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Moto X Pure/Style vs Google Pixel Phone XL

So we had a nice discussion last year, comparing the Pure/Style against Google's 6P. Now, since the Google Pixel Phone XL has been announced. Let's discuss, compare and chat about next moves.
Although I've had my MXPE long enough to want something new. I'm not changing this year. The Pixel Phone pricing is insane. Maybe next year. But Google wants to have an iPhone and I didn't go Android to get into iPhone pricing, or at least not a year after buying a MXPE.
The Pixel Phone camera is awesome, unlimited native file storage is fantastic, the image stabilization is incredible. And I'm sure, it will be even better, next year :laugh: . Direct quick updates from Google is very nice too.
The MXPE does have expandable storage, which the Pixel Phone does not have :good: . I also enjoy Moto Actions.
So take the poll and let's chat.

I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.

sooyong94 said:
I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.
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Good points. Google is going to learn, the consumers for "their" products are not Apple or Samsung types. I thought they would have learned with the Pixel C, which is not flying off the shelves. But I suspect a more reasonably priced phone come 2017.
And the MXPE has Moto Display .

I read from phonearena that unlocked version will be available on Google Play Store...

I agree the specs are not that impressive but also how much more crazier can phone manufacturer's can get with spec wise what we need is a phone that doesn't cut ends like battery life or crappy camera or bad software and something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg we have so many good phones out there but always has something that's not so great if companies start listening to what the consumer wants and like and builds a phone from consumer perspective and not just trying to compete with other manufacturer's

iPhones hold their value. Android phones do not. In a year the Pixel will be available on Prime Day for $299 or so I suspect.

j37hr0 said:
iPhones hold their value. Android phones do not. In a year the Pixel will be available on Prime Day for $299 or so I suspect.
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Not exactly iphones are way behind in the game compared to android they just now started water proofing their phones and put dual front facing speakers android devices has had these for a while now and the battery life simply does not compare and price drops are actually a good selling point as well nobody wants to pay retail price for a a two year old device

Good for people who wait a year. Bad for people who buy at launch. I'm not going to argue tech, because frankly it's not what I was addressing.
What I'm saying is:
Buy and iphone and launch, resell a year later at 25% depreciation and get the new iPhone for a minimum out of pocket cost.
Buy a Pixel at launch resell a year later at 75% depreciation and pay for the new pixel with much more out of pocket cost.
I was going to maybe get the pixel, Why I've been holding off. I'm underwhelmed. I ordered a 32 GB 5X and will be giving my Moto X Pure to my girlfriend to replace her Nexus 4.

I'll keep my MXPE thru Nougat and then move on. I want to see how these Pixel Phones are received over the next few months.

I just priced a Pixel XL with equivalent size and storage to my MXPE. The device would cost $869.00 and then since I have MotoCare, it would cost an extra $99 for Google's coverage. $968 total. And then, the Google coverage has a $99 deductible if I need a replacement. Wow, that would be over $1K. I feel like I was hit with a lightening bolt, and I was just checking a scenario I have no intentions of doing .

Just saw a hands-on review and they showed the double-twist to launch the camera, that's one of the big feature for me. Cool, I didn't know they have it by default...

This was a really disappointing launch in my opinion, and I see no incentive to buy this phone at all.
-huge bezels
-no dual front facing speakers
-no expandable storage
-no removable battery
-locked bootloader
-only 2 years of software support
-iphone-esque copycat appearance
-ridiculous pricetag
For a phone that was supposedly google's proper answer to the iphone, it has quite a lot of drawbacks.

Let's not forget updates - it's even painful to see a lowly, nearly 2-year-old Galaxy A5 receiving Marshmallow (along with the latest security updates) faster than Google...
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HaggisIV said:
This was a really disappointing launch in my opinion, and I see no incentive to buy this phone at all.
-huge bezels
-no dual front facing speakers
-no expandable storage
-no removable battery
-locked bootloader
-only 2 years of software support
-iphone-esque copycat appearance
-ridiculous pricetag
For a phone that was supposedly google's proper answer to the iphone, it has quite a lot of drawbacks.
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Even funnier still Samsung (which gets a lot of flak from the Android community) did best (apart from exploding Note 7s) in the Android ecosystem so far... Heck their 'slow updates' are a thing of the past....
To add salt to the injury even a 3 year old+ Galaxy S4 has the September security update...

Looking at the spec comparison of the 2 devices on GSM Arena. The Pixel XL is not that far ahead of the MXPE, when you consider the price difference. Especially now, with the MXPE being on sale these days.
As much as I have said for years, "I'm getting a Nexus/Google Phone next..." It seems every time, a 3rd Party OEM comes with a great Android Device, that stalls me from going Nexus/Google. I did transform my HTC One to a "Google Edition" and that was fun. But that's the closest I've come to a true Google phone. And now, I'm not sure I may ever have a Google Phone at this rate. If they keep these crazy prices up next year, I suspect some 3rd Party OEM will get my money again.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Looking at the spec comparison of the 2 devices on GSM Arena. The Pixel XL is not that far ahead of the MXPE, when you consider the price difference. Especially now, with the MXPE being on sale these days.
As much as I have said for years, "I'm getting a Nexus/Google Phone next..." It seems every time, a 3rd Party OEM comes with a great Android Device, that stalls me from going Nexus/Google. I did transform my HTC One to a "Google Edition" and that was fun. But that's the closest I've come to a true Google phone. And now, I'm not sure I may ever have a Google Phone at this rate. If they keep these crazy prices up next year, I suspect some 3rd Party OEM will get my money again.
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At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.

HaggisIV said:
At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.
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I have the same feeling... What about Nexus 6p? Is it worth switching to? Especially on the camera department, want something better in low light and it seems 6p seems pretty good there? What would I be missing though switching from MXPE to 6p?

I think you should add "other" to the poll.
Like most said here, the Pixels are ridiculously expensive. I personally would not put another rmb into Lenovarola's hands due to horrible support.
I am waiting on deals on the 128gb Nexus 6p. If I can get one around $450, that is the phone I would buy. I will miss the removable storage but I think that is about it.

If I were you I would never change snap808 device to 810. Snap 808/810 are worst cpus from qualcomm. Just wait for good priced snap 820 devices.

sooyong94 said:
I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.
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No wireless charging!
Honestly, I'm not against with the higher price, because Google can also have it's own flagship
However, this pixel device is not worth what we are paying for.
Just like sony xz, excuse me? 3gb RAM for a $699 phone?
Although pixel have the specs every Android flagship supposed to have, still lacking of some breathtaking feature.

HaggisIV said:
At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.
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I agree, I don't like where Lenovo is taking things either. I figure worst case next year, I'll get some T-Mobile USA branded device and get WiFi calling back. Or maybe keep the MXPE a 3rd year, but given the slow updates, I doubt we may see any updates after 2 years. I just hope we have better options next year.
namartlu said:
I have the same feeling... What about Nexus 6p? Is it worth switching to? Especially on the camera department, want something better in low light and it seems 6p seems pretty good there? What would I be missing though switching from MXPE to 6p?
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This thread has plenty of discussion about that: Moto X Pure vs Nexus 2015

Get the pixel or not

I like this phone but I don't know if i like it enough to have it for 2 years. With the iphone 8 and the Samsung s8 or note 8 coming next year makes me want to wait. I don't like how it doesn't have wireless charging and it doesn't have the camera stabilizer for taking pics, also no water protection. So with the people that have this phone please tell me what you think of it. Thabks all.

Wait. You are setting yourself up for a disappointment with all that you see wrong with the device before even buying it. And the price will drive you nuts with those shortcomings you find objectionable.

racer0018 said:
I like this phone but I don't know if i like it enough to have it for 2 years. With the iphone 8 and the Samsung s8 or note 8 coming next year makes me want to wait. I don't like how it doesn't have wireless charging and it doesn't have the camera stabilizer for taking pics, also no water protection. So with the people that have this phone please tell me what you think of it. Thabks all.
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Here's a suggestion - make up your own mind instead of relying on other people. Not everyone has to like the same things for the same reasons.

Come on guys, I think you're being unfair. All of us who have bought the phone ought to write a review every time somebody is thinking about buying one and can't be bothered to read the comments and reviews already posted here and on youtube.

Realistically every phone is going to have certain shortcomings, and to me the Pixel looks like first-generation hardware with a top-tier asking price. After seeing the Pixel, I decided to buy the iPhone 7. That's when I found out Apple doesn't provide anything like an LED or ambient display to indicate waiting notifications. That one issue is worth the cost of a return for me, but apparently it's also acceptable to the people that bought the billion previous iPhones. The Pixel checks a lot of items off my interest list, and it misses some. Like other phones available today and in the future, there are areas where the Pixel does and does not compare favorably with other options. Ultimately I think it cost me $35 to find out that an LED notification is more personally important than waterproofing, image stabilization, or wireless charging.

I've been with Android since the HTC Droid Eris. Things are advancing so rapidly now, it is worse that trying to buy an up to date PC back in the day...by the time you got home someone had the specs of your brand new toy beat. It seems even worse now with smartphones. I find myself getting ever closer to a phone that tick all my wants. However, when that starts happening, everybody will keep the phone they have for two years instead of getting a new one every year. That won't help the sales plateau smartphones seem to be in. Today you have to be prepared for the phone you buy today to be one tier behind in a very short time. Just the way it is.
I have to say my new Pixel is the best smartphone I have ever used and it is not even close. I retired an LG V10. The V10 is about as far behind the Pixel as the Galaxy S4 was behind the V10. No it is not perfect, but no other top tier phone today is perfect either. If the Pixel is judged to be too expensive, then so are the rest of the top tier brands.
I'd say get it. Be careful with it and return it if you have some issue.

I have read tons or reviews but here is the thing, those reviews are a lot of the time done by people that wrote for a living and not the average person that is going to use this phone. Most of the time they write these reviews because they get all new phones shipped to them for free and not the average person that gets a new phone once every 2 years. I guess in all, I know what the reviews say and the YouTube videos look like but I wanted to know what the average person says about the phone. Not the expert says about the phone. Thabks.

racer0018 said:
I like this phone but I don't know if i like it enough to have it for 2 years. With the iphone 8 and the Samsung s8 or note 8 coming next year makes me want to wait. I don't like how it doesn't have wireless charging and it doesn't have the camera stabilizer for taking pics, also no water protection. So with the people that have this phone please tell me what you think of it. Thabks all.
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Youre gonna wait every 6 months... Pixel 2 next year..
Personally I hold out until the next phone I buy has significant upgrades..
I went from Nexus 4 to Nexus 6 to LG G4 to LG v10 (I fell for the 2nd screen gimmick, but it wasnt anything more over the G4), skipped LG G5, skipped Nexus 6p, considered One plus 3, but Pixel Xl filled a few of the most important boxes for me.
Hype, bandwagon, fantastic screen that turns iPhone/samsung owner's heads, accessories, accessories, super active community, fast, fast loading camera ready to take a picture, unlimited cloud, build quality, looks and balance.
I'm hoping assistant, gps and navigation will work well as I use them a lot and most phones have worked ok, but fail..
Im still waiting on my preorder....

I am happy with T-Mobile giving a 325 dollar credit for this phone, so it's totally worth it for me.
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Yup it is missing those, but if these bother you then don't buy it because it is an expensive phone and if you are not 100% satisfied with what it is offering then yep wait for the next big thing.
For me currently this is the best phone out there satisfying all my needs and desires, and also it was time to replace my aging Nexus 5. Loving the pixel

I'm in a boat whether to buy this phone or not.. Between pixel, oneplus 3 or xiaomi mi note 2. Not sure how roms will be for the pixel, so will wait and see how that pans out and reviews for the MI note 2

LPHS said:
Yup it is missing those, but if these bother you then don't buy it because it is an expensive phone and if you are not 100% satisfied with what it is offering then yep wait for the next big thing.
For me currently this is the best phone out there satisfying all my needs and desires, and also it was time to replace my aging Nexus 5. Loving the pixel
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See that is a worthwhile upgrade. I went to an n5x so the pixel is not worth the cost. It just depends on where you're coming from.
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chrisinsocalif said:
I am happy with T-Mobile giving a 325 dollar credit for this phone, so it's totally worth it for me.
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Same here! I was going to pass on the Pixel because of the price but with that promo, I ordered two for me and the missus. A Pixel for $325 is an amazing deal!

bobby janow said:
See that is a worthwhile upgrade. I went to an n5x so the pixel is not worth the cost. It just depends on where you're coming from.
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Exactly what I thought, I almost purchased a 5x but decided to wait for the next nexus, didn't know that time that it was going to be a pixel, but yeah for me it is worth the upgrade. If i had purchased the 5x then I am pretty sure I would be in the same boat as you, lol for me even the freakin fingerprint scanner is an upgrade

To the op and others undecided. I think some have already covered it but I'll put in my $.02
I'm different than most that posted here. I like to buy/sell when new devices come out. There is no perfect phone for anyone. I also am not biased towards android or apple.
I have recently used moto x, moto x 2nd gen, htc m9, sony z3 compact, oneplus3, iphones 5s,6,6s,&7/7+
I'm currently using the oneplus 3, iphone 7, and just got the pixel yesterday.
All these phones have there advantages/disadvantages as previously mentioned.
There will always be something better around the corner. If you keep waiting, you'll be waiting forever. If you need a phone right now, best options in my opinion are the pixel, oneplus3, iphone 6s or 7, but that depends on your needs too. If you don't need a phone right now wait it out till you do.
Phones are somewhat similar to pcs right now. They are not really getting any faster for typical use, just better cameras typically and a few different options in the os.
The oneplus 3 imo is the best 5.5" android phone for the money. It's almost perfect for my needs but comes with some minor bugs and not the best speakers for music. $400, can't be beat by any phone and is the fastest android phone out i believe. It is faster than the pixel.
Pixel is a great phone. Fingerprint sensor location takes some getting used to. Android 7 and pixel launcher are nice but come with some bugs and lack of options. Phone can be laggy at times during normal use. Great deal if you get in on the t-mobile promo. I don't like the big top/bottom bezels but i can live with it. With future updates, this could be my new close to perfect phone.
IPhone 7 is nice but overhyped. Iphone 6s is just as good. Iphone 7 speakers and camera slightly better, maybe slightly faster but nothing like Apple claims.
You need to decide what you really want then pick the phone that best fits for the price you want yo pay.
If you want a cheap avg android phone, go with the oneplus 3. It's a great price and competes with the high end phones extremely well. Otherwise pony up. There are limited choices for a decent priced phone anymore and definitely typically come with drawbacks that I'm not willing to sacrifice.
Best of luck

I currently have the Samsung s7. I'm on Verizon. I ordered a pixel from Google because with the financing you can pay it off early. On Verizon Device payment plan you have to pay monthly or just pay the entire phone off at once.
I've been reading reviews and got impatient and ordered the phone from Verizon. I saw were you could get 20% off with the Save20 code but it didn't work for me because of my corporate discount. However, Verizon is giving trade in value for any phone. If I traded in my S7 I could get $300 but I want to keep it in case I don't like the pixel.
What I did was buy an iPhone 4 from ebay for $30. Verizon gave me a $200 credit for that phone and I ordered the 128gb pixel. So I got that phone for 750-200+30=$580. I think I paid $650 for my Nexus 6P 64gb last year.
Options that Verizon and tmobile offer make it a no brainer to get this phone. I think if Google had released this phone to all carriers or when they do you will have many people buying and loving this phone. That is the problem. Not what the phone is missing it's because people don't want to pull the trigger because of the price.
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andyfoster said:
Come on guys, I think you're being unfair. All of us who have bought the phone ought to write a review every time somebody is thinking about buying one and can't be bothered to read the comments and reviews already posted here and on youtube.
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LOL. Thanks mate, you made my day!

I'm am average user but love pure android and had nearly all the Nexus phones and coming from the 6p to the pixel, have to say love it. Great camera, faster better in low light, phone is bonkers quick with excellent battery life and very crisp clear screen. Also easier to handle than my 6p. Very expensive but worth it? Just about.
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Is the Pixel 2 still worth getting??

Hi I would like to ask pixel 2 users their opinion on if the device is still worth buying, as due to my contract only being due to finish next month i have been unable to get it earlier, so if you were me coming from the nexus 5x at this point in time would you get the pixel 2 ??
Thanks in advance for your opnions.

kevtrysmoddin said:
Hi I would like to ask pixel 2 users their opinion on if the device is still worth buying, as due to my contract only being due to finish next month i have been unable to get it earlier, so if you were me coming from the nexus 5x at this point in time would you get the pixel 2 ??
Thanks in advance for your opnions.
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Just upgraded from the Droid turbo yesterday.
It is a very zippy device, I'm pretty happy with it thus far.
If I had my pick, I would probably have gone htc u11 but it is fairly pricy.
My second affordable choice to the pixel 2 was htc10. If you get it and you are Verizon be sure to unlock the bootloader before updating.

mrkhigh said:
Just upgraded from the Droid turbo yesterday.
It is a very zippy device, I'm pretty happy with it thus far.
If I had my pick, I would probably have gone htc u11 but it is fairly pricy.
My second affordable choice to the pixel 2 was htc10. If you get it and you are Verizon be sure to unlock the bootloader before updating.
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I'm in the UK so I should be ok there thank you for your feedback

It is definitely worth the upgrade. In fact, I also own a galaxy s8 (through work) and much prefer to use my pixel 2. I'm rooted and unlocked, though that doesn't add a whole lot to phones anymore. I have magisk, viper4android, and a few tweaks (still passing safetynet) but even without that it's still an awesome phone!

trimax84 said:
It is definitely worth the upgrade. In fact, I also own a galaxy s8 (through work) and much prefer to use my pixel 2. I'm rooted and unlocked, though that doesn't add a whole lot to phones anymore. I have magisk, viper4android, and a few tweaks (still passing safetynet) but even without that it's still an awesome phone!
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Thanks I run a similar set up on my Nexus 5x so that's great to hear

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Thanks I run a similar set up on my Nexus 5x so that's great to hear
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Yes it's worth it. I bought a pixel 2 and a pixel 2xl. I much prefer the smaller one. The bigger one has no display issue to complain about. But the smaller one it's just nice in the hands and in the pocket.

I went from a Nexus 5x to the Pixel 2 and the difference wasn't minor. The Pixel is very fast and smooth, battery life is amazing in comparison. It didn't take much for the 5x to turn to off cores for thermal protection. In my opinion its like the old saying " the difference is like night and day ". I don't believe there is another premium device with a 5" screen that competes with the Pixel 2. If your like me and don't want a larger device and want a premium phone the Pixel 2 is the best option.
A lot of people criticize the Pixel for not having a head phone jack, don't like using a dongle. I've got some very high end headphones IMO the sound quality of the Pixel 2 kills the Nexus 5x. Give me a choice of a head phone jack with the sound quality of the Nexus 5x or using a dongle with the Pixel 2, it's not a choice, give me the dongle. I picked up some cheap Bluetooth ear buds for going wireless when I'm in the waiting room of a doctors office etc. and find them a lot more convenient than more expensive wired ear buds.
I had a Nexus 5, upgraded to the 5x,, basically the difference was fairly minor, excluding the camera. Going from the 5x to the pixel 2 the difference was huge in comparison. I don't mean to imply the Pixel 2 is the best device made, there are other very nice premium options of you don't mind a larger device.
Good luck with your decision.

I just upgraded yesterday. I had an iPhone 8 Plus and ordered the Pixel 2. I know the iPhone benchmarks higher but the Pixel 2 feels faster in almost everything I do with it. The only negative I've encountered to date is the lower battery life. It's not going to mess with me getting through a day or anything, but it's seems quite a bit lower than the 8 plus was. However, I think the sound on the Pixel 2 is better and the size is way easier to handle.

I currently own a oneplus one and thinking of upgrading to the pixel 2, my only issue was if the battery life would be good as its 2700 and my oneplus has 3100. going to get it this weekend hopefully i wont be too disappointed, looking fwd to the pure android exp.

v1ks said:
I currently own a oneplus one and thinking of upgrading to the pixel 2, my only issue was if the battery life would be good as its 2700 and my oneplus has 3100. going to get it this weekend hopefully i wont be too disappointed, looking fwd to the pure android exp.
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My Droid turbo had a very large battery in it. (3700mah? I think) it's not as good, but it is holding up better than I expected. I'm a pretty heavy user and I'm making it through a normal work day. I'm sure on the weekends I will have to charge half through the day

mrkhigh said:
My second affordable choice to the pixel 2 was htc10. If you get it and you are Verizon be sure to unlock the bootloader before updating.
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I am going to browse vzw soon and the Pixel 2 xl is one of my main choices.
Do you think I'll have the opportunity to not update and unlock the bootloader beforehand? In my mind I'm assuming vzw wants that device to leave the store on the latest software.
Thx!

The xl is not unlockable.
But I imagine if you get the pixlel2 you can just flat tell them I just want it in the box unopened. It'll say the update by the way on the side of the box.
You are the customer gain your product the way you desire it or do not pay.

Just upgraded from a LG G5. It seems great so far. Only 2 software upgrades in 2 years on the G5 was so very frustrating. I already have a pixel c, so comparing that experience, I am really looking forward to monthly updates.

With the random issues of the pixel 2 probably not unless you really need a new phone. I'd just wait till the pixel 3 and see what happens. After own the 2 for several months I can say if I could go back I'd just have kept my pixel 1. Worked great and had a headphone jack.

mikeprius said:
With the random issues of the pixel 2 probably not unless you really need a new phone. I'd just wait till the pixel 3 and see what happens. After own the 2 for several months I can say if I could go back I'd just have kept my pixel 1. Worked great and had a headphone jack.
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What issues?

I'm runnning a NEXUS 5 which is a nice phone, but a bit slow and with a not so great cam.
Due to several reason I've got a Huawei Mate 9 and a Pixel 2 XL as replacement devices.
I really like the Mate, because of build quality, form factor, dual sim, SD, and the really nice screen.
Sadly the camera is not so perfect as the Pixel's one and, even worse, the selfie cam is really crappy.
So the Pixel is fine (not to comfortable in the hand), but the display is really so disappointing.
The white point is far off and the blue tint really strong.
Totally crap, compared to the prixe tag.

Pixel 2 is pricey... If you want to buy a phone at this price point, I don't think there is a better one to get with a "small" display. The display is great, no blue tint, no burn in, that's a pixel 2Xl problem. The speakers are almost the best you can get (razor seems the best), better then the Nexus 6p I owned. Speed is really fluid, it's fast and fluid. My Nexus 6p was fast but not always fluid(apple style). This one does! Battery is good, can get through the day at 3 to 5 SOT with almost everything on, AOD, now playing (nice feature), gps, connected to smartwatch, WiFi auto off with Tasker profile, adaptive brightness at 25% (it's not that dark at this value,I like a bit brightness). Camera is really really really great, photos are fantastic, portrait mode is unbelievable, video OIS and EIS are superb! I still have to get used to edge sense. I can't use it in my country in Dutch to activate Google Assistant so I rooted and use it now for flashlight, camera, scrolling etc. But that's a tough learn for me... Only 2 downsides of this phone are the high price (lot of phones are way too expensive in my opinion) and the lack of 3,5mm Jack...

Switch from Pixel 2 XL

Hey guys I'm thinking of switching from the Pixel 2 XL to the OnePlus 6.
Some of the reasons I'm thinking of switching is that I miss having the headphone jack. It's gotten quite annoying not having it. I don't take many pictures, so I'm not too concerned with the camera downgrade. Price is definitely a big deal. I can sell my Pixel on Swappa and essentially break even. If I wait til the Pixel 3 and trade mine in, I still have to come up with 300-400 to upgrade. If I switch the the OnePlus 6, I'm getting the latest specs, extra RAM at pretty much no cost.
What do you guys think? Wanna help me decide?

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Hey guys I'm thinking of switching from the Pixel 2 XL to the OnePlus 6.
Some of the reasons I'm thinking of switching is that I miss having the headphone jack. It's gotten quite annoying not having it. I don't take many pictures, so I'm not too concerned with the camera downgrade. Price is definitely a big deal. I can sell my Pixel on Swappa and essentially break even. If I wait til the Pixel 3 and trade mine in, I still have to come up with 300-400 to upgrade. If I switch the the OnePlus 6, I'm getting the latest specs, extra RAM at pretty much no cost.
What do you guys think? Wanna help me decide?
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I came from the HTC U Ultra, and for me atleast the One Plus turned out to be a really good investment. I also switched in part to the Headphone jack, and extra RAM. I do like he the phone so far, and found the camera to be on par with my HTC phone if not a bit better. The only complaint I have is I find the speaker , and vibration quite weak as compared to my HTC. In the end, the specs are quite good for the price

I've been a 2XL owner since January and I just bought the 6.
The 6 has a much worse vibration motor than the 2XL; to me at least, it is a huge difference and I really dislike the feel of the motor on the 6.
Colours/screen however, looks better to me on the 6, despite having a lower resolution - colours are more vibrant and no screen issues that many users report on the 2XL.
Performance is better on the 6 and that is a bit obvious I know, but I was shocked at the difference - it's actually noticable! Apps launch insanely fast while the 2XL is still stuck on that same app's splash screen.
The camera is not great at all in my opinion (on the 6). I could even go as far as saying it's slightly below average. Maybe it's because the Pixel's camera has spoiled me. You mentioned this isn't an important thing to you so you should be fine in this department.
I have all Bluetooth accessories, including headphones, so a headphone jack isn't necessary for me, but for your needs, it seems like another plus! (No pun intended lol).
Not sure if custom development (ROMs, kernels, etc.) are important, but OnePlus should have a lot more of that than the Pixels.
And finally, the biggest "feature" is the price - OnePlus is the clear winner here as well (especially for what you get in return).
I hope this helps make your decision a bit more clear

I'm using pixel 2 XL as my primary phone and this device as my secondary phone.
I'll never keep one plus 6 as my primary device cos I'm into photography. The only reason I have this for dash charging and dual SIM. Also I'm a digital nomad and I carry multiple devices. I retired my LG G4 which was an excellent shooter and was my back up device, now that's been replaced with one plus 6.
The extra specs and Ram doesn't really scream performance when you pit it against pixel 2 XL. One plus reduces all the animations to make the device faster but it doesn't have a very noticeable performance than my pixel.
I'm not bothered with the notch.
If you have the budget do both and you'll be happy. Else get this device and play around with both and sell what you think doesn't work for you.
My pixel is very dear to me so I would never think of replacing it with any other device. Also with one plus you lose the water proof thinge!!

manasgirdhar said:
I came from the HTC U Ultra, and for me atleast the One Plus turned out to be a really good investment. I also switched in part to the Headphone jack, and extra RAM. I do like he the phone so far, and found the camera to be on par with my HTC phone if not a bit better. The only complaint I have is I find the speaker , and vibration quite weak as compared to my HTC. In the end, the specs are quite good for the price
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I can see how the speaker and vibration could be bothersome. I love my Pixel 2 XL speakers, but I don't get to use them much because I'm at work or out a lot, and headphones would definitely come in handy. I have some Bluetooth headphones, but I have a lot more regular headphones that I have in my backpack, laying around at work, etc. It definitely seems worth the price!
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I've been a 2XL owner since January and I just bought the 6.
The 6 has a much worse vibration motor than the 2XL; to me at least, it is a huge difference and I really dislike the feel of the motor on the 6.
Colours/screen however, looks better to me on the 6, despite having a lower resolution - colours are more vibrant and no screen issues that many users report on the 2XL.
Performance is better on the 6 and that is a bit obvious I know, but I was shocked at the difference - it's actually noticable! Apps launch insanely fast while the 2XL is still stuck on that same app's splash screen.
The camera is not great at all in my opinion (on the 6). I could even go as far as saying it's slightly below average. Maybe it's because the Pixel's camera has spoiled me. You mentioned this isn't an important thing to you so you should be fine in this department.
I have all Bluetooth accessories, including headphones, so a headphone jack isn't necessary for me, but for your needs, it seems like another plus! (No pun intended lol).
Not sure if custom development (ROMs, kernels, etc.) are important, but OnePlus should have a lot more of that than the Pixels.
And finally, the biggest "feature" is the price - OnePlus is the clear winner here as well (especially for what you get in return).
I hope this helps make your decision a bit more clear
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It definitely helps! I've seen plenty of reviews where the reviewers say that the Pixel is faster. I'm not saying mine is slow, but it definitely hangs on some apps and I just have a hard time believing that the newest processor plus more ram isn't going to be faster than last years with less ram.
You've made great points, I hadn't thought about the screen. I definitely could see how the OnePlus 6 has a better screen! Thanks for your input, it's definitely been helpful
venkig said:
I'm using pixel 2 XL as my primary phone and this device as my secondary phone.
I'll never keep one plus 6 as my primary device cos I'm into photography. The only reason I have this for dash charging and dual SIM. Also I'm a digital nomad and I carry multiple devices. I retired my LG G4 which was an excellent shooter and was my back up device, now that's been replaced with one plus 6.
The extra specs and Ram doesn't really scream performance when you pit it against pixel 2 XL. One plus reduces all the animations to make the device faster but it doesn't have a very noticeable performance than my pixel.
I'm not bothered with the notch.
If you have the budget do both and you'll be happy. Else get this device and play around with both and sell what you think doesn't work for you.
My pixel is very dear to me so I would never think of replacing it with any other device. Also with one plus you lose the water proof thinge!!
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I love my Pixel, and I think I'll want the Pixel 3 when it comes out. But price wise for now, it's either sticking with the Pixel 2 XL or going to the OnePlus 6 for a wash. But I hadn't thought using both to see which I like better. I guess I could always return it within the 15 days if I don't like it right?

I sold my 2 XL a couple of weeks ago in anticipation of the OnePlus 6. I loved my 2 XL but personally found it just slightly too tall and I just couldn't get used to the screen. Even with "Boosted" and "Saturated" color calibrations the 2 XL screen paled in comparison with my wife's Galaxy S9 and my iPhone X (for work).
As for the camera, the 2 XL notably outshines the iPhone X in almost all conditions. Surprisingly, the pictures from my OnePlus 6 really are not that far off from my 2 XL. The OP6 still outperforms the iPhone X camera with much more clear and color accurate photos.
I loved my 2 XL, overall. But the iPhone X really showed me what a well designed bezel-less phone should be. The OP6 is Android's best alternative to that, IMO. The notch never bothered me on my iPhone and it doesn't bother me on my OP6. I'd make the same switch again in a heartbeat. And the best part is that I sold my 2 XL on Swappa for $710. This allowed me to pickup the OP6 (8GB / 128GB), the Nylon Bumper Case + screen protector and still pocket nearly $100.

venkig said:
I'm using pixel 2 XL as my primary phone and this device as my secondary phone.
I'll never keep one plus 6 as my primary device cos I'm into photography. The only reason I have this for dash charging and dual SIM. Also I'm a digital nomad and I carry multiple devices. I retired my LG G4 which was an excellent shooter and was my back up device, now that's been replaced with one plus 6.
The extra specs and Ram doesn't really scream performance when you pit it against pixel 2 XL. One plus reduces all the animations to make the device faster but it doesn't have a very noticeable performance than my pixel.
I'm not bothered with the notch.
If you have the budget do both and you'll be happy. Else get this device and play around with both and sell what you think doesn't work for you.
My pixel is very dear to me so I would never think of replacing it with any other device. Also with one plus you lose the water proof thinge!!
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I have both and agree with everything you've said. My biggest disappointment with the OnePlus 6 is the speaker. It's awful. I don't know if I'm going to keep the OnePlus 6. It is substantially faster than the Pixel.

Switch. I had the 2 XL, S9+, 5T before this. Camera is good but nowhere near the Pixel (neither are the S9+ or 5T), but if that's not your primary focus you'll be happy with the 6 until the Pixel 3 comes out. You'll probably have better resell value than your 2 XL too.

I am so torn. I have both phones and have about another week to decide if I'm keeping the OnePlus 6. Even though I have cases on both I just saw this guy who did a drop test and completely shattered the OP6.
Sound on Pixel 2 much better. Speed on OnePlus better.
So difficult to choose. Any ideas?

People are down playing how bad the camera is. It's 2x worst vs most of phones listed above. Software hopefully will help it.
Speaker is not great for occasional usage. Few things missing in software.
Luckily OnePlus holds there value. especially next few weeks plus 15 return window to try out.
Phone is very fast and ultimately stock Android. Haven't had any issues with day to day usage. Think it's a decent upgrade till the pixel 3 comes out.

Sold my 2xl an hour's to the money back I paid for this op6 and I already miss it ?

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Sold my 2xl an hour's to the money back I paid for this op6 and I already miss it ?
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What about it do you miss?

Don't choose the OP6 over the 2XL. It's a big downgrade, from the camera to the screen resolution to the terrible speaker to the vibration motor.

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What about it do you miss?
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The design, the camera, and the fact that it's pure Android ?
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Only thing I haters about both phones is that there is no wireless charging ? but the OnePlus gestures are terrific

Much prefer my OP6 over my pixel 2 xl.

mastibeta said:
Much prefer my OP6 over my pixel 2 xl.
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Why? I'm still waffling.

I love the screen, the speed is unmatched, and the form factor is more pleasant to hold. Also a big fan of the nav system in Oxygen OS.

intruda119 said:
People are down playing how bad the camera is. It's 2x worst vs most of phones listed above. Software hopefully will help it.
Speaker is not great for occasional usage. Few things missing in software.
Luckily OnePlus holds there value. especially next few weeks plus 15 return window to try out.
Phone is very fast and ultimately stock Android. Haven't had any issues with day to day usage. Think it's a decent upgrade till the pixel 3 comes out.
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I disagree that it's 2x worst most phones. It's not even 2x worse than most flagships. I've seen several pics where it outshines the iPhone x or s9. The problem, in my eyes, is consistency. I'll take 4 pics and get 4 different results. 3 of them will be over-sharpened so much there is noticeable halos if you zoom in, etc. But it *can* take good pics, which leads me to believe with software (or Gcam!!!), we'll be money.
Also, the video is above average for sure. Once they get the focus hunting dealt with that is.

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I love the screen, the speed is unmatched, and the form factor is more pleasant to hold. Also a big fan of the nav system in Oxygen OS.
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I completely agree with you about the speed and form factor. My biggest hesitation is the speaker and volume.
I've heard conflicting things about whether it can be improved with a software patch or if we're stuck with a hardware problem.

I don't use the phone as a loud speaker, I have Google home devices as well as Bluetooth speakers. That said it's plenty loud enough for me to play games or watch videos.

still worth buying Pixel 2? [June 2018]

I need a new phone. I've been on a Note 4 for a while now, and it has reached its end-of-life. Done tons of research, and even when compared against the latest-and-greatest, the Pixel 2 still reviews well. It seems to be exactly what I am looking for. Even though the announcement of the Pixel 3 is right around the corner, it will mostly likely be late Oct / early Nov before consumers can get them in hand anyway. Five months is a long time, and I'm kind of ready to make a move now.
Is the Pixel 2 still the way to go? Do I have to bite the bullet and get another Samsung and get an s9? (I'm on AT&T btw, and I'm really really sick of having a carrier locked phone and waiting on AT&T to add bloatware to all the updates).
Would I be stupid to get the Pixel 2 today? Talk me into it / talk me out of it.

You'd be stupid to go Samsung again, that's for sure.
The Note 4 was arguably Samsung's peak for the Note line, and the S7 Edge the peak for their S line. Sure the new designs are fancy, but are fragile, and Samsung are horrendous when it comes to updates.
I'd suggest looking into a OnePlus 6 especially if you're sick of being carrier locked. Cheaper and more powerful than the Pixel 2, better in every way aside from speakers and camera if they are important to you.
That being said, I miss my Pixel 2 XL for the software as it's so damn smooth, but I do not miss the abysmal screen (Note 4 screen is better). So if you go Pixel 2, definitely get the smaller one with the nicer Samsung screen.

As opposed to what ? Samsung ? Pixel 2 still had several years of guaranteed updates and a smoother software interface with less bloat. I could understand MAYBE if you said an iPhone as most businesses are starting to use iOS and Apple supports their software for several years but against a Samsung that's just a joke.

My $0.02., develop your own pros/cons list as no one knows what's more important to you, than you. Example, I absolutely hate lag in software, probably an unhealthy amount... I also enjoy a headphone jack, but that's less important than software to _me_. At the end of the day, no phone is better at software and camera than the Pixel 2 (I have non-XL, coming from a Samsung Galaxy S3) and that's what I think ultimately creates the Pixel appeal because literally every time you use your phone, in an app, to take a pic, etc, you get that top-of-the-line software experience. How much does Samsung's superior hardware matter when apps lag or freeze and frustrate the user or they're running a 6-month old security patch level?
Also got mine 50% off during Verizon's Black Friday deal last year, figured the savings was worth the locked bootloader. Then we got an unlock method anyways in December so win-win, half price + unlocked BL now. Is the P2 worth full price to you? Who knows. But good luck whatever path you choose!

istrikerx said:
You'd be stupid to go Samsung again, that's for sure.
The Note 4 was arguably Samsung's peak for the Note line, and the S7 Edge the peak for their S line. Sure the new designs are fancy, but are fragile, and Samsung are horrendous when it comes to updates.
I'd suggest looking into a OnePlus 6 especially if you're sick of being carrier locked. Cheaper and more powerful than the Pixel 2, better in every way aside from speakers and camera if they are important to you.
That being said, I miss my Pixel 2 XL for the software as it's so damn smooth, but I do not miss the abysmal screen (Note 4 screen is better). So if you go Pixel 2, definitely get the smaller one with the nicer Samsung screen.
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I love my Pixel 2, but honestly the reason I bought it was because of the camera and because I thought there would be more rom development by this point, but mostly for the camera. I came from a oneplus 3t and I loved that phone so much. The development community was large and very active, and the phone's hardware was awesome.
If it wasn't for the Pixel 2's camera, I would've much rather upgraded to a newer oneplus device or even stuck with my 3t. But seriously, imo forget samsung and there locked ass bootloaders and stupidly overpriced phones.

I ditched Samsung (S6) finally last month and got the Pixel2. I am not much of a ROM flasher but root is very important to me. I was dreading going down in resolution but haven't regretted it once.

Is there any reason NOT to get the Pixel 2? What other phone is popular enough to receive continual updates, and easy to find accessories? Gives fast performance without lag-inducing bloat-ware?

I have an AT&T brand Note 8 and i really like the phone (wish i would have bought the unlocked version). But i like to root and flash roms occasionally and I'm pretty limited on the Note 8. Lucky me my work takes me all across Texas and i just happen to be where AT&T don't have service so i bought the Pixel 2 direct from Google and I'm loving it. I'm running it on Verizon. Super easy to unlock bootloader and root. I've only had it for about a month now and have only did one update (the June update) that got a little confusing but i figured it out (i downloaded it myself from Google instead of doing the ota). Personally, i think the camera on the Note 8 is better than the Pixel 2 camera, but i have both phones so i can always take pictures with the Note and it syncs to my Google photos and i have the pic on both phones. I do feel like the Pixel runs a lot smoother than the Note though. If you buy a Pixel, I'd suggest buying straight from Google so you don't have to worry about the bootloader, although i know carriers bundling things in makes it hard to pass up.

I believe it is still going strong and worth a buy.
Personally I don't the notch design which everyone is copying from Apple now.

In fact I bought one three weeks ago and I'm very happy with it. It's already running Android P DP3. I have considered a Huawei P20, but in the end went with the Pixel 2, mainly because of the fast updates and stock Android (I came from a Nexus 5X)
No regrets!

Meh not that many accessories...
mellojoe said:
Is there any reason NOT to get the Pixel 2? What other phone is popular enough to receive continual updates, and easy to find accessories? Gives fast performance without lag-inducing bloat-ware?
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Well, gotta disagree a little with you on the bolded section. The P2 just isn't sold in large enough numbers to get the choices in accessories like the mainstream iPhones, S9, etc. Otterbox Defender series only has 2 colors for crying out loud...
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It could be a winner for you if that's what you want...luv mine!

Personally I would wait and buy a cheaper, last year's phone in the meanwhile.
Pixel 2 series is great, but you still have to make hard compromises. If you want the 2018 screen quality, go pixel 2; if you want a 2018 battery life and screen size, go XL. But to me these 3 things are essential to a phone (ok maybe not the screen size). Considering the price being top of the lines even compared to an iPhone, and it is a 2017 phone (sort), I would wait.
Plus I got a feel that Pixel 3 may come with wireless charging and other technologies that would make using a phone more convenient. While Pixel 2 is just, with great camera. Not an important factor to me personally.

I just got it coming from a Huawei mate 10
Honestly its a great phone . I got the small version cuz I have a U11PLUS plus as my daily big screen phone. And it's awesome they have all these goodness in such a small phone can be handled one hand
At the moment u11plus plus 128gb and 6gb ram is going for 600$ ish on eBay. If u don't care about updates I would advice u to go with it. The camera with gcam performing better than the pixel believe it or not and the battery is the best in the market. Colours of amazing silver or red are phenomenal, nothing else comes close even the copycat p20 pro

Absolutely! I would recommend the Pixel 2 to anybody who asked I haven't even had any reason to want the XL - I've just got the 5" Pixel.
The software is essentially bloat-free (if you use the Google apps) and the experience is as polished as that of the iPhone.
(I'm not a fan of the iPhone but anybody who's used an Android can't deny on most phones the platform is bloated and a little half-assed in places.)
Plus, if you're big into getting the latest Android versions - we get the Android betas first (and they're supported for 2 years.)
And, once the 2 years are up, if you haven't got a new phone by then, I'd imagine there would be a ton of custom ROMs and such for the phone.
I'm planning on developing some ROMs for the Pixel 2 but I haven't for the moment because I have no reason to; the software is the best I've experienced, so I have no reason to mod the phone. (This is probably why there isn't much in the way of development going on for the phone)
In my opinion, the camera is excellent; I don't use it that much but when I do, it's fast, the quality is fantastic and I have trouble faulting it.
Finally, the battery life is great. As a student, I don't use my phone all day but relatively speaking, I'm quite a heavy user and I get about 3 hours more screen time than most others. Plus, as the phone charges to upwards of 80% in about 45 minutes, battery isn't really an issue. (5-10 minutes at an AC outlet can usually get it up to 20%.)
TL;DR: Particularly if you buy a phone for utility (rather than as a fashion statement), this phone is brilliant. It's the best Android device I've ever owned and, I think, one of the best on the market.
If you want something that looks a bit more flashy, I'd suggest the Pixel XL, though.

The give-a-friend 15% offer is making this pracitcally a no-brainer for me. That brings a brand new direct from Google Pixel2 to $550. That's basically the same price as low end or older model phones. Looks like I'll be picking one up. Thanks for the advice.
Feel free to add any more thoughts, tho, cause I'm sure as we get closer to the launch of the 3, more people are going to be asking for opnions on the 2 as a budget-friendly option.

jerryhou85 said:
I believe it is still going strong and worth a buy.
Personally I don't the notch design which everyone is copying from Apple now.
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Let me correct you sir. Copying from Essential ph-1, not apple. Apple copying that design from Essential ph-1. Get it right.

ivanov13 said:
Let me correct you sir. Copying from Essential ph-1, not apple. Apple copying that design from Essential ph-1. Get it right.
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Ahh, I see. Learned that recently, thanks.
This year Pixel 3 should be the choice if I want to change my phone again.

edwinek said:
In fact I bought one three weeks ago and I'm very happy with it. It's already running Android P DP3. I have considered a Huawei P20, but in the end went with the Pixel 2, mainly because of the fast updates and stock Android (I came from a Nexus 5X)
No regrets!
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me too, I bought my pixel 2 (128GB) using a 20% coupon, used to have a nexus 5x, huge improvement