XL had and made the screen a little taller and wider. I’m ok with the notch as I’m one that wants the better speakers but they made one smaller and the sound is not the same and it’s the one you take calls (and use for the speaker phone?) on so I’d really rather they had not done this. It also messes up the screen when watching movies. On the 2 XL you can zoom most stuff a little a get full symmetric screen and not worry about burn in. But on the 3XL it chops off and squares the notch end. It just hurts my head for some reason, with the other end rounded.
Slow charging is still messed up. The 2XL has this issue somewhat but it will charge. A few times now I've come to find the 3XL has not charged at all and this morning it was at 49% but when I went to bed it was at 78% so what the heck?
The speakers do have a fuller sound but one is louder than the other and then there is the vibration. The vibration doesn’t bother me while holding it but there is distortion and a rattle like effect. I hear it in some of the notification sounds. If you go to settings, sound, advanced and then default notification sound, it should be Popcorn and every time at the end of it there is a rattle like buzzing. Not there on the 2XL.
The screen is pink. The 2XL is a little on the blue side but then the 3XL is pink. Mostly what you get used to I guess but I don’t like the pink.
Screen sensitivity. It’s really odd. Like I can double tap 4 or 5 times in a row and nothing happens but then it will work 4 or 5 times in a row. Like something is running in the background and it’s not see the touches. The fingerprint scroll is the same. Works for a time and then doesn’t. I also have issues scrolling up/down left/right once I’m logged in and using the phone. The 2XL is fine with this very basic stuff.
I've already seen pics of a few with glass backs broken. Wireless charging is cool but not sure if this is worth it.
I’m guessing none of these issues will be solved by software updates or swapping for another phone.
I think the 3XL we be worth even less next year than the 2XL is now.
The annual phone upgrade was a bummer this year.
So, return, swap, wait a month and get the 3XL again for like $800, keep the 2XL for another year or get the One Pulse 6T?
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Pink screen do you have pictures? Honestly to me it does sound like you have a defective device. I have had no touch screen sensitivity issues some of the XL 2's had that as well but I know it was possible to improve/fix with software. I've been through 3 and incoming 4th pixel and so far all the screens have been great leaps and bounds vs my old XL 2. I've been trying to RMA for the earpiece buzzing during calls even on calls you could hear it if you put your ear up to the earpiece. Two of them were like this and the third one was 80-85% better so acceptable but it had the greyed out OEM unlock. Probably some derp at the factory put a Verizon phone into a Google box or flashed Verizon firmware on it so #4 is on its way.
You could be perfectly fine on the XL 2 and the One Plus is a good option with some sacrifices obviously. So the question is are you a Pixel/Google fan boy and are committed to their products and have to have the latest and greatest of their offerings? If yes, then I would say keep swapping out till you get one that is satisfactory to you so you can have their latest shiny. Do we need the extra screen space probably not but that's like asking do we truly need all these shiny extras . They're not really necessary per say, but they are nice to have! If no, then I would say go with the One Plus 6T as it is a solid bang for the buck if you don't mind the 1080p screen and no IP rating for water/dust resistance or no front facing speakers and a camera that probably won't be as good etc. No version 2 if you want to save money just stick with the XL 2 as most of the software features from the XL 3 will probably make their way down eventually. Hope this helps.
Here is a pic of the 2. The pink tint actually makes it a little harder for me to read the light grey text in the calendar.
Both are set to solid white backgrounds and 65% brightness and colors set to boosted.
I was going to get the OP7 pro but decided I'd try the Pixel. The price is great, especially with Best buy's 100.00 gift card they give you. 379.00 essentially. Only been 24 hours but so far it's been smooth and no hiccups. I was concerned about only 4gb of ram but haven't ran into any problems. not a huge multitasker and the games I play are minimal and simple. I'm usually on social media, text, email, and phone calls. I may still bite the bullet on the OP7 pro but I'll wait a while and see reviews and hopefully TMobile will have some demo units. That price and curved screen are making me 2nd guess that decision though. Coming from just having a 6T, I don't notice that I'm using an inferior processor and less ram. At least So far I don't.
This phone is a very good example of commodification, it's coming and I don't see anything that can stop it over the longer term. They fought this tooth and nail with PCs and they held on for quite a while but failed. I think the same will happen here. I was a hardcore phone guy, bought a new one every six months, sometimes more often than that. Always the best because the best was better, I'm talking about the kind of better that made your life a little easier every day. That's largely gone now. I traded my 3 XL for the 6T which came out a week after. I was in the Tmo store comparing them side to side and I simply could not come up with a reason why I should keep the 1k phone over the 6T which was just over half it's price. Sure the XL was better in some respects but it was also worse in some ways. Now here I am with an aXL and I don't see this trend changing.
This is just me, you may see it differently. The 7 Pro will be excellent. I'm looking at it myself but I have the feeling that I've gotten off the flagship treadmill and I'm not sure I want to get back on until something really new like foldables (that don't break before they can be released) are out there.
I agree word by word with you guys.
Oh my, that 7 looks pretty darn spiffy. Lust factor going through the roof... Down boy! DOWN!
I've had nearly every one plus device from the beginning including a 6 most recently and was planning on getting a 7 pro. But I thought about the things they improved: those were not the things that annoyed by about the 1+6. The 3a is a more well rounded phone with incredible software and I'm really enjoying the one I just picked up. Really impressed with the CPU, no studders or lag at all, it's just as fast as my OnePlus 6.
Huh, I don't see that. My 6T should be no better or worse than your 6 but when I hold them side to side and fiddle them it's no question faster. Thankfully if I'm just screwing around with this one by itself it feels fluid and satisfying for the most part, I do get some redraws and there is some hitching up at times doing things like opening the main menu but for all that it's not enough to trigger any dissatisfaction. I've had 3 OnePlus devices, like the Pixel in use they're better than they are on paper.
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Huh, I don't see that. My 6T should be no better or worse than your 6 but when I hold them side to side and fiddle them it's no question faster. Thankfully if I'm just screwing around with this one by itself it feels fluid and satisfying for the most part, I do get some redraws and there is some hitching up at times doing things like opening the main menu but for all that it's not enough to trigger any dissatisfaction. I've had 3 OnePlus devices, like the Pixel in use they're better than they are on paper.
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App load time is definitely shorter on the OnePlus and it holds way more apps in ram. I really meant that if using the pixel on its own (not side by side), it's not noticeably shower than the OP6. Really digging the software on the pixel, the built in speakers, and the haptic motor at the moment. Missing the flashlight gesture and double tap to wake
I thought 3a XL had double tap to wake, isn't it so?
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I thought 3a XL had double tap to wake, isn't it so?
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Yes it does, it works for me, I do have always on display, not sure if this is required to work though. Double tap works great for me.
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Yes it does, it works for me, I do have always on display, not sure if this is required to work though. Double tap works great for me.
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The screen has to be on in some way for double tap to wake to work. Either ambient display or always on display. If your screen is totally off, double tap to wake doesn't work.
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The screen has to be on in some way for double tap to wake to work. Either ambient display or always on display. If your screen is totally off, double tap to wake doesn't work.
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I assumed that, that is why I mentioned that I have AOD active, I always use AOD on devices that have that option and having DTW is a plus. On a different note, Google should add a way of turning off AOD at night, like most other manufactures do, I put a piece of paper on top of the proximity sensor to turn off AOD at night to achieve this xD
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App load time is definitely shorter on the OnePlus and it holds way more apps in ram. I really meant that if using the pixel on its own (not side by side), it's not noticeably shower than the OP6. Really digging the software on the pixel, the built in speakers, and the haptic motor at the moment. Missing the flashlight gesture and double tap to wake
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Ok, I got you, I had posted much the same elsewhere.
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The screen has to be on in some way for double tap to wake to work. Either ambient display or always on display. If your screen is totally off, double tap to wake doesn't work.
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There's a setting within the Ambient Display to turn in DT2W. It seems to be independent of Ambient Display. For example, I have that box checked, but not AOD, and I can double tap to bring up Ambient Display. I can then double tap again to bring up the normal lock screen. So screen can be off as long as that box is checked.
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There's a setting within the Ambient Display to turn in DT2W. It seems to be independent of Ambient Display. For example, I have that box checked, but not AOD, and I can double tap to bring up Ambient Display. I can then double tap again to bring up the normal lock screen. So screen can be off as long as that box is checked.
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You're right, it's "double tap to check phone". Good call!
So far, for a person who like higher end phones, this one here (considered a budget) phone is the best IMOP. Sure it lacks a few things. One it only has a screen resolution of 1080, as compare to other phones with higher resolutions.. But I asked my self, did I ever utilize those other screen resolutions? Answer No. So that is not a issue for me at all.. Next, Screen display this one has OLED compared to AMOLED, does it affect how I use the phone? Answer NO. This phone on Sprint, came with absolutely no bloat of any kind, which is a big plus for me. Every time I bought a phone, first thing I had to do was remove all that bloat, as I can't stand software on my phone, that I do not use but takes away to much resources.
The camera is excellent, picture are crisp and nice.. No lag in the shutter. When you hit that button, it takes the picture instantly like it should.. I also like the idea of have sound coming from the speaker that you have up against you head, during phone calls, and from the bottom speakers as well. This makes for very good sound.. My wife and daughter already complained it was waaaay to loud LOL. Yes it has less ram, and a slower cpu, but it is butter smooth and very responsive IMOP compared to the G7 ThinQ I still own, and it only cost less than $500.. This is what a phone should cost.
Now the G7 I believe was around $800 had it for about 6 months.. Sprint asked if I was going to trade it in. I asked how much? They said $68 dollars, are you freaking kidding me.. Heck I will get much, much more when I sell it on line and this phone is in mind condition... This is why it is a scam to sell these phone for such high margins, and yet in the end they depreciate I thing worse than a dam computer does..
To each their own - I got the 3a XL to hold me over and start my Verizon account before ordering the OP7 Pro...I'm having pretty long load times, and some apps themselves are just lagging quite a bit. Maybe I got a bad one, but performance wise, I haven't been impressed so far. UI wise, I love the Pixel stuff...though I wish their launcher had a damn import option. Either way, I'll probably keep it as a holdover/backup phone, but I can't wait until the OP gets here on Tuesday. That being said, for $379 I can't complain that much (I do think that's where these devices should sit price wise though). They should make them 299-379 permanently and they would sell insanely well. Still, the camera is amazing as always. Wonder what the Pixel 4 will bring to the table?
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On a different note, Google should add a way of turning off AOD at night, like most other manufactures do, I put a piece of paper on top of the proximity sensor to turn off AOD at night to achieve this xD
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I just put my phone down with the screen side down. Of course I am using a glass protector and a case that has a small lip, so the actual screen doesn't contact my table.
I gave my op6 to my wife and got this pixel 3a xl . I've been using it for 3 months now and I'm big time ready to get back to OnePlus. Great camera on the pixel but thats about it. Under powered , not enough ram , and now with the update 10 4g problem I'm over this pixel.
I own both phones..it's really hard to compare these 2 phone models as there so much different. Pixel- I have owned both 1st and 2nd generation pixels prior to my 3a xl. I love the fast software updates and smooth ui even with only 4 gbs of RAM. My OnePlus 7 pro is fast.... really fast and that 90hz screen refresh rate is amazing. I Still really miss my Razer 2 with 120 hz refresh rate minus how boxy it was but all and all this thing is crazy fast. Last thing I might mention is it's heavy and kind of akward to hold not to mention the headache of trying to protect that curved screen though it does look beautiful.
Honestly I'm waiting until wireless charging and 5g are standard before I upgrade my phones again and with the Google updates every month for the next 2 years I think I'll keep my pixel XL 3a as a backup phone with an amazing camera, heck I got it for $350 so why not. My OnePlus 7 pro cost $650 just to compare prices. Hope this helps some people out. Don't hesitate to ask me anything since I own both currently.
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I own both phones..it's really hard to compare these 2 phone models as there so much different. Pixel- I have owned both 1st and 2nd generation pixels prior to my 3a xl. I love the fast software updates and smooth ui even with only 4 gbs of RAM. My OnePlus 7 pro is fast.... really fast and that 90hz screen refresh rate is amazing. I Still really miss my Razer 2 with 120 hz refresh rate minus how boxy it was but all and all this thing is crazy fast. Last thing I might mention is it's heavy and kind of akward to hold not to mention the headache of trying to protect that curved screen though it does look beautiful.
Honestly I'm waiting until wireless charging and 5g are standard before I upgrade my phones again and with the Google updates every month for the next 2 years I think I'll keep my pixel XL 3a as a backup phone with an amazing camera, heck I got it for $350 so why not. My OnePlus 7 pro cost $650 just to compare prices. Hope this helps some people out. Don't hesitate to ask me anything since I own both currently.
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I'm running with the same two phones, my OnePlus being my main personal device and my pixel being my business device. Both are great, and occasionally, I switch my sim cards back and forth. But for my apps and games, the OnePlus is, undoubtedly, the superior when it comes to performance. But man, those photos from the Pixel and screen calling are two things I just can't give up! In all honesty, both phones are fantastic and I think anyone who opts in for a Samsung or iPhone are missing out!
We all know nothing is perfect. So please besides camera issues and ghost touches can we please list and talk about the things we do find negative about this phone. No bashing just true input. My phones on It's way and I don't have it til June 10th but want to know what to expect or look into
Curved display glare
Chinese users reporting issues with pop up camera not working
Dust inside pop up Camera housing
Phone too heavy
Too big
Uneven weight distribution
Piss poor adaptive brightness
Piss poor quality, my device already has abrasions from regular use in a case and gentle use.
The slider for ring, vibrate and silence is easy to move when putting in pocket, the one one the 6t was lot more firm didn't have that issue.
Bluetooth audio crackles (might just be my device)
It is a beast, in isolation not so bad but pick up an S10+ and the Samsung looks and feels small in comparison. Also agree re the distribution
No always on display
No wireless charging
Camera is just ok
No face unlock. Yes I know it does actually have it but IMO popping the camera every time you want to unlock is enough of a hassle for me to not bother
FPS is 2D and not secure (it is though super quick and accurate)
Tap to wake and raise to wake do not always work
I love it though!
Good:
Love the display and curved edge
finger print sensor is fast
haptic vibration is amazing
speakers sound great
Oxygen OS is great
unlocking the bootloader/rooting/MSM download tool lets me customise this device without worry
bad:
I think it's too big for my hands
camera quality is just okay (I think it's the same quality as my OnePlus 6)
If I'm honest, using things like Snapchat and messenger, the photos are amazing. It just using the camera app it's ****house.
Size is good, vibration motor is good. Sound is good. Screen is amazing. Seems any issue I have is really a software update away from a fix...
Screen glare.
Phone tooooo heavy.
Battery is not better than the 6T
The curved screen isn't horrible. Didn't think I'd ever get a phone with a curved screen, but, the curve is to much that it curves in the normal screen area. Needs to be a more subtle curve.
Adaptive brightness isn't as bad as some people say on my phone but it certainly can be improved.
Battery is amazing. I'm getting at least 20% increased sot then my OnePlus 6. This is with auto res, 90hz and screen on auto brightness.
Too big, too heavy not for me.
The pop up camera I do not see as problem, rarely use it.
The curved display is annoying more than once screen elements I need to interact with were on the edge. "annoying not a deal breaker"
Same thing about Qi charging not having it is "annoying but not a deal breaker"
My biggest problem is not the size of the phone but the thickness.
If it was the same thickness as my S10+ and maybe a tad lighter it would feel so much better in the hand.
Don't get complaints about it being too big. It's a big phone and bigger than the 6t, pixel etc. You would have known that before purchasing. Like me buying a pixel 3a and complaining it's too small ...
But I wouldn't buy it because I know it's a small phone ?
Pros
Screen is AMAZING!
Battery Life is awesome!
90hz!
Better additions to stock Android!
Multiple options for gestures!
Drawing gestures are 100%!
Cons
Updates are very slow to roll out and we are always the last to receive them. (T-Mobile variant)
Rare accidental touches on the edge.
Camera resolution is overall OK. (Coming from my Pixel 3 XL, this really isn't a fair comparison)
Dialer app is not as good as the Pixel 3.
Dual stereo speakers could be a better.
Accessories are very expensive.
Reuben_skelz92 said:
Don't get complaints about it being too big. It's a big phone and bigger than the 6t, pixel etc. You would have known that before purchasing. Like me buying a pixel 3a and complaining it's too small ...
But I wouldn't buy it because I know it's a small phone ?
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Agreed.
Complaining about size and weight is useless. These were known. Curved screen yep. Don't complain.
The glare from the curved edge is an issue in some cases.
I don't have any real complaints.
I'm a realist and nothing is perfect, definitely not tech related products.
Loving all the input but for those who day heavy what phones are you coming from? I have a LG g6 ATM and with the case I use more often than any other case it weighs in at 226g so ok think that the OP7 pro wouldn't be that much heavier with a decent case on it. I'm mostly upgrading cause ALWAYS wanted a OP device on Verizon but the 6T just didn't sit with me well. Also I was going to buy a $300+ tablet for my photo editing but I figured the OP7 pro is large enough and better use of funds.
This phones adaptive brightness is meh.
When it hits ultra high brightness it can appear washed out.
The haptic motor is still meh.
Otherwise a great phone.
sad adaptive brightness (should be fixed with software)
screen could be a bit brighter when outside.
stereo speakers sound better than my pixel 2 xl
camera is good but not as good as my pixel 2 xl
small things, nothing serious. I love this phone and its the best phone overall that ive ever owned. To each their own though right? Something could be blatantly wrong with it or (what a lot of us do) if look for things to be wrong with the phone. No phone is perfect. There never will be, otherwise companies would go out of business.
I still rock the 6t, but have you guys noticed any difference in the camera after the software update "camera fix" on the 7plus?. In quotes because we all know OP has awful "fixes"
I like that it's big phone.
I don't have ladyboi hands so the phone is perfect for me. In fact I even have a bulky case on it which makes it even better.
As far as the camera goes... I have a Sony a7r iii for pictures. I will probably never even use the camera on the phone.
People that buy a "phone" and piss about not being able to take glamor shots with it are annoying.
I do play games though and I can definitely tell the difference between this device and my 6T. The 7Pro plays all my games amazingly.
I run 2 businesses with this device and have zero hiccups.
I don't have ghost touches.
I don't have a problem with curved screens.
Is it perfect?
Good enough for me.
Maybe not for you.
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My biggest problem is not the size of the phone but the thickness.
If it was the same thickness as my S10+ and maybe a tad lighter it would feel so much better in the hand.
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This is Rich as over the last couple years people have been screaming to make the phone a bit thicker to accommodate a larger battery as they'd rather have more battery life. Now people are b!tching about A SLIGHTLY thicker phone with a larger battery and it's only thicker by roughly 1mm!?!?
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This is Rich as over the last couple years people have been screaming to make the phone a bit thicker to accommodate a larger battery as they'd rather have more battery life. Now people are b!tching about A SLIGHTLY thicker phone with a larger battery and it's only thicker by roughly 1mm!?!?
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And yet the S10+ has a bigger battery.