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Realistic options for a replacement to the Moto X Pure

So I am getting sick of the battery life of this device and charging twice a day just to get by... the QC helps but it isn't always a viable option for someone who is on the road/travels a lot. I am probably going to go back to my Moto G 2015 for the time being as I could get a full days use most of the time on a single charge and just selling my MXPE.
But now the question comes up as what to replace it with... Moto G 5th gen, Blu Pure XR, ZTE Axon 7 Mini, or ???
My requirements are simple, or so I think...
1) 4+ hours SOT, preferably 5+, in mixed signal environment of WiFi/LTE/3G and sometimes without the best signal strength (for reference, I currently get about 2.5 hours on MXPE)
2) 5.2"-5.7" screen with 1080p minimum resolution
3) Stock Android, "near" stock, or simple UI (no TouchWiz, EMUI, ZenUI, or other bloated UI) that allows easy use of replacement launcher
4) 64GB internal storage or 32GB internal+microSD
5) 3GB or more of RAM
6) Full AT&T network compatibility (GSM 850/1900 and LTE Band 2/4/5/12/17 and optionally 29/30)
7) Nougat or Marshmallow with a Nougat upgrade "guaranteed"
8) 3.5mm headphone jack
9) Dual band WiFi - 2.4 & 5Ghz
10) $300USD or less
Would be nice, but not essential...
1) Unlockable bootloader (implies root/custom recovery/ROM development community)
2) Front facing speakers
3) NFC
4) USB 3.0
Absolute no no's are Samsung, Asus, or Huawei/Honor devices.
What else fits these requirements that I am not considering?

I believe the one phone that comes to mind that would fit most of your requirements is the Axon. I took a break from the MXPE (when it flew off my roof and died a horrible death in a rain storm) and had the Axon 7 (normal size) for about a month. You will get NEAR 4 hours of SoT, a qhd screen, 5.5 inches, relatively light for metal body. Unlockable bootloader and decent dev for it, last I checked. Things that bothered me/ pissed me off were that DTTW was laggy and slow, the actual cell service seemed to be really bad, possibly because of the full metal body phone, and the biggest annoyance - no backlit capacitive buttons, so you were left sort of blind in the dark trying to hit buttons. There is also no way through the build.prop to enable the on-screen buttons to bypass the issue at night, last I checked.
LG V20 could be an option too since it has a bootloader unlock now, 3.5-4.5 hours of SoT. I think it has a bottom bezel speaker though, which is a little weird, and as always the LG software has complaints. The dev is good enough to get around that though.
I'm in the same boat as you though. I've been looking pretty hard to find a new phone and the V20 is the only one I am really considering right now.

Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot

datchico305 said:
Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal

This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.

jason2678 said:
This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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That actually could be an option... I will investigate further.

acejavelin said:
Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.

xgerryx said:
If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol

acejavelin said:
I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.

xgerryx said:
Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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NEVER AGAIN!!! I refuse to drop $140 plus taxes and fees (realistically $160) for the service level I get now for $72 per month. Plus the limitations on devices, I would have to buy at least one new phone and/or go under contract. Nope, not happening. (Can you tell I have a grudge against Verizon, lol)

I would look around swappa for a OnePlus 3 or 3t it's worth it no bugs lag free and monthly updates it's already on nougat 7.1.1 and the beta builds they offer are great as well and development is great lots of greats ROMs and kernels and unlocking bootloader will not void warranty

TBH...I think you will have a hard time meeting all of your requirements right now. The market looks pretty dismal which is very unfortunate. I personally will hold out a little longer. I'm really looking hard at what Nokia/HMD are coming up with and hoping their roadmap for US devices includes a mid range device soon. So far their line up seems decent and if they are true to their word about expedient updates for Android, and they will sell devices with unlockable bootloaders at decent prices, I'll be sold.

moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow

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moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Like @acejavelin stated, Samsung is not an option, and I agree with him. Yes they have great hardware for the most part, but a less powerful processor running vanilla, our near vanilla Android will run just as well considering the lack of heavy handed UX. I will admit the phone looks great hardware and looks wise, but I personally don't like the look and feel of Samsung TW.

unitz0mbie said:
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Sammie's are to bloated... Every Samsung devices we have ever had has been problematic... Hope you enjoy yours though but I would never spend that kind of money on a phone.

I have a moto g5 plus as well, its pretty good. It's fast and smooth. Screen and camera are good too, but obviously not as good as the X style.

Yes mxpe battery sucks. I have to charge 2-3 times a day and am not even a heavy user. I know its more than your actual budget but better wait, save a bit more and probably the price will drop also and go for a OP 3T.

i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
there are barely very less phones which have dual front facing speakers.. market has got very saturated.. all look for flagship but they just don't think that having a good speakers is also a part of flagship project!
as per my personal opinion... this phone is just the best phone ive ever used (till 2015) but in upcoming era you will see more and more features
i will recommend you to wait and not hurry up to get a phone...
if you need a pure stock surely get nexus but just wait for new nexus phone.. maybe they might consider it as a flagship and the value might be cheap??
anyways if you're just asking for all the requirements my opinion (AXON 7) not just only for dual front facing speakers but also for the processor(sd 820),storage(64gb,6gb ram) expandable ovbio (256gb)
plot twist: has hybrid sim XD
but im legit that it'll be upgraded to android 'O'
but it cost around $350
think man.. public reviews are also good
it meets all the requirements but is as costly as mxpe

Sagar_1401 said:
i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
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Nougat can't "fix" our battery issue... Radio and display panel are hardware issues and that's where 75% of all battery drain is. It isn't even issues, it's just how much power they use normally. The SD808's radios are terribly inefficient, and the display panel uses more power than some small towns. If you think Nougat is going to noticably improve active use time, your kidding yourself.
To be honest, I might just pull my old Nexus 5 out if the drawer and switch to it... The battery life can't be much worse.
The sound aspect is less important. FF speakers are nice, but as long as I can hear a YouTube video in an average room and turn the ringer up enough u don't care.
I bought the MXPE as an upgrade to my G 2015 and it was on sale for under $250, and for the most part it is, I just didn't realize how bad the battery was, it is easily half of my G.

I got Axon 7 after X and can't be happier. I've had the A7 since August. Has the front speakers i wanted, nice beautiful Samsung screen. Battery is definitely better then X. Software was buggy at the beginning but they have improved it a lot. Axon 7 has been getting a lot of updates, doesn't mean it'll continue, we were the 1st ones to receive 7.0 with the exception of Google devices, and we are the only ones so far (afaik) to receive 7.1.1 with also the exception of Google devices.
It has its flaws but i love the phone. For the money you can't beat it. It's on sale now on newegg for $330.

Would you still buy a Pixel 3 today?

The reason I'm asking is that I'm looking to replace my Pixel 2, but it is not urgent. Right now, Google is offering $200 off a Pixel 3, which sounds like a good deal. However, they slyly have the sale ending on May 6, and on May 7 they will be announcing something new, which is of course rumored to be the Pixel 3a. So what to do?
I like all the features that the Pixel 3 has -- similar to my Pixel 2 actually -- but realistically I don't need or use a lot of them. For instance, nothing that I do requires the fastest processor out there; I don't really care what the case is made of since I put a bumper case on it right away; I use the camera mainly when traveling, but take fewer pictures than I used to; and I've taken about a half dozen selfies in my life!
So should I get a discounted 3 knowing that the 3a (IF that's what it is) might have something even better (like a bigger battery), or just forget it all and wait for the Pixel 4? What would you do?

So, I got a free upgrade to the pixel 3 from the pixel 2 in January and honestly, if its not urgent I wouldn't recommend doing it.
Yes the pixel 3 camera is better, but the 2's camera still takes pictures comparable to any flagship, and I can't personally see a difference in the pictures I take day to day.
In terms of UI, I'd actually say the pixel 2 provided a smoother experience, though I've never seen the devices side by side so can't say so for sure. (other people have also suggested this is true)
Major thing for me is that I've experienced worse battery performance, especially when on standby mode, which I think is due to pie, as when upgrading from oreo to pie on my pixel 2 I saw similar results.
And its likely that the pixel 3 will see a price drop once the next gen pixel line is out anyway, so if price is a concern, I don't see why you shouldn't just wait it out either way

rochrunner said:
The reason I'm asking is that I'm looking to replace my Pixel 2, but it is not urgent. Right now, Google is offering $200 off a Pixel 3, which sounds like a good deal....What would you do?
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Forget it. Wait until the Pixel 4. The P3 has a lot of problems with the display and for $650 with tax it's simply not worth it.

Thanks all for the intelligent, reasonable advice (hard to come by online these days!). I've decided to wait until the P4 is out since I can always fall back to whatever the May 7 product is, or a reduced P3. Price is not really a factor from an absolute standpoint, but I don't want to pay more for something that what it's worth to me. In any case, Fall is a much better time for me to get a new device since I'll be curtailing my summer activities by then and will be looking for something to occupy my time for a while.

No. I mostly love the phone but the lack of proper 60fps on the camera needing me to use 3rd party apps to get usable video kills it for me.

What I would do is buy a pixel 3 @ eBay with large discount and keep it for 4 years ?

I found these sealed, brand new in box Pixel 2 on eBay for incredibly cheap - just £275, claims to have extended 2 years warranty too (item number 293056131709). Want to buy Pixel 2 for my sister's birthday, but listing smells fishy - claims to post from Essex UK, but posting takes 14 days, so clearly the phones are not UK models and come from somewhere else. Previously I had 3 different Sony Z3c and last one wasn't UK model - very, very different quality product...

For my opinion just wait for pixel 4 im using pixel 3 now but so far i like smsung it just everything it better samsung s10 i had so many issue from pixel 3 camera bokeh not copletly good some reason doesn't perfect for 1 camera and software and some photos by google canot be open it was dispointing when you gonna uplod picture to intagram and the picture canot be open how do feel?
Speker does good but when you play music in half volume you will feel vibrant in back and your hand
Pixel 3 its small some time typo for me
Some issue in the screen greeny but mine still look ok but when you open color dark grey yiu will see thats green color show up
If i have change im gonna sell or switch this phone to samsung s10

I replaced a Nexus 6 with a Pixel 3. The wife has an original Pixel, and sees no reason up update to the 3. If I HAD to buy a phone today, I would still get the P3, but I sure would not upgrade from a P2 at this time. I don't think the 3a is going to have anything to offer you - I might look at getting my son one because the Moto X4 is getting long in the tooth, but would only consider it if in the $300 range.

IMO the 50% off deal from Fi last week (making the phone $399) was worth it, but I wouldn't do it for $200 off. The phone is under powered/slow. The 3a is going make a slow phone even slower, so definitely would avoid that like the plague.

mdmogren said:
IMO the 50% off deal from Fi last week (making the phone $399) was worth it, but I wouldn't do it for $200 off. The phone is under powered/slow. The 3a is going make a slow phone even slower, so definitely would avoid that like the plague.
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I got my Pixel 3 during that sale. For $429(tax included) this phone is so worth it at that price.

yes definitely.. can't see around another pretty compact phone as good as p3

Nope. Not at the current price. Average hardware and average form factor, regional software enhancements(call screen, etc great I'd you're n.america but ****.outaide of that), tons of continuing bugs and issues.
I'd wait and get the oneplus 7 where you're at least gonna get more bang for the buck

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Nope. Not at the current price. Average hardware and average form factor, regional software enhancements(call screen, etc great I'd you're n.america but ****.outaide of that), tons of continuing bugs and issues.
I'd wait and get the oneplus 7 where you're at least gonna get more bang for the buck
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op7 with edged screen? no thanks lol
I'm literally having 0 issues or problems with my p3, but that's maybe due to the fact I'm running custom...? ( i got rid of stock since day 1) dunno..

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op7 with edged screen? no thanks lol
I'm literally having 0 issues or problems with my p3, but that's maybe due to the fact I'm running custom...? ( i got rid of stock since day 1) dunno..
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Neither am I so far but lots of users are. It's not very good for Googles rep/the consumer to have as many issues as these phones have been having at such a high price point. They wanna be premium they need to offer it by doing better than what I previously mentioned.

For a good deal yes! I bought the p3 when it was half off. Phone has been very snappy despite having 3x less ram than my previous OnePlus 6t McLaren. But for full retail not worth it for me

Just traded my OP6 8/128 for a Pixel 3. Half the RAM Is the only thing that sometimes bother me on certain situations. But overall is really snappy, and the touch latency Is the best I've ever had on an android device... Camera is spectacular. But, if you have the Pixel 2 i wouldn't bother and wait for the P4.

Compare to S10/S10 Plus, I would say its good deal. So... Why not?

The 3a looks promising as well, maybe that's the more adequate purchase

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The 3a looks promising as well, maybe that's the more adequate purchase
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only problem is the front cam.. in regular p3 it is simply wonderful, in 3a it is a clear downgrade.. but if you don't use it that much no problem..

Oneplus 7 Pro or Oneplus 7

Anybody like me waiting for the Oneplus 7 to update?
Saw the 7 Pro in a shop today and it looks nice enough but the curved screen edges just waiting for damage. Oh and the selfie cam, if that retracts fully in time when dropped I will be well surprised.
The 7 Pro was right next to a Pixel 3xl and the screens looked very similar if I am honest for quality.
Anyway, wondering if anyone is waiting for the 7. No idea how OnePlus are going to market it now after pushing the 7 pro for so long.

Me too waiting for 7, not interested in Pro, at the price point they are advertising will gladly buy it
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If yiu have a OP6 stick with it, in my opinion both zre not worth trading.

I don't like the size and the pop-up cam on the OP7P and the OP7 (like the op6t) ugly and no notification led

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I don't like the size and the pop-up cam on the OP7P and the OP7 (like the op6t) ugly and no notification led
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And not headphone jack.
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Definitely not the pro with all the ghost touch issues most devices seem to have. The upgrade just feels to small from the 6 so I'm sitting this one out. Maybe next year, or I'll just swap brand entirely.

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Definitely not the pro with all the ghost touch issues most devices seem to have. The upgrade just feels to small from the 6 so I'm sitting this one out. Maybe next year, or I'll just swap brand entirely.
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Why would you want to swap brands? And which brand would you consider switching to? For me the op6 has been nothing but a positive experience. The op6 has everything I've ever wanted from a phone (besides the notch) but that's the only thing, and I can wait another year for an all screen phone no problem :good:

nighter ...
just wait fo K20... the OnePlus killer

Blunts47 said:
Why would you want to swap brands? And which brand would you consider switching to? For me the op6 has been nothing but a positive experience. The op6 has everything I've ever wanted from a phone (besides the notch) but that's the only thing, and I can wait another year for an all screen phone no problem :good:
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Will know when I swap, if I swap
Op6 is treating me well, on thing is customer support that bothers me. Seems they only care for those that buy it directly from them. Even tho if you buy it from a verified shop they really don't give a F.
A friend of mine had big issues with his motherboard, but had to go back and forth over 6 months. All they kept saying was reset the device with the tool they sent him. And so he did. Issues were still there (random reboots, sensors messed up so temperature readings was off..) I'm not sure how much 30 resets will help. Eventually the shop he got it from took care of it as a DOA (after 6 months lol)

Interesting times coming up. Baffled how they are going to market it.
"It's good but not as good as the Pro"???????

Blunts47 said:
Why would you want to swap brands? And which brand would you consider switching to? For me the op6 has been nothing but a positive experience. The op6 has everything I've ever wanted from a phone (besides the notch) but that's the only thing, and I can wait another year for an all screen phone no problem :good:
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I love the OP6. Im worried it will be the last good phone they will release. For me it depends on how much the continue on their new track of not giving the fans that made them what they are, what they ask for. And obviously if they lock anything down thats a deal breaker. And the bloat is really starting to creep in.

Asus Zenfone 6 all the way....
Seriosly thinking sell my OP6 and buy this one.....
Camera on OP (even 7Pro) is a joke.

It's really disappointing that they are no longer marketing to the people who built that brand, which are those looking for a good phone at a good value. They are getting a big head, like Google did when they killed the Nexus line and started selling the MUCH more expensive Pixel. Now they are coming back to making the "a" line, which is essentially a return to the Nexus model.
I really believe that OnePlus would be best off making the best phone that they can each year for $450-499 and a $550-599 "T" model .
I left the Nexus line for OnePlus and was going to leave OnePlus as well after the 5T until the OP6 went on Flash Sale on GearBest for 379.
However, perhaps that's just how I need to buy them from now on. I will wait until the next model comes out and wait for the previous model to go on sale.
So I think I will wait 6 months for when the new model is released around Christmas time and buy the OP7/7Pro.
I have been tempted to get the Pixel 3A XL but the OP6 is still a better device.

No desire to upgrade

My OnePlus 7 Pro is almost one and a half years old, the One Plus 8 Pro has a few more features but I have no desire to upgrade.
Any new phone will give me a bit of a faster processor but for me it is not worth over $1000.
What would it take you to upgrade ?

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I'm waiting for the OP 8 T Pro. Perhaps this one will be my future OP. My OP 7 Pro is fourteen months old.
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Another model with proper full screen. No notch, no punch hole. Then I'd consider.

OnePlus 7 pro is good enough for me, I'm waiting on 5g, Qualcomm's 5.0 100watt charging, or graphene batteries. They are down to 5 mm from 10 mm when s8 plus came out. Also RR rom is a powerhouse over OOS

djhulk2 said:
OnePlus 7 pro is good enough for me, I'm waiting on 5g, Qualcomm's 5.0 100watt charging, or graphene batteries. They are down to 5 mm from 10 mm when s8 plus came out. Also RR rom is a powerhouse over OOS
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You mean RR has way more options to customize the ROM than OOS or what?
Also... this a offtopic but could you quickly tell me whars ur average SoT in RR?
And do you if its possible to install Oneplus launcher to retain the live wallpapers?

Well I use it nonstop from 4 to 9pm almost every day...what I liked over stock OOS is the animation speed is faster and battery life increased. If 4 to 9 drains full charge of like 90% start then with RR I'm left with 10% battery life doing same thing. Sometimes phone would shut off because battery drained but that has not happened yet RR rom. 4 to 9 I'm driving around using gps

OnePlus 7 Pro is kinda perfect in all sense.
Camera can be improved,but it's fine with gcam.
Refresh rates above 90 can be nice(90 is still a lot better than 60 lol).
Snapdragon 865..hmm that's a beast but for average use we don't even utilise the full power of our 855 chip.Its gonna be more fluid,less stutters(not that I encounter them frequently with my device) but definitely not worth the price bump.
And yes I am never gonna consider notched displays..hate em,kinda ruins everything.Believe me I tried to get used to it with Xiaomi phones but hell no I can never get used to it.
Flat screens will be nice..I am getting lots of accidental touches.. especially around the corners.

Graphene batteries FTW

I really want those new Sammy phone's especially the flip phone 5g but the locked boots for T-Mobile is such a deal breaker...I love mods and ROMs so I'm torn because if I do get a new Sammy I will have to sell my OnePlus and my left arm to get one

My wife is an iPhone user, me op7pro.
She is very conscious about privacy and always comments that "at least with your phone you know when the front camera is on"
That is what will make me consider a newer phone...
Full screen use and a pop up camera.

I'll upgrade once they make another no notch phone.
Pop up selfie and full screen access is perfect for me

Waiting for the 9.

Couldn't agree more. This phone is an absolute killer. I normally go through phones every 6-12 months. I originally had the 6t, and when the 7pro launched I snagged it immediately. I had some financial troubles right after getting it, so I returned it and got my 6t up and running again. But for the few days that I had the 7pro, I was obsessed. The screen, outstanding. 90hz, awesome. Popup cam, tingled my inner nerd. Battery life, solid. Speed, damn quick. What more could I want???
Few months go by, money irons itself out, 7t launches. I promptly snag the 7pro again. I won't look back. Until a phone actually beasts what this phone brings to the table, then I'm good until this thing dies. I would need a screen with no notch or cutout (indisplay or popup), 120hz+, 5g, fast wireless charging, and a significant upgrade in rear camera HW to switch. Looking at you OP 10 pro.

idkwhothatis123 said:
Couldn't agree more. This phone is an absolute killer. I normally go through phones every 6-12 months. I originally had the 6t, and when the 7pro launched I snagged it immediately. I had some financial troubles right after getting it, so I returned it and got my 6t up and running again. But for the few days that I had the 7pro, I was obsessed. The screen, outstanding. 90hz, awesome. Popup cam, tingled my inner nerd. Battery life, solid. Speed, damn quick. What more could I want???
Few months go by, money irons itself out, 7t launches. I promptly snag the 7pro again. I won't look back. Until a phone actually beasts what this phone brings to the table, then I'm good until this thing dies. I would need a screen with no notch or cutout (indisplay or popup), 120hz+, 5g, fast wireless charging, and a significant upgrade in rear camera HW to switch. Looking at you OP 10 pro.
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I think the OnePlus 9 is about as soon as I would upgrade. even then, if Dual-SIM doesn't work it's a non-starter for me.

It's usually cheaper for me to upgrade every year then every 2 years at the resale value of a 1 year old OnePlus phone is really good. I lose about $100 on the phone resale probe to when I bought it new as my phone's are always mint when I sell them.
That said, this was the first time I didn't sell and buy a new OnePlus (bought the 5, 6 and 7pro). The loss of the full screen with no notch or punch hole is a deal breaker for me after having the 7 pro.
I was fine with a OnePlus phone with no wireless charging, OFFICIAL, IP rating to keep the price in the 600-700 price range. I will never pay 1k for a phone. I have the money, that not an issue, I just won't spend it on a phone.
So full screen with no notch or hole in display and 600-700 price or I'll just but year old used phones in the fire I guess. In the mean time, this phone still can't be showered down and with 256gb and 12gb ram it's pretty future proof, especially since OnePlus is known to do 3 versions of Android on the same device

I love this phone, I think I'll pass on the P7

As the title says, I think i'll be passing on the P7 and awaiting either the P7a (unlikely) or the P8.
The Pixel 5 just has everything I want in a "phone".
It's still fast enough that I don't get annoyed using it.
Read finger print.
Android 13 is running smoothly.
Battery life is probably better than on the P7, but no idea, but I'm still getting wonderful SOT.
Rear not made of glass.
Last phone of an era.

Completely agree! I jumped ship to Pixel 5 after a decade of exclusively buying Samsung Galaxy series. Perfect size and has more than enough power for my needs. If only they released another phone of the same size. If only.

Bought a Pixel 7 last week... currently thinking about returning it and keep my P5...

I'm in the market for a Pixel 5. For all the reasons @andybones outlined, plus as a backup. I got the 7 and like it more than 6. But now there's something new and ugly to be paranoid about with stories about shattering camera glass. Taking into account lame fingerprint readers, new Pixels seem to have lowest glass bidder written all over them.

I found a used "mint" condition P5 on Swappa.
I'll post about it once it arrives. "

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I'll post about it once it arrives.
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I'll do the same when mine gets here. I'm looking at Swappa and ebay reburbished.

I've had a Pixel 5 for a couple days now. First thing I noticed is that SIM unlock happens instantly where as 6 and 7 have to think about it for a few seconds. Same with wi-fi and cell connections. It may not be significant but 5's radio is definitely snappier on start up and no waiting for status bar icons. I'm sure a new Tensor has a more complex job than an older Snapdragon, but simpler is what I'm going for.
The phone shipped with Android 12, I flashed 13, now I'm thinking about taking it all the way back to 11. Any caveats I need to know about that?

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I've had a Pixel 5 for a couple days now. First thing I noticed is that SIM unlock happens instantly where as 6 and 7 have to think about it for a few seconds. Same with wi-fi and cell connections. It may not be significant but 5's radio is definitely snappier on start up and no waiting for status bar icons. I'm sure a new Tensor has a more complex job than an older Snapdragon, but simpler is what I'm going for.
The phone shipped with Android 12, I flashed 13, now I'm thinking about taking it all the way back to 11. Any caveats I need to know about that?
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Nice review.
I've been using mine also for a few days.
It's great. Perfect condition.
Only thing is battery capacity I'm not sure where it's at. On my old 5 it was at like 90% and i was getting easily 8-10 hour SOT.
Im on my 3rd charge and I got about 6 hour SOT and accurately said 73% battery health. But I'm praying it just needs time but we'll see. This charge is doing a little better. I was used to getting an hour /10% battery..
But for $198 perfect condition P5 I'm quite happy. It should easily last me until the P8. Which I'm hoping will have a smaller close to P5 size.
I used the P7 in store for first time and yes it is awesome. But I would of bought new and it would be about $540. So I think I made a god choice. I'm also hoping google does good trade in deals again next year.. though I really do need a backup device.
Ohh man I rode A11 until A13 came out. Completely skipped A12. I used crDrood A11 ROM, and it was very stable.
I don't think I could go back though.
Besr of luck!

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...I'm quite happy. It should easily last me until the P8. Which I'm hoping will have a smaller close to P5 size.
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I read that Pixel 8 will be small. It would be nice if it also trended away from a glass back, but that's probably wishful thinking.
I don't have a clear picture of my P5's battery health either. So far it seems good enough, definitely not bad. I did a second charge today. Mine is in really nice shape too, so hopefully this means the battery had an easy life before I got it.
Good luck with yours too!

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As the title says, I think i'll be passing on the P7 and awaiting either the P7a (unlikely) or the P8.
The Pixel 5 just has everything I want in a "phone".
It's still fast enough that I don't get annoyed using it.
Read finger print.
Android 13 is running smoothly.
Battery life is probably better than on the P7, but no idea, but I'm still getting wonderful SOT.
Rear not made of glass.
Last phone of an era.
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I'm totally with you on this. I was pondering whether to buy a P7 or not for absolutely ages, but gave in and bought a unopened sealed one for £400, played with it for about 3 hours in my house and could not work out what all the hype is about with the P7, I noticed very little difference between it and my P5, possibly the camera, but the camera on my P5 is perfect for what I use it for. And I totally love the physical size of my P5. I did like the phone to phone transfer using the cables, it transferred absolutely everything, including all my short cuts to various websites, Forums etc. They have not yet mastered keeping the same ringtones etc, but I was still impressed. Anyway, cut a long story short, I have now got the P7 out of my head, sold it for exactly what I paid for it and I am keeping my bullet proof 100% reliable P5 until possibly the P7a or P8, depending on size of phone, but if Google don't do a phone at 6.1" or less, I'll possibly have to switch over to Samsung.

I just ordered up a Pixel 7, free upgrade and my Pixel 5 is showing it's age. I'm not the easiest on my stuff and working on a diamond drill doesn't help my cause at all

P5 is the last good phone ever made.
If I were you, I'd get another one while you can still find it, in case you break it, loose it etc.
All the new phones are huge now, Pixel 5 is the smallest.
And cases are made of fragile glass on almost all phones now, on Pixel is aluminium and you can still wireless charge because of the hole in the middle!
And fingerprint sensor is actually usable on P5 because it's where it should be, not on the side/buttons, under the screen and other awkward places like on most phones.
And you get quite a lot of RAM that should make the phone last years.
Only down-side on P5 for me is the big screen resolution. I find anything above 720p a waste of battery life, because there is no visual difference for the eyes. But battery life is not that bad, if you only use it casually you can get 2-3 days of battery life
Just wondering, has anyone noticed issues with Android 13 compared to Android 11, on P5?
Usually I avoid updates like plague, I disable them completely and keep apps until they don't run anymore and force me to update them. What is annoying on P5 is that every few days it shows up a popup prompting me to update Android and it's only a matter of time until I click OK by mistake

@andybones, no reason to upgrade if you like the hardware/firmware you got and its fulfilling its mission. Constant firmware upgrades/updates aren't needed for Android 9 or higher in my opinion. Replace batteries as needed... easy living.

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@andybones, no reason to upgrade if you like the hardware/firmware you got and its fulfilling its mission. Constant firmware upgrades/updates aren't needed for Android 9 or higher in my opinion. Replace batteries as needed... easy living.
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About battery replacement...
My previous phone was OnePlus 7 Pro, and OnePlus could replace battery under the warranty and free od charge during two year warranty for the device. I don't know how it is now after merge with Oppo.
How about Google? Battery replacement is done under the warranty just like it was with OnePlus or Google will charge some money? If so, do you know how much?

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About battery replacement...
My previous phone was OnePlus 7 Pro, and OnePlus could replace battery under the warranty and free od charge during two year warranty for the device. I don't know how it is now after merge with Oppo.
How about Google? Battery replacement is done under the warranty just like it was with OnePlus or Google will charge some money? If so, do you know how much?
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No, but probably not that bad. I run Samsung N10+'s and I doubt it's worse than them. Watch a tear down vid. I've gotten one of these done for $50, next one I'll probably do myself.
Regardless replace the battery when it drops to 80% of its original capacity. Just routine maintenance, no big fuss.

well I have a P7 on the way,
Cracked my P5 screen,
I'll probably take the $50 or so from Google and get the P7a once out and trade p7 or p7a in fir p8..

I'm still using my Pixel 2XL, thought about upgrading many times but the phone just keeps working.
Yesterday I saw ebay deal for Pixel 5 128GB for $110 and have ordered it, should be a decent ugrade I think, at least I'll try newest Android.

I'm completely with you guys. I love and live my P5. The P6 of my mom feels so bulky in comparison, more like a brick. I also don't get why there is no political or scientific pressure/argument for lighter phones <150 g instead of 200+ g. It has to be more healthy for our wrists.
In addition I had some experience with battery capacity and aging of it.
If you have root access or able to use some terminal executions (e.g. adb), you can read out your remaining full charge capacity of your Pixel.
These number will give you a scope of what's going on, but will not be accurate.
For my case, I use root to limit max charging state (at 75 %) and shut of below 20 %. Also I can limit the charging current by software. In all day usage I stay between 60 and 50 %, as I have a wireless charger on every desk at work and home.
So long story short. I was getting my battery replaced by Google in a case of warranty (I was getting a entirely new unit as replacement because I shuttered my camera glass/lense.
The bms of the battery counts charging cycles and remaining full charge capacity (see file /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent).
All I can say is that this number of remaining capacity (health state) is quite manipulative. Brand new capacity was 4100 mAh with 3 cycles. Now I have 3500 mAh after 218 cycles in 11 month's. If I would charge my P5 now several times to 100 % SOC and drain it to zero, the bms would learn and this count of 3531 mAh would climb again to much more then that.
For long term reasons I will not do several 100-0-100 SOC cycles for you. You all can imagine that it will hurt the lithium cells more than it will help to know the exact figure.
All in all I can ask a friend with a P5 which readouts he will get, he doesn't use this battery charging restrictions.
Btw, if your remaining capacity will drop below 80 % in warranty time, Google will replace your battery for free. Otherwise you can't initiate a changing of battery by yourself at Google, not even for some fees.
But if you really concerned, there are original batteries to order here in Germany, disassembly process is not that hard to do.
In my opinion don't take too much concerns about your battery. A friend of me has a OnePlus 6 since Release (close to 5 years ago) and charges every night to 100 % with a old Sony 7,5 W charger. He is on its original equipped battery and still has enough SOT for 1 day usage and criticises it's battery life some time ago. But as we know, there is no alternative to older, smaller smartphones without glass backside as our P5 oder OP6.
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Full charge capacity / charging cycles / date of read
4228 1 14.05.2022
4186 2
4180 2
4178 4
4136 7
4110 10
4115 19 12.06.2022
4035 26 23.06.2022
4039 31 30.06.2022
3981 47 22.07.2022
4006 51 28.07.2022
3531 218 31.03.2023
3623 225 08.04.2023
P.S. I'm still on A11 for design reasons, I don't like the bubble UI of A12+. Where is my usable workspace left? Notifications area and app drawer specially and where would my WiFi on/off toggle switch gone? What was wrong with this dedicated button to get rid of it in A12?
Edit: like I said, I did a single 100%-0%-100% cycle and the bms recognised this in better trained capacity. It jumped from 3531 to 3623 mAh (compare with table above).
So don't take this numbers too serious, as it it the same battery lithium cell and the numbers are all over the place.

Friends i heard pixel 5 has heating issues, how is it on newer versions of android and can we balance it with custom roms. I like compact phones and can't really find one these days in decent budget. I am planning to buy a P5 hoping custom rom support would last for few more years but little concerned about heating. Is it natural for P5 to heat or can we lower it with better roms?, ur response would help. Thanks dears.

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Friends i heard pixel 5 has heating issues, how is it on newer versions of android and can we balance it with custom roms. I like compact phones and can't really find one these days in decent budget. I am planning to buy a P5 hoping custom rom support would last for few more years but little concerned about heating. Is it natural for P5 to heat or can we lower it with better roms?, ur response would help. Thanks dears.
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I have this phone for over year now mostly running on custom ROMs (currently CrDroid v7.25, Android 11). A lot of games, YouTube, a ton of phone calls etc. and I haven't notice any issues with heating. Of course, phone is warmer during heavier games or something, as it should be, but nothing extreme.