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Sony xperia Z3 Dual D6633 Android 5.0.2 Build 23.1.1.E.0.1
Hi there,
Upgraded my Z3 to lollipop last week and, despite the fact that the upgrade itself was flawless, I think I went from a device that used to work like a charm to one full of annoyances.
On day #1, noticed the batt drain skyrocket. 3h after disconnecting it, it was at 68%, half way through the morning. WTF? was my first thought. On a typical day on kitkat, I was able to end the day at 40% at least.
The second thing I´ve noticed was the phone app. It starts giving me errors, saying that the "network could not be reached" when I try to dial a number. If I insist for 4, 5 more times, it crashes. Dialing is only possible again if I reset the phone.
The third thing is the lock screen. It seems that lollipop has a drop down menu that makes it possible to enable/disable lots of things, like communications and even setting the phone in airplane mode. Imho that´s a huge liability / security risk and it appears that there is no way around that.
Still about the lock screen, it seems to have a bug: if you have any activesync account setup, not notifications will show up, no matter how you configure it (to show all or hide sensitive content).
So, I had only one thing to do, after reading forums etc... factory reseting it.
Surprise! All problems are still there.
Does any1 have any tips on those?
Thanks in advance.
There will be a widget on one of the screens which keeps refreshing itself and I found that to be the battery killer on my 6603.
Did you use any specific app to pinpoint the culprit?
1. It is possible that the battery levels are calibrating and will be imprecise for a while after the update, using the device normally for a couple of days will fix it, or at least this is what I observed in many phones I owned.
2. This is very weird and I can't help you with. If not even factory reset did help you may have some corrupted data on one of your contacts maybe? Try to make a thread about this issue on the Sony forum.
3. I noticed that as well, but even on pervious versions you could turn off the phone so I don't think it changes anything. Make sure to disable the multi user options that would allowanyone to add a new user from the lock screen.
4. Another weird thing, I use exchange accounts on my phone and I don't have any problem on mine. See point 2.
Under
settings>sound and notifications>when device is locked
Set to hide sensitive notification content or don't show notification content at all.
This should fix lock screen displaying email notifications from your exchange account.
Also, unlock phone, pull down notifications, pull down again to reveal quick settings, hit the edit button (pencil) and remove icons but clicking and holding and drawing them to the top. Unfortunately this removes them even when phone is unlocked but of your worried about unauthorised toggling of things on off its the best you can do I think.
As for battery drain, check the battery usage in
Settings>power management
Make sure stamina mode is on, toggle it off then on to make sure.
Select battery usage and check to see if any apps are using more than they should. Make sure brightness is set low but enable adaptive brightness under display settings.
ozzy lion said:
Under
settings>sound and notifications>when device is locked
Set to hide sensitive notification content or don't show notification content at all.
This should fix lock screen displaying email notifications from your exchange account.
Also, unlock phone, pull down notifications, pull down again to reveal quick settings, hit the edit button (pencil) and remove icons but clicking and holding and drawing them to the top. Unfortunately this removes them even when phone is unlocked but of your worried about unauthorised toggling of things on off its the best you can do I think.
As for battery drain, check the battery usage in
Settings>power management
Make sure stamina mode is on, toggle it off then on to make sure.
Select battery usage and check to see if any apps are using more than they should. Make sure brightness is set low but enable adaptive brightness under display settings.
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That's not a smartphone anymore, with all functions shut down and brightness low.
This phone has the best screen, use it at least 50% brightness.
I have no issues with the brightness down. It bumps up nicely in brighter conditions and will even max out in daylight. If I ever need it brighter then it's easy to boost temporarily. It's a small price to pay for nearly 24 hours of battery with 5 hours screen on time.
I never mentioned shutting down functions. The only thing I mentioned removing was the toggles that concerned the op on the quick settings. Removing mobile data and aeroplane mode from quick settings hardly cripples the device, I never use these anyway.
I don't think it very useful that there's not more customisation available here such as a complete set of separate lockscreen settings. But if all you can do is comprise then what else can you suggest?
I don't think unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom ROM is something the op wants to do.
ozzy lion said:
I have no issues with the brightness down. It bumps up nicely in brighter conditions and will even max out in daylight. If I ever need it brighter then it's easy to boost temporarily. It's a small price to pay for nearly 24 hours of battery with 5 hours screen on time.
I never mentioned shutting down functions. The only thing I mentioned removing was the toggles that concerned the op on the quick settings. Removing mobile data and aeroplane mode from quick settings hardly cripples the device, I never use these anyway.
I don't think it very useful that there's not more customisation available here such as a complete set of separate lockscreen settings. But if all you can do is comprise then what else can you suggest?
I don't think unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom ROM is something the op wants to do.
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You said stamina.
Stamina means already some functions off.
Update:
1. Batt drain
Remains without an explanation. My daily use profile is basically the same as before the update. 3PM and I am at 28%, with stamina on. I can´t recall a day, running kitkat, that I would hit the charger at night with 28% of batt remaining (and I still have 4h to go). It was always on 40% ish. GSAM is reporting that 47% of the batt drain is caused by apps and, from that, 30% is represented by android core apps + android system + kernel. I might be wrong, but I think it is related to reindexing, contact + agenda sync etc and it will probably get lower eventually (I hope!)
2. Phone App giving errors
I think I have isolated the problem. It seems to be caused by TrueCaller.
3. Lock screen
Regarding the drop down menu, It is clear now that what I think is a problem is, in fact, by design and there is no way around it without rooting. But regarding the notifications, I just removed both activesync accounts and I started getting notifications in the lock screen again. So, my guess is that there is a policy of some sort that is being interpreted by the phone as it should hide all notifications from the lock screen.
In fact, there are lots of things that got blocked / disabled because of those policies. Here is a list of things that were disabled and now appear to be working again, after the removal of the activesync accounts:
. notifications are showing again in the lock screen;
. smart lock;
. screen lock options (none, swipe, pattern);
note: I thought that I would be able to enable services in Accessibility, like LastPass or App Advisor by Norton, but it still does not work (I try to enable any of them, but pressing "ok" on the warning dialog does nothing and the only option working is "cancel").
Thinking about resetting it again...
Hi, if problems are persistant you can always downgrad software at KitKat by using FlashTool and wait Lollipop 5.1 (5.1 will probably solve many problems).
StealthNet said:
Update:
1. Batt drain
Remains without an explanation. My daily use profile is basically the same as before the update. 3PM and I am at 28%, with stamina on. I can´t recall a day, running kitkat, that I would hit the charger at night with 28% of batt remaining (and I still have 4h to go). It was always on 40% ish. GSAM is reporting that 47% of the batt drain is caused by apps and, from that, 30% is represented by android core apps + android system + kernel. I might be wrong, but I think it is related to reindexing, contact + agenda sync etc and it will probably get lower eventually (I hope!)
2. Phone App giving errors
I think I have isolated the problem. It seems to be caused by TrueCaller.
3. Lock screen
Regarding the drop down menu, It is clear now that what I think is a problem is, in fact, by design and there is no way around it without rooting. But regarding the notifications, I just removed both activesync accounts and I started getting notifications in the lock screen again. So, my guess is that there is a policy of some sort that is being interpreted by the phone as it should hide all notifications from the lock screen.
In fact, there are lots of things that got blocked / disabled because of those policies. Here is a list of things that were disabled and now appear to be working again, after the removal of the activesync accounts:
. notifications are showing again in the lock screen;
. smart lock;
. screen lock options (none, swipe, pattern);
note: I thought that I would be able to enable services in Accessibility, like LastPass or App Advisor by Norton, but it still does not work (I try to enable any of them, but pressing "ok" on the warning dialog does nothing and the only option working is "cancel").
Thinking about resetting it again...
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A new firmware version has dropped for the Z3 which I think fixes your issues with notifications.
I received it OTA yesterday, I'm running the Balkans customisation.
Thank you for the tip! I hope it does! Will keep it posted here just for the reference. I am starting to feel other "symptoms" as well, like bluetooth instability (you pair a device and it stops working, have to pair again).
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Just hit another weird thing.
I am not being able to create a new vpn connection. I am trying to use the PureVPN and IPVanish client software, but when I try to setup the conection, I receive a disclaimer, saying that my traffic might be monitored, with a "CANCEL" and "OK" options. The OK doesn´t work, only "CANCEL".
My device is encrypted and I have also noticed that I am not able to decrypt it.
Also, If I go to Accessibility and try to enable a service, the same thing happens: a disclaimer appears, saying that the service might observe my actions, with a "CANCEL" and "OK" options. The OK doesn´t work, only "CANCEL".
Any ideas?
Ok, just a quick fup: the ability to create VPNs from apps is disabled if you encrypt the phone. It seems that if you create if before encrypting, it won´t be disabled; but you wont be able to create a new vpn from an app downloaded, after encryption.
Regarding the Accessibility > Services, after a *lot* of research, I have found that Twilight was the culprit. For the reference:
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79637
Hello guys. This topic is pretty long and it is hard to read all of it but try to read all of it till end.
Well, let me begin. The main problem of the nougat update is the dramatic increase of battery consumption (for me at least) But why this is happening?
Actually this is a matter of battery managers. Huawei had created a great phone but obviously they messed things up in the software side. Google announced "Doze" feature with Marshmallow. If we could have a brief explanation of "what doze is" is it is basically a battery protection policy created by google. In Android, apps have the ability to use what’s called a “wakelock” to prevent your phone from going into a power-saving deep sleep mode. This deep sleep mode usually kicks in when your phone’s screen is off, but that can get in the way of how some apps work. For example, if you’re using a fitness tracker, you don’t want your phone turning off GPS or your accelerometer just because your phone is in your pocket with the screen turned off.
In principle, this is a good concept. Apps keep your phone awake and working when they need to, and let it sleep when they don’t. This is a problem, though, when every developer thinks their app is important enough to keep your phone on all the time. That’s why apps like Facebook kill your battery, even when you’re not using them.
Doze helps solve this problem by periodically blocking wakelocks and shutting off network access if your phone goes unused for a while. It will then periodically allow apps to check in during “maintenance windows” every so often (these windows occur less frequently the longer you don’t use your device). Here is a graphical explanation of how doze works versus time:
http://itresan.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/doze-header.jpg
Doze helps solve this problem by periodically blocking wakelocks and shutting off network access if your phone goes unused for a while. It will then periodically allow apps to check in during “maintenance windows” every so often (these windows occur less frequently the longer you don’t use your device)
If we turn back to the main topic, as I mentioned before, Huawei has some difficulties combining it's own features with google's. Huawei has its own battery manager. That's why you are not receiving some notifications from facebook or whatsapp. That is because that freaking battery manager shuts everything off but still, since it has a very poor approach, the system drains battery. It is basically a matter of doze does not kicking in. As you can see, the battery usage when the screen is turned on is about the same. However, the same thing cannot be seem when the screen is off.
So what to do in order to save some juice?
-There is some workarounds for doze kicking in like these ones:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yirgalab.dzzz
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.suyashsrijan.forcedoze
These two apps have different approaches. I prefer ForceDoze as it seems the google's intended way.
I want to highlight this item because this might be the most important thing in this topic. If you don’t do anything with your phone, Doze will still do its job. It runs almost invisibly in the background. Occasionally you’ll get a few messages at once, rather than spread over a few minutes, but for the most part there’s no noticeable change. In other words this is a bit different from the conventional full deep sleep and you do not have to afraid from doze as you do with the full deep sleep.
-DO NOT CLEAN YOUR RAM TOO OFTEN. This will cause closed apps re-open and hence, more cpu usage.
-No! Cleaners, Task managers and other stuff does not work! As I mention before, they even lead more battery consumptions.
-Huawei has poor google service implementations. Even one or two implementation has some bugs that causing battery drain(for example: google backup). Try to turn them off.
-Know when to reboot your phone. Too frequent reboots may do the same thing as you cleaning your ram. However, rebooting cleans app caches so the system will work smoother. Once a week or two weeks is fine I suppose.
Please hit the "Thanks" button if you like and please point out the missing things and if you see a mistake please warn me for correcting it. I hope you liked the topic.
Have a nice day!
Doze is problem for me. I don't have push notification by the night.
darrr1 said:
Doze is problem for me. I don't have push notification by the night.
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It's probably not because of the doze but the huawei's power manager itself.
Problem starts when phone is not active longer than 2-3 hours. In root I removed phone manager and it did not help fix the push notification problem
darrr1 said:
Problem starts when phone is not active longer than 2-3 hours. In root I removed phone manager and it did not help fix the push notification problem
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Assuming that you are on huawei release (not los releases), untick your app from close apps after screen lock. Then go to apps, settings, special access, and make the system ignore battery optimizations for the spesific app you want to get notification from.
I did everything what I can without succes.
furkey said:
Assuming that you are on huawei release (not los releases), untick your app from close apps after screen lock. Then go to apps, settings, special access, and make the system ignore battery optimizations for the spesific app you want to get notification from.
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first thanks for this tip. i hate it that i dont receive whatsapp messenges all the time, i hope it will work now.
BTP:
I assume huawei did not remove "doze" from our firmware, but maybe they replaced it with theire own battery manager?
Is there a complete source for doze, so we can check if everything is there? If yes it should not be that hard to activate doze and deactivate the huawei one.
But i guess we need at least the kernel sources to clear things up?
xtcislove said:
first thanks for this tip. i hate it that i dont receive whatsapp messenges all the time, i hope it will work now.
BTP:
I assume huawei did not remove "doze" from our firmware, but maybe they replaced it with theire own battery manager?
Is there a complete source for doze, so we can check if everything is there? If yes it should not be that hard to activate doze and deactivate the huawei one.
But i guess we need at least the kernel sources to clear things up?
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Doze is not on kernel level but it is on software level. Programmatically we can activate what is left from doze or at least simulate it. However, if there is a certain need for doze we should cook a whole new rom and yes, it requires open source too.
But, let's clear a thing here: Huawei did not completely removed doze. Actually, I think they can't do that if they wish to use Android. Just some settings of Huawei conflicts with doze and prevent its functioning.
I'm using the honor 9 with emui 5.1 (android 7.0) and screebl (app used to control how and when screen locks/times out) is constantly getting killed. I have added it to ignore(=allow to run) in battery optimization and it's activated as a device administrator. It is not selected to close (power intensive app prompt) or instructed to close when screen goes off. Yet it repeatedly is getting killed - is there something else I need to do? I can't seem to find anything else I can do to stop it from being killed and it's a major nuisance.
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I'm using the honor 9 with emui 5.1 (android 7.0) and screebl (app used to control how and when screen locks/times out) is constantly getting killed. I have added it to ignore(=allow to run) in battery optimization and it's activated as a device administrator. It is not selected to close (power intensive app prompt) or instructed to close when screen goes off. Yet it repeatedly is getting killed - is there something else I need to do? I can't seem to find anything else I can do to stop it from being killed and it's a major nuisance.
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Could you finally solve this?
I also have and Honor 9, and have the same problem with aplicacition radardroid. Is getting killed, and also have all configured to prevent this...
Try by having both in the Settings
-Battery/Close apps after lock screen (uncheck in the list)
-Apps/Settings gear/Special access/Ignore battery optimization (make it allowed)
Thank szgfg,
Both are already well configured, but still closing the app.
mikicl said:
Thank szgfg,
Both are already well configured, but still closing the app.
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Check also is not being closed by the automatic cleanup (so add it to clean whitelisted apps) and that is not being closed due to high consumption...disable that on battery settings... Let the advertisement but do not let phone administrator close that apps automatically
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Hi jcalderonv74,
Thanks for your answer. I didn't know about the clean whitelisted apps, was a surprise to find it. But unfortunetly, everything was well configured.
Option to avoid being closed due to high consumption was already OK.
So nothing to change, everything was as it has to be. Seems more a software problem in EMUI 5.0
After some days without touching anything in the phone's configuration, finally observed that everything is working fine. All aplications configured keep opened, and it's only Radardroid aplication that sometimes closes alone (only sporadically after a recent update)
Seems more an error in Radardroid aplication that in telephone's software. So I'm not worring more about that.
Hello everyone,
This guide is for non-rooted, stock-firmware phones. It is geared more towards getting good stand-by times, but of course this will also benefit screen-on time. It has some OnePlus-specific things but also many non-specific to one manufacturer. It does not contain miracle information, but from my experience it can help quite a bit. It assumes that you keep phone, mobile data, Wi-Fi and sync enabled at all times. Those are core features of any phone and are not means to save battery. The optimization steps are listed in the order which I think impacts battery life. You may or may not apply some or all of the things listed, depending on your own needs.
So:
1. Go to Settings->Battery->Battery optimization->[tap on the 3 vertical dots on the upper right corner] and enable the phone's "Advanced Battery Optimization" (aka. Aggressive Doze) feature, while at the same time whitelisting apps from which you need instant notifications, like Whatsapp or Outlook, etc. For other apps notifications may be delayed. Some applications like AdBlock Plus for Samsung browser also need whitelisting to work properly. Just go by trial and error with finding which applications need whitelisting.
2. Enable "Developer Mode" by going to Settings->About Phone and tapping 7 times on the "Build Number". Then go to Settings->Developer Options and enable the "App Wi-Fi Multi/Broadcasting Filter" option. I did not find any app impacted negatively by this, even casting to Chromecast works fine.
3. Go to Settings->Display->Ambient Display and disable the "Lift up display" and "Wake screen on notifications" options (which are useless compared to a true Always-On Display option anyway), and instead put the phone's RGB notification LED to good use. The Light Flow (one of many, but in my opinion the best) app can customize the LED color for different types of notifications, as well as setting a priority or cycling between colors. Since the LED's "always-on" nature, it is actually much more useful than a dead screen that only wakes up when lifted. When I use Light Flow, I set the LED blinking speed to "Always On" and a diffent color for each app. Works much better than any "ambient" mode.
4. Go to Settings->Display->Themes and enable the "Dark Theme". It reduces power consumption for OLED displays such as the one from the OnePlus 6.
5. Social media apps (especially Facebook) are battery hogs because they need to continuously gather your personal data and usage information. If you are only an occasional user, prefer uninstalling those apps and instead using the browser to access your account. This will also benefit you in other areas, like productivity
6. Keep Location off until you need it. This will ensure that the system does not wake up the GPS due to some obscure request from an app that can also work without knowing your location.
7. Go to Settings->Apps->Application list, tap on each app and review permissions. Remove Location permission for apps that you don't want to unknowingly wake up your GPS and draining your battery. I prefer to only allow Location access to Google Maps and Waze but your mileage may vary.
8. Disable Face Unlock. Activating the front camera so often does consume quite a bit of battery, as can be seen in battery stats. And as you may have read, it is not very secure anyway. As the rear-placed fingerprint sensor makes it almost unusable for me (for example I cannot unlock it while in the car cradle or on the desk), I chose to use the Smart Lock features with my Bluetooth smartwatch and my home Wi-Fi network and my phone stays unlocked while my smartwatch is around, which eliminates the necessity for both face unlock and fingerprint reader.
9. Prefer using software from companies that do not live from user data (like Google and Facebook). Collecting as much user information as possible requires wide system access and takes up a lot of battery. I like to replace Gmail with Microsoft Outlook (even for my Gmail addresses) and I use Samsung Internet instead of Chrome. The Samsung browser seems to be the most battery-efficient browser available, way above Firefox. Microsoft Edge may also be a good alternative.
10. Use an ad-blocker if supported by your browser. Animated ads and additional loading of ad-related content contributes quite a bit to the web browsing battery drain.
11. Go to Settings->Accounts->Google and for each Google account, tap on it and then disable syncing for information that you do not need synced. Clicking on a Google account shows you sections of info to be synced. Disable what you don't need. For example, you may only need Contacts syncing for your primary Gooogle account and not all of them. Same with Google Fit data, pictures, etc.
12. Go to Settings->Apps->Special Access->Usage Access and disable this access for OnePlus Switch and Google Play Store (not for Google Play Services, it may have unwanted side effects). This stops these apps from consuming system resources and battery to continuously collect usage data.
13. Go to Settings->Apps->Application list and disable applications that you don't need and can be disabled (some cannot be disabled).
14. Opt out of (do not enable) the "send diagnostic information" checkboxes whenever you are asked for, unless you are really selfless and want to give [a percentage of your battery life] to the community Go from app to app and see if it has this or similar setting (sometimes these settings are sugarcoated into "enhance your experience by sending your data to us"). Disable if found.
15. Do not enter your OnePlus account information. This will activate all kinds of data-sending services that will contribute to the battery drain.
16. Wipe cache after each update, especially if you notice worsened battery drain. To wipe cache, turn off the phone, then hold Power + VolDown buttons continuously until it starts, keep holding until a menu appears. After you enter your phone password you can choose "Wipe Cache/Data" section which brings another menu, choose "Wipe Cache" then after confirmation, choose Reboot.
17. If you are not using the landscape mode a lot, prefer to lock the phone rotation in portrait mode (the toggle is present among the quick toggles) and only unlock the rotation when needed. From what I have read, somehow the auto-rotation seems to unnecessarily cause some activity (even wake-locks), and from my experience I did see a bit of improvement from this tweak, looks like more than placebo.
18. If you already have a OnePlus 6, this does not apply. But if you are after ultimate battery life, keep in mind, less chips means less power draw if all else is equal, and RAM memory needs continuous refresh, so a model with 6GB of RAM may be a bit more power-efficient than one with 8GB RAM, especially given the fact that still-large 6GB of RAM virtually guarantees that there will be no extra overhead related too app reloading.
Hopefully this will help some people.
Below you will find some of my usual stand-by times after the optimization. Since update 5.1.7 battery life seems to be improved even further (see last 2 screenshots - with 5.1.7 and 5.1.8).
Thanks for all this. Most of the things I already did myself, but some of them actually make a lot of sense but I've never thought about it before.
Already very happy with the battery life I'm getting, but very curious if it will be even better now.
Thanks for this nice pice of guide!
All of this means nothing if you have really bad cell reception like me. -105 to -112 dBm at the office. Drains like hell in standby.
Cst79 said:
1. Go to Settings->Battery->Battery optimization->[tap on the 3 vertical dots on the upper right corner] and enable the phone's "Advanced Battery Optimization" (aka. Aggressive Doze) feature, while at the same time whitelisting apps from which you need instant notifications, like Whatsapp or Outlook, etc. For other apps notifications may be delayed. Some applications like AdBlock Plus for Samsung browser also need whitelisting to work properly. Just go by trial and error with finding which applications need whitelisting.
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By Whitelist you mean changing it to "Not Optimize correct?
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By Whitelist you mean changing it to "Not Optimize correct?
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Correct !
well done on post [emoji106]
Dumb question, is Advanced Optimization (with some apps not optimized as needed) definitely more efficient than normal, with every app set to optimize as by default (and everything works)?
Why isn't there 3 settings for every app: not optimized, optimized, and advanced optimized?
and i got this today... now charging...
Muntasir Mahmud Saif said:
and i got this today... now charging...
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Looks pretty great ! Did you use the optimizations from this guide ? Any other tips ?
Cst79 said:
Looks pretty great ! Did you use the optimizations from this guide ? Any other tips ?
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no bro...i always make my own optimization...no offense though... I'll post the guide later on...
Cst79 said:
15. Do not enter your OnePlus account information. This will activate all kinds of data-sending services that will contribute to the battery drain.
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Hi Bro,
Sorry that i not so understand what this item 15 means.
xiah1512 said:
Hi Bro,
Sorry that i not so understand what this item 15 means.
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As you may know, especially if you purchased your phone or accessories from the OnePlus website or accessed the OnePlus forums or support, you can create a OnePlus account online. At phone setup, OnePlus asks you to optionally enter this account for various benefits. Do not enter this information when/if asked. Or, if already entered, you can delete it from Settings->Accounts.
Cst79 said:
As you may know, especially if you purchased your phone or accessories from the OnePlus website or accessed the OnePlus forums or support, you can create a OnePlus account online. At phone setup, OnePlus asks you to optionally enter this account for various benefits. Do not enter this information when/if asked. Or, if already entered, you can delete it from Settings->Accounts.
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Ok, Thanks bro.
For those suggestions that cut down on network chit-chat, this also serves as a partial data usage optimization guide. Thanks for taking time to enumerate all these suggestions. I found a few slam-dunks in this list.
Cst79 said:
As you may know, especially if you purchased your phone or accessories from the OnePlus website or accessed the OnePlus forums or support, you can create a OnePlus account online. At phone setup, OnePlus asks you to optionally enter this account for various benefits. Do not enter this information when/if asked. Or, if already entered, you can delete it from Settings->Accounts.
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What does adding that account allow you to do?
Muntasir Mahmud Saif said:
no bro...i always make my own optimization...no offense though... I'll post the guide later on...
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how did you fix the massive overnight drain eventually?
I'm getting 8% drain overnight, I dont think that's normal.
-marco- said:
how did you fix the massive overnight drain eventually?
I'm getting 8% drain overnight, I dont think that's normal.
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You are on 5.1.6?
Joyarup said:
You are on 5.1.6?
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I am, yes.
-marco- said:
I am, yes.
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I was also facing this weird issue, then I noticed that the phone wasn't deep sleeping for some reasons, I rebooted it before going to sleep and it went to deep sleep fine and the drain was around 2% on LTE standby overnight. I will try different kernels too, currently using EX.
i heard that the note 20 ultra may not be sleeping cores when screen is off and idle
also i have seen apps that can shut the screen off while forcing sleep at the same time
do not know what to type to find it as i want to test it on my note 20 ultra. anyone know of such apps list them below...
gloege said:
i heard that the note 20 ultra may not be sleeping cores when screen is off and idle
also i have seen apps that can shut the screen off while forcing sleep at the same time
do not know what to type to find it as i want to test it on my note 20 ultra. anyone know of such apps list them below...
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I use greenify. You don't have to be rooted to use it and there is a setting that puts apps you select to sleep and turn screen off (that might be a root feature tho, I'm not sure, I don't use it, I just have it set to force stop battery draining apps).
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I use greenify. You don't have to be rooted to use it and there is a setting that puts apps you select to sleep and turn screen off (that might be a root feature tho, I'm not sure, I don't use it, I just have it set to force stop battery draining apps).
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NO i want a screen on off app that forces the whole phone to sleep every time you use it to turn off screen. like i said know one knows what i am talking about. but i did see it befor
gloege said:
NO i want a screen on off app that forces the whole phone to sleep every time you use it to turn off screen. like i said know one knows what i am talking about. but i did see it befor
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3rd party power management apps tend to screw things up by creating conflicts. You may find it better to let Android do it without using any other apps except to shutdown apps that are known offenders.
On my load it's Bixby (except Bixby Vision and Bixby Vision Framework) all cloud apps, Samsung Push, Gmail, Google backup Transport and Backup Transport Framework.
All I'm using is PD MDM and Settings changes on my 10+ running on Pie. You will need to -play- with it to optimize it. Most guides and power management apps just drop the ball.
Monitor it. The usage you see is AOD running. After I turned off the screen Android powered all the running Apps down. No trivmcks; in Stand By Apps you can see all are in the Active state, all the time, always but they power down when not in use. So much for buckets... using Samsung Device Manager adaptive power management will toggle those buckets to various states and cause more battery drain eventually.
Use Galaxy Labs>Battery Tracker
It's possible the newer versions of Samsung Device Manager run fine but test by monitoring and always be wary of all 3red party power management apps!
Have you looked into Bixby Routines or an app like Tasker where you can create rules? I can't say this will work (I don't use these apps), but if you haven't looked into using rule setting apps, that may be a solution for you.
still someone mentioned the note 20 ultra may not be sleeping the phones cores that is why battery life is so out of whack. i just wanted an app that when i tape it it will turn off the phone and sleep the cores instantly. someone mentioned it is better then waiting for the time it takes to let the phone do it. this will help me find out if the cores sleep or not buy using the app to see if it will give me better battery life. really no harm will be done. the phone sleeps cores anyway. but if a bug is keeping them awake i want to catch it and report it. so it be nice if i can find an app to shut off screen and sleep the cores as well and it will save my power button from wear
All I would like is an icon on my home screen that I could tap to turn the screen off. I feel I’m wearing out the power button the amount of times I use it to turn screen off. Not found any other way to do it
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NO i want a screen on off app that forces the whole phone to sleep every time you use it to turn off screen. like i said know one knows what i am talking about. but i did see it befor
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All I would like is an icon on my home screen that I could tap to turn the screen off. I feel I’m wearing out the power button the amount of times I use it to turn screen off. Not found any other way to do it
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Oh. Why didn't you say so?
Don't think Double Tap* works on 10....
but the Samsung Good Lock family app One Handed Operation Plus does
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...lus&pcampaignid=APPU_1_dXJXX46SK8nEswXYmoWwDQ
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sl...tion-good-lock-app-from-samsung-11569355/amp/
This app is why you bought a curved screen Note....
*Double Tap may work on 10; it has a 2x tap on home button off option. No ads, no data usage, very low resource/battery usage. This is one of three screen off/no button options I have enabled.
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Oh. Why didn't you say so?
Don't think Double Tap* works on 10....
but the Samsung Good Lock family app One Handed Operation Plus does
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.android.sidegesturepad&hl=en_US&referrer=utm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Done+handed+operation+plus&pcampaignid=APPU_1_dXJXX46SK8nEswXYmoWwDQ
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sl...tion-good-lock-app-from-samsung-11569355/amp/
This app is why you bought a curved screen Note....
*Double Tap may work on 10; it has a 2x tap on home button off option. No ads, no data usage, very low resource/battery usage. This is one of three screen off/no button options I have enabled.
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so will that force the whole phone into immediate sleep when i tap it and the screen goes off
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so will that force the whole phone into immediate sleep when i tap it and the screen goes off
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Mine does but no idea how yours is configured.
The app simple turns off the screen same as hitting the power button.
Apps like Greenify tend to make a mess out of unrooted phones.
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Mine does but no idea how yours is configured.
The app simple turns off the screen same as hitting the power button.
Apps like Greenify tend to make a mess out of unrooted phones.
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well i need it to turn off screen and force the phone into sleep the instant the screen goes off i heard of apps like this but never needed one
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so will that force the whole phone into immediate sleep when i tap it and the screen goes off
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well i need it to turn off screen and force the phone into sleep the instant the screen goes off i heard of apps like this but never needed one
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To what end? I have about 60 apks blocked, no sync running for Gmail, Calendar, etc, no cloud apps, no trash message apps, no FB, Playstore is blocked unless I unblock it and no 3rd party power management*.
My OS "sleeps" within a minute or so of turning the screen off.
Still a lot of stuff running though plus I'm using AOD.
It uses a little under 1% of battery per hour and better with no AOD.
Reboots generally don't fix power issues at all.
*all 3rd party power management apps including Samsung's Device Manager (disabled) cause more problems than they solve and many times cause excessive power consumption as well. All my app buckets show as active in Developer Options.
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To what end? I have about 60 apks blocked, no sync running for Gmail, Calendar, etc, no cloud apps, no trash message apps, no FB, Playstore is blocked unless I unblock it and no 3rd party power management*.
My OS "sleeps" within a minute or so of turning the screen off.
Still a lot of stuff running though plus I'm using AOD.
It uses a little under 1% of battery per hour and better with no AOD.
Reboots generally don't fix power issues at all.
*all 3rd party power management apps including Samsung's Device Manager (disabled) cause more problems than they solve and many times cause excessive power consumption as well. All my app buckets show as active in Developer Options.
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i bet, but some have said it is not sleeping cores that may be the same as os sleeping. and why wait a min when you can have an app do it when you tap it. i just want to test if forcing the os/phone into sleep will make a difference and they got apps that can turn off screen and force sleep i just can not find them. i found one in 2015 and lost it forever
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Oh. Why didn't you say so?
Don't think Double Tap* works on 10....
but the Samsung Good Lock family app One Handed Operation Plus does
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...lus&pcampaignid=APPU_1_dXJXX46SK8nEswXYmoWwDQ
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sl...tion-good-lock-app-from-samsung-11569355/amp/
This app is why you bought a curved screen Note....
*Double Tap may work on 10; it has a 2x tap on home button off option. No ads, no data usage, very low resource/battery usage. This is one of three screen off/no button options I have enabled.
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I did install One Hand Operation +, but for the life of me, I can’t see how to configure it to turn screen off with 2x tap on home button
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i heard that the note 20 ultra may not be sleeping cores when screen is off and idle
also i have seen apps that can shut the screen off while forcing sleep at the same time
do not know what to type to find it as i want to test it on my note 20 ultra. anyone know of such apps list them below...
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I use Nap Time by Francisco Franco the kernel developer for rooted devices from a couple years ago. It will put the phone into a deep doze, which android already has. You will need to do a couple adb commands to get it working on non rooted phones, it's one of the first apps I install on a new phone. The phone can sit 10 hours over night and drop between 3-5%, you can have it turn bluetooth, wifi and data off while in a doze. Here's what Franco says about his app.
This is the real battery saver. No placebo and dumb marketing shenanigans!
Naptime lowers your device's power consumption while the display is off by empowering Android's built-in doze power saving functionality. Faster idle means less power being consumed unecessarily. By default doze can take a while to kick in so Naptime just speeds-up that process automagically for you.
It can also automatically disable W-iFi, mobile data, location & bluetooth as soon as doze kicks in.
Experimental features such as automatic Android Battery Saver, Aggressive Doze timings, Aggressive Doze scheduling times and location detection.
Now you have profiles so you can load them up on demand based on your usage and accessible from Quick Tiles.
Most features work if you're not rooted, but to have the full experience you'll have to root your device.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.franco.doze&hl=en
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I did install One Hand Operation +, but for the life of me, I can’t see how to configure it to turn screen off with 2x tap on home button
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You can't double tap with that one; set one or more of the slides to turn off the screen. I use that as to kill the screen, navigate and more.
Double Tap is the one that does just that.
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You can't double tap with that one; set one or more of the slides to turn off the screen. I use that as to kill the screen, navigate and more.
Double Tap is the one that does just that.
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Many thanks, but I cannot find that setting at all. is my 80 year old brain letting me down, I wonder
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I did install One Hand Operation +, but for the life of me, I can’t see how to configure it to turn screen off with 2x tap on home button
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Many thanks, but I cannot find that setting at all. is my 80 year old brain letting me down, I wonder
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You need to install the app, Double Tap first*
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...apk&pcampaignid=APPU_1_GzNZX_bWNsWosgXA3bmQAw
Give it required permissions/access. A clean app; zero data usage, no ads.
*Sorry if I mislead you. I have a lot of customization apps on this Android; most are Samsung but a few like this one aren't.
blackhawk said:
You need to install the app, Double Tap first*
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...apk&pcampaignid=APPU_1_GzNZX_bWNsWosgXA3bmQAw
Give it required permissions/access. A clean app; zero data usage, no ads.
*Sorry if I mislead you. I have a lot of customization apps on this Android; most are Samsung but a few like this one aren't.
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does it put the phone in deep sleep or do i have to use them in tandem
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does it put the phone in deep sleep or do i have to use them in tandem
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It turns off the screen. There's always system apks running in the background unless you power off the phone. You can limit what runs to some extent.
If your getting around 1% per hour battery drain when the screen is off I call it done.
First off, I love the phone and I'll keep it, but ever since I got the phone I've been wondering why it's draining so much in standby. It's my first Samsung phone since 2011, so naturally I assume it's Samsung apps/services that drain? Especially since I don't use any new apps than on my other phones and in the battery stats it doesn't really show any user apps that use a lot.
Anyone has way to measure what system/user apps drain during standby? Or even better, any dev that could do a deeper dive into this?
For example, I just lost 32% battery while sleeping for about 8h, it has never been this much on any other of my previous phones (OnePlus Nord/Pixel 3a/Pixel 3/Pixel 2).
In fact, my OnePlus Nord with 815mAh more than the Flip3 is currently on last charge 3 days ago (it doesn't show me hours anymore) and 2h35m SOT and 25% battery left. On the Flip I just now got 17h with 1h30m SOT and 5% left. Settings all similar besides location accuracy turned off for the Flip as that was a massive drain.
Something must be unintentionally draining the battery during standby and I really hope one of you smart guys can find it. Or Samsung fixes it with an update..
I disabled AOD and any unnecessary account sync processes. It's only drained about 2% in standby the last 5 hours, but there are still some things to finish configuring.
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I disabled AOD and any unnecessary account sync processes. It's only drained about 2% in standby the last 5 hours, but there are still some things to finish configuring.
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If have AOD on a schedule so it's turned off during sleeping, account syncing I don't have anything that I can turn off and I never did on any previous phone
M4-NOOB said:
If have AOD on a schedule so it's turned off during sleeping, account syncing I don't have anything that I can turn off and I never did on any previous phone
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How old is your device? You got to give it some time to settle. I had 15% battery drain the first night, after that it went down to 5%.
M4-NOOB said:
If have AOD on a schedule so it's turned off during sleeping, account syncing I don't have anything that I can turn off and I never did on any previous phone
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The first step in improving the battery is to remember that this isn't any other phone. You may want to explore what options are available and what all you have enabled. By default, almost everything is on to show off all the cool new features that make this a Flip 3, not a OnePlus Nord.
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How old is your device? You got to give it some time to settle. I had 15% battery drain the first night, after that it went down to 5%.
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Got it 4 days ago
twistedumbrella said:
The first step in improving the battery is to remember that this isn't any other phone. You may want to explore what options are available and what all you have enabled. By default, almost everything is on to show off all the cool new features that make this a Flip 3, not a OnePlus Nord.
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Which Flip features are in use during standby though? During standby it's just another phone
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Which Flip features are in use during standby though? During standby it's just another phone
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Not true. Samsung has a bunch of features still in use.
Settings -> Advanced features -> Motions and gestures has a whole collection of things that are still running when the screen is off (and most aren't useful to the Flip, but came from "another phone").
Settings -> Cover screen allows you to disable turning on the screen when notifications arrive, if that is not something you need.
Also, unless you are using the app to lower the refresh rate, you may be running a bit high when idle.
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Settings -> Advanced features -> Motions and gestures has a whole collection of things that are still running when the screen is off (and most aren't useful to the Flip, but came from "another phone").
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I've turned a few things off there, but a lot of them OnePlus has too + a few more, which I had all enabled
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Settings -> Cover screen allows you to disable turning on the screen when notifications arrive, if that is not something you need.
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I didn't really get any notification during last night, so I doubt this was the culprit
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Also, unless you are using the app to lower the refresh rate, you may be running a bit high when idle.
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Yes I'm using that app and have it set to 48-96Hz
Appreciate the help, I believe there must be something that's unintentionally draining and while I went through every single setting in the beginning, I'm still very new to OneUI (and also impressed how far it came from the TouchWiz ****show)
One thing I always forget is that a lot of those features are running services and polling when they're enabled. Even though I'm not touching the screen with the tap to wake enabled, it's constantly waiting for that tap when it's asleep. Any one isn't a big impact, but Samsung has so many "convenience" features that I end up wasting battery to never use.
The calibration period is also horrible. Android 11 is slow to calibrate the battery and Samsung is worse. You can get a good idea of what is draining battery by going to Settings -> Battery and device care -> Battery. That may help find out if it's a renegade app.
One thing Asus does that I wish Samsung would embrace is Auto-start management. Some apps aren't efficient at polling for notifications and more than once have been the cause of major drain.
Another one even Samsung admits to be a source of drain is the edge panels. If you don't use them, it's best to kill the entire feature.
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Even though I'm not touching the screen with the tap to wake enabled, it's constantly waiting for that tap when it's asleep. Any one isn't a big impact, but Samsung has so many "convenience" features that I end up wasting battery to never use.
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I just assumed it's not a big impact as OnePlus has those as well, for example draw a "V" on screen for flashlight or ">" to skip song besides the regular double tap to wake and it never appeared to be a battery issue for me before.
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You can get a good idea of what is draining battery by going to Settings -> Battery and device care -> Battery. That may help find out if it's a renegade app.
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Do I assume correctly that some system apps or similar are hidden there? I just did the calculations and the percentages only make up 43.6%. I attached a screenshot
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I just assumed it's not a big impact as OnePlus has those as well, for example draw a "V" on screen for flashlight or ">" to skip song besides the regular double tap to wake and it never appeared to be a battery issue for me before.
Do I assume correctly that some system apps or similar are hidden there? I just did the calculations and the percentages only make up 43.6%. I attached a screenshot
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OnePlus also optimizes them better than brand new Samsung firmware. I had a lot of stuff enabled on the Note 20 Ultra that I won't be using for a month or two now.
Some apps are excluded, but it will let you know if it's something not included with the phone.
Another good idea is to uninstall, disable, or "adb uninstall" any bloat you don't use. Besides clearing up space in the app drawer, it kills off services you don't use. A lot of the apps will run services even before you sign in, even though they aren't actually handling any data.
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Another good idea is to uninstall, disable, or "adb uninstall" any bloat you don't use. Besides clearing up space in the app drawer, it kills off services you don't use. A lot of the apps will run services even before you sign in, even though they aren't actually handling any data.
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I already went through the list and uninstalled which I 100% knew what it was and that it's not needed, but not sure about 99% of Samsung stuff. Some Samsung apps on the phone I don't even know what they are and when I start them it just prompts to agree to some terms before starting the app... I'll have a look around for a Samsung debloat list
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I already went through the list and uninstalled which I 100% knew what it was and that it's not needed, but not sure about 99% of Samsung stuff. Some Samsung apps on the phone I don't even know what they are and when I start them it just prompts to agree to some terms before starting the app... I'll have a look around for a Samsung debloat list
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If you have the unlocked version, they allowed uninstall for a lot of apps that were previously locked. A lot can also be downloaded later from Google Play or the Galaxy Store if you change your mind.
I use Firefox, so I uninstall Samsung Internet and Chrome. Members and Health are two big ones that like to run those "please enable us" services. It's a lot of deciding what you might use versus what you can live without.
Another good idea is to add anything you won't use, but didn't remove to deep sleeping apps to kill it's ability to run in the background. It's the closest thing to auto start management without rooting.
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Another good idea is to add anything you won't use, but didn't remove to deep sleeping apps to kill it's ability to run in the background. It's the closest thing to auto start management without rooting.
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Yeah I do have 57 apps there already
I just removed 85 apps/services via adb, let's see how it is tonight and I'll report back tomorrow
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Yeah I do have 57 apps there already
I just removed 85 apps/services via adb, let's see how it is tonight and I'll report back tomorrow
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Thank you for taking the time, mine is also going down %30 overnight. would love to hear about your result.
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Thank you for taking the time, mine is also going down %30 overnight. would love to hear about your result.
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So far I don't have much hope sadly. Whole day currently at home and not using the phone much and it's looking like in the screenshot (screen off, loosing almost 2.7% per hour, as comparison my OnePlus is at 0.9% per hour)
https://imgur.com/RLITZwQ
It's 21:21 at the moment and I'm at 54% after 9h 42m (comparison OnePlus with 815mAh more: 7% after 79h with 2h54m SOT)
https://imgur.com/M9zO2hV
I'll probably head to bed in a few hours and then report back tomorrow morning how much I lost during the night..
I'm not claiming to have amazing battery life, since I almost considered keeping my trade-in and returning this one over it. I am interested why it is so bad for others, though.
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I'm not claiming to have amazing battery life, since I almost considered keeping my trade-in and returning this one over it. I am interested why it is so bad for others, though.
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HOLY **** I would love to have this battery life. I'm literally not doing anything with the phone and just loosing so much. I'm pretty much the opposite of a power user, so my phone is in standby most of the time and loosing so much is pretty frustrating.
EDIT: I might have an idea why it's so bad for me, I don't really have reception in my apartment (as you can see on my screenshots), so I assume it's constantly trying to get better receptions, I see 2 bars sometimes, but most of the time 0. I'll keep my phone at the window where I have reception for the rest of the day and see if it makes a difference. (Although the OnePlus has also bad reception, but does have a different carriers SIM card)
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Yeah I do have 57 apps there already
I just removed 85 apps/services via adb, let's see how it is tonight and I'll report back tomorrow
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Dependencies, dependencies, dependencies... some of those apks just sit there unless needed.
Do not disable apks/services unless you know what they do and what, if any, their dependencies are. Go too far and you'll end up in a boot loop.
What works for others probably isn't ideal for you.
Package Disabler is a better option as you easily toggle apks on/off as needed.
Screen off the serial offenders tend to be Google backup Transport, Framework and any cloud apps.
Try disabling Google play Services at night and see if that helps. You may need to disable Find my Device first as System Administrator if disable is greyed out.
Disabling play services also kills Gmaps and Playstore which are know hogs. Gmail as well to a lesser extent.
Google Firebase, do you need it? If not disable.
Carrier, Google, Samsung and app feedback, disable.
Using power management can cause erratic behavior and not solve the problem. Treat each power hog on a case by case basis instead. It takes a lot longer but yields a cleaner, more stable setup.
Play with it, go through -all- the settings. It's actually quit fun to explore and almost impossible to crash and burn.
Try this trick to stop ads globally: